Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I'd not do that with anything that you don't want to shift.  The pole will 
shrink and swell.  Eventually the clamps will move.
marlon

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] old utility poles


> Depending on what the equipment is hose clamps work well too (just get 
> some
> monster ones to go around the pole)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
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> We have a few pole mounted systems.
>
> Have a good electrical contractor install them and they'll know how to set
> the poles.
>
> As for mounting, I usually use sat dish mounts.
>
> laters,
> marlon
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>> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
>> electric company has agreed to let us have the old extracted poles for
>> $0.20/ft.  any suggestions for installing poles and mounting equipment
>> onto them? Lengths are 30-40ft
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Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[3-dB Networks]

Depending on what the equipment is hose clamps work well too (just get some
monster ones to go around the pole)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

We have a few pole mounted systems.

Have a good electrical contractor install them and they'll know how to set 
the poles.

As for mounting, I usually use sat dish mounts.

laters,
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] old utility poles


> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
> electric company has agreed to let us have the old extracted poles for
> $0.20/ft.  any suggestions for installing poles and mounting equipment
> onto them? Lengths are 30-40ft
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Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Climb?  I bought a bucket truck so that I'd never have to do that again. 
(ex linesman here)
marlon

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> We use them at times.  That is a pretty good price if they are in good
> enough shape to climb.
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>> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
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>> onto them? Lengths are 30-40ft
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Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We have a few pole mounted systems.

Have a good electrical contractor install them and they'll know how to set 
the poles.

As for mounting, I usually use sat dish mounts.

laters,
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: [WISPA] old utility poles


> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
> electric company has agreed to let us have the old extracted poles for
> $0.20/ft.  any suggestions for installing poles and mounting equipment
> onto them? Lengths are 30-40ft
>
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>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Same for us.
marlon

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  From: Travis Johnson 
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  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's


  We only make 1 visit, and that's with the installer ready to install. When 
the customer calls, we take their order and we "assume" we can get a signal. 
The installer goes on location under the impression he will install when he 
arrives. He does a signal check, and once we have a good signal he installs. If 
he can't get a signal, we call it a NOGO and he goes to his next scheduled 
install.

  We stopped doing signal checks and site surveys about 7 years ago. It was the 
best decision we ever made. :)

  Travis
  Microserv

  Brian Webster wrote: 
On average how many visits do you make to a client before the install is
complete?



Thank You,
Brian Webster

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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:30 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] NOGO's


Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
(that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
had more time to find more tower locations... :(

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
  We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
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  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says
you may not be able to get a connection? That seems like a pretty poor idea
to me... we have clients that we had to try 3 or 4 different towers with 2
or 3 different frequencies before we get a good signal. This "tool" may have
disqualified that customer, yet we got them installed.
Plus, how do you know if you want to make their location your next
repeater to service that area if you just tell them no over the phone? ;)
Travis
  Microserv

  Brian Webster wrote:
On the topic of knowing if the lead was qualified and you could offer
service to that lead location (start shameless plug), I know of a company
that can provide you with an inexpensive tool to do a lookup by address
and
  give the answer while still on the phone.. As some of the folks on
this
  list who already use it for their opinion of how well it works and
increases
  productivity and decrease truck rolls to bad installs.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM
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disconnectissueOct7th, 2008


Great post Tom!
As I mentioned earlier, we used to give $20. A study by my marketing
person showed 90% of our new installs were referrals. The interesting
part was when asked, the referrer said they would've provided the
referral whether or not the $20 was offered.
-RickG

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
  1. Anyone have any idea what percentage of customers provide referrals,
with
  a program like "free month for each referral"?

2. Has anyone asked their customers that have not provided referrals, what
would be adequate incentive for them to be willing to?

3. How well do these programs work for residential versus business?

I'm just asking because... Some of our customers have said that the did
not
  refer because
a)  its against their corporate policy to give referrals.
b) afraid their service would slow down because, there would be less
capacity available to themselves afterwords.
c) they did not want to be held accountable for their implied indorsement,
if service for the new referred to company did not work out well.
d) the compensation amounts were not significant enough for them to extend
the effort, or track it..
e) There job was not to be our salesman, that was our job.
f) They already refer, and they'd already do that regardless of getting
any
  payment compensation, so compensation unnecessary. They'd rather us put
that
  money into maintaining/upgrading our network.
g) It was unclear whether the appropriate person would get compensation.
For
  example, if a employee made the referral, they personally would have
very
  little benefit for their employer to save and get a month free.

What I'm most interested in is What would encourage a higher number of
customers to start referring "qualified" leads.

One potential negative I predicted was that referrals woul

Re: [WISPA] OT. Network Question

[Matt Jenkins]

If both are managed switches then an ip conflict could cause a bit of 
congestion, but it should mostly only hurt your ability to access the 
switches.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It was just brought to my attention that I omitted an important piece of my 
> question last night. Let's try it again...
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> If two switches on the same network HAVE THE SAME IP, will it effect network 
> traffc???
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Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Chuck McCown - 3]

Depending on options, they average $300.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?


> What do you charge for BPF's?
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> How tight do you want it?
> I make a very sharp waveguide BPF for 5.8.
> I'll attach the response curve.
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> Subject: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?
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>> Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the
>> 5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any
>> other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the
>> Teletronics and Hyperlinks ones I've already seen?
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>> Michwave Tech.
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Re: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

[Matt Jenkins]

Build a BIG GIANT RF shield between the SM and neighbor. I have had this 
exact issue with a neighbor who was a total jerk. We used a big 4'x8' 
wooden frame covered a few times over with chicken wire. It helped enough.

Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
> Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
> neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
> potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
> anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
> do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
> for us in the 900mhz
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for webcam/security software

[Tracy Tippett]

The incredible variety of IP cameras available on the market makes it tough to 
compare apples to apples.  There are low cost low res solutions, high cost low 
res, low frame rate, high frame rate, big dollars and little dollars indoor and 
outdoor, optimized for wireless, converted cctv, you could even probably find a 
diet - decaffinated version if you search long enough.

The important step to take in choosing video equipment is to understand what 
your customer's expectations are first and then to closely match the system 
capabilities to those expectations with budget following along as needed. With 
Hollywood showing everyday customers the incredible capabilities in movies like 
Eagle Eye and Enemy of the State, don't be surprised if your customer wants 
some pretty unreal capabilities.

Most times when a customer learns what all the bells and whistles will cost it 
gets them started thinking about what they really need vs what they want and 
this allows the budget back into reasonable territory.  Best of luck in your 
search.

Additionally as you are comparing camera types and models WATCH OUT for the 
equipment that does not include the software to run it.  This can be a 
tremendous expense.

If you would like to discuss the subject further I am always available offline

Tracy Tippett
Sales Director - North America
Inscape Data Corporation
The Wireless & IP Video Experts 


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Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:44:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for webcam/security software

I agree...

We stumbled into them looking for a tower monitoring solution.  Had a remote
site where someone was unplugging our equipment... stuff like that to cause
downtime (ended up being our competitor).

Put them head to head with most analog cameras and I think most people would
be impressed... 

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for webcam/security software

We use them this way.  Not as easy to hide as radio cams etc.  But you get a

VERY good picture from them.

We replaced an ADT system with one.  The customer says that the image 
quality is much much better with this new system than it was with the old 
one.
marlon

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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for webcam/security software


> My understanding of this situation was a webcam that the customer needs
> setup as a security camera in effect.
>
> Inscape does make some great cameras (we area reseller if you are
> interested... I promise our Vendor membership is pending!), but it doesn't
> seem like the right fit for this application.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for webcam/security software
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> Inscape data has some nice cameras for this.  They do NOT need a computer 
> to
>
> do it.  They have email ability built in.  Or you could use the recording
> computer at a remote location.
>
> Touch base with EC/Hutton to get the cam.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:12 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for webcam/security software
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>> I'm looking for software that records video and audio from a windows
>> computer (client uses a cam attached to a computer) whenever motion is
>> detected, and uploads it to a remote server.
>>
>> This is, of course, part of an investigation or evidence collection (not
>> sure which) dealing with divorce/children/domestic violence.
>>
>> Thus, the need for the software to automatically upload to a remote
>> location
>> to prevent its being found and deleted by the party under investigation.
>>
>> If you know of something, I need some help ASAP with this.
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Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes. Many of the default 5.x filters do not have enough db filtering.

We got some 5.3Ghz cavity filters designed/made for us by DCI that worked 
really great, about 35-30 db rejection. They were about $300ish.
I bet they could make you a model that extended the full 5.x band.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?


> Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the
> 5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any
> other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the
> Teletronics and Hyperlinks ones I've already seen?
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[WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue

[Steve Barnes]

2nd Send

How is the MT/Tranzeo Beta Firmware working?  I have issues when the
disconnect happens the AP shows horrible signals from the Tranzeo's
(-105 to -113) but if you start a ping to that radio it drops back to
-69.  Is this resolved as well?  If I reboot the AP all the signals are
fine. I am still on the old FW.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Cc: Tranzeo Support
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect
issueOct 7th, 2008

Since Damian has made this public, I guess I can talk about this  
testing

I have been using their beta software for over 2 weeks now and I have  
uptimes that long as well.

I will not disagree with Damian regarding the mtik patch. :)

This **IS** an Mtik issue and affects more than just Tranzeo devices.

ryan


On Oct 7, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Damian Wallace wrote:

>
>
> MT has made several betas available for testing.  The results are
> promising, but we aren't running real clients on the MT.
>
> We also have an extremely hacky way of dealing with this issue.  We  
> have
> an alpha available for this on a Non-Supported basis.  When this  
> feature
> is turned on, you have to reboot the AP when management changes like
> channel are made.
>
> You can get a copy of the alpha by emailing support.  They will send  
> you
> a copy of the firmware and a warning that this breaks a lot of ways AP
> send management frames, and that we don't support it.  We think you  
> are
> better off to use the Microtik patch since it should solve the problem
> for all units, not just Tranzeos.
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update-Tranzeo/Mtik disconnectissueOct7th, 2008

[Tom DeReggi]

Chuck,

Yes, and we are jealous :-)

We did a great job on getting real estate. We are one top of 50% of the top 
25 tallest structures in our area.
But in our market/topology, that is no where near good enough to serve 
"everyone".
But then again, its not really necessary to serve "everybody".

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update-Tranzeo/Mtik 
disconnectissueOct7th,2008


> Nope.  When you have about 65 APs up on high ground looking down into your
> service territory and totally surrounding it, you can serve everyone.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update-Tranzeo/Mtik
> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>
>
>> Now Chuck, I have to believe you do a little bit more than assume knowing
>> how much you already know about RF ... :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update -Tranzeo/Mtik
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>> We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Travis Johnson
>>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
>>  Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>>  So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says
>> you
>> may not be able to get a connection? That seems like a pretty poor idea 
>> to
>> me... we have clients that we had to try 3 or 4 different towers with 2 
>> or
>> 3
>> different frequencies before we get a good signal. This "tool" may have
>> disqualified that customer, yet we got them installed.
>>
>>  Plus, how do you know if you want to make their location your next
>> repeater to service that area if you just tell them no over the phone? ;)
>>
>>  Travis
>>  Microserv
>>
>>  Brian Webster wrote:
>> On the topic of knowing if the lead was qualified and you could offer
>> service to that lead location (start shameless plug), I know of a company
>> that can provide you with an inexpensive tool to do a lookup by address
>> and
>> give the answer while still on the phone.. As some of the folks on
>> this
>> list who already use it for their opinion of how well it works and
>> increases
>> productivity and decrease truck rolls to bad installs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>> Great post Tom!
>> As I mentioned earlier, we used to give $20. A study by my marketing
>> person showed 90% of our new installs were referrals. The interesting
>> part was when asked, the referrer said they would've provided the
>> referral whether or not the $20 was offered.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>  1. Anyone have any idea what percentage of customers provide referrals,
>>with
>>  a program like "free month for each referral"?
>>
>> 2. Has anyone asked their customers that have not provided referrals, 
>> what
>> would be adequate incentive for them to be willing to?
>>
>> 3. How well do these programs work for residential versus business?
>>
>> I'm just asking because... Some of our customers have said that the did
>>not
>>  refer because
>> a)  its against their corporate policy to give referrals.
>> b) afraid their service would slow down because, there would be less
>> capacity available to themselves afterwords.
>> c) they did not want to be held accountable for their implied 
>> indorsement,
>> if service for the new referred to company did not work out well.
>> d) the compensation amounts were not significant enough for them to 
>> extend
>> the effort, or track it..
>> e) There job was not to be our salesman, that was our job.
>> f) They already refer, and they'd already do that regardless of getting
>>any
>>  payment compensation, so compensation unnecessary. They'd rather us put
>>that
>>  money into maintaining/upgrading our network.
>> g) It was unclear whether the appropriate person would get compensation.
>>For
>>  example, if a employee made the referral, they personally would have 
>> very
>> little benefit for their employer to save and get a month free.
>>
>> What I'm most 

Re: [WISPA] VoIP Take Rate

[John McDowell]

About 25% for us.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:14 PM, "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For those of you providing voip services over wireless, what would  
> you say
> your take rate of the service is?  That is, your ratio of wireless  
> customers
> to voip customers?
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[Tom DeReggi]

We've had this topic before, from the perspective that, one's chance to 
accurately predict and/or have a successful install heavily relies on their 
market topology, not just processes. Example... a) AP on 2000-ft mountain 
looking down on a flat town versus b) urban environment with tower height 
restrictions and tall buildings and trees blocking LOS.

What I can say is... When we started out, we had a 90% failure rate, and we 
spent the time to manually do pre-mapping studies. Now, we have about a 90% 
success rate, and usually we just do a quick Google map look.  So what 
changed?

1) Almost all leads that come in, come in pre-qualified (in target served 
areas).
2) We have much more towers and relay site infrastructure in place now. (to 
have more chances to get to it)

These were due to changes in our marketing processes, not changes due to our 
technical processes.
And of course also, growth.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: [WISPA] NOGO's


> Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
> (that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
> enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
> a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
> months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
> had more time to find more tower locations... :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
>>   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik 
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>>   So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says 
>> you may not be able to get a connection? That seems like a pretty poor 
>> idea to me... we have clients that we had to try 3 or 4 different towers 
>> with 2 or 3 different frequencies before we get a good signal. This 
>> "tool" may have disqualified that customer, yet we got them installed.
>>
>>   Plus, how do you know if you want to make their location your next 
>> repeater to service that area if you just tell them no over the phone? ;)
>>
>>   Travis
>>   Microserv
>>
>>   Brian Webster wrote:
>> On the topic of knowing if the lead was qualified and you could offer
>> service to that lead location (start shameless plug), I know of a company
>> that can provide you with an inexpensive tool to do a lookup by address 
>> and
>> give the answer while still on the phone.. As some of the folks on 
>> this
>> list who already use it for their opinion of how well it works and 
>> increases
>> productivity and decrease truck rolls to bad installs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>> Great post Tom!
>> As I mentioned earlier, we used to give $20. A study by my marketing
>> person showed 90% of our new installs were referrals. The interesting
>> part was when asked, the referrer said they would've provided the
>> referral whether or not the $20 was offered.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>   1. Anyone have any idea what percentage of customers provide referrals,
>> with
>>   a program like "free month for each referral"?
>>
>> 2. Has anyone asked their customers that have not provided referrals, 
>> what
>> would be adequate incentive for them to be willing to?
>>
>> 3. How well do these programs work for residential versus business?
>>
>> I'm just asking because... Some of our customers have said that the did
>> not
>>   refer because
>> a)  its against their corporate policy to give referrals.
>> b) afraid their service would slow down because, there would be less
>> capacity available to themselves afterwords.
>> c) they did not want to be held accountable for their implied 
>> indorsement,
>> if service for the new referred to company did not work out well.
>> d) the compensation amounts were not significant enough for them to 
>> extend
>> the effort, or track it..
>> e) There job was not to be our salesman, that was our job.
>> f) They already refer, and they'd already do that regardless of getting
>> any
>>   payment compensation, so compensation unnecessary. They'd rather us put
>> that
>>   money into maintaining/upgrading our network.
>> g) It was unclear whether the appropriate person would get compensation.

[WISPA] VoIP Take Rate

[Mark Nash]

For those of you providing voip services over wireless, what would you say 
your take rate of the service is?  That is, your ratio of wireless customers 
to voip customers?

Mark 





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[WISPA] Making coverage maps with free software

[Randy Cosby]

First, you need to learn how to make a coverage map in Radio Mobile.
I won't try to show how to build coverage maps, these guys do a really 
good job:

http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/rf-coverage-plot.html

http://pe1mew.nl/radiomobile/

After you've figured out how to do the map and become familiar with 
radio mobile, do the following:

Create a map with your AP location as the center point.  Make the map 
size as small as you need based on what your realistic distance will be 
with your ap.

Turn the map gray scale (edit, force gray scale)

Then, run either a visual coverage or a (more accurate) single polar 
radio coverage map.  Set the color to solid, not rainbow, no contour line.

File, save picture as...  Save it as a .png file.

Open the file in Paint.net (http://getpaint.net)

Use the magic want (shortcut key "S")

SHIFT-click on your colored coverage area to select it.

Hit CTRL-I to inverse select (select everything BUT the coverage)

Hit DELete.  This will erase everything BUT the coverage area.

Hit F4 to change the opacity.  I usually like something around 120 or 
so.  This makes the image semi-transparent.

Save the file and exit paint.net

Go back to the folder where you saved the .png file.  You will find 
a .kml file with the same name.  Double click that to 
open google earth.

You will now see a semi-transparent coverage map over the top of the 
"earth."

Now, in Google Earth, right click on the file name under "Temporary 
Places."  You may want to save it now to My Places.  After 
right-clicking it, do a "Save place as".  Save the file as a .kmz file.

Post that file on your web server.

Go to Google maps on the web http://maps.google.com/

In the "find" box, type the URL where you saved the .kmz file.  For 
example, http://www.infowest.com/earth/1.kmz

You will now see an overlay in google maps for your area.  You can make 
a simple page for your employees with links to the various maps this 
way.  I like to look at them with the Terrain option turned on.

You can also embed a map on a different web page using the "link" link 
in Google Maps.  See 
http://www.infowest.com/Residential/Wireless/maps/New-harmony-kanaraville/ 
for an example.

There's more you can do with the Google earth plugin ( 
http://code.google.com/apis/earth/ ) for browsers as well, but it's much 
more complex.  Have fun, hope this is a useful starting place.



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Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Jerry Richardson]

What do you charge for BPF's? 


 
 
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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

How tight do you want it?
I make a very sharp waveguide BPF for 5.8.
I'll attach the response curve.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:48 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?


> Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the
> 5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any
> other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the
> Teletronics and Hyperlinks ones I've already seen?
>
> Thanks
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Tech.
>
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Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Chuck McCown]

How tight do you want it?
I make a very sharp waveguide BPF for 5.8.
I'll attach the response curve.
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Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the
5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any
other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the
Teletronics and Hyperlinks ones I've already seen?

Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Randy Cosby]

http://www.anatechelectronics.com/index.php

This is the one I believe.

Randy


Randy Cosby wrote:
> I once found the company that made the Tranzeo filters for their 
> full-duplex units. They had a pretty good selection.  Does anyone have 
> one laying around you can check the labels on?
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> Jon Langeler wrote:
>> Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the 
>> 5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any 
>> other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the 
>> Teletronics and Hyperlinks ones I've already seen?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Tech.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[Mike Hammett]

Anyone have issues with Yagi's and ice buildup vs. a grid dish?


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--
From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:40 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

> The first gen Tranzeos were not so good At all.
>
> The 902 serieis.. Much better. 900 can be voodoo though. I consider it and 
> a 18 db yagi the last chance for desperate customers.
>
> ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Cosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's
>
> I think this number is going to fluctuate a lot depending on a number of
> things.
>
> 1. Frequencies available - we typically only use 5.8 or 2.3 (MMDS).  Not
> good for NLOS installations.  I'm looking into 900 for some areas to get
> around this problem..
>
> 2. Topography.  Big flat areas with mountains surrounding them will be
> easier to hit with high-up towers.  Crazy southwest desert outcroppings,
>  cinder cones, canyons, etc. make it difficult here.
>
> 3. Vegetation - palms vs pine trees
>
> 4. Area covered / density.  Chuck and Travis have HUGE areas.  I'm
> impressed with how much they do cover.
>
> I do agree that "nogo" numbers are something we need to study more
> closely and try to improve upon.  Some great ideas here (google mapping
> nogos, etc.)
>
> Doing coverage maps with Radio Mobile and Google Maps / Earth is not
> really hard.  We use those extensively.  I'll try to write something up
> soon.
>
> Randy
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>> About 35%. You cant get them all. What do you think an acceptable
>> number would be?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
>>> (that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
>>> enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
>>> a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
>>> months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
>>> had more time to find more tower locations... :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
   - Original Message -
   From: Travis Johnson
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik 
 disconnectissueOct7th, 2008


   So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software 
 says you may not be able t
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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[D. Ryan Spott]

The first gen Tranzeos were not so good At all.

The 902 serieis.. Much better. 900 can be voodoo though. I consider it and a 18 
db yagi the last chance for desperate customers.

ryan

-Original Message-
From: Randy Cosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:24 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

I think this number is going to fluctuate a lot depending on a number of 
things.

1. Frequencies available - we typically only use 5.8 or 2.3 (MMDS).  Not 
good for NLOS installations.  I'm looking into 900 for some areas to get 
around this problem..

2. Topography.  Big flat areas with mountains surrounding them will be 
easier to hit with high-up towers.  Crazy southwest desert outcroppings, 
  cinder cones, canyons, etc. make it difficult here.

3. Vegetation - palms vs pine trees

4. Area covered / density.  Chuck and Travis have HUGE areas.  I'm 
impressed with how much they do cover.

I do agree that "nogo" numbers are something we need to study more 
closely and try to improve upon.  Some great ideas here (google mapping 
nogos, etc.)

Doing coverage maps with Radio Mobile and Google Maps / Earth is not 
really hard.  We use those extensively.  I'll try to write something up 
soon.

Randy


RickG wrote:
> About 35%. You cant get them all. What do you think an acceptable
> number would be?
> -RickG
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
>> (that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
>> enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
>> a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
>> months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
>> had more time to find more tower locations... :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>> We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
>>>   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik 
>>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>   So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says 
>>> you may not be able t

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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's / 900hmz

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

In our experience with Trango 900mhz, it does work well in SOME areas. 
The biggest thing is making sure you use horizontal polarity as vertical 
is pretty noisy (even here in Idaho, we have seen -50 noise across the 
entire 900 band in vertical polarity).

The other thing to remember is 900 is not "magic". Yes, it will go 
through some trees, and even "through" slight hills, but it is still a 
very noisy spectrum. We have installed customers on 900 that work great 
for a year, and then all of sudden their connection goes bad. We usually 
end up having to do something different (frequency, tower, etc.) to get 
them working again.

So yes, it does work, and I would rather install a customer on 900 than 
just walk away and say we can't install them... but it does have it's 
challenges that are unique to 900. For example, having a marginal signal 
on a rooftop, and moving up or down 3-4 feet and having an excellent 
signal. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Randy Cosby wrote:
> Speaking of NOGO's and 900mhz... This is new territory for us.  What are 
> you using, how is it working, and where are you using it?  We played 
> with 900mhz years ago with the first generation of Tranzeo equipment and 
> were quite dissapointed.  Not sure if the problems (random disconnects, 
> signals all over the place) were hardware specific or due to noise in 
> the area.  Is it even feasible to use 900 in an area with cell towers 
> nearby?
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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's / 900hmz

[Randy Cosby]

Speaking of NOGO's and 900mhz... This is new territory for us.  What are 
you using, how is it working, and where are you using it?  We played 
with 900mhz years ago with the first generation of Tranzeo equipment and 
were quite dissapointed.  Not sure if the problems (random disconnects, 
signals all over the place) were hardware specific or due to noise in 
the area.  Is it even feasible to use 900 in an area with cell towers 
nearby?

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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[Randy Cosby]

I think this number is going to fluctuate a lot depending on a number of 
things.

1. Frequencies available - we typically only use 5.8 or 2.3 (MMDS).  Not 
good for NLOS installations.  I'm looking into 900 for some areas to get 
around this problem..

2. Topography.  Big flat areas with mountains surrounding them will be 
easier to hit with high-up towers.  Crazy southwest desert outcroppings, 
  cinder cones, canyons, etc. make it difficult here.

3. Vegetation - palms vs pine trees

4. Area covered / density.  Chuck and Travis have HUGE areas.  I'm 
impressed with how much they do cover.

I do agree that "nogo" numbers are something we need to study more 
closely and try to improve upon.  Some great ideas here (google mapping 
nogos, etc.)

Doing coverage maps with Radio Mobile and Google Maps / Earth is not 
really hard.  We use those extensively.  I'll try to write something up 
soon.

Randy


RickG wrote:
> About 35%. You cant get them all. What do you think an acceptable
> number would be?
> -RickG
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
>> (that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
>> enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
>> a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
>> months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
>> had more time to find more tower locations... :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>> We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
>>>   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik 
>>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>   So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says 
>>> you may not be able to get a connection? That seems like a pretty poor idea 
>>> to me... we have clients that we had to try 3 or 4 different towers with 2 
>>> or 3 different frequencies before we get a good signal. This "tool" may 
>>> have disqualified that customer, yet we got them installed.
>>>
>>>   Plus, how do you know if you want to make their location your next 
>>> repeater to service that area if you just tell them no over the phone? ;)
>>>
>>>   Travis
>>>   Microserv
>>>
>>>   Brian Webster wrote:
>>> On the topic of knowing if the lead was qualified and you could offer
>>> service to that lead location (start shameless plug), I know of a company
>>> that can provide you with an inexpensive tool to do a lookup by address and
>>> give the answer while still on the phone.. As some of the folks on this
>>> list who already use it for their opinion of how well it works and increases
>>> productivity and decrease truck rolls to bad installs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>>
>>>
>>> Great post Tom!
>>> As I mentioned earlier, we used to give $20. A study by my marketing
>>> person showed 90% of our new installs were referrals. The interesting
>>> part was when asked, the referrer said they would've provided the
>>> referral whether or not the $20 was offered.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>   1. Anyone have any idea what percentage of customers provide referrals,
>>> with
>>>   a program like "free month for each referral"?
>>>
>>> 2. Has anyone asked their customers that have not provided referrals, what
>>> would be adequate incentive for them to be willing to?
>>>
>>> 3. How well do these programs work for residential versus business?
>>>
>>> I'm just asking because... Some of our customers have said that the did
>>> not
>>>   refer because
>>> a)  its against their corporate policy to give referrals.
>>> b) afraid their service would slow down because, there would be less
>>> capacity available to themselves afterwords.
>>> c) they did not want to be held accountable for their implied indorsement,
>>> if service for the new referred to company did not work out well.
>>> d) the compensation amounts were not significant enough for them to extend
>>> the effort, or track it..
>>> e) There job was not to be our salesman, that was our job.
>>> f) They already refer, and they'd already do that regardless of getting
>>> any
>>>   payment compensation, so compensation unnecessary. They'd rather us put
>>> that
>>>   money into maintaining/upgrading our network.
>>> g) It was unclear whether the appropriate person would get

Re: [WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Randy Cosby]

I once found the company that made the Tranzeo filters for their 
full-duplex units. They had a pretty good selection.  Does anyone have 
one laying around you can check the labels on?

Randy


Jon Langeler wrote:
> Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the 
> 5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any 
> other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the 
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Re: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

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and in the future (God willing) TV White Space...

Chuck McCown wrote:
> 2.4, 5.2, 5.4 and 5.8GHz
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>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:59 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors
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>   
>> Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
>> neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
>> potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
>> anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
>> do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
>> for us in the 900mhz
>>
>>
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[WISPA] 5.5Ghz highpass/lowpass filters?

[Jon Langeler]

Anyone have any recommendations on highpass/lowpass RF filters in the 
5500Mhz range (basically to allow for either 5.3GHz or 5.8GHz)? Or any 
other 5GHz filter recommendations for that matter besides the 
Teletronics and Hyperlinks ones I've already seen?

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Re: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

[Blake Bowers]

Sometimes it should fall on the customer to fix
the interference.

My sons house, the wireless is lost whenever he
turns on the microwave.

Hi Tech solution?  Don't use the microwave while
on the net.

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> We don't have a ton of interference that we can tell is coming from
> neighbors vs something else. However, if we don't get a good signal at a
> potential customer then we don't install there. I don't think there is
> much you can do about interference except to change your own network.
> However, I would be interested in hearing from others on this topic. I
> believe we have some interference from the new police cameras around our
> neighborhood, but haven't been able to find the right person to talk with.
>
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> Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
>> Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
>> neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
>> potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
>> anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
>> do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
>> for us in the 900mhz
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[3-dB Networks]

They are much easier to work on with a bucket truck...

I've worked on a few, they work pretty good as long as you don't need to
mount any gear that will have a lot of wind load

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We use them at times.  That is a pretty good price if they are in good 
enough shape to climb.

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> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
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Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[Patrick Nix Jr.]

Don't know about climbing, we have a bucket truck though, they seem to
be in decent shape

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We use them at times.  That is a pretty good price if they are in good 
enough shape to climb.

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> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
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Re: [WISPA] old utility poles

[Chuck McCown]

We use them at times.  That is a pretty good price if they are in good 
enough shape to climb.

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> Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
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Re: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

[chris cooper]

If the noise is from a consumer electronic device, you could offer to
buy them a non-interfering replacement. This has always worked for us.
Most people are decent and want to help out a neighbor.

Chris Cooper
Intelliwave

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Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
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Re: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

[Chuck McCown]

2.4, 5.2, 5.4 and 5.8GHz

(sorry, feeling like a smarta** today)

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Subject: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors


> Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
> neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
> potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
> anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
> do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
> for us in the 900mhz
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[WISPA] old utility poles

[Patrick Nix Jr.]

Anyone using old utility poles for aerial real estate?  Our local
electric company has agreed to let us have the old extracted poles for
$0.20/ft.  any suggestions for installing poles and mounting equipment
onto them? Lengths are 30-40ft

 

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Re: [WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

[Martha Huizenga]

We don't have a ton of interference that we can tell is coming from 
neighbors vs something else. However, if we don't get a good signal at a 
potential customer then we don't install there. I don't think there is 
much you can do about interference except to change your own network. 
However, I would be interested in hearing from others on this topic. I 
believe we have some interference from the new police cameras around our 
neighborhood, but haven't been able to find the right person to talk with.

Martha

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Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
> Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
> neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
> potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
> anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
> do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
> for us in the 900mhz
>
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[WISPA] Interference at the neighbors

[Patrick Nix Jr.]

Just curious, how are you dealing with interference that comes from the
neighbor of an existing or potential customer, i.e. you survey a
potential's house and see noise level -58 on 900su (rssi being -76)
anyway the noise seems to be coming from a neighbor (non-customer) how
do you approach the situation?  This seems to be an increasing problem
for us in the 900mhz

 

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Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[Chuck McCown - 3]

Note the operative words "visits" & "before" in the question...

The install truck roll is the only truck roll.

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's


> Wow, no truck roll installs.  That is a dream I would like to make into a
> reality :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's
>
> Zero
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's
>
>
>> On average how many visits do you make to a client before the install is
>> complete?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] NOGO's
>>
>>
>> Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
>> (that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
>> enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
>> a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
>> months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
>> had more time to find more tower locations... :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>> We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
>>>   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>   So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says
>> you may not be able to get a connection? That seems like a pretty poor
>> idea
>> to me... we have clients that we had to try 3 or 4 different towers with 
>> 2
>> or 3 different frequencies before we get a good signal. This "tool" may
>> have
>> disqualified that customer, yet we got them installed.
>>>
>>>   Plus, how do you know if you want to make their location your next
>> repeater to service that area if you just tell them no over the phone? ;)
>>>
>>>   Travis
>>>   Microserv
>>>
>>>   Brian Webster wrote:
>>> On the topic of knowing if the lead was qualified and you could offer
>>> service to that lead location (start shameless plug), I know of a 
>>> company
>>> that can provide you with an inexpensive tool to do a lookup by address
>> and
>>> give the answer while still on the phone.. As some of the folks on
>> this
>>> list who already use it for their opinion of how well it works and
>> increases
>>> productivity and decrease truck rolls to bad installs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>>
>>>
>>> Great post Tom!
>>> As I mentioned earlier, we used to give $20. A study by my marketing
>>> person showed 90% of our new installs were referrals. The interesting
>>> part was when asked, the referrer said they would've provided the
>>> referral whether or not the $20 was offered.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom DeReggi 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>   1. Anyone have any idea what percentage of customers provide 
>>> referrals,
>>> with
>>>   a program like "free month for each referral"?
>>>
>>> 2. Has anyone asked their customers that have not provided referrals,
>>> what
>>> would be adequate incentive for them to be willing to?
>>>
>>> 3. How well do these programs work for residential versus business?
>>>
>>> I'm just asking because... Some of our customers have said that the did
>>> not
>>>   refer because
>>> a)  its against their corporate policy to give referrals.
>>> b) afraid their service would slow down because, there would be less
>>> capacity available to themselves afterwords.
>>> c) they did not want to be held accountable for their implied
>>> indorsement,
>>> if service for the new referred to company did not work out well.
>>> d) the compensation amounts were not significant enough for them to
>>> extend
>>> the effort, or track it..
>>> e) There job was not to be our salesman, that was our job.
>>> f) They already refer, and they'd already do that regardless of getting
>>> any
>>>   payment compensation, so compensation unnecessary. They'd rather us 
>>> put
>>> that
>>>   money into maintaining/upgrading our

Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

[Rick Harnish]

Wow, no truck roll installs.  That is a dream I would like to make into a
reality :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's

Zero
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NOGO's


> On average how many visits do you make to a client before the install is
> complete?
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] NOGO's
>
>
> Along a different line... What is everyone's percentage on NOGO's
> (that's what we call people we try to install and can't get a good
> enough signal)? Ours was quite a bit higher than I thought when I looked
> a few days ago... Out of 1,500+ completed installs during the last 12
> months, we had 208 people we couldn't install successfully. If we only
> had more time to find more tower locations... :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> We always assume we will get a signal.  We are rarely wrong.
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
>>   Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:07 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>>   So there are people that don't roll a truck because some software says
> you may not be able to get a connection? That seems like a pretty poor 
> idea
> to me... we have clients that we had to try 3 or 4 different towers with 2
> or 3 different frequencies before we get a good signal. This "tool" may 
> have
> disqualified that customer, yet we got them installed.
>>
>>   Plus, how do you know if you want to make their location your next
> repeater to service that area if you just tell them no over the phone? ;)
>>
>>   Travis
>>   Microserv
>>
>>   Brian Webster wrote:
>> On the topic of knowing if the lead was qualified and you could offer
>> service to that lead location (start shameless plug), I know of a company
>> that can provide you with an inexpensive tool to do a lookup by address
> and
>> give the answer while still on the phone.. As some of the folks on
> this
>> list who already use it for their opinion of how well it works and
> increases
>> productivity and decrease truck rolls to bad installs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:46 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik
>> disconnectissueOct7th, 2008
>>
>>
>> Great post Tom!
>> As I mentioned earlier, we used to give $20. A study by my marketing
>> person showed 90% of our new installs were referrals. The interesting
>> part was when asked, the referrer said they would've provided the
>> referral whether or not the $20 was offered.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>   1. Anyone have any idea what percentage of customers provide referrals,
>> with
>>   a program like "free month for each referral"?
>>
>> 2. Has anyone asked their customers that have not provided referrals, 
>> what
>> would be adequate incentive for them to be willing to?
>>
>> 3. How well do these programs work for residential versus business?
>>
>> I'm just asking because... Some of our customers have said that the did
>> not
>>   refer because
>> a)  its against their corporate policy to give referrals.
>> b) afraid their service would slow down because, there would be less
>> capacity available to themselves afterwords.
>> c) they did not want to be held accountable for their implied 
>> indorsement,
>> if service for the new referred to company did not work out well.
>> d) the compensation amounts were not significant enough for them to 
>> extend
>> the effort, or track it..
>> e) There job was not to be our salesman, that was our job.
>> f) They already refer, and they'd already do that regardless of getting
>> any
>>   payment compensation, so compensation unnecessary. They'd rather us put
>> that
>>   money into maintaining/upgrading our network.
>> g) It was unclear whether the appropriate person would get compensation.
>> For
>>   example, if a employee made the referral, they personally would have
> very
>> little benefit for their employer to save and get a month free.
>>
>> What I'm most interested in is What would encourage a higher number 
>> of
>> customers to start referring "qualified" leads.
>>
>> One potential negative I predicted was that referrals would