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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Mark Nash]

everyone.net


Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> Whats enet web address?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
> The ENET customizable portal is really cool.  You can customize just
> about everything you want about the look & feel of the webmail
> interface.  You can give your customers admin access to their own domain
> as well, while you still control system-wide settings.  We moved 3
> servers into their service over the last few months with over 1000
> accounts, and we are so far happy with it.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Frank Muto" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
>> As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various
> hosted
> services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
>> 2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email
> service
> you can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
>> for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive
> alternative to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We
>> have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a
> customizable
> portal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> President
>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
>> Google Security Services Distributor-
>> Powered by Postini
>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>> 800-246-7740 - Toll Free
>> 630-258-7422 - Direct
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mark Nash" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>>
>>
>> > If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution.
> If
> you
>> > host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched
> it
>> > before we went with Everyone.Net.
>> >
>> > Mark Nash
>> > UnwiredWest
>> > 78 Centennial Loop
>> > Suite E
>> > Eugene, OR 97401
>> > 541-998-
>> > 541-998-5599 fax
>> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>> >
>> >
>> >> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> >> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> >> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an
> out
>> >> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>> >> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than
> it's
>> >> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>> >> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>> >> email addresses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> __
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Voip commercial

[Josh Luthman]

Didn't even think of that - I was thinking he had a Quicktime plugin for his
browser...

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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:25 AM, George Rogato  wrote:

> I thought it was just my machine. WMP wouldn't play it so I had to open
> it in VLC player.
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> > I couldn't get it to play.  Any way to make it an attachment?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "George Rogato" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:41 PM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Voip commercial
> >
> >
> >> The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering.
> >> Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change?
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3
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> >> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Voip commercial

[George Rogato]

I thought it was just my machine. WMP wouldn't play it so I had to open 
it in VLC player.



Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> I couldn't get it to play.  Any way to make it an attachment?
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:41 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Voip commercial
> 
> 
>> The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering.
>> Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change?
>>
>>
>> http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3
>>
>> Thanks
>> George
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Josh Luthman]

Exactly - if one is unconscious on a tower what is to help them if for not
someone on the ground?

If everyone followed just a small list of safety rules we could prevent the
stories like this...

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/tower-climbing-deadly-job/2008-07-09

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  I was taught, many years ago, that you NEVER do aerial work alone.  Never.
>
> I always have someone on the ground.  If to do nothing besides call 911.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
> way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
> ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
> something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
> isn't stuck in a bad situation.
>
> No exceptions.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert  
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
> wife) in working at height.
>
> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
> needed to be safe.
>
> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
> never had to.
>
> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
> equally equipped?
>
> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.
>
>
>
>
> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
> they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
> and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
> clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
> the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
> I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
> the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
> soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
> him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
> jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.
>
>
> Eric Albert
> Application Engineer
> Alvarion Inc.
> |
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
> so often?
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>
> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
> went
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
> cable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk r

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Blair Davis]

I was taught, many years ago, that you NEVER do aerial work alone. 
Never.

I always have someone on the ground.  If to do nothing besides call 911.

Josh Luthman wrote:

  My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
isn't stuck in a bad situation.

No exceptions.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert wrote:

  
  
When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
wife) in working at height.

But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
needed to be safe.

But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
never had to.

So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
equally equipped?

This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.




One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.


Eric Albert
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?



Chuck



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident



Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:


   I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
   reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is


   if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
   supposed to wear a harness.



   I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
get to
   the top.



   Chuck





   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On


   Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower

Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Marlon K. Schafer]

lol

So was Hitler's I think!  grin

It's just too strange for me.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> Google's motto is "Don't be evil" :)
>
> On 1/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
>> Am I the only one left that thinks it's just a bit strange that google 
>> seems
>> to be in a position to know almost everything that there is to know about
>> what happens on the internet?  Even your personal emails now?
>>
>> Google has become far too Orwellian even for me!
>>
>> shudder
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>>
>>
>>> Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.
>>>
>>> HTTP://goinx.com
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
 For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
 someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
 working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
 of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
 Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than 
 it's
 worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
 something like that but of course people don't like to change their
 email addresses.



 Thanks



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>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Voip commercial

[Josh Luthman]

Chuck,

wget http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Chuck McCown - 3  wrote:

> I couldn't get it to play.  Any way to make it an attachment?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:41 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Voip commercial
>
>
> > The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering.
> > Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change?
> >
> >
> > http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3
> >
> > Thanks
> > George
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Josh Luthman]

My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
isn't stuck in a bad situation.

No exceptions.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert wrote:

> When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
> wife) in working at height.
>
> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
> needed to be safe.
>
> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
> never had to.
>
> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
> equally equipped?
>
> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.
>
>
>
>
> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
> they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
> and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
> clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
> the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
> I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
> the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
> soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
> him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
> jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.
>
>
> Eric Albert
> Application Engineer
> Alvarion Inc.
> |
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
> so often?
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>
> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
> went
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
> cable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
>
>I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
> issue
>
>
> is
>
>
>if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
> are
>supposed to wear a harness.
>
>
>
>I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
> get to
>the top.
>
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>
>
> On
>
>
>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>To: WISPA Genera

Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Gino Villarini]

Whats enet web address? 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

The ENET customizable portal is really cool.  You can customize just
about everything you want about the look & feel of the webmail
interface.  You can give your customers admin access to their own domain
as well, while you still control system-wide settings.  We moved 3
servers into their service over the last few months with over 1000
accounts, and we are so far happy with it.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Frank Muto" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various
hosted
services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
> 2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email
service
you can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
> for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive
alternative to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We
> have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a
customizable
portal.
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> President
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
> Google Security Services Distributor-
> Powered by Postini
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
> 800-246-7740 - Toll Free
> 630-258-7422 - Direct
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Nash" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
> > If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution.
If
you
> > host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched
it
> > before we went with Everyone.Net.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
> >
> >
> >> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> >> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> >> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an
out
> >> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> >> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than
it's
> >> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> >> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> >> email addresses.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera

[Tom Sharples]

Hi George,

They also have the M22 models which are around $800. Still quite a bit, but 
the capabilities of the firmware are mind-boggling. Fantastic image quality, 
internal recording, 3-megapixel sensor, hi-res electronic zoom, 
ultra-efficient compression, analytics, etc. etc. Confusing German GUI tho 
:-) We work with the other brands too, but the Mobotix is my favorite.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "Tom Sharples" ; "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera


> Hi Tom
> I just installed a Mobotix cam.
> Very cool looking piece of equipment. I think the cam was 1,400.00
> All I can say other than great cam, is, I wish I was in the business of 
> selling a wierd plastic shape with some circuitry and a lense for 1,400.00
>
> Anyways we both were happy with it.
>
> George
>
>
>
> Tom Sharples wrote:
>> Mobotix is your best bet.
>>
>> Tom S.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Alan Long" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:19 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera
>>
>>
>>> I am looking for  outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and is
>>> wifi. Any suggestions/recommendations.Thanks..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Director of Network Operations
>>>
>>> Aerowire
>>>
>>> >> rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
>>> Auburn, AL 36830
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> tel:
>>> mobile:
>>>
>>>
>>> >> mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 3342759998
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Voip commercial

[Chuck McCown - 3]

I couldn't get it to play.  Any way to make it an attachment?

- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:41 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Voip commercial


> The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering.
> Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change?
>
>
> http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3
>
> Thanks
> George
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[WISPA] Voip commercial

[George Rogato]

The radio station sent me this new ad for my voip offering.
Can I get some feedback on it, what if anything should change?


http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Radio/sp04221.mp3

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Eric Albert]

When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
wife) in working at height.

But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
needed to be safe. 

But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
never had to.

So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
equally equipped? 

This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident. 




One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.


Eric Albert
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?

 

Chuck

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote: 

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
 
Brian
 
Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is
  

if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
supposed to wear a harness.  
 
 
 
I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
get to
the top.
 
 
 
Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On
  

Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
 
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
around


them.
  

Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
 
Brian
 
Chuck McCown wrote: 
 
I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the


thought).
  

- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"  
   
To: "'

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Bob Moldashel]

In the eye of the government the fall arrest cable system "must meet the 
design requirement of the ladder it serves".  S...  You can't really 
just throw up a cable system on a ladder and use it. It needs to be 
"designed" so it will meet all the fall requirements, anchor standards, 
etc, etc.

The real issue you have here is "What If.." someone else uses the system 
"you" installed and they get injured or die. Liability will fall 100% 
back on whoever installed, designed and made the equipment.  Companies 
like DBI/Sala, Klein, Elk River, etc have warnings on their web sites 
and inside every ladder cable system they ship. So the first thing they 
will do is throw you to the wolves (aka lawyers) by saying it was not 
the correct application and the system was not designed for the function 
it was performing and installed for. Now if you get an engineer to sign 
off on it and tell you what will work and how to install it, you will 
greatly differ your liability. If you have grain towers in your back 
yard you may find a structural engineer to design a blanket system for 
you and draw it up and stamp it for very little money. Here in NY they 
get "phone numbers" (big money) for every individual site.

You may be hard pressed to find rated anchorage points on a silo to 
begin with. Not saying it is impossible but most of the ones I have seen 
are aluminum foil thin and welded out of basic angle iron. The standard 
anchorage point requires a 5,000 lb rating in the event of a fall. This 
could be modified by using a fall lanyard that is only 2.5-3 feet upon 
falling which would greatly reduce the fall shock limits. A ladder cable 
system may not require a 5,000 lb anchor system. It may only require a 
1500 lb anchor system. The problem is no one (that I have seen anyhow) 
has stated what is required for a ladder system. A ladder cable system 
does not allow you to fall "up to 6 feet" as some lanyard do. With a 
proper chest D ring harness and rated cable grab the most you should 
fall is 2'.

If you will be climbing the same site multiple times say over a week or 
two you could temporarily install a 5/8" or 3/4" rope grab system with 
the correct rope. This would be an acceptable alternative but cannot be 
left in place for an extended period of time (months/years).

One more thing to point out to everyone. There are 3/8" cable and 5/16" 
cable grabs for ladder cable systems. Make sure you are using the grab 
that is rated for the system that is installed. Use a 3/8" grab on 5/16" 
cable will grab with some models and will slip with others.  Same with 
rope grabs.  They come 1/2", 9/16, 5/8" and 3/4".  Use the wrong rope 
grab on the wrong rope and you will be in for a ride.

Good luck and be careful.

-B-






Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>   
>> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
>> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
>> supposed to wear a harness.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
>> the top.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>  
>>
>> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
>> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>>
>> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
>> was 
>> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "3-dB Networks"   
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>  
>>   
>>
>>  And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
>> this safety
>>  gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>   
>>  Daniel White
>>  3-dB Networks
>>  http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>   
>>   
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>  Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>   
>>  Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
>> our hooks
>>  and hands.  Once you got up

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[George Rogato]

I won't let anyone that works for me free climb. I ain't gonna have to 
telll someones family "sorry your loved one fell from 50' and died".




Chuck McCown wrote:
> When free climbing, you are very careful.  Perhaps more careful than with 
> multiple lanyards.
> I can remember placing each hand in a slow deliberate manner.  Did not want 
> to be surprised by a sharp metal burr or stinging insect on whatever I was 
> grabbing.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cameron Kilton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> 
>> When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
>> away.
>>
>> Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
>> about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
>> use.
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
>> was
>> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "3-dB Networks" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this
>> safety
>>> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
>> hooks
>>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>>> around
>>>
>>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
>> Enough
>>> to
>>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole
>> one
>>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug
>> a
>>> pole
>>>
>>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
>> was
>>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
>> was
>>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
>> if
>>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "George Rogato" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>>
 When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
 Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that
>> you
 are then not tied off at all?


 3-dB Networks wrote:
> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I
>> am in
> a
> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
>> places
> just
> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
>> this
> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>
> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> wrote:
>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
>> was
>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
>> they
>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
>> from
>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
>> got
>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
>> feel
>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line
>> Training
>> /*
>>
>>
>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Very sad indeed.
>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents whe

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Josh Luthman]

What cards are you using?  Compex and ubnt has been good to me.

On 1/6/09, Brian Rohrbacher  wrote:
> MT, but it's all fixed now.  Within the last your I have all new APs and
> PtP 5.8 backhauls.  It had been a mixture of crap for the 3 yrs
> previous.  We also had a crazy problem with the cheap wiligear cards I
> tried to use for the backhauls.  They made the radios reboot at crazy
> times.  Some would reboot continuously for hours, and others once a
> month, and every combo in between.  For a while about a couple months I
> was swapping 433's and the problem seemed to go away, but then it came
> back.  I finally stumbled on the fact that every time the card
> associated, it would cause a reboot.  Swapped out for cm9, sr5, and xr5
> and have not had a problem since.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
>> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
>> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
>> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
>> so often?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
>> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
>> went
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
>> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
>> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
>> cable.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
>> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
>> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
>> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
>> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>>  reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
>> issue
>>  
>>
>> is
>>
>>
>>  if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
>> are
>>  supposed to wear a harness.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
>> get to
>>  the top.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  Chuck
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>  
>>
>> On
>>
>>
>>  Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
>> around
>>  
>>
>> them.
>>
>>
>>  Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>>  
>>  Brian
>>  
>>  Chuck McCown wrote:
>>  
>>  I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
>> them it
>>  was
>>  the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the
>>  
>>
>> thought).
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: "3-dB Networks"  
>>  
>>  To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> 
>>   
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
>>  this safety
>>gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>  
>>Daniel White
>>3-dB Networks
>>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>  
>>  
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other
>> than
>>  our hooks
>>and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one
>> single
>>  belt
>>around
>>  
>>the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30
>> feet.
>>  Enough
>>to
>>hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" o

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Brian Rohrbacher]

MT, but it's all fixed now.  Within the last your I have all new APs and 
PtP 5.8 backhauls.  It had been a mixture of crap for the 3 yrs 
previous.  We also had a crazy problem with the cheap wiligear cards I 
tried to use for the backhauls.  They made the radios reboot at crazy 
times.  Some would reboot continuously for hours, and others once a 
month, and every combo in between.  For a while about a couple months I 
was swapping 433's and the problem seemed to go away, but then it came 
back.  I finally stumbled on the fact that every time the card 
associated, it would cause a reboot.  Swapped out for cm9, sr5, and xr5 
and have not had a problem since.

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
> so often?
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
> went
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote: 
>
> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
> cable.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>  
> Brian
>  
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>   
>
>   I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>   reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
> issue
>   
>
> is
>   
>
>   if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
> are
>   supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>
>
>   I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
> get to
>   the top.
>
>
>
>   Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>   
>
> On
>   
>
>   Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>
>   What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
> around
>   
>
> them.
>   
>
>   Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
>   Brian
>
>   Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
>   I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
> them it
>   was 
>   the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the
>   
>
> thought).
>   
>
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "3-dB Networks"  
>    
>   To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  
>      
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
> 
>
> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
>   this safety
> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>  
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other
> than
>   our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one
> single
>   belt 
> around
>  
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30
> feet.
>   Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
>   pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck Hogg]

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?

 

Chuck

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote: 

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
 
Brian
 
Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is
  

if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
supposed to wear a harness.  
 
 
 
I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
get to
the top.
 
 
 
Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On
  

Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
 
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
around


them.
  

Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
 
Brian
 
Chuck McCown wrote: 
 
I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the


thought).
  

- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"  
   
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
 
   
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  
 
  And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
  gear is still relatively new isn't it
   
  Daniel White
  3-dB Networks
  http://www.3dbnetworks.com
   
   
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
   
  Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other
than
our hooks
  and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one
single
belt 
  around
   
  the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30
feet.
Enough 
  to
  hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
  time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
  pole
   
  when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it
happened
was I was
  talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
  the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
  the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
  - Original Message - 
  From: "George Rogato" 
 
   
  To: "WISPA General List" 
 
   
  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
   
   
  
 
 

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Bob Moldashel]

That's correct.  Not required if there is a cage around the ladder. I 
would still use one though





3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
> falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
> technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
> before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).
>
> Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
> there either... but it wouldn't hurt.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"   
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
>  
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
>  
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>   To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
> two places because this
>   first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>
> 

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

I'd still make sure you wear a good pair of gloves, good pair of boots, and
technically you should probably have a hard hat and safety glasses on too.

But technically it sounds like your okay in OSHA's eyes... although my
experience has shown OSHA inspectors are a PITA

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

There is a railing on all the ones that I am on.  But it is good to know 
we are doing as osha would.  That means we are safe.  I have been pretty 
worried about it for the last year since I hired help.  I guess this 
will put me at ease.

Brian

3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
> falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
> technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
> before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the
top).
>
> Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
> there either... but it wouldn't hurt.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"   
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
>  
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
>  
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>  

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:

  I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
  
  
I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue

  
  is
  
  
if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
supposed to wear a harness.  

 

I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
the top.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around

  
  them.
  
  
Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote: 

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the

  
  thought).
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"   
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  

	And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
	gear is still relatively new isn't it
	 
	Daniel White
	3-dB Networks
	http://www.3dbnetworks.com
	 
	 
	-Original Message-
	From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
	Behalf Of Chuck McCown
	Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
	To: WISPA General List
	Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
	 
	Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
our hooks
	and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
belt 
	around
	 
	the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
	to
	hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
	time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
	pole
	 
	when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
was I was
	talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
	the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
	the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
	- Original Message - 
	From: "George Rogato" 
 
	To: "WISPA General List" 
 
	Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
	Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
	 
	 
	

		When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
with?
		Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
move it  that you
		are then not tied off at all?
		 
		 
		3-dB Networks wrote:
		  

			Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
climbing... but when I am in
			a
			position I am going to be working at I tie off
in two different places
			just
			in case... because you never know what might
happen.
			 
			Daniel White
			3-dB Networks
			http://www.3dbnetworks.com
			 
			-Original Message-
			From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
			Behalf Of Josh Luthman
			Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
			To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
			Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
			 
			When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
two places because this
			first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
			 
			On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
  
			wrote:
			

Not to say thats not right.  The whole
point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in
the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor
by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on
it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the
guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and
while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix
instant streaming.
 
--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik
Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
  
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik &
WIS

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Brian Rohrbacher]

There is a railing on all the ones that I am on.  But it is good to know 
we are doing as osha would.  That means we are safe.  I have been pretty 
worried about it for the last year since I hired help.  I guess this 
will put me at ease.

Brian

3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
> falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
> technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
> before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).
>
> Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
> there either... but it wouldn't hurt.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"   
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
>  
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
>  
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>   To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   When climbing how many think "let's tie of

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Blair Davis]

We free climb inside the cage, but tie in on the working platforms.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them.  Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
  
Brian
  
Chuck McCown wrote:
  
I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


  

  And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
around

the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
pole

when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident



  
When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
  

  Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:

  
Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net


*/ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
/*



George Rogato wrote:
  

  Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


Blair Davis wrote:


  
Tower accident...

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html



  
  

  

  
  

  

  

  


  
  

  

  
  

  

  

  

  
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck Hogg]

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue
is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the
thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"   
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
>  
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
>  
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>   To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
> two places because this
>   first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>
>   On 1

Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

Google's motto is "Don't be evil" :)

On 1/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer  wrote:
> Am I the only one left that thinks it's just a bit strange that google seems
> to be in a position to know almost everything that there is to know about
> what happens on the internet?  Even your personal emails now?
>
> Google has become far too Orwellian even for me!
>
> shudder
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
>> Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.
>>
>> HTTP://goinx.com
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
>>> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>>> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>>> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
>>> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>>> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
>>> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>>> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>>> email addresses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>>
>>> csweb.net
>>>
>>> (918) 235-0414
>>>
>>> http://www.csweb.net 
>>>
>>> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in
>>> nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail
>>> and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"   
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
>  
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
>  
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>   To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
> two places because this
>   first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>
>   On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
>   
>   wrote:
>   
>
>   Not to say thats not right.  The whole
> point of the Darwin awards was
>   that the people who died have died in
> the most stupidest way, that they
>   did the entire human population a favor
> by eliminating the

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).

Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
there either... but it wouldn't hurt.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
supposed to wear a harness.  

 

I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
the top.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote: 

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"   
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  

And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
belt 
around
 
the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
pole
 
when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
 
To: "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 


When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?
 
 
3-dB Networks wrote:
  

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off
in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might
happen.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
 
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
  
wrote:


Not to say thats not right.  The whole
point of the Darwin awards was

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck Hogg]

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
supposed to wear a harness.  

 

I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
the top.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote: 

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"   
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  

And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
belt 
around
 
the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
pole
 
when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
 
To: "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 


When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?
 
 
3-dB Networks wrote:
  

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off
in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might
happen.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
 
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
  
wrote:


Not to say thats not right.  The whole
point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in
the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor
by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on
it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the
guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and
while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix
instant streaming.
 
--
  

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Brian Rohrbacher]

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them.  Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote:

  I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


  
  
And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
around

the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
pole

when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident




  When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
  
  
Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:


  Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

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George Rogato wrote:
  
  
Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


Blair Davis wrote:



  Tower accident...

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html



  

  

  




  

  

  


  

  

  




  



  

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Re: [WISPA] Was Tower Accident: In Memoriam

[eje]

When climbing tower you should always have at least 4 points contact with the 
tower at all times. So when moving hands and feet you should have two fall 
arrestors attached to the tower neither of them on he same rung. When moving 
the fall arrestors both feet should be stationary and one hand attached to the 
a different rung then the fall arrestor if possible. Also always use a body 
harness never a linemans belt. A human body is top heavy if you slip and fall 
you risk ending up upside down and if you are knocked unconscious you will risk 
slipping out of a line mans belt. 

Climb safe. 100% tie off. Always have 4 point contact with tower and always 
wear body harness and inspect it, fall arrestors and lanyards for damages and 
fraying. If equipment is start getting frayed throw it away. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: "John McDowell" 

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:32:37 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Was Tower Accident: In Memoriam


Saw this on ComTrain's site. Notice Jonathon Guilford...he was the guy in
the Dateline special from our hometown of Fort Payne. His brother Harold now
works for me. One of these deaths was from 8 feet, by the way...just goes to
show...100% tie off no matter how high.
http://www.comtrainusa.com/news-topmenu-19/1-latest/90-memorial

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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Am I the only one left that thinks it's just a bit strange that google seems 
to be in a position to know almost everything that there is to know about 
what happens on the internet?  Even your personal emails now?

Google has become far too Orwellian even for me!

shudder
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.
>
> HTTP://goinx.com
>
> On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
>> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
>> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
>> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>> email addresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>
>> csweb.net
>>
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>> http://www.csweb.net 
>>
>> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

Exactly.

 

Daniel White

3-dB Networks

http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

I think what he means is he does not tie off to two different angle irons,
stairs, ect while climbing.  
But when positioned does tie off to at least two different parts of the
tower in case a bolt fails or something. (one hook on the ladder, the other
in a tower leg)

George Rogato wrote: 

When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?
 
 
3-dB Networks wrote:
  

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
 
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  
 wrote:


Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
 
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George Rogato wrote:
  

Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.
 
But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
 
 
Blair Davis wrote:
 


Tower accident...
 
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
 
 

 
 
 
 
  





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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I think what he means is he does not tie off to two different angle
irons, stairs, ect while climbing.  
But when positioned does tie off to at least two different parts of the
tower in case a bolt fails or something. (one hook on the ladder, the
other in a tower leg)

George Rogato wrote:

  When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
  
  
Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:


  Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

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George Rogato wrote:
  
  
Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


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  Tower accident...

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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera

[Tom Sharples]

Mobotix is your best bet.

Tom S.

- Original Message - 
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera


>I am looking for  outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and is
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[WISPA] Was Tower Accident: In Memoriam

[John McDowell]

Saw this on ComTrain's site. Notice Jonathon Guilford...he was the guy in
the Dateline special from our hometown of Fort Payne. His brother Harold now
works for me. One of these deaths was from 8 feet, by the way...just goes to
show...100% tie off no matter how high.
http://www.comtrainusa.com/news-topmenu-19/1-latest/90-memorial

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[WISPA] Independent contractor rates etc?

[Martha Huizenga]

Hi all,

Do you pay per job or hourly for installers? Do you mind sharing what 
rates you charge for either?

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor video camera

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

inscape data ? 

Alan Long wrote:
> I am looking for  outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and is
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[WISPA] Outdoor video camera

[Alan Long]

I am looking for  outdoor video cameras, that gets power via poe and is
wifi. Any suggestions/recommendations.Thanks..

 





  

 

 



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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[Eje Gustafsson]

Actually some type of labor can fall into cogs. If we talk about internet
service cogs for an install the labor cost to install this client should be
included. But labor for sales, marketing and support of this customer
shouldn't. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_goods_sold

"COGS is the costs that go into creating the products that a company sells;
therefore, the only costs included in the measure are those that are
directly tied to the production of the products. For example, the COGS for
an automaker would include the material costs for the parts that go into
making the car along with the labor costs used to put the car together. The
cost of sending the cars to dealerships and the cost of the labor used to
sell the car would be excluded."

In the monthly service cogs I would say to include cost of bandwidth, cost
of software licenses, mail server spam filtering and what not. Possibly even
factor in average support phone call and the labor cost for support. If
support was billed separately or depending how you want to "charge" support
it might not be included in cogs. 
It all comes down to what charge account is responsible for what and what
charge account is directly tied to the monthly service fee your collecting.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer
the cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount, poe
injector, cable ties, lags, surge protector, etc.

Labor does not fall under cogs 

Sent from my Windows MobileR phone.

-Original Message-
From: RickG 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:47 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
Sold)?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee 
wrote:
> Matt,
> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>
> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
> tenant level.
>
> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>
> Shiraz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>
> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
> locations?
>
> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>
> -Matt
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
>> the
>> customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
>> of
>> anything different. What are you hearing?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>> We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different
>>> organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you
>>> think the definition of ARPU should be?
>>>
>>> -Matt
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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[Eje Gustafsson]

I would say these discussions are kind of meaning less because these
definitions are different from one accountant to another. But if the
question is rephrased how to "does you guys define your COGS." Because even
if people are WISPs there are so many different approaches to being a WISP
on these list that you would never get a agreed COGS or ARPU for the "wisp"
industry. You have guys here that only target businesses then other guys
that only do residential. Third guy that is doing it on the side and have a
"real" job. Then you have the company with 5k+ customers. Another company
that is doing computer sales/repair and networking work and offers
webhosting and online backups etc etc etc. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_goods_sold
Is the "Wikipedia" definition of COGS. For hardware we sell we include in
COGS shipping costs to get items here and any other import/shipping related
costs plus of course the item. 

For WISP customer I would in COGS include truck roll cost, cost of radio and
other hardware, labor for installation. Possibly factor in cost of AP and
backhaul costs as well internet usage fees but there it gets tricky so would
probably not include that there but charge that to different account. 

 / Eje


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
Sold)?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee 
wrote:
> Matt,
> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>
> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
> tenant level.
>
> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>
> Shiraz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>
> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
> locations?
>
> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>
> -Matt
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
>> the
>> customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
>> of
>> anything different. What are you hearing?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>> We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different
>>> organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you
>>> think the definition of ARPU should be?
>>>
>>> -Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck McCown]

When free climbing, you are very careful.  Perhaps more careful than with 
multiple lanyards.
I can remember placing each hand in a slow deliberate manner.  Did not want 
to be surprised by a sharp metal burr or stinging insect on whatever I was 
grabbing.

- Original Message - 
From: "Cameron Kilton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
> away.
>
> Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
> about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
> use.
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this
> safety
>> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
> hooks
>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>> around
>>
>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough
>> to
>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole
> one
>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug
> a
>> pole
>>
>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
> was
>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
> was
>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
> if
>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that
> you
>>> are then not tied off at all?
>>>
>>>
>>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
 Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I
> am in
 a
 position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
> places
 just
 in case... because you never know what might happen.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
 To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
> this
 first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

 On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
 wrote:
> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
> was
> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
> they
> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
> from
> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
> got
> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
> feel
> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>
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>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Very sad indeed.
>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>
>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>
>>
>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Tower accident...
>>>
>>> http://www.

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Tom DeReggi]

Well, it may not be funny, but it does demonstrate a very important point.
That it is very easy to lose focus, and not be cautious of the obvious.
Its sorta like, "most car accidents happen within a mile of their own house, 
where they are most familiar"

There are reasons, they teach you to never tie off both hooks to the same 
place.
And that was one of them, unfortunteately.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Cameron Kilton]

When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
away. 

Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
use. 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this
safety
> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
> around
>
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole
one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug
a 
> pole
>
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that
you
>> are then not tied off at all?
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I
am in
>>> a
>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
places
>>> just
>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
this
>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> wrote:
 Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
was
 that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
they
 did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
from
 the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
 strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
got
 his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
feel
 over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

 --
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 

 */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line
Training
 /*



 George Rogato wrote:
> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
>>
>>
>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck McCown]

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
> around
>
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
> pole
>
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> are then not tied off at all?
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
>>> a
>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
>>> just
>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> wrote:
 Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
 that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
 did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
 the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
 strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
 his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
 over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

 --
 * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 

 */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
 /*



 George Rogato wrote:
> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
>>
>>
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[WISPA] An Amazing vendor experience -3db Networks

[Tom DeReggi]

Every once in a rare while, an amazing Vendor experience occurs, and when it 
does, I feel its worthy to share it with my peers.
Its not easy earning my business. I shop savy, am well informed, tend to 
overly procastinate, and favor pre-existing relationships.

There were many reason that I was impressed with my transaction. Sure, the 
fact that the rep spent his entire Christmas Eve helping me out on short 
notice, to meet my deadline, was notable.
Or that he went to bat for me to get best competitive price to meet my 
budget (and accomplished it) was a plus.  And consistent timely follow up, 
delivered peice of mind.  But those weren't the BIG reason.  The BIG reason 
was that he "listened". And then he went beyond the call of duty to be 
"creative" to find the solution to the "real" core problem.  Because he took 
the time to understand my position, he was able to focus his energy on how 
to accommodate it, and that made all the difference.  Without sharing exact 
details, in this case, it mostly had to do with needing to meet a critical 
short delivery date, when cash flow would be delayed, but guaranteed, and 
how to facilitate the transaction without delay.  I can tell you one thing 
for sure, and that is that my opportunity will be successful, thanks to 3db 
Networks and Daniel White's efforts.

Please note that I recognize that 3db-Networks did not do it all alone. 
Numerous parties (manufacturers, vendors, and individuals) all contributed 
with prompt assistence to accommodate our project needs and/or offered their 
assistance.  I thank each and every one of them. However, 3db-Networks and 
Daniel White clearly stood out for his "can do" efforts.  At the end of the 
day, he delivered best.

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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

We used the Google Apps service for about a year completely free - no
problems.  We finally purchased it to make us feel worthy of being Google
customers.  Got a few bells and whistles by paying for it, too.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

> We are not using their free service.  I usually don't use free services.  I
> am of the mindset that you get what you pay for.  Sometimes you luck out
> and
> there are success stories, but by and large I steer clear of unpaid
> services.  I feel that you always pay, somehow.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "David E. Smith" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
> > Frank Muto wrote:
> > > As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various
> hosted services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
> > > 2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email
> service you can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
> > > for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive
> alternative to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We
> > > have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a
> customizable portal.
> >
> > A personal project of mine, several years ago, involved a clever domain
> > name and giving away free email addresses. At the time, I picked
> > everyone.net to do this, because in mid-2000 they were just about the
> > only ones doing it.
> >
> > Their Webmail interface was horribly clunky even at the time, and
> > IMAP/POP3 were an extra twenty bucks per user, per year. (And they
> > missed no opportunity to try to bug your end-users about that. For a
> > while, you had to click through the "upgrade now" screen with every
> > login.) The ridiculous number of Flash ads with sound, pop-ups,
> > pop-unders, and at least one alleged attempt to drive-by install spyware
> > on a user's PC in '05 (wasn't my computer, so I can't verify it) drove
> > me batty.
> >
> > Oh, and every time I got close to them owing me money as part of the
> > ad-sharing, the cutoff before they'd send you a check mysteriously went
> > up. They still owe me almost $100 that I expect I'll never see.
> >
> > Keep in mind, though, this was for their free service; maybe the paid
> > email hosting service is better.
> >
> > As with any service, when you can, try before you buy.
> >
> > David Smith
> > MVN.net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Mark Nash]

We are not using their free service.  I usually don't use free services.  I
am of the mindset that you get what you pay for.  Sometimes you luck out and
there are success stories, but by and large I steer clear of unpaid
services.  I feel that you always pay, somehow.

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Suite E
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541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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- Original Message - 
From: "David E. Smith" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> Frank Muto wrote:
> > As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various
hosted services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
> > 2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email
service you can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
> > for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive
alternative to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We
> > have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a
customizable portal.
>
> A personal project of mine, several years ago, involved a clever domain
> name and giving away free email addresses. At the time, I picked
> everyone.net to do this, because in mid-2000 they were just about the
> only ones doing it.
>
> Their Webmail interface was horribly clunky even at the time, and
> IMAP/POP3 were an extra twenty bucks per user, per year. (And they
> missed no opportunity to try to bug your end-users about that. For a
> while, you had to click through the "upgrade now" screen with every
> login.) The ridiculous number of Flash ads with sound, pop-ups,
> pop-unders, and at least one alleged attempt to drive-by install spyware
> on a user's PC in '05 (wasn't my computer, so I can't verify it) drove
> me batty.
>
> Oh, and every time I got close to them owing me money as part of the
> ad-sharing, the cutoff before they'd send you a check mysteriously went
> up. They still owe me almost $100 that I expect I'll never see.
>
> Keep in mind, though, this was for their free service; maybe the paid
> email hosting service is better.
>
> As with any service, when you can, try before you buy.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[David E. Smith]

Frank Muto wrote:
> As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various hosted 
> services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in 
> 2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email service you 
> can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly 
> for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive 
> alternative to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We 
> have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a customizable 
> portal.

A personal project of mine, several years ago, involved a clever domain 
name and giving away free email addresses. At the time, I picked 
everyone.net to do this, because in mid-2000 they were just about the 
only ones doing it.

Their Webmail interface was horribly clunky even at the time, and 
IMAP/POP3 were an extra twenty bucks per user, per year. (And they 
missed no opportunity to try to bug your end-users about that. For a 
while, you had to click through the "upgrade now" screen with every 
login.) The ridiculous number of Flash ads with sound, pop-ups, 
pop-unders, and at least one alleged attempt to drive-by install spyware 
on a user's PC in '05 (wasn't my computer, so I can't verify it) drove 
me batty.

Oh, and every time I got close to them owing me money as part of the 
ad-sharing, the cutoff before they'd send you a check mysteriously went 
up. They still owe me almost $100 that I expect I'll never see.

Keep in mind, though, this was for their free service; maybe the paid 
email hosting service is better.

As with any service, when you can, try before you buy.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[Josh Luthman]

I don't think this can be done well.  For example, if the definition
is going to cover the United States the same service needs to be
available in that area.

In some parts of our network we have 5.8 coverage - nearly 30 megs
available.  These customers can do 2, 4 and 6 meg packages.  The other
areas have 900 - obviously hard to sell a 4 and 6 meg package there.
This is just southwest Ohio, let alone a whole country.

On 1/6/09, RickG  wrote:
> What about the WISP as a whole. Example: What about bandwidth?
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
>> The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer
>> the cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount,
>> poe injector, cable ties, lags, surge protector, etc.
>>
>> Labor does not fall under cogs
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Mobile(R) phone.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: RickG 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:47 AM
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>>
>> I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
>> With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
>> Sold)?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee 
>> wrote:
>>> Matt,
>>> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>>>
>>> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
>>> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
>>> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
>>> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
>>> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
>>> tenant level.
>>>
>>> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
>>> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
>>> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>>>
>>> Shiraz
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>>>
>>> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
>>> locations?
>>>
>>> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
>>> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
 My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
 the
 customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
 of
 anything different. What are you hearing?

 Travis
 Microserv

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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[Jerry Richardson]

Good question. I believe it would also fall under cogs.

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-Original Message-
From: RickG 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

What about the WISP as a whole. Example: What about bandwidth?

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer the 
> cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount, poe 
> injector, cable ties, lags, surge protector, etc.
>
> Labor does not fall under cogs
>
> Sent from my Windows Mobile(R) phone.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RickG 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:47 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>
> I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
> With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
> Sold)?
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee  
> wrote:
>> Matt,
>> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>>
>> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
>> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
>> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
>> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
>> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
>> tenant level.
>>
>> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
>> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
>> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>>
>> Shiraz
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>>
>> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
>> locations?
>>
>> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
>> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
>>> the
>>> customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
>>> of
>>> anything different. What are you hearing?
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Matt Liotta wrote:
 We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different
 organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you
 think the definition of ARPU should be?

 -Matt



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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[RickG]

What about the WISP as a whole. Example: What about bandwidth?

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer the 
> cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount, poe 
> injector, cable ties, lags, surge protector, etc.
>
> Labor does not fall under cogs
>
> Sent from my Windows Mobile(R) phone.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RickG 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:47 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>
> I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
> With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
> Sold)?
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee  
> wrote:
>> Matt,
>> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>>
>> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
>> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
>> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
>> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
>> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
>> tenant level.
>>
>> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
>> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
>> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>>
>> Shiraz
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>>
>> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
>> locations?
>>
>> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
>> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
>>> the
>>> customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
>>> of
>>> anything different. What are you hearing?
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Matt Liotta wrote:
 We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different
 organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you
 think the definition of ARPU should be?

 -Matt



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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[Jerry Richardson]

The cost of tangable items invoiced. For example if you sell the customer the 
cpe, the cost of that is the radio, dish, connectors, cable, mount, poe 
injector, cable ties, lags, surge protector, etc.

Labor does not fall under cogs 

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-Original Message-
From: RickG 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:47 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
Sold)?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee  wrote:
> Matt,
> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>
> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
> tenant level.
>
> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>
> Shiraz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>
> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
> locations?
>
> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>
> -Matt
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
>> the
>> customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
>> of
>> anything different. What are you hearing?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>> We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different
>>> organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you
>>> think the definition of ARPU should be?
>>>
>>> -Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck Bartosch]

I also recommend the ComTrain course. I sent a staff member to it who  
I knew was climbing even when I'd said we'd use a tower company to do  
it. He just didn't like to wait, and yes, he was completely fearless.

He came back a chastened man with truly the fear of god put into  
him. . He *thought* he was climbing safely before that. Best thing I  
ever did was send him to that course because I consider him a friend,  
not just a staff member. I don't want to lose either.

Chuck

On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:27 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> I did a lot of climbing before I bothered to be Comtrain  
> certified... after
> the fact... even though I was using the right gear, I realized that  
> many
> things I was doing were wrong.
>
> I strongly recommend anyone climbing towers should take a tower  
> climbing
> course... Comtrain was great but I'm sure the other pro ones out  
> there are
> pretty good.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than  
>> our hooks
>
>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
> around
>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.   
>> Enough
> to
>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole  
>> one
>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can  
>> hug a
> pole
>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was  
>> I was
>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event,  
>> it was
>
>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and  
>> actually, if
>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
> I can remember seeing guys climb poles, just like you described.
>
> When we first started we knew nothing. A guy who I had wired his house
> had a big picture hanging on his wall. It was him  flying through the
> air hanging off a cable attached to a helicopter.
> He explained thats how they get you out into the middle of no where to
> work on transmition lines.
> Was a pretty cool picture.
>
> Anyways, he offered to climb for us. So eventually when we went to  
> build
> out our first tower we used him. He was retired 60 or so. That guy was
> like a monkey climbing a tree. He used a waste belt and hardly ever  
> tied
> off. The one tower we were on had horizontal members that he would  
> just
> walk as if it was a side walk, no belt no tie off, just a monkey. The
> tower had a ladder and a couple platforms at the top to work from.
> Anyways, he always would complain that he needed someone else to climb
> with him cause it was lonely up on that platform alone.
> So  we had my son's and others go up there with him.
> Nobody ever taught us how to climb or how dangerous it was. Or what
> safety precautions to take.
>
> Until Bob M. (on his blackberry) pointed out when a wisp posted a
> picture of is guy free climbing a 400' with sneakers and no belt.
>
> I shiver at the thoughts of what could have happened. I could have  
> lost
> a son or worker because we were stupid.
>
> And we never used the old guy again, he was dangerous. We talk all the
> time, and he always offers to climb for us, but I just tell him maybe
> next time.
>
> Not sure about others, but I think Bob M's posting have saved a couple
> lives.
>
> Thats why I wanted to querry deeper, so anyone else reading that  
> doesn't
> know any better who is new to the industry understands safety aspect  
> of
> climbing.
>
>
>
> George
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Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?

[RickG]

I hate to hijack this thread but this brings to mind another question:
With respect to WISP's, what is the definition of CGS (Cost of Goods
Sold)?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Shiraz Moosajee  wrote:
> Matt,
> You would generally count just the one "unique" customer.
>
> That said, every ARPU calculation I have seen seems to be slightly
> different which in itself reflects the different definitions of
> customers and revenue.  One example is treatment of MDU (Multiple
> Dwelling Unit) Apartments which is sometimes dealt with as a single
> customer (the apartment owner / HOA) and sometimes at the more granular
> tenant level.
>
> It's probably more important to pick a methodology that's justifiable -
> a good test would be if you send your customer 1 or many invoices / get
> 1 payment? - and apply it consistently.
>
> Shiraz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Liotta
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] what should ARPU mean?
>
> What if one customer signs two different contracts? at two different
> locations?
>
> Is there ever a point where a single customer should for the purposes
> of ARPU be considered at a less granular level?
>
> -Matt
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> My assumption has always been adding up all your gross revenues from
>> the
>> customers and dividing by the number of customers. I had never heard
>> of
>> anything different. What are you hearing?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>> We (the WISP industry) like to talk about ARPU a lot, but different
>>> organizations define ARPU differently. So, my question is what do you
>>> think the definition of ARPU should be?
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

I did a lot of climbing before I bothered to be Comtrain certified... after
the fact... even though I was using the right gear, I realized that many
things I was doing were wrong.

I strongly recommend anyone climbing towers should take a tower climbing
course... Comtrain was great but I'm sure the other pro ones out there are
pretty good.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Chuck McCown wrote:
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks

> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
around 
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
to 
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
pole 
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was

> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   
I can remember seeing guys climb poles, just like you described.

When we first started we knew nothing. A guy who I had wired his house 
had a big picture hanging on his wall. It was him  flying through the 
air hanging off a cable attached to a helicopter.
He explained thats how they get you out into the middle of no where to 
work on transmition lines.
Was a pretty cool picture.

Anyways, he offered to climb for us. So eventually when we went to build 
out our first tower we used him. He was retired 60 or so. That guy was 
like a monkey climbing a tree. He used a waste belt and hardly ever tied 
off. The one tower we were on had horizontal members that he would just 
walk as if it was a side walk, no belt no tie off, just a monkey. The 
tower had a ladder and a couple platforms at the top to work from.
Anyways, he always would complain that he needed someone else to climb 
with him cause it was lonely up on that platform alone.
So  we had my son's and others go up there with him.
Nobody ever taught us how to climb or how dangerous it was. Or what 
safety precautions to take.

Until Bob M. (on his blackberry) pointed out when a wisp posted a 
picture of is guy free climbing a 400' with sneakers and no belt.

I shiver at the thoughts of what could have happened. I could have lost 
a son or worker because we were stupid.

And we never used the old guy again, he was dangerous. We talk all the 
time, and he always offers to climb for us, but I just tell him maybe 
next time.

Not sure about others, but I think Bob M's posting have saved a couple 
lives.

Thats why I wanted to querry deeper, so anyone else reading that doesn't 
know any better who is new to the industry understands safety aspect of 
climbing.



George




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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Mark Nash]

The ENET customizable portal is really cool.  You can customize just about
everything you want about the look & feel of the webmail interface.  You can
give your customers admin access to their own domain as well, while you
still control system-wide settings.  We moved 3 servers into their service
over the last few months with over 1000 accounts, and we are so far happy
with it.

Mark Nash
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78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
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541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Muto" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various hosted
services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in
> 2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email service
you can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly
> for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive
alternative to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We
> have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a customizable
portal.
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> President
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
> Google Security Services Distributor-
> Powered by Postini
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
> 800-246-7740 - Toll Free
> 630-258-7422 - Direct
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Nash" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
> > If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution.  If
you
> > host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched it
> > before we went with Everyone.Net.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
> >
> >
> >> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> >> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> >> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> >> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> >> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than
it's
> >> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> >> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> >> email addresses.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[George Rogato]

Chuck McCown wrote:
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks 
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around 
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to 
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a pole 
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was 
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   
I can remember seeing guys climb poles, just like you described.

When we first started we knew nothing. A guy who I had wired his house 
had a big picture hanging on his wall. It was him  flying through the 
air hanging off a cable attached to a helicopter.
He explained thats how they get you out into the middle of no where to 
work on transmition lines.
Was a pretty cool picture.

Anyways, he offered to climb for us. So eventually when we went to build 
out our first tower we used him. He was retired 60 or so. That guy was 
like a monkey climbing a tree. He used a waste belt and hardly ever tied 
off. The one tower we were on had horizontal members that he would just 
walk as if it was a side walk, no belt no tie off, just a monkey. The 
tower had a ladder and a couple platforms at the top to work from.
Anyways, he always would complain that he needed someone else to climb 
with him cause it was lonely up on that platform alone.
So  we had my son's and others go up there with him.
Nobody ever taught us how to climb or how dangerous it was. Or what 
safety precautions to take.

Until Bob M. (on his blackberry) pointed out when a wisp posted a 
picture of is guy free climbing a 400' with sneakers and no belt.

I shiver at the thoughts of what could have happened. I could have lost 
a son or worker because we were stupid.

And we never used the old guy again, he was dangerous. We talk all the 
time, and he always offers to climb for us, but I just tell him maybe 
next time.

Not sure about others, but I think Bob M's posting have saved a couple 
lives.

Thats why I wanted to querry deeper, so anyone else reading that doesn't 
know any better who is new to the industry understands safety aspect of 
climbing.



George



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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Blake Bowers]

I remember years ago carrying a cable TV employee from
the hospital in Hendersonville TN to Vanderbilt hospital in
Nashville after he slid a pole.

Fractured legs X2, and abraisions and splinters ALL over.

I do mean ALL over

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> You just put your gloved hands on each side of the pole.  Kinda like the
> guys that climb palm trees with nothing.
> You have hooks on your feet so that is what is keeping you on the pole.
> Your hands keep you from falling backwards but there isn't much force on
> your hands if you are doing it right.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>>
>> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
>> when climbing?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
>>> hooks
>>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>>> around
>>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
>>> to
>>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
>>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
>>> pole
>>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I 
>>> was
>>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
>>> was
>>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, 
>>> if
>>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "George Rogato" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>>
>>> > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>>> > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>>> > are then not tied off at all?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am
>>> >> in
>>> >> a
>>> >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different 
>>> >> places
>>> >> just
>>> >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>> >>
>>> >> Daniel White
>>> >> 3-dB Networks
>>> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> >> On
>>> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>> >>
>>> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because 
>>> >> this
>>> >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards 
>>> >>> was
>>> >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
>>> >>> they
>>> >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
>>> >>> from
>>> >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he 
>>> >>> got
>>> >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
>>> >>> feel
>>> >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> >>> /*
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>  Very sad indeed.
>>>  I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>  people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>  It was not funny to me at all.
>>> 
>>>  But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>  Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Blair Davis wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Tower accident...
>>> >
>>> > http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>> >
>>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Frank Muto]

As a ENET distributor, I'll agree with Mark. After testing various hosted 
services for 18 months, I decided on ENET back in 
2006. For a hosted service I feel it is the best all around email service you 
can offer your customers. We use ENET mostly 
for backup continuity and for clients looking for a less expensive alternative 
to in-house Exchange, or hosted Exchange. We 
have the full compliment to offer, IMAP, POP3, Webmail and a customizable 
portal.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Google Security Services Distributor-
Powered by Postini
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution.  If you
> host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched it
> before we went with Everyone.Net.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
>> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
>> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
>> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>> email addresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,




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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

For the partner edition I didn't.  Neither the standard for my
customers.  I am doing premier at the time of this writing and have
not spoken with anyone.

On 1/6/09, Adam Goodman  wrote:
> I don't think you have to contact them if you are going to use the
> standard plan. We didn't.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> Looks like it.  It was all automated when we did it - never contacted
>> someone from Google.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/partners/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Nix Jr.
>>>  wrote:
>>> > For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>>> > someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>>> > working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
>>> > of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>>> > Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than
>>> > it's
>>> > worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>>> > something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>>> > email addresses.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > __
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>> >
>>> > csweb.net
>>> >
>>> > (918) 235-0414
>>> >
>>> > http://www.csweb.net 
>>> >
>>> > E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >
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>>> > nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this
>>> > e-mail
>>> > and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Josh Luthman]

What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)

Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
when climbing?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
> around
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
> pole
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
> > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> > are then not tied off at all?
> >
> >
> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
> >> a
> >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> >> just
> >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> >>
> >> Daniel White
> >> 3-dB Networks
> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> >>
> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> >>
> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
> >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
> >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
> >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> >>> /*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> George Rogato wrote:
>  Very sad indeed.
>  I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>  people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>  It was not funny to me at all.
> 
>  But some have a weird sense of humor.
>  Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
> 
> 
>  Blair Davis wrote:
> 
> > Tower accident...
> >
> > http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks 
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around

the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to 
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a pole

when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was 
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> are then not tied off at all?
>
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in 
>> a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places 
>> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  
>> wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> /*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
 Very sad indeed.
 I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
 people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
 It was not funny to me at all.

 But some have a weird sense of humor.
 Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


 Blair Davis wrote:

> Tower accident...
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Adam Goodman]

I don't think you have to contact them if you are going to use the
standard plan. We didn't.

Adam

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Looks like it.  It was all automated when we did it - never contacted
> someone from Google.
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> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Adam Goodman  wrote:
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>> http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/partners/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Nix Jr.
>>  wrote:
>> > For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> > someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> > working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
>> > of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>> > Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
>> > worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>> > something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>> > email addresses.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > __
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Patrick Nix, Jr.,
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck McCown]

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks 
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around 
the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to 
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a pole 
when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was 
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> are then not tied off at all?
>
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in 
>> a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places 
>> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  
>> wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> /*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
 Very sad indeed.
 I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
 people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
 It was not funny to me at all.

 But some have a weird sense of humor.
 Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


 Blair Davis wrote:

> Tower accident...
>
> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Chuck McCown]

You just put your gloved hands on each side of the pole.  Kinda like the 
guys that climb palm trees with nothing.
You have hooks on your feet so that is what is keeping you on the pole. 
Your hands keep you from falling backwards but there isn't much force on 
your hands if you are doing it right.
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>
> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
> when climbing?
>
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> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our 
>> hooks
>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>> around
>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
>> to
>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
>> pole
>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it 
>> was
>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>> > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> > are then not tied off at all?
>> >
>> >
>> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am 
>> >> in
>> >> a
>> >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
>> >> just
>> >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>> >>
>> >> Daniel White
>> >> 3-dB Networks
>> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>> >>
>> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>> >>
>> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>> >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that 
>> >>> they
>> >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves 
>> >>> from
>> >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>> >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it 
>> >>> feel
>> >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> >>> /*
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> George Rogato wrote:
>>  Very sad indeed.
>>  I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>  people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>  It was not funny to me at all.
>> 
>>  But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>  Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>> 
>> 
>>  Blair Davis wrote:
>> 
>> > Tower accident...
>> >
>> > http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Mike Hammett]

They still train you in that fashion, I believe.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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--
From: "Chuck McCown" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:49 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
> around
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
> pole
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> are then not tied off at all?
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
>>> a
>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
>>> just
>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> wrote:
 Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
 that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
 did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
 the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
 strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
 his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
 over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

 --
 * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 

 */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
 /*



 George Rogato wrote:
> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[John McDowell]

;-)  j/p

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, John McDowell  wrote:

> If Chuck was climbing it was probably petrified wood. He's been around a
> while...
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>>
>> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
>> when climbing?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> > Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
>> hooks
>> > and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>> > around
>> > the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
>> to
>> > hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
>> > time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
>> > pole
>> > when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
>> was
>> > talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
>> was
>> > the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
>> if
>> > the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "George Rogato" 
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>> >
>> >
>> > > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> > > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> > > are then not tied off at all?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> > >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am
>> in
>> > >> a
>> > >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
>> places
>> > >> just
>> > >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>> > >>
>> > >> Daniel White
>> > >> 3-dB Networks
>> > >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> > >>
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> > >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>> > >>
>> > >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
>> this
>> > >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>> > >>
>> > >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
>> was
>> > >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
>> they
>> > >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
>> from
>> > >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> > >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
>> got
>> > >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
>> feel
>> > >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> > >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> > >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> > >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> > >>> 
>> > >>>
>> > >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> > >>> /*
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> George Rogato wrote:
>> >  Very sad indeed.
>> >  I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>> >  people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>> >  It was not funny to me at all.
>> > 
>> >  But some have a weird sense of humor.
>> >  Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  Blair Davis wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Tower accident...
>> > >
>> > > http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > 
>> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[John McDowell]

If Chuck was climbing it was probably petrified wood. He's been around a
while...

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>
> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
> when climbing?
>
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>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> > Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
> hooks
> > and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
> > around
> > the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
> to
> > hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> > time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
> > pole
> > when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> > talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
> was
> > the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> > the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "George Rogato" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> >
> >
> > > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> > > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> > > are then not tied off at all?
> > >
> > >
> > > 3-dB Networks wrote:
> > >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am
> in
> > >> a
> > >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> > >> just
> > >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> > >>
> > >> Daniel White
> > >> 3-dB Networks
> > >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> > >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> > >>
> > >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> > >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> > >>
> > >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> > >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
> they
> > >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
> from
> > >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> > >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> > >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
> feel
> > >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> > >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> > >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> > >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> > >>> 
> > >>>
> > >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> > >>> /*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> George Rogato wrote:
> >  Very sad indeed.
> >  I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> >  people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> >  It was not funny to me at all.
> > 
> >  But some have a weird sense of humor.
> >  Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
> > 
> > 
> >  Blair Davis wrote:
> > 
> > > Tower accident...
> > >
> > > http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Layne Sisk]

Only problem is that according to what Google said at the last ISPCon they are 
not doing it for free anymore. :-(
 
-Layne
 
Layne Sisk
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Patrick Nix Jr.
Sent: Tue 1/6/2009 8:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs



For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
something like that but of course people don't like to change their
email addresses.



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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] Postage

[Mike Hammett]

There's always ACH, which has lower fees than credit card.

Many banks have a check reader that you have at your premises  Once you scan 
the checks through, it deposits directly into your account...  all without 
having to take the check to the bank.


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From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:09 AM
To: 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] Postage

> Many of our customers want a paper bill.  When we switched, we first did 
> it
> voluntarily.  Not many changed.  Not enough to matter.
>
> When we mandated it we gave them an option of still getting a paper bill 
> but
> we charge for that.  I think we'll next do that with credit card payment.
> Sure we'll take your check, but it'll cost you a buck.  Maybe not.  I 
> still
> have to run the numbers on what the cc company takes vs. what we spend in
> time dealing with payments
>
> Most people that didn't like the new billing actually liked it when we
> taught them to just print out their statements (we don't do invoices
> anymore) and it'll be EXACTLY the same one that they'd get in the mail.
>
> We also explained to quite a few folks that we're supposed to be a high
> tech, cutting edge company, yet we still use postal mail instead of email!
> yikes.  They laugh and then understand.  Some were also told that our time
> to get invoices out went from two people, two days to on person 3 to 4
> hours.  That they really understood.
>
> In short, we got a lot less pushback than I was expecting.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Richard Siddall" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] Postage
>
>
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>> What's the price for the envelops with the postage on them?
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>
>> $235 for a box of 500 pre-stamped at $.42, i.e. $.47 each, including
>> return address printing.  No surcharge for window envelopes.  There's a
>> per box shipping charge of $8.60 for one box or $12.60 for two.
>>
>> It's more expensive in boxes of 50.  The return address printing options
>> are limited.
>>
>> See: http://www.usps.com/forms/_pdf/ps3203x.pdf
>>
>> We've had mixed success billing electronically.  Seems like a lot of
>> customers don't think they owe anything unless they get a piece of paper.
>> We're thinking of changing to emulating the banks and credit cards by
>> starting off with paper billing but encouraging the customers to switch 
>> to
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

Right... 100% tie off at all times.

What I'm getting at though is when I get to the position I am going to be
working at... I'm 200% tied off (or I have both lanyards attached to the
tower at a minimum... and to different anchor points if possible... just in
case)

Daniel White
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

It makes sense the way you explained it. So when you climb you use two 
lanyards.
half the time 1 lanyard is connected and the other half two lanyards are 
connected.
Is that right?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times.  Or
I
> am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.
> 
> To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
> require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some
sort
> (cable break, etc.).
> 
> Hopefully that makes sense.  Depending on the tower I climb with up to
four
> lanyards (two positioning and two restraint)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
> are then not tied off at all?
> 
> 
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> /*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
 Very sad indeed.
 I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
 people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
 It was not funny to me at all.

 But some have a weird sense of humor.
 Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


 Blair Davis wrote:

> Tower accident...
>
> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[George Rogato]

It makes sense the way you explained it. So when you climb you use two 
lanyards.
half the time 1 lanyard is connected and the other half two lanyards are 
connected.
Is that right?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times.  Or I
> am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.
> 
> To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
> require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some sort
> (cable break, etc.).
> 
> Hopefully that makes sense.  Depending on the tower I climb with up to four
> lanyards (two positioning and two restraint)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
> are then not tied off at all?
> 
> 
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> /*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
 Very sad indeed.
 I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
 people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
 It was not funny to me at all.

 But some have a weird sense of humor.
 Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


 Blair Davis wrote:

> Tower accident...
>
> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times.  Or I
am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.

To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some sort
(cable break, etc.).

Hopefully that makes sense.  Depending on the tower I climb with up to four
lanyards (two positioning and two restraint)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
just
> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> 
> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> /*
>>
>>
>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Very sad indeed.
>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>
>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>
 Tower accident...

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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

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Using Google hosted email is ok, but, has some drawbacks. Namely the SSL
cert and funky IMAP support. If it could be better integrated into a
website (IE, into my.foo.com instead of google.com/a/my.foo.com) I would
love it. Maybe that can be done with a better understanding of the
Google API?

While on the topic on Google Hosted, anyone using the GrandCentral Beta?

Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[George Rogato]

When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> 
> Daniel White
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> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> 
> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
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>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
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>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Very sad indeed.
>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>
>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>
 Tower accident...

 http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html


 




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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

Never heard that before.  I always assumed that you have to give Gmail time
to propagate the enabling of the IMAP or POP services.  I can't stand local
clients anymore so my experience is pretty limited.

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet <
andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if it is because we use the premier edition but POP3 or
> IMAP is turned on automatically by checking POP3 or IMAP twice in a
> row. The first time if fails but the second time it succeeds, no
> logging into the account manually.
>
> Thanks,
>  _
> /-\ ndrew
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> > Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
> >> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> >> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> >> working for you.
> >
> > If I were starting a new outfit today, I'd probably just let them do all
> > the hard work, and host all my users' email. Domain names and Web
> > hosting are dirt-cheap, and if you want to be "just" an Internet access
> > provider, not doing any hosting and having relatively little
> > server-room-type infrastructure, it's a good way to save a few bucks.
> >
> > For a pre-existing outfit, though, migrating to Google Apps could be
> > tricky. For us, the one really big stumbling block was the fact that
> > most of our users use POP3 and something like Outlook Express or
> > Thunderbird. When last I looked into this, the Google Apps API wouldn't
> > let you enable POP3 and IMAP automatically. We'd have been forced to
> > have someone manually log into every mailbox and turn that on.
> >
> > (They said it was to force users to accept their TOS, but I can't escape
> > the feeling that Google wants people to use the Web interface because
> > that's where the ads are; forcing that initial login gives them a free
> > shot at showing you the Gmail interface, which admittedly is awfully
> > attractive.)
> >
> > David Smith
> > MVN.net
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Andrew Niemantsverdriet]

I don't know if it is because we use the premier edition but POP3 or
IMAP is turned on automatically by checking POP3 or IMAP twice in a
row. The first time if fails but the second time it succeeds, no
logging into the account manually.

Thanks,
 _
/-\ ndrew

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:35 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
>> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> working for you.
>
> If I were starting a new outfit today, I'd probably just let them do all
> the hard work, and host all my users' email. Domain names and Web
> hosting are dirt-cheap, and if you want to be "just" an Internet access
> provider, not doing any hosting and having relatively little
> server-room-type infrastructure, it's a good way to save a few bucks.
>
> For a pre-existing outfit, though, migrating to Google Apps could be
> tricky. For us, the one really big stumbling block was the fact that
> most of our users use POP3 and something like Outlook Express or
> Thunderbird. When last I looked into this, the Google Apps API wouldn't
> let you enable POP3 and IMAP automatically. We'd have been forced to
> have someone manually log into every mailbox and turn that on.
>
> (They said it was to force users to accept their TOS, but I can't escape
> the feeling that Google wants people to use the Web interface because
> that's where the ads are; forcing that initial login gives them a free
> shot at showing you the Gmail interface, which admittedly is awfully
> attractive.)
>
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

Looks like it.  It was all automated when we did it - never contacted
someone from Google.

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Adam Goodman  wrote:

> http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/partners/index.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Nix Jr.
>  wrote:
> > For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> > someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> > working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> > of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> > Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
> > worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> > something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> > email addresses.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Adam Goodman]

http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en/partners/index.html



On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Patrick Nix Jr.
 wrote:
> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> email addresses.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> __
>
>
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>
> csweb.net
>
> (918) 235-0414
>
> http://www.csweb.net 
>
> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

What I do is ask them to use the web interface and give one of the many
reasons why.

If they simply say no or don't like it, I walk them through setting up one
account with POP/IMAP on whatever client and then say you're on you're own
for support as you introduce tons of viruses and malware when using those
clients.

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:35 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:

> Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
> > For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> > someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> > working for you.
>
> If I were starting a new outfit today, I'd probably just let them do all
> the hard work, and host all my users' email. Domain names and Web
> hosting are dirt-cheap, and if you want to be "just" an Internet access
> provider, not doing any hosting and having relatively little
> server-room-type infrastructure, it's a good way to save a few bucks.
>
> For a pre-existing outfit, though, migrating to Google Apps could be
> tricky. For us, the one really big stumbling block was the fact that
> most of our users use POP3 and something like Outlook Express or
> Thunderbird. When last I looked into this, the Google Apps API wouldn't
> let you enable POP3 and IMAP automatically. We'd have been forced to
> have someone manually log into every mailbox and turn that on.
>
> (They said it was to force users to accept their TOS, but I can't escape
> the feeling that Google wants people to use the Web interface because
> that's where the ads are; forcing that initial login gives them a free
> shot at showing you the Gmail interface, which admittedly is awfully
> attractive.)
>
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[David E. Smith]

Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you. 

If I were starting a new outfit today, I'd probably just let them do all 
the hard work, and host all my users' email. Domain names and Web 
hosting are dirt-cheap, and if you want to be "just" an Internet access 
provider, not doing any hosting and having relatively little 
server-room-type infrastructure, it's a good way to save a few bucks.

For a pre-existing outfit, though, migrating to Google Apps could be 
tricky. For us, the one really big stumbling block was the fact that 
most of our users use POP3 and something like Outlook Express or 
Thunderbird. When last I looked into this, the Google Apps API wouldn't 
let you enable POP3 and IMAP automatically. We'd have been forced to 
have someone manually log into every mailbox and turn that on.

(They said it was to force users to accept their TOS, but I can't escape 
the feeling that Google wants people to use the Web interface because 
that's where the ads are; forcing that initial login gives them a free 
shot at showing you the Gmail interface, which admittedly is awfully 
attractive.)

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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

For the customer's domain we use Google Apps as well.  Case in point,
imaginenetworksllc.com - my.imaginenetworksllc.com or
mail.imaginenetworksllc.com

On 1/6/09, Mark Nash  wrote:
> If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution.  If you
> host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched it
> before we went with Everyone.Net.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
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> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
>
>> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
>> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
>> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>> email addresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>
>> csweb.net
>>
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>> http://www.csweb.net 
>>
>> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Mark Nash]

If you only host your OWN domain, this looks like a good solution.  If you
host your CUSTOMER's domains, it is not, at least when I researched it
before we went with Everyone.Net.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Nix Jr." 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs


> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> email addresses.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> __
>
>
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>
> csweb.net
>
> (918) 235-0414
>
> http://www.csweb.net 
>
> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
>
>
>
> 
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

I mean this sincerely - I just googled it and found it.

Try looking for google apps partner edition

On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
> So where do you go to sign up?
>
> __
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
> http://www.csweb.net
> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs
>
> Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.
>
> HTTP://goinx.com
>
> On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
>> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
>> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
>> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an
> out
>> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
>> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than
> it's
>> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
>> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
>> email addresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>
>> csweb.net
>>
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>> http://www.csweb.net 
>>
>> E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[3-dB Networks]

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
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When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>
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>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Very sad indeed.
>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>
>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>
>>
>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Matt]

> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> email addresses.

Have you considered reselling googles Internet service as well?  Its
based on fiber.

http://www.google.com/tisp/

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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

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So where do you go to sign up?

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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:54 AM
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Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.

HTTP://goinx.com

On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an
out
> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than
it's
> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> email addresses.
>
>
>
> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Josh Luthman]

Love it. Couldn't expect a better service.

HTTP://goinx.com

On 1/6/09, Patrick Nix Jr.  wrote:
> For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
> someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
> working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
> of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
> Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
> worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
> something like that but of course people don't like to change their
> email addresses.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> __
>
>
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>
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>
> (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Josh Luthman]

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>
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> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
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> 
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> /*
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>
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Very sad indeed.
>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>
>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>
>>
>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Tower accident...
>>>
>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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[WISPA] Google's email services for ISPs

[Patrick Nix Jr.]

For those who may be using Google's branded services for ISPs can
someone tell me where to go to find more information and how is it
working for you.  Currently we are running our email services on an out
of production email server that is no longer supported and behind a
Barracuda SF for spam protection.  It is causing more problems than it's
worth.  If it were up to me I'd have everyone switch to gmail or
something like that but of course people don't like to change their
email addresses.

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was 
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they 
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from 
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who 
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got 
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel 
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming. 

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George Rogato wrote:
> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when 
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>   
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[George Rogato]

Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when 
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


Blair Davis wrote:
> Tower accident...
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> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
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Re: [WISPA] [isp-wireless] Postage

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Many of our customers want a paper bill.  When we switched, we first did it 
voluntarily.  Not many changed.  Not enough to matter.

When we mandated it we gave them an option of still getting a paper bill but 
we charge for that.  I think we'll next do that with credit card payment. 
Sure we'll take your check, but it'll cost you a buck.  Maybe not.  I still 
have to run the numbers on what the cc company takes vs. what we spend in 
time dealing with payments

Most people that didn't like the new billing actually liked it when we 
taught them to just print out their statements (we don't do invoices 
anymore) and it'll be EXACTLY the same one that they'd get in the mail.

We also explained to quite a few folks that we're supposed to be a high 
tech, cutting edge company, yet we still use postal mail instead of email! 
yikes.  They laugh and then understand.  Some were also told that our time 
to get invoices out went from two people, two days to on person 3 to 4 
hours.  That they really understood.

In short, we got a lot less pushback than I was expecting.

laters,
marlon

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To: 
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] Postage


> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> What's the price for the envelops with the postage on them?
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>> Travis
>> Microserv
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>
> It's more expensive in boxes of 50.  The return address printing options 
> are limited.
>
> See: http://www.usps.com/forms/_pdf/ps3203x.pdf
>
> We've had mixed success billing electronically.  Seems like a lot of 
> customers don't think they owe anything unless they get a piece of paper. 
> We're thinking of changing to emulating the banks and credit cards by 
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