Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
Yes, for the portion of your business that relates to the Grant proceeds. Some disclosure of financial statements would likely be required do to proving your need that you wouldn't do the upgrade without recieving the funds, or to prove your economic need, and your viablity for sustainabilty. But it would be up to you what you were willing to share. Accepting money does not give them the rights to your books, beyond showing compliance to grant terms. There will be a requirement to report deployed coverage down to the census block level, where using Grant proceeds, as well as your prices offered. For example, you would not be audited for prior non-related tax compliance. Auditors would audit grant compliance. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money? -RickG On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Scott, > > Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody > knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning > the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they > publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a > science project to see what type of applicants and applications are > receieved. > > What you need to do is > > 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you > got > some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward > thinking :-) > 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant > funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas. > 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and > rules > are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate. > 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and > rules > a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time > left, > and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT > deadline. > > The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding > notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's > Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details > when it is released. > > In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be > the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, > because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the > targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to > WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really > wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available. > > The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to > award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know > for > a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within > reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that > are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case > plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when > the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be > any > reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that > incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that > have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to > attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without > the > WISP giving their business away. > > Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is > that they never applied. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scottie Arnett" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? > > > >>Even here, I eventually expect >>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. > > What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband > stimulus > package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership > fees(after > tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an > A**, > but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. > > I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. > Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that > opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. > > Scottie > > -- Original Message -- > From: RickG > Reply-To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
cell over wifi. Your right T mobile is not an option. It's ATT. You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap and connect back to the cell companies service via sip. Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard that says they have such a phone. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile > phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take > advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or > with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is > not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to > stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at > the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now > perfect coverage at home. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: George Rogato > > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? > > > Josh Luthman wrote: >> If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your >> system. SIP is so universal... >> >> > > Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years > old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of > the phone ;( > > A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in > range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. > Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, > but not cell over voip. > > Which is why I asked here. > > So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: > If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your > system. SIP is so universal... > > Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Love my Blackberry Curve. With T-mobile they can automatically do UMA. At my house all cell carriers have crappy signal but with UMA I have no problems with my Curve 8900. When we where. In Europe last summer we got international dataplan so we could do all emails we wanted and paid a small fee per mb of regular (none e-mail) traffic. If I needed to place a phone call just made sure I was on a wifi connection and turned off my cell signal for safety and made all the calls I needed just like I was at home (no extra charges just like I was in the states). Skype service with phone calling was announced a while back for Blackberries. Found a few sip clients but they where all tied to specific sip carriers service would be nice with a open sip client so it could be tied directly into our asterisk box. /Eje --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Sent: May 26, 2009 17:12 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
Does it matter..? On 5/26/09, RickG wrote: > Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money? > -RickG > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: >> Scott, >> >> Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody >> knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning >> the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they >> publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a >> science project to see what type of applicants and applications are >> receieved. >> >> What you need to do is >> >> 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you >> got >> some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward >> thinking :-) >> 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant >> funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas. >> 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and >> rules >> are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate. >> 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and >> rules >> a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time >> left, >> and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT >> deadline. >> >> The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding >> notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's >> Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details >> when it is released. >> >> In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be >> the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, >> because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the >> targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to >> WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really >> wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available. >> >> The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to >> award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know >> for >> a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within >> reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that >> are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case >> plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when >> the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be >> any >> reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that >> incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs >> that >> have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to >> attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without >> the >> WISP giving their business away. >> >> Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is >> that they never applied. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scottie Arnett" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? >> >> >> >>>Even here, I eventually expect >>>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >>>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. >> >> What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband >> stimulus >> package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership >> fees(after >> tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an >> A**, >> but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. >> >> I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. >> Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that >> opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. >> >> Scottie >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: RickG >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400 >> >>>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting >>>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a >>>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first >>>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly >>>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big >>>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even >>>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the >>>monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect >>>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >>>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. >>> >>>-RickG >>> >>>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu wrote: >All I can s
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money? -RickG On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Scott, > > Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody > knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning > the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they > publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a > science project to see what type of applicants and applications are > receieved. > > What you need to do is > > 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you got > some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward > thinking :-) > 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant > funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas. > 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and rules > are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate. > 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and rules > a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time left, > and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT > deadline. > > The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding > notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's > Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details > when it is released. > > In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be > the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, > because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the > targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to > WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really > wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available. > > The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to > award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know for > a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within > reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that > are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case > plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when > the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be any > reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that > incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that > have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to > attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without the > WISP giving their business away. > > Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is > that they never applied. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scottie Arnett" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? > > > >>Even here, I eventually expect >>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. > > What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus > package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after > tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, > but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. > > I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. > Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that > opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. > > Scottie > > -- Original Message -- > From: RickG > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400 > >>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting >>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a >>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first >>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly >>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big >>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even >>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the >>monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect >>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. >> >>-RickG >> >>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu wrote: All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. Once that customer is installed with somet
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Another item to look into is femtocells. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "George Rogato" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? > Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still > make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? > > Thanks > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Many. Look at uMobility or Davitas. Software solutions for existing phones. Windows Mobile, Symbian, iPhone, and Black Berries are supported, though only a subset of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "George Rogato" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? > Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still > make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? > > Thanks > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Work order template
If anybody has a template of a work order that you are willing to share, I would be interested in seeing them. The idea is more for inventory control and ordering. Example: Customer A: Install required Tripod, 10' mast, 15-dbi 900 and Alvarion Radio. Installer would be able to check all this off on the work order. Then customer chose other options, like purchased a router or a switch, or need a power strip because they didn't have enough outlets. So if you have a work order of this nature or any work order template for that matter. I'd like to check it out. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
On May 26, 2009, at 7:28 PM, George Rogato wrote: > > So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as > well? > George, look into T-Mobile's Hotspot at Home service. It came out nationwide summer 2007. It will use Wifi, and then smoothly switch to a t-mobile tower if necessary. I think it uses the UMA technology someone else mentioned. I had one for about a year and a half, and it generally worked fine. PS - T-Mobile would supply a WiFi access point that supported QOS, but it worked with most APs. Hmmm, we have a commuter bus in town that runs to the Detroit airport, they have WiFI on the bus. Once I was on the sidewalk next to the bus and made a phone call over their wifi. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
Ditto... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments Can we please have our government stay out of business and let capitalism run its course? I think their time would be better spent (or wasted) doing what they do best - politics and wasting time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > No not really. It allows FIOS triple play to be installed. > The ruling, that passed the first time last year (this was the appeal), > stated that "Cable Company's rights" to negotiated exclusivity could not be > upheld or inforces. There is nothing that prevents the "landlord MTU owner" > rights to honor and continue to offer exclusivity to Cable Co contracts, if > they want to. And there is nothing to require the Cable Co to continue > offering service (unless part of their state/county wide franchise > agreements). So it enables competition. The new provider now has to be > able to offer the MTU owner/landlord better value than the Cable Co did, to > gain the owner's support. The rule didn't take ownership of the coax away > from teh Cable Co, nor does it require the Cable Co to share it. For a > WISP > to use the COAX, the WISP would need to either gain permission from the > Cable Co to use it, or have the Cable Co abandon the Coax so it became > property of the MTU owner, neither of which is likely. Most likely, the > WISP > would ahve to deploy their own new cabling, which would make it impossible > to offer better value than teh Cable Co, without atleast a double play. > > This will actually harm WISPs. Now WISPs will have to compete with "both" > Cable Cos and FIOS within a building :-( > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments > > > > Wow this just opened up every single MTU in the nation as a > > potential customer for everyone on this list... and the building is > > already cabled with coax... just need to find some cheap "head-end" > > units to feed internet over the coax. :) > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Scottie Arnett wrote: > >> > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp > >> x > >> > >> Scottie Arnett > >> > >> --- > >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >> > >> > >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > >> $30.00/mth. > >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsub
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone. It even went through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just fine (after it dried out for a few hours). I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server so that it will try my SIP extension first, then the cell phone number. It's not perfect, but it works pretty well. Biggest weakness is the client on the Nokia doesn't always link up to wifi and register the phone automatically. If I could get that sorted out I would be really happy. If there were more inexpensive gsm/sip phones available, I think we could potentially have a product competitive with the cellcos.It works like this: 1) Get a GSM/SIP capable cell phone 2) Put in a prepaid GSM card from whatever provider 3) Configure the SIP client to work with an Asterisk or other VOIP server. 4) Port the customer's number to the Asterisk box 5) Set up Asterisk so that it tries the SIP connection first, then goes to the prepaid number if SIP doesn't answer 6) Setup the phone so that it goes out through SIP if available, and GSM if not available. 7) e911 goes through the cell phone (no e911 to worry about!!!) 8) Optimize VOIP traffic so that it runs well on your network, to your VOIP server. In theory, this seems like it would work really well. In my area, cell coverage sucks, so customers would be using their wifi access points as little cell-phone repeaters, but the traffic would actually be on VOIP, rather than the cell carrier. Since the cell component would be a pre-paid card, the customer could just buy more prepaid cards when they run down. And 911 is not the VOIP carrier's responsibility - it would be the cell carrier's responsibility.Selling prepaid cards or recharging them could also be a potential revenue stream. Only catch - there aren't any cheap phones that will do this. At least none that I have seen.My Nokia comes VERY close, but it was a $450 phone. We would need to have a $150 phone to make something like this work. Something like this would take the normal cell phone users bill down by 50% or more each month, even compared to the plans that they are offering now. Anyone else out there doing something like this? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: > Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) > > You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network > > The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your > situation may be different... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wrote: > > >> Jonathan Schmidt wrote: >> >>> I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP >>> client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for >>> >> several >> >>> years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms >>> of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and >>> Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it >>> on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk >>> extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. >>> >>> . . . J o n a t h a n >>> >>> >>> >> So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? >> Is this ATT? >> >> Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that >> phone and it just works? >> >> My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be >> something I want. >> >> George >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireles
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Like I said - only one I know of is Cincinnati Bell's Fusion Wifi I'm sure there are others, but it has to be a sales thing. They're not counting your minutes on most of those Wifi networks! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:28 PM, George Rogato wrote: > Josh Luthman wrote: > > If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your > > system. SIP is so universal... > > > > > > Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years > old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of > the phone ;( > > A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in > range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. > Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, > but not cell over voip. > > Which is why I asked here. > > So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Josh Luthman wrote: > If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your > system. SIP is so universal... > > Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM, George Rogato wrote: > Josh Luthman wrote: > > Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) > > > > You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network > > > > The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your > > situation may be different... > > > > > Thanks > I have an * box myself > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Josh Luthman wrote: > Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) > > You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network > > The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your > situation may be different... > > Thanks I have an * box myself WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your situation may be different... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wrote: > Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > > I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP > > client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for > several > > years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms > > of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and > > Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it > > on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk > > extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. > > > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > > > > So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? > Is this ATT? > > Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that > phone and it just works? > > My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be > something I want. > > George > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP > client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several > years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms > of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and > Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it > on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk > extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? Is this ATT? Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that phone and it just works? My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be something I want. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John.bates Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:49 PM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Iphone+skype = VOIP Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze wrote: > The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall > running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think > they were the HP smart phones. > > Rk > > On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: >> Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still >> make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell >> service? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Iphone+skype = VOIP Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze wrote: > The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall > running > into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were > the > HP smart phones. > > Rk > > On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: >> Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still >> make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell >> service? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
Can we please have our government stay out of business and let capitalism run its course? I think their time would be better spent (or wasted) doing what they do best - politics and wasting time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > No not really. It allows FIOS triple play to be installed. > The ruling, that passed the first time last year (this was the appeal), > stated that "Cable Company's rights" to negotiated exclusivity could not be > upheld or inforces. There is nothing that prevents the "landlord MTU owner" > rights to honor and continue to offer exclusivity to Cable Co contracts, if > they want to. And there is nothing to require the Cable Co to continue > offering service (unless part of their state/county wide franchise > agreements). So it enables competition. The new provider now has to be > able to offer the MTU owner/landlord better value than the Cable Co did, to > gain the owner's support. The rule didn't take ownership of the coax away > from teh Cable Co, nor does it require the Cable Co to share it. For a > WISP > to use the COAX, the WISP would need to either gain permission from the > Cable Co to use it, or have the Cable Co abandon the Coax so it became > property of the MTU owner, neither of which is likely. Most likely, the > WISP > would ahve to deploy their own new cabling, which would make it impossible > to offer better value than teh Cable Co, without atleast a double play. > > This will actually harm WISPs. Now WISPs will have to compete with "both" > Cable Cos and FIOS within a building :-( > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments > > > > Wow this just opened up every single MTU in the nation as a > > potential customer for everyone on this list... and the building is > > already cabled with coax... just need to find some cheap "head-end" > > units to feed internet over the coax. :) > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Scottie Arnett wrote: > >> > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp > >> x > >> > >> Scottie Arnett > >> > >> --- > >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >> > >> > >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > >> $30.00/mth. > >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
No not really. It allows FIOS triple play to be installed. The ruling, that passed the first time last year (this was the appeal), stated that "Cable Company's rights" to negotiated exclusivity could not be upheld or inforces. There is nothing that prevents the "landlord MTU owner" rights to honor and continue to offer exclusivity to Cable Co contracts, if they want to. And there is nothing to require the Cable Co to continue offering service (unless part of their state/county wide franchise agreements). So it enables competition. The new provider now has to be able to offer the MTU owner/landlord better value than the Cable Co did, to gain the owner's support. The rule didn't take ownership of the coax away from teh Cable Co, nor does it require the Cable Co to share it. For a WISP to use the COAX, the WISP would need to either gain permission from the Cable Co to use it, or have the Cable Co abandon the Coax so it became property of the MTU owner, neither of which is likely. Most likely, the WISP would ahve to deploy their own new cabling, which would make it impossible to offer better value than teh Cable Co, without atleast a double play. This will actually harm WISPs. Now WISPs will have to compete with "both" Cable Cos and FIOS within a building :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments > Wow this just opened up every single MTU in the nation as a > potential customer for everyone on this list... and the building is > already cabled with coax... just need to find some cheap "head-end" > units to feed internet over the coax. :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Scottie Arnett wrote: >> http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp >> x >> >> Scottie Arnett >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as >> $30.00/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Realize that most of this is carrier dependent, I believe... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rick Kunze wrote: > The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall running > into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were the > HP smart phones. > > Rk > > On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: > > Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still > > make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were the HP smart phones. Rk On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: > Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still > make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? > > Thanks > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Travis said "When you have 20+ current leases totalling over $1,000,000 having that show up on your personal credit reports makes it very hard to re-finance your house, or buy a car, etc. Yes, it can be done (because I have done it), it just creates 10x the work... and there is no benefit (tax wise, equipment wise, company wise, etc.) so we take the easy way. ;)" Good point. I'd also argue the reverse can happen as well. When someone is required to get a personal guarantee, it can make getting a business lease harder, when they look at personal credit and income that may be already extended. For example, if a WISP takes just enopugh income to pay their expenses, and reinvests all the rest of the money back into the company. The business financials may look very good, if a WISP stops expanding, but the individual can incorrectly look stressed. I guess, I'm agreeing with you. Once a WISP can reach the stage where they can gain funding just on business credit alone, they reach a critical stage in survivabilty. The more they lease, the more revenue proportionally added to the books, the more credit worthy the boprrow becomes, and easier it becomes to borrow, I'd presume. The problem for small companies is getting to that stage. Its one of the reasons I think small providers need grants. A grant can really excellerate the rate at which a provider can reach that stage. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability > The biggest difference I have seen with a loan or line of credit, even > for us (a corporation in business for 13 years and profitable since the > first year) is that the banks want personal guarantees... and we haven't > done a personal guarantee on leasing equipment for 5+ years. > > When you have 20+ current leases totalling over $1,000,000 having that > show up on your personal credit reports makes it very hard to re-finance > your house, or buy a car, etc. Yes, it can be done (because I have done > it), it just creates 10x the work... and there is no benefit (tax wise, > equipment wise, company wise, etc.) so we take the easy way. ;) > > We lease, it stays corporate (as it should), and everything is good. :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >> Travis, >> >> I'd agree, except, I'm finding a loan or Line of Credit is as easy to >> get as a lease. >> When the leasor considers a radio, the opposite of a car, >> "non-liquidatable", does the lender really benefit by leasing it instead >> of lending for it? >> >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital >> Availability >> >> >> The banks can sell a car with little effort. They already have >> relationships with dealers and auctions. And often, if the consumer's >> credit is questionable, the dealer will guarantee to take the car back if >> the loan defaults. >> >> Who is going to buy a $10,000 radio that has been repo'd? Even for $5k, >> I wouldn't touch it. I'd buy a new radio with warranty, that I know is >> good and hasn't been fried or broken. >> >> The banks will never loan on the equipment alone. There is no security >> there... but again, why do you need a bank loan for equipment when you >> can just lease it and get the same results? Up to 60 months with $1 >> buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan. What's the difference? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >> Maybe when talking about CPE. >> >> But what about when one is talking about a $10,000 Part101 radio? >> >> Just like a car, all that the lender should need is to "hold the title" >> of >> the radio until paid off, and get a down payment of $2000 to cover the >> cost >> of tower climber/repo man, and a signed letter of authorization from >> lanlord >> stating the location of the tower gear is installed on and they >> acknowledge >> that the gear is not abandoned equipment. (So it does not automatically >> become property of landlord in 4 months, and teh landlord knows the >> equipment owner has first rights to the gear). >> >> Think about it... Wouldn't repo costs be reduced when the repo man knows >> exactly where to find the radio? A car can easilly be relocated and >> hard-to-find, when the owner skips town. >> Plus the home likely has an owner with a shot gun or a big dog, which the >> tower/MTU likely does not. The MTU building might even have a security >> guard to escort teh lender safely to the roof :-) >> >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "j
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Using the Wifi service to connect to your carrier? Only 1 I know of - Cincinnati Bell (Fusion service). You can use the Blackberries with Wifi (8820 and Bold are GSM ones) and install Nimbuzz. The Nokia e85 or n95 has a nice SIP client. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: > Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still > make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? > > Thanks > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Blackberry Flip or Bold using UMA service (if enabled by operator). -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Court: No exclusive cable rights inapartments
Add an X at the end of the address. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Court: No exclusive cable rights inapartments > IIS 404 page =( > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Scottie Arnett > wrote: > >> >> http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp >> x >> >> Scottie Arnett >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as >> $30.00/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
With what Wispa has done with the Calea and 700mhz whitespace issues alone it seems to be worth the check to me. And they have done much more then that. Matt On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > > >Even here, I eventually expect > >competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret > >sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. > > What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus > package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after > tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, > but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. > > I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. > Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that > opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. > > Scottie > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Travis, I agree, that their is a huge advantage to get the customer now. But its not because its harder for them to switch to you later. Its because you can never go back in time and earn the money you could have earned last year, had you had the client then. For example, If it takes a year to save up the money for the equipment, you lost the revenue for that year, and the revenue for that year would have probably paid for teh equipment. Therefore doubling the time to gain an ROI for equipment. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Charles, I agree with you... but at what point does that happen? If your growth is growing (meaning you are doing more installs every month then the previous month), I don't think you can ever reach the point of paying cash for CPE... without completely strapping the entire business. I just don't see a reason that it makes sense to pay cash for the CPE. Yes, we pay cash for all of our backhauls, AP's, antennas for CPE, accessories (CAT5, mounts, etc.) but when it really costs so little in the long run to finance the CPE and have extra cash flow for other things, it seems the easy solution... especially during heavy growth periods. All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, Cable, competitor), it's 10x harder to get them to switch to you. You have to get the customers NOW. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Hi Scott, Regarding debt...I've found that there's a "scale inflection point" in running a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be reached -- the main purpose for taking on debt (because due to interest, you end up paying more in the longer term instead of buying cash), is to accelerate growth so one can progress beyond this point e.g., if you can organically fund 30 new installs a month with cash, if you take on debt, you could leverage yourself and now do 100 installs / month Now, from a business perspective -- in looking at the WISP As a stand-alone sustainable business -- it costs a minimum of about $30k / month to operate a small WISP -- now, I'll argue that that $30k/month in operations remains relatively constant and whether it's supporting 300, 800 or 1500 customers -- however, at 300 customers, the business is bleeding cash...at 800 customers the business is just about at a break-even, and at 1500 customers, the business is a cash machine -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability So I will take option 4 from a previous post since Travis made the point. "Up to 60 months with $1 buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan." I want to run debt free as soon a possible. That being the case I don't lease and have not leased to keep debt down. I do have a start-up loan that is being paid on a little slower than I would like, but we have paid off 1/2 of it in < 5 years and based on our payments, we are cash flow positive. Granted, my WISP is a lot smaller than many that post here and our growth rate is small, but some of that is managing growth to stay cash-flow positive. I have seen several companies die because they became cash rich, but still could not cover the debt. Travis Johnson wrote: The banks can sell a car with little effort. They already have relationships with dealers and auctions. And often, if the consumer's credit is questionable, the dealer will guarantee to take the car back if the loan defaults. Who is going to buy a $10,000 radio that has been repo'd? Even for $5k, I wouldn't touch it. I'd buy a new radio with warranty, that I know is good and hasn't been fried or broken. The banks will never loan on the equipment alone. There is no security there... but again, why do you need a bank loan for equipment when you can just lease it and get the same results? Up to 60 months with $1 buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan. What's the difference? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Maybe when talking about CPE. But what about when one is talking about a $10,000 Part101 radio? Just like a car, all that the lender should need is to "hold the title" of the radio until paid off, and get a down payment of $2000 to cover the cost of tower climber/repo man, and a signed letter of authorization from lanlord stating the location of the tower gear is installed on and they acknowledge that the gear is not abandoned equipment. (So it does not automatically beco
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
Scott, Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a science project to see what type of applicants and applications are receieved. What you need to do is 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you got some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward thinking :-) 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas. 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and rules are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate. 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and rules a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time left, and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT deadline. The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details when it is released. In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available. The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know for a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be any reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without the WISP giving their business away. Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is that they never applied. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? >Even here, I eventually expect >competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400 >I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting >subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a >monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first >owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly >competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big >company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even >they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the >monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect >competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret >sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day. > >-RickG > >On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu wrote: >>>All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because >>>you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. >>>Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, >Cable, >>>competitor), it's 10x harder to get them to switch to you. You have to >>>get the customers NOW. >> >> Now that's a more interesting discussion >> >> What's the business plan for customer acquisition? Do you still keep >> buildin
Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
This was actually stopped years ago - but finally affirmed. Many of us that used to provide cable service to apartment complexes got out of it years ago when it was first ruled against, it was a really sweet business though. One could go in and give the apartment manager a new tv for the... Community room (more often than not her living room) and walk away with a nice contract. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" To: "'WISPA General List'" ; "'Motorola Canopy User Group'" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp > x > > Scottie Arnett > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
Wow this just opened up every single MTU in the nation as a potential customer for everyone on this list... and the building is already cabled with coax... just need to find some cheap "head-end" units to feed internet over the coax. :) Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp > x > > Scottie Arnett > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Court: No exclusive cable rights inapartments
http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp x That little x on the end mattered Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:36 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Court: No exclusive cable rights inapartments IIS 404 page =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-0526 > 09.asp > x > > Scottie Arnett > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Because one of the questions on any financial application is "how long have you been incorporated?". If you wait until you decide you may need to be, then yes they are going to want personal guarantees when the answer to the question is "1 year" instead of "5 years". And I didn't say becoming a corporation is the answer to avoiding the PG's... but the other way around, you will never avoid the PG if you are a sole proprietor. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: The mistake many make is that they think they should incorporate to protect their personal finance/liabilty from the business. Well, actually, its the opposite. A business needs to be protected from personal finance/liabilty. The government is smart enough to understand why a grant or loan recipient needs to be protected from one's personal finance and liabilty. Thus the need to be a LLC, Corp, or S-Corp. Other than simplicity, a Sole Proprietar does not offer anything a LLC and Scorp cant, and for that reason, I'd agree, that if someone wants to be treated like a safe sound business, from a financier, they should move beyond a Sole Proprietorship. I'm not saying Sole Propritorship does not have its place, jsut saying, the second third party money is needed, the business has evolved beyond the purpose of a SoleProprietor in my opinion. The beauty of it though is A Sole Proprieorship can easilly be converted to one of the other type businesses at any time. Also, Travis, being a Corp is not the only thing necessary to get beyond the personal guarantee. From my experience, lendors have asked that the borrower employ at least 6 employees, and show proof of their payroll in the financial reports, and/or do over 1 million dollars a year in revenue, to be considered large enough to bypass personal guarantee. As well, many times have asked for atleast three unique stockholders or principle in the Corp. Its much harder for a Corp owned in full by a single stockholder/founder to bypass a personal guarantee requirement. I think this is one of the reasons sometimes small WISPs stay a Sole Proprietorship longer than expected. If they know they dont meet the other requirements to bypass personal guarantees, or to secure loans by business financials alone, (revenue, diversity in ownership, # employees), whats the point? They might as well make their accounting life easier. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability One more thing. I don't agree with your definitions per se'. We all have businesses. A proprietorship is a TYPE of business. We are a proprietorship because I'm not incorporated (incorporating is over rated and expensive to do right). I'm still a business though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_proprietorship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset marlon - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Hi Marlon, I think it's appropriate to make a few definitions and distinctions on things so everyone is on the same page Specifically, for purposes of making my point, I define Proprietorship: A commercial activity engaged in as a means of livelihood or profit Business: A unique system of processes and procedures that documents and codifies a specific method of proprietorship Asset: cash, inventory, equipment, infrastructure, customer contracts, brand, marketing, etc Grin. Sure it is. That's what a LOT of small business people do. It's also kind of common for doctors, dentists, plumbers etc Sometimes it sucks, Now, everything you stated above is just a method of proprietorship, and in most cases, from a sale perspective, a proprietorships isn't worth anything more than the depreciated value of its assets Say you were buying out the local plumber's office -- what would he have of value? His truck? Some old tools? A customer list / brand perhaps (but the reality of things is that customers do business with him because of him, and if you bought him out and he moved out of town, those customers would probably go back to being on the open market) Now, in comparing the WISP 'proprietorship' vs. the plumber, it's worth noting that the WISP is somewhat unique in that it results in the creation of an independent asset that holds onto a lot of value (e.g., the recurring revenue and everything that goes to support it); in many ways, this is akin to real-estate Not everyone out there even wants to get that big (if I had a nickle for every business owner that's told me the most fun they had and th
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
IIS 404 page =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > > http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp > x > > Scottie Arnett > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
The mistake many make is that they think they should incorporate to protect their personal finance/liabilty from the business. Well, actually, its the opposite. A business needs to be protected from personal finance/liabilty. The government is smart enough to understand why a grant or loan recipient needs to be protected from one's personal finance and liabilty. Thus the need to be a LLC, Corp, or S-Corp. Other than simplicity, a Sole Proprietar does not offer anything a LLC and Scorp cant, and for that reason, I'd agree, that if someone wants to be treated like a safe sound business, from a financier, they should move beyond a Sole Proprietorship. I'm not saying Sole Propritorship does not have its place, jsut saying, the second third party money is needed, the business has evolved beyond the purpose of a SoleProprietor in my opinion. The beauty of it though is A Sole Proprieorship can easilly be converted to one of the other type businesses at any time. Also, Travis, being a Corp is not the only thing necessary to get beyond the personal guarantee. From my experience, lendors have asked that the borrower employ at least 6 employees, and show proof of their payroll in the financial reports, and/or do over 1 million dollars a year in revenue, to be considered large enough to bypass personal guarantee. As well, many times have asked for atleast three unique stockholders or principle in the Corp. Its much harder for a Corp owned in full by a single stockholder/founder to bypass a personal guarantee requirement. I think this is one of the reasons sometimes small WISPs stay a Sole Proprietorship longer than expected. If they know they dont meet the other requirements to bypass personal guarantees, or to secure loans by business financials alone, (revenue, diversity in ownership, # employees), whats the point? They might as well make their accounting life easier. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability > One more thing. I don't agree with your definitions per se'. > > We all have businesses. A proprietorship is a TYPE of business. We are a > proprietorship because I'm not incorporated (incorporating is over rated > and > expensive to do right). I'm still a business though > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_proprietorship > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Wu" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital > Availability > > >> Hi Marlon, >> >> I think it's appropriate to make a few definitions and distinctions on >> things so everyone is on the same page >> >> Specifically, for purposes of making my point, I define >> >> Proprietorship: A commercial activity engaged in as a means of livelihood >> or profit >> >> Business: A unique system of processes and procedures that documents and >> codifies a specific method of proprietorship >> >> Asset: cash, inventory, equipment, infrastructure, customer contracts, >> brand, marketing, etc >> >>>Grin. Sure it is. That's what a LOT of small business people do. It's >>>also kind of common for doctors, dentists, plumbers etc Sometimes it >>>sucks, >> >> Now, everything you stated above is just a method of proprietorship, and >> in most cases, from a sale perspective, a proprietorships isn't worth >> anything more than the depreciated value of its assets >> >> Say you were buying out the local plumber's office -- what would he have >> of value? His truck? Some old tools? A customer list / brand perhaps >> (but the reality of things is that customers do business with him because >> of him, and if you bought him out and he moved out of town, those >> customers would probably go back to being on the open market) >> >> Now, in comparing the WISP 'proprietorship' vs. the plumber, it's worth >> noting that the WISP is somewhat unique in that it results in the >> creation >> of an independent asset that holds onto a lot of value (e.g., the >> recurring revenue and everything that goes to support it); in many ways, >> this is akin to real-estate >> >>>Not >>>everyone out there even wants to get that big (if I had a nickle for >>>every >>>business owner that's told me the most fun they had and the most money >>>they >>>made was when it was just them, no employees..) But then again, >>>that's >>>one of the really cool things about this buisness, it's big enough and >>>flexible enough to allow many different business models and operator >>>dreams >>>to bear fuit! >> >> True...and you have the added benefit of building an asset that has value >> (be happy we're not plumbers =) >> >> -Charles >> >> >> >> >
[WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
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Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
Jim, Do you use the boxes we buy (I linked them above) or the Laird ones? On 5/26/09, sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: > We ship complete boxes with 433 boards, assembled, updated to latest > version, and tested. > We also provide free basic configuration on complete radios to get it > running for you or will walk you through setting it up over the phone at > no additional charge. > If your new to Mikrotik, It will save you some time to have us help you. > > There is also a WISPA member discount for all products we sell. > > > Thanx > Jim > Cell: 314-565-6863 > http://jeffcosoho.com > > > Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: >> I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet >> ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion >> for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> /-\ ndrew >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
We ship complete boxes with 433 boards, assembled, updated to latest version, and tested. We also provide free basic configuration on complete radios to get it running for you or will walk you through setting it up over the phone at no additional charge. If your new to Mikrotik, It will save you some time to have us help you. There is also a WISPA member discount for all products we sell. Thanx Jim Cell: 314-565-6863 http://jeffcosoho.com Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote: > I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet > ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion > for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > _ > /-\ ndrew > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
Forgot to fill this in - you're going to need to mount the board to the enclosure yourself. I like using these: http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=FLIP-MIKROTIK&eq=&Tp= If you can meet the minimum order quantity: Part# 27MLAD0437TAB, microplastics 800-466-1467 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes > (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can > use the rj45-ecs) > > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4&eq=&Tp= > > You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT > distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't > name it. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet < > andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet >> ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion >> for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> /-\ ndrew >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tile roof mounts
Anyone using these? http://www.versatilemount.com Or have you found a better alternative that costs less than $40? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
I can tell you it's Laird (Pacific Wireless) who makes the case. They have a 2.4GHz antenna model as well a 900MHz model as well plus of course hinged lid version only. We have lot of those in stock. They come with one RJ45-ECS. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:34:36 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can use the rj45-ecs) http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4&eq=&Tp= You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't name it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet < andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet > ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion > for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > _ > /-\ ndrew > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
I have a similar quote I read once that stuck with me. "If you're going to go into business, build a business, not a practice." Randy Travis Johnson wrote: > Marlon, > > If you think the WISP business is similar to a doctor or dentist or > plumber, you are very mistaken. The best advice I have ever heard > actually came from the son of a very wealthy doctor in our area. He > sold his son "find something that isn't trading your time for money". > I heard that about 10 years ago in a meeting, and it has stuck with me > forever. > > A doctor or dentist or plumber all trade their time for money. They > bill per hour (even if it's $5,000 per hour) or per job, but they are > still trading their time for money. The WISP business is nothing like > this. It's actually a very unique business compared to anything else > out there. It has recurring monthly income, yet the expenses are > pretty much fixed. Other recurring income businesses that are similar > would be insurance... however, their expenses vary from month to month > depending on number of claims, size of claims, etc. Right now, if I > stopped all my growth, my expenses would be exactly the same from > month to month... and the income would remain the same as well. > > Travis > Microserv > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Charles Wu" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability >> >> >> >>> Marlon, >>> >>> Charles, your numbers are WAY off there. >>> You can't base your numbers on the fact that you're willing to be on call >>> 24x7, work 12 hour days 7 days / week as a function of "normal business >>> operations" -- it simply isn't sustainable from a long term perspective >>> >> >> Grin. Sure it is. That's what a LOT of small business people do. It's >> also kind of common for doctors, dentists, plumbers etc Sometimes is >> sucks, but remember that we can also give ourselves time off nearly anytime >> we really want it. I don't miss very many of the kid's baseball games, >> dance recitles, field trips or anything else. >> >> >>> Eventually, your wife WILL leave you if you keep this up (on a side note, >>> one of the biggest reasons I've seen for small WISPs selling out is the >>> wife factor =) >>> >> >> The reasons I've usually seen are that people get in this for a quick buck. >> When that doesn't happen they burn out/bail out. But that's no different >> than any other industry I see. And I've seen a lot, I've been doing office >> equipment repair work since about 1990 or 92. I've always tried to learn >> from my customers, what works, why etc. Not many bail on a company that's >> making good money, no matter how much time it's taking. >> >> >>> If you were to replace yourself with normal employees that work 8-5 and >>> who make market wages, you'd probably discover that your labor costs will >>> go up $!0-15k / month (I would argue that you probably personally do the >>> work of 3 people in your company) >>> >> >> Believe it or not, I do the work of less than one most of the time. It's >> been a bit more than that lately but only because I'm too cheap to hire help >> and can't afford to replace all the my POS Tranzeo AP's with MT units all at >> once. Once I get the network running nicer my service calls will drop off a >> lot. The difference at the sites that are already done has been nothing >> short of amazing. >> >> The rest of the time I'm screwing around with WISPA stuff or helping local >> orgs of some kind. I might put in a 40 to 60 hour week, but a lot of the >> time is non esential. >> >> Also, if I get too busy I bring a helper along on my installs. 2 guys can >> usually knock one out in about 1/3rd the time of one person. Not sure why >> it goes so much faster, but it does. >> >> By the time I hit 600 to 800 subs I'm gonna need some help. Hiring that person will suck big time because I won't have enough work for them right away. That move alone will likely cut my margin down to nearly nothing for a couple of years. >>> After you factor in your time / opportunity cost / resources / overhead / >>> time spent training -- you will spend an additional 2x an employee's >>> salary during the first 6 months of employment trying to get them trained >>> up and productive -- and then, there's a good chance they just don't work >>> out =) >>> >> >> Yeah, that's the part that really sucks. Every time we hire a new person >> the one that's there drops to half time production for x months. It's a >> hard thing. >> >> Saying your numbers were off wasn't quite fair of me. They COULD be right >> on the money if a person structured the company that way. But not everyone >> lives in a market that will allow tens of thousands of customers. Not >> everyon
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
And the people at Quicklink are really great! -RickG On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes > (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can > use the rj45-ecs) > > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4&eq=&Tp= > > You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT distributor. > No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't name it. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet < > andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet >> ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion >> for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> /-\ ndrew >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=BP%2DDCEL%2DKit&eq= CNC drilled mounting plate with metal standoffs and screws. Or of course buy it as a complete kit case and backplate. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:37:47 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases Forgot to fill this in - you're going to need to mount the board to the enclosure yourself. I like using these: http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=FLIP-MIKROTIK&eq=&Tp= If you can meet the minimum order quantity: Part# 27MLAD0437TAB, microplastics 800-466-1467 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes > (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can > use the rj45-ecs) > > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4&eq=&Tp= > > You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT > distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't > name it. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet < > andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet >> ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion >> for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> /-\ ndrew >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
Pretty confident we're talking about two different boxes, Eje. Could you share a picture to confirm? I personally despise the DCE Laird enclosures. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM, wrote: > http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=BP%2DDCEL%2DKit&eq= > > CNC drilled mounting plate with metal standoffs and screws. > > Or of course buy it as a complete kit case and backplate. > > /Eje > CTO > WISP-Router, Inc. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Josh Luthman > > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:37:47 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases > > > Forgot to fill this in - you're going to need to mount the board to the > enclosure yourself. I like using these: > > http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=FLIP-MIKROTIK&eq=&Tp= > > If you can meet the minimum order quantity: Part# 27MLAD0437TAB, > microplastics 800-466-1467 > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > > I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes > > (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you > can > > use the rj45-ecs) > > > > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= > > http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4&eq=&Tp= > > > > You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT > > distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't > > name it. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet < > > andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet > >> ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion > >> for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. > >> Any suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> _ > >> /-\ ndrew > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Routerboard Cases
I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. Any suggestions? Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Cases
I really like these enclosures. Does a good job vs weather, 2 or 4 holes (same price) for N connectors or cat5/rj45 plugs (it comes with one, you can use the rj45-ecs) http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-4&eq=&Tp= You can find the exact same box for the same price at every MT distributor. No one will disclose who actually makes the box so I can't name it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet < andrewniema...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have the need for an outdoor router. It needs to have two Ethernet > ports. I am looking at the RB433 as the router but I need a suggestion > for an outdoor case that will work having never used a RB433 before. > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > _ > /-\ ndrew > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Entity - which type? Was: Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
We are an LLC. However, I don't think we could be a sole-proprietor with two people, so we moved it to an LLC. This way our personal assets are protected and we take distributions when we need them for our salary. I have heard that an S-Corp is much more difficult in terms of taxes. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* RickG wrote: > Ha! Another interesting topic! In the past, when doing business for > myself, I legally filed as a sole-proprietor. When I got into the WISP > business, for a multitude of reasons, I became an "S-Corp". After > filing my taxes, it seems to be much simpler and possibly more > advantageous to just be a sole-proprietor. But that goes against all > advise I receive. > Marlon, I'm actually surprised that you are a sole-proprietor. What > benefits have you found by remaining so? > -RickG > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > wrote: > >> One more thing. I don't agree with your definitions per se'. >> >> We all have businesses. A proprietorship is a TYPE of business. We are a >> proprietorship because I'm not incorporated (incorporating is over rated and >> expensive to do right). I'm still a business though >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sole_proprietorship >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Charles Wu" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability >> >> >> >>> Hi Marlon, >>> >>> I think it's appropriate to make a few definitions and distinctions on >>> things so everyone is on the same page >>> >>> Specifically, for purposes of making my point, I define >>> >>> Proprietorship: A commercial activity engaged in as a means of livelihood >>> or profit >>> >>> Business: A unique system of processes and procedures that documents and >>> codifies a specific method of proprietorship >>> >>> Asset: cash, inventory, equipment, infrastructure, customer contracts, >>> brand, marketing, etc >>> >>> Grin. Sure it is. That's what a LOT of small business people do. It's also kind of common for doctors, dentists, plumbers etc Sometimes it sucks, >>> Now, everything you stated above is just a method of proprietorship, and >>> in most cases, from a sale perspective, a proprietorships isn't worth >>> anything more than the depreciated value of its assets >>> >>> Say you were buying out the local plumber's office -- what would he have >>> of value? His truck? Some old tools? A customer list / brand perhaps >>> (but the reality of things is that customers do business with him because >>> of him, and if you bought him out and he moved out of town, those >>> customers would probably go back to being on the open market) >>> >>> Now, in comparing the WISP 'proprietorship' vs. the plumber, it's worth >>> noting that the WISP is somewhat unique in that it results in the creation >>> of an independent asset that holds onto a lot of value (e.g., the >>> recurring revenue and everything that goes to support it); in many ways, >>> this is akin to real-estate >>> >>> Not everyone out there even wants to get that big (if I had a nickle for every business owner that's told me the most fun they had and the most money they made was when it was just them, no employees..) But then again, that's one of the really cool things about this buisness, it's big enough and flexible enough to allow many different business models and operator dreams to bear fuit! >>> True...and you have the added benefit of building an asset that has value >>> (be happy we're not plumbers =) >>> >>> -Charles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ >
