[WISPA] Sorry OT

[lakeland]

Every day I read, attend webinars and conferences. And do everything I can to 
keep up with the technology curve. 

And then something like the movie Avatar comes along and I realize how far 
behind I really am.

Imax 3D and video animation unlike any other. Totally incredible.

Go for the reality check

-B-
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Brad Belton]

Tom, 

I give...but only because I just don't have nearly the amount of free time
to ramble as you apparently do.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

Brad,

I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it...










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Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB SurgeSuppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

[Tom DeReggi]

The ones Eje posted are Citel indoor models. Citel also makes an outdoor 
model that has the same electronics as the inside model, but is in a case 
that looks very similar to the Canopy model.  The outdoor model costs near 
the same as the indoor model.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Eje Gustafsson" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB SurgeSuppressor 
withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?


> We among many others carry this one.
> http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8&eq=&Tp=
>
> Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to
> the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any
> power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it 
> with
> Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not
> distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power 
> cablings.
> Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard
> Canopy units can handle.
>
> Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V
> units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the
> data wires.
> http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24&eq=&Tp=
>
> We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell 
> them
> for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with 
> Canopy
> but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design.
>
> / Eje
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
> withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?
>
> Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like
> really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection
> seems a better idea than competing products.
>
> Thanks,
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Data Technology 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600
>
>>I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing.
>>
>>I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build.
>>http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf
>>
>>Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has
>>this surge suppressor installed.
>>I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago.  When I opened the enclosure
>>there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor
>>was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board
>>was fine.
>>
>>LaRoy  McCann
>>Data Technology
>>
>>Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we
> commonly
>>> use are
>>>
>>> Canopy 12-24v
>>> Nano/Locostations 12-25v
>>> MT 4xx 10-28v
>>>
>>> Cordless drill battery 18-22v
>>>
>>> Having a mobile POE priceless
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>>> --- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Good point about the voltage.
 I use them mostly for UBNT CPE.  What MT units I used them with were 18
 or 24V.



 Tom DeReggi wrote:

> The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right?
>
> If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not
> 48V
> configurations.
>
> As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit
> specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish).
> They have both 60Vand 35V models.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Data Technology" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" <
>
 wireless@wispa.org>

> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
>
 with

> UBNT radios or Mikrotik?
>
>
>
>
>> Yes you can.  You have to move the ground jumper.  Just loosen the
> nuts
>> and move the jumper to the hole with no copper.
>> The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground.
>>
>> LaRoy McCann
>> Data Technology
>>
>>
>> Scott Carullo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

> -

Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Bob goes WAY beyond the books mere mortals use!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeremy Parr" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?


> When are you writing you "how to mount anything on anything" book? We
> have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself
> to this elite group :-)
>
> On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net  wrote:
>> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole
>> without a manlift or crane with a basket
>>
>> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two
>> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and 
>> stand
>> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a 
>> standard
>> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling 
>> can
>> run thru the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or
>> similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or
>> special latches.
>>
>> Now the warning..
>>
>> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a
>> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.
>>
>> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so 
>> they
>> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install
>> super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed 
>> to
>> return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.
>>
>> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large 
>> narrow
>> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.
>>
>> The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and 
>> they
>> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older
>> poles they can be as much as $5K.
>>
>> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble.
>> When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable 
>> can
>> get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your 
>> radios,
>> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. 
>> Your
>> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on 
>> the
>> install.
>>
>> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and
>> consider everything especially the unknown.
>>
>> Personally I would walk away.
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" 
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56
>> To: ; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
>>
>> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J
>> mounts. On
>> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded
>> studs
>> off the angle.
>>
>> Scott Carullo wrote:
>>> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?
>>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
>>>
>>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I
>>> can
>>> shimmie that high lol
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

[Jayson Baker]

Oh, yeah, that's a requirement too.  You can't bridge without WDS.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:

> 2010/1/12 Jayson Baker :
> > Broadcast, I guess.  Whatever is default on MT.
>
> Default is broadcast. I think I may have resolved the issue by setting
> the AP (Rocket) and client (Nanostation) to WDS mode. The Ubiquiti is
> staying out of the IP path now.
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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

[Jeremy Parr]

2010/1/12 Jayson Baker :
> Broadcast, I guess.  Whatever is default on MT.

Default is broadcast. I think I may have resolved the issue by setting
the AP (Rocket) and client (Nanostation) to WDS mode. The Ubiquiti is
staying out of the IP path now.



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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

[Jayson Baker]

Broadcast, I guess.  Whatever is default on MT.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:

> 2010/1/12 Jayson Baker :
> > Make sure you have "Multicast Data" enabled or whatever on the Advanced
> tab.
> > Pulled my hair out over this for a couple days, then realized if it's not
> > checked, you get one-way OSPF.
> > Checked it, rebooted, and everything has been happy since.
>
> Multicast is enabled. Are you running OSPF in broadcast or ptmp?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF

[Jeremy Parr]

2010/1/12 Jayson Baker :
> Make sure you have "Multicast Data" enabled or whatever on the Advanced tab.
> Pulled my hair out over this for a couple days, then realized if it's not
> checked, you get one-way OSPF.
> Checked it, rebooted, and everything has been happy since.

Multicast is enabled. Are you running OSPF in broadcast or ptmp?



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Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

[Eje Gustafsson]

We among many others carry this one. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8&eq=&Tp=

Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to
the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any
power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with
Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not
distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings.
Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard
Canopy units can handle. 

Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V
units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the
data wires. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24&eq=&Tp=

We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them
for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy
but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like
really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection
seems a better idea than competing products.

Thanks,
Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Data Technology 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600

>I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing.
>
>I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build.
>http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf
>
>Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has 
>this surge suppressor installed.
>I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago.  When I opened the enclosure 
>there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor 
>was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board 
>was fine.
>
>LaRoy  McCann
>Data Technology
>
>Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we
commonly
>> use are
>>
>> Canopy 12-24v
>> Nano/Locostations 12-25v
>> MT 4xx 10-28v
>>
>> Cordless drill battery 18-22v
>>
>> Having a mobile POE priceless
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> --- Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology  wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Good point about the voltage.
>>> I use them mostly for UBNT CPE.  What MT units I used them with were 18
>>> or 24V.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>> 
 The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right?

 If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not
48V
 configurations.

 As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit
 specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish).
 They have both 60Vand 35V models.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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 From: "Data Technology" 
 To: ; "WISPA General List" <
   
>>> wireless@wispa.org>
>>> 
 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
   
>>> with
>>> 
 UBNT radios or Mikrotik?



   
> Yes you can.  You have to move the ground jumper.  Just loosen the
nuts
> and move the jumper to the hole with no copper.
> The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground.
>
> LaRoy McCann
> Data Technology
>
>
> Scott Carullo wrote:
>
> 
>> Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
>>
>>
>>   
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Tom DeReggi]

Brad,

I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it, but I 
honestly disagree with your assessment.

On Cat5... Trango APEX uses Conex passthrus the same type that Dragonwave 
uses for their radios.
There is a reason high grade radio manufacturers pick thems, they are 
quality. It is the cream of the crop, period. We've used them all.
Dont hold me to this, but I think Conex makes different size passthrue holes 
for their various caps, and I think the caps are interchangable with the 
same base units.
But I would need to double check that, you might want to explore that 
possibilty.  The Conex passthrues are available through third parties cost 
effectively.
But the fact is, a Passthrue rubber seal hole can NOT be made and proper 
sized for BOTH thickest and thinnest cable. Its one or the other, and best 
that it is made for the type cable most commonly used.
Especially if there is an option to buy seperately the odd size passthru 
that you might need.

Fiber base plate... Why in the world does it matter what it looks like? The 
radio is either located on a commerical roof top or 200ft up a tower. It 
looking like pipe conduit does absolutely no harm.

I agree the same Fiber slot metal plate passthru when used on th TLink45 for 
Cat5, the hole is to small, and wish it was drilled out larger. But on the 
APEX, the hole is the right size for Fiber cable.
And the Conex passthrues are the right size for many CAT5..

> Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side 
> of
> the radio rather than on the bottom.  This can make for a difficult if not
> impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn
> before hitting the mounting pipe.  Hopefully the next generation Apex 
> radios
> will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in 
> accessible
> locations.

Once again, FUD.  The Trango Apex as well as any other Manufacturer's ODU, 
has the option to turn 90 degrees to change polarities. In that 
circumstance, IF a connector was on the bottom standard, it would no longer 
be if turned 90 degrees to the alternate polarity.  In Trangos design it 
guarantees that atleast one of the two connectors is in a downward posiiton, 
which is better than the alternative of none in the downward position.  Lets 
compare it to Dragonwave
Dragonwave's pertude outward from the back, equivellent to ALWAYS being 
horizontal or from the side. As well, pertruding out in that direction can 
cause them to bump into back walls or poles behind radio, if aligning at a 
sharp angle from behind's surface.  My point here is that Trango's choice of 
CAT5 placement is better than the competitors. I'm not aware of any 
Manufacturer that came up with better placement.  PS, I do not mean to 
attack Dragonwave, its just that Dragonwave is one of the other radios we 
frequently use, and it was clear in my mind where the CAT5 positioning was, 
so easy example to compare.
Dragonwave's positioning is also exceptable because the Conex Cat5 passthru 
is weathertight at Horizontal placement. But my point is, Trango's placement 
is NOT inferior in design.

I will admit, that if BRad needs a solution to accommodate a thicker cable, 
then that is something that he needs a solution for. But that does not mean 
Trango's design was wrong or bad.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port


> This throwback port design from the "Trango Summer Engineer Interns" Atlas
> days is crap.  Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water 
> pipe
> cap on a carrier class radio.  The split rubber gland that is under this
> metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well.  I'm glad you've been lucky 
> with
> your results, but inspecting these old style "weather proof" ports after a
> period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration.
>
> It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't 
> try
> and defend their short comings.  It diminishes your objective credibility.
> Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next
> generation design.
>
> The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from "the best type in the 
> industry."
> Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been
> limited.  While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the 
> fiber
> port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket.
> So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using 
> Coax-Seal
> from the compression ring to the outer jacket.  It seems Trango opted to
> cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather 
> than
> a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5.
>
> Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side 
> of
> the radio rather

Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

[Scottie Arnett]

Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like 
really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection 
seems a better idea than competing products.

Thanks,
Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Data Technology 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600

>I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing.
>
>I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build.
>http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf
>
>Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has 
>this surge suppressor installed.
>I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago.  When I opened the enclosure 
>there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor 
>was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board 
>was fine.
>
>LaRoy  McCann
>Data Technology
>
>Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly
>> use are
>>
>> Canopy 12-24v
>> Nano/Locostations 12-25v
>> MT 4xx 10-28v
>>
>> Cordless drill battery 18-22v
>>
>> Having a mobile POE priceless
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
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>>
>>   
>>> Good point about the voltage.
>>> I use them mostly for UBNT CPE.  What MT units I used them with were 18
>>> or 24V.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>> 
 The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right?

 If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V
 configurations.

 As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit
 specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish).
 They have both 60Vand 35V models.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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> Yes you can.  You have to move the ground jumper.  Just loosen the nuts
> and move the jumper to the hole with no copper.
> The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground.
>
> LaRoy McCann
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>> Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped...
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Paul Gerstenberger]

All our core switching is done with World Wide Packets gear (now  
Ciena). WWP/Ciena makes carrier grade equipment, but carries a price  
tag near Cisco. And also mostly geared towards fiber. The newest  
switches we got are the CN3940, 24-port 10/100/1000 that will take  
copper or SPF modules.

Our lighter switching is done with ZyXel which I started using based  
on recommendations from the ISP-Wireless list. Substantial feature set  
at a low cost.

-Paul

On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking  
> for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48  
> port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
>
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Randy Cosby]

Thanks for all the tips guys.

I'll definitely be doing it better next time.

Randy

On 1/12/2010 10:11 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a
> rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the
> case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough.
>
> But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type
> you use.  We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same
> hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a
> great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get
> a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either
> CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data
> CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances.
>
> (It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as
> seperate PVLANs, if desired)
>
> So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to
> seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements.
> What we often do is we use 3ft of  Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor
> junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a
> cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.)
>
> If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the
> outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch
> panel.  Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX.
> This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with
> Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done
> on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls
> and such)
>
> There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then
> each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable
> is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the
> hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can
> fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly
> into the APEX without any junctions inbetween.
>
> We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber
> breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with
> conectors inside the APEX, I think.
>
> It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not
> just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of
> sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature
> rating for Cold.  If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack
> internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and
> Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp
> rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp
> version.
>
> So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so
> its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something
> called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware
> like HomeDepot.
>
> We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type
> connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels
> were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine
> in most cases.
>
> As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin
> inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will
> survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do
> that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to
> disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might
> break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful.
> That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables
> to the APEX.
>
> We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a
> pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly
> break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your
> situation.  But if you use conduit for the run,  we recommend Liqui-tight,
> its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up
> in the spool.
>
> If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you
> can just cut a 6-10" peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base
> plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Randy Cosby"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
>
>
>
>> Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to
>> seal up that port.  T

Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Nick Olsen]

Can't say I have. But its been a busy switch, And it hasn't missed a beat. 
Only thing is, I wish it had SSH. Hit me off list if you want to take a 
look at the web management interface.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:39 PM
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Nick-
Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 
1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series 
http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 

It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a 
bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 
port version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.

`S

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the 
new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
(These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or 
RX 
per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 

necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 

on the backbone port, and sort through it.

But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check 
for 
you, shortly..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
> same time. Thx for info.
>
> Thanks,
> 'S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>  wrote:
>
>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>
>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>> (w/ 4
>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>> monitoring
>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>
>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>> cant
>> label ports with names.
>>
>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>> range.  And
>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>
>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>> lacks a few
>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
>>
>>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>>> for
>>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Scott
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Brad Belton]

Agreed, the Dell switches we've deployed have been flawless and are a great
value.  Dell has been very good to us, so I'm a little biased. 

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

I love my Dell switches. I almost bought HP units but Dell had a sale on
untis with the same features.
-RickG

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
wrote:

> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for
> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
units,
> Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[RickG]

I love my Dell switches. I almost bought HP units but Dell had a sale on
untis with the same features.
-RickG

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Scott Vander Dussen
wrote:

> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for
> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port units,
> Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
>
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Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?

[RickG]

Darn right. I learned a long time ago you dont want everyone as a customer.
I just fired a customer the other day. Thanks! -RickG

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

> Right.  We loose a few customers now and again because of it.  But those
> customers have a higher cost than income so what else does a guy do?
>
> There are two things you want to do when in business right?  Turn a profit.
> Make sure that your competitor doesn't.
>
> Off loading the high cost or high trouble customers does both.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
>
>
> > OK, so your finding most wont or dont do it since they know they'll have
> > to
> > pay for the bandwidth?
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
> > wrote:
> >
> >> By stopping it before it starts  People here know what it'll do to
> >> their
> >> bill.
> >>
> >> Sometimes it happens anyway.  Usually people don't know it's happening.
> >>
> >> When we catch someone in the act we call them as soon as we can and see
> >> what
> >> they are up to.  If it's just a big download we let it go and people
> just
> >> have to understand that that's going to happen from time to time.  Just
> >> like
> >> busy signals used to happen sometimes.
> >>
> >> If we can't get ahold of them to get them to stop or justify it, we
> leave
> >> a
> >> message on the phone and block them till they call.
> >>
> >> Better to piss off one customer than 40...
> >>
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "RickG" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:24 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Marlon, as you know I've been a proponent of usage based billing since
> >> > I've
> >> > been in broadband. But, whether you bill for it or not, PTP still eats
> >> > up
> >> > the AP to the point it slows it down for everyone. How do you get
> >> > around
> >> > that?
> >> > -RickG
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hiya Roman,
> >> >>
> >> >> We bill per bit.  That way we don't care what the customer is doing,
> >> >> all
> >> >> we're worried about is how much they uses.  Run edonkey and you'll
> get
> >> an
> >> >> extra bill.  Download Netflix and you'll get an extra bill etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> MOST of the time we catch virus's for our customers.  It's actually a
> >> >> pretty
> >> >> good sales tool.  Netflix is changing that somewhat though.
> >> >> marlon
> >> >>
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> >> >> From: "Roman" 
> >> >> To: 
> >> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:34 AM
> >> >> Subject: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Dear readers,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you have any experience with successful blocking of P2P
> (eDonkey,
> >> >> > Torrents etc.) traffic in your wireless networks?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any user who uses torrent client at his PC can effectively consume
> a
> >> >> > lot
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > bandwidth of Wi-Fi access point, leaving other honest users with
> >> >> > small
> >> >> > portion of throughput. Port blocking does not help because nowadays
> >> P2P
> >> >> > clients use random ports, encryption and other means to hide
> traffic
> >> >> > patterns. I suppose that only one distinctive feature of such
> >> >> > traffic
> >> >> > exists: its ability to consume effective bandwidth.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you happen to know or use any traffic shaping tools which can
> >> >> > limit
> >> >> > throughput per user?
> >> >> > Thank you in advance for any thoghts, ideas etc...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[Data Technology]

I guess I was in a hurry and did not read it carefully.  I just read 
flag pole.
Sorry about that.

akel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> That's a regular flagpole.  When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and 
> radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole.
>
> I stoll assume that.
>
> You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video.
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Data Technology 
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
>
> Never say never !!  Take a look at the video on this web site.
> http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html
>
>
> lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>   
>> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole 
>> without a manlift or crane with a basket
>>
>> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two 
>> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand 
>> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard 
>> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can 
>> run thru the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or 
>> similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or 
>> special latches.
>>
>> Now the warning..
>>
>> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a 
>> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.  
>>
>> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they 
>> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install 
>> super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to 
>> return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.
>>
>> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow 
>> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.
>>
>> The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they 
>> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older 
>> poles they can be as much as $5K.
>>
>> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. 
>> When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can 
>> get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, 
>> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your 
>> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the 
>> install.
>>
>> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and 
>> consider everything especially the unknown.
>>
>> Personally I would walk away.
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" 
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 
>> To: ; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
>>
>> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J 
>> mounts. On
>> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded 
>> studs
>> off the angle.
>>
>> Scott Carullo wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?  
>>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
>>>
>>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I can 
>>> shimmie that high lol
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> 321-205-1100 x102
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Brad Belton]

This throwback port design from the "Trango Summer Engineer Interns" Atlas
days is crap.  Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water pipe
cap on a carrier class radio.  The split rubber gland that is under this
metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well.  I'm glad you've been lucky with
your results, but inspecting these old style "weather proof" ports after a
period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration.  

It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't try
and defend their short comings.  It diminishes your objective credibility.
Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next
generation design.

The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from "the best type in the industry."
Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been
limited.  While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the fiber
port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket.
So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using Coax-Seal
from the compression ring to the outer jacket.  It seems Trango opted to
cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather than
a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5.

Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of
the radio rather than on the bottom.  This can make for a difficult if not
impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn
before hitting the mounting pipe.  Hopefully the next generation Apex radios
will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in accessible
locations.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

> I agree the execution of this port is
> poor at best.

Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the 
few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing 
bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends.
This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to

clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get 
damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same 
precautions.

If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within

a reasonable distance, which is easy enough.

>  I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as
> they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we
> run.

Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then
The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they

decided to use the best.
If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then 
drilling.
But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly.
(Thicker mohawk wont fit).

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port


> Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable 
> runs,
> so haven't used the fiber port yet.  I agree the execution of this port is
> poor at best.  I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as
> they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we
> run.
>
> I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to 
> a
> NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point.  We've 
> done
> this with our BridgeWave installations.
>
> I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
>
> Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to
> seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber /
> power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the
> base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting
> on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.
>
> I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango
> AP compression fitting.  It's a little heavy though, and I worry about
> the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting
> stripped out.
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[lakeland]

That's a regular flagpole.  When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and 
radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole.

I stoll assume that.

You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video.

Bob
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From: Data Technology 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

Never say never !!  Take a look at the video on this web site.
http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html


lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without 
> a manlift or crane with a basket
>
> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two 
> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand 
> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard 
> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can 
> run thru the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) 
> covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches.
>
> Now the warning..
>
> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a 
> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.  
>
> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they 
> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super 
> difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return 
> a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.
>
> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow 
> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.
>
> The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they 
> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older 
> poles they can be as much as $5K.
>
> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When 
> installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get 
> hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, 
> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your 
> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the 
> install.
>
> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and 
> consider everything especially the unknown.
>
> Personally I would walk away.
>
> Good Luck
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" 
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 
> To: ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
>
> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. 
> On
> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs
> off the angle.
>
> Scott Carullo wrote:
>   
>> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?  
>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
>>
>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I can 
>> shimmie that high lol
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Nick-
Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 
1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series 
http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc 

It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit 
more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port 
version.  Any experience with the 2810 series?  Thanks in advance.

`S

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new 
one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
(These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX 
per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 
necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 
on the backbone port, and sort through it.

But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for 
you, shortly..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
> same time. Thx for info.
>
> Thanks,
> 'S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>  wrote:
>
>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>
>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>> (w/ 4
>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>> monitoring
>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>
>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>> cant
>> label ports with names.
>>
>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>> range.  And
>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>
>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>> lacks a few
>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
>>
>>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>>> for
>>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[Jeremy Parr]

When are you writing you "how to mount anything on anything" book? We
have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself
to this elite group :-)

On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net  wrote:
> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole
> without a manlift or crane with a basket
>
> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two
> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand
> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard
> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can
> run thru the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or
> similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or
> special latches.
>
> Now the warning..
>
> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a
> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.
>
> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they
> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install
> super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to
> return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.
>
> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow
> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.
>
> The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they
> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older
> poles they can be as much as $5K.
>
> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble.
> When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can
> get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios,
> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your
> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the
> install.
>
> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and
> consider everything especially the unknown.
>
> Personally I would walk away.
>
> Good Luck
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" 
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56
> To: ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
>
> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J
> mounts. On
> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded
> studs
> off the angle.
>
> Scott Carullo wrote:
>> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?
>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
>>
>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I
>> can
>> shimmie that high lol
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Randy-
I don't see a need for that in our network - what practical applications would 
a PPPoE-based ISP have for MPLS?  I don't know much about the benefits of MPLS 
as I've never worked with it, thanks in advance.

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Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Do you want to do MPLS in the future?

On 1/11/2010 10:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for 
> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port units, 
> Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[Data Technology]

Never say never !!  Take a look at the video on this web site.
http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html


lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without 
> a manlift or crane with a basket
>
> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two 
> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand 
> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard 
> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can 
> run thru the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) 
> covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches.
>
> Now the warning..
>
> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a 
> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.  
>
> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they 
> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super 
> difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return 
> a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.
>
> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow 
> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.
>
> The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they 
> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older 
> poles they can be as much as $5K.
>
> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When 
> installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get 
> hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, 
> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your 
> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the 
> install.
>
> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and 
> consider everything especially the unknown.
>
> Personally I would walk away.
>
> Good Luck
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" 
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 
> To: ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
>
> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. 
> On
> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs
> off the angle.
>
> Scott Carullo wrote:
>   
>> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?  
>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
>>
>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I can 
>> shimmie that high lol
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> 321-205-1100 x102
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[lakeland]

Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a 
manlift or crane with a basket

The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two solid 
round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on 
end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open 
monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can run thru 
the sections.  The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers 
usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches.

Now the warning..

As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a 
stealth flagpole. The suck to work on.  

You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they 
are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super 
difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a 
day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down.

They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow 
awl or HD screwdriver for leverage.

The covers are VERY expensive.  The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they 
crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older poles 
they can be as much as $5K.

If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When 
installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung 
up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and 
mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be 
well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install.

When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and 
consider everything especially the unknown.

Personally I would walk away.

Good Luck

-B-
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 
To: ; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On
another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs
off the angle.

Scott Carullo wrote:
> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?  
> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
> 
> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I can 
> shimmie that high lol
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Tom DeReggi]

> I agree the execution of this port is
> poor at best.

Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the 
few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing 
bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends.
This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to 
clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get 
damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same 
precautions.

If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within 
a reasonable distance, which is easy enough.

>  I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as
> they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we
> run.

Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then
The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they 
decided to use the best.
If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then 
drilling.
But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly.
(Thicker mohawk wont fit).

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Belton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port


> Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable 
> runs,
> so haven't used the fiber port yet.  I agree the execution of this port is
> poor at best.  I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as
> they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we
> run.
>
> I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to 
> a
> NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point.  We've 
> done
> this with our BridgeWave installations.
>
> I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
>
> Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to
> seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber /
> power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the
> base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting
> on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.
>
> I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango
> AP compression fitting.  It's a little heavy though, and I worry about
> the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting
> stripped out.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Tom DeReggi]

Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a 
rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the 
case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough.

But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type 
you use.  We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same 
hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a 
great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get 
a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either 
CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data 
CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances.

(It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as 
seperate PVLANs, if desired)

So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to 
seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements. 
What we often do is we use 3ft of  Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor 
junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a 
cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.)

If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the 
outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch 
panel.  Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX.
This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with 
Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done 
on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls 
and such)

There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then 
each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable 
is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the 
hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can 
fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly 
into the APEX without any junctions inbetween.

We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber 
breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with 
conectors inside the APEX, I think.

It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not 
just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of 
sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature 
rating for Cold.  If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack 
internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and 
Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp 
rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp 
version.

So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so 
its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something 
called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware 
like HomeDepot.

We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type 
connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels 
were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine 
in most cases.

As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin 
inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will 
survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do 
that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to 
disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might 
break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful.
That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables 
to the APEX.

We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a 
pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly 
break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your 
situation.  But if you use conduit for the run,  we recommend Liqui-tight, 
its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up 
in the spool.

If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you 
can just cut a 6-10" peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base 
plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port


> Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to
> seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber /
> power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the
> base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting
> on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.
>
> I used 

Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Nick Olsen]

I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new 
one I'm liking is the 1810G-24
24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect..

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
(These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX 
per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 
necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 
on the backbone port, and sort through it.

But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for 
you, shortly..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
> same time. Thx for info.
>
> Thanks,
> 'S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>  wrote:
>
>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>
>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>> (w/ 4
>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>> monitoring
>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>
>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>> cant
>> label ports with names.
>>
>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>> range.  And
>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>
>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>> lacks a few
>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
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>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
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>>> for
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Cameron Kilton]

If you have pictures of your install, or anybody for that matter, I'm
sure we all would be interested in seeing them. I like seeing other
ideas that make my life easier...

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable
runs,
so haven't used the fiber port yet.  I agree the execution of this port
is
poor at best.  I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either
as
they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable
we
run.

I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio
to a
NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point.  We've
done
this with our BridgeWave installations.

I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing.

Best,


Brad

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Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to 
seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / 
power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the

base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting 
on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.

I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango 
AP compression fitting.  It's a little heavy though, and I worry about 
the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting 
stripped out.

-- 
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Vice President
InfoWest, Inc

435-674-0165 x 2010

http://www.infowest.com/

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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Brad Belton]

Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs,
so haven't used the fiber port yet.  I agree the execution of this port is
poor at best.  I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as
they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we
run.

I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a
NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point.  We've done
this with our BridgeWave installations.

I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing.

Best,


Brad

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Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to 
seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / 
power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the 
base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting 
on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.

I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango 
AP compression fitting.  It's a little heavy though, and I worry about 
the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting 
stripped out.

-- 
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Vice President
InfoWest, Inc

435-674-0165 x 2010

http://www.infowest.com/

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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 
(These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are 
similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX 
per port, not simultaneous.  For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be 
necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX 
on the backbone port, and sort through it.

But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for 
you, shortly..


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations


> Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch
> do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the
> same time. Thx for info.
>
> Thanks,
> ‘S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"
>  wrote:
>
>> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>>
>> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port
>> (w/ 4
>> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
>> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good
>> monitoring
>> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>>
>> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you
>> cant
>> label ports with names.
>>
>> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300
>> range.  And
>> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>>
>> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but
>> lacks a few
>> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
>>
>>
>>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>>> for
>>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
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[WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port

[Randy Cosby]

Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link.  Wondering what everyone does to 
seal up that port.  The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / 
power port to metal conduit.  Do you run conduit all the way back to the 
base?  Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting 
on the end?  Use flex?  Just curious.

I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango 
AP compression fitting.  It's a little heavy though, and I worry about 
the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting 
stripped out.

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Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Right.  We loose a few customers now and again because of it.  But those 
customers have a higher cost than income so what else does a guy do?

There are two things you want to do when in business right?  Turn a profit. 
Make sure that your competitor doesn't.

Off loading the high cost or high trouble customers does both.

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- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?


> OK, so your finding most wont or dont do it since they know they'll have 
> to
> pay for the bandwidth?
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
> wrote:
>
>> By stopping it before it starts  People here know what it'll do to
>> their
>> bill.
>>
>> Sometimes it happens anyway.  Usually people don't know it's happening.
>>
>> When we catch someone in the act we call them as soon as we can and see
>> what
>> they are up to.  If it's just a big download we let it go and people just
>> have to understand that that's going to happen from time to time.  Just
>> like
>> busy signals used to happen sometimes.
>>
>> If we can't get ahold of them to get them to stop or justify it, we leave 
>> a
>> message on the phone and block them till they call.
>>
>> Better to piss off one customer than 40...
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
>>
>>
>> > Marlon, as you know I've been a proponent of usage based billing since
>> > I've
>> > been in broadband. But, whether you bill for it or not, PTP still eats 
>> > up
>> > the AP to the point it slows it down for everyone. How do you get 
>> > around
>> > that?
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hiya Roman,
>> >>
>> >> We bill per bit.  That way we don't care what the customer is doing, 
>> >> all
>> >> we're worried about is how much they uses.  Run edonkey and you'll get
>> an
>> >> extra bill.  Download Netflix and you'll get an extra bill etc.
>> >>
>> >> MOST of the time we catch virus's for our customers.  It's actually a
>> >> pretty
>> >> good sales tool.  Netflix is changing that somewhat though.
>> >> marlon
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Roman" 
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:34 AM
>> >> Subject: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Dear readers,
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you have any experience with successful blocking of P2P (eDonkey,
>> >> > Torrents etc.) traffic in your wireless networks?
>> >> >
>> >> > Any user who uses torrent client at his PC can effectively consume a
>> >> > lot
>> >> > of
>> >> > bandwidth of Wi-Fi access point, leaving other honest users with 
>> >> > small
>> >> > portion of throughput. Port blocking does not help because nowadays
>> P2P
>> >> > clients use random ports, encryption and other means to hide traffic
>> >> > patterns. I suppose that only one distinctive feature of such 
>> >> > traffic
>> >> > exists: its ability to consume effective bandwidth.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you happen to know or use any traffic shaping tools which can 
>> >> > limit
>> >> > throughput per user?
>> >> > Thank you in advance for any thoghts, ideas etc...
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Randy Cosby]

Do you want to do MPLS in the future?

On 1/11/2010 10:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for 
> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port units, 
> Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Curtis Maurand]

also Adtran NetVanta 1534 Its 24 port The command line is identical to 
Cisco and it has a web gui.  Its about 1300.00 ($2200 if you want the 
POE version.) from CDW, but it also has a lifetime warranty.

--Curtis

On 1/12/2010 8:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
> The command line structure is very similar to Cisco so a very minimal
> learning curve if you're used to the Cisco command line, plus you can do
> basic management with a web interface. They port mirror multiple ports
> to one port which is nice. They've been rock solid for us, we've been
> using them for 2 years non-stop and not one failure...and these are
> units we bought off of ebay used. Go the ebay route, much cheaper then
> buying new. Ironically, one of the switches we placed 2 years ago was
> because a Cisco switch died. Personally, I'm not a fan of Cisco, I think
> most of their stuff is overpriced.
>
> Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>
>> I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and 
>> that led me to the hps- why do you like them better?  Thx.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ‘S
>>
>> ---
>> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, "Bret 
>> Clark"mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>  wrote:
>>
>> HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I 
>> think they are better for less cost.
>>
>>
>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Cisco 2970
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
>> <sc...@velociter.net>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>> for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48
>> port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Scott
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Curtis Maurand]

NetGear *GS748TS-100NAS

***

You can probably find it for less than I did.  Its 48 port and 988 
through biz.tigerdirect.com

Also here's a list.

http://www.javvin.com/packetdoc/PortMonitoringSwitch.html

Cheers,
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> I'll second the ProCurve.  I just bought a batch of them at a very
> reasonable price.  Solid Product.  One note, if you want to use any of
> the really tricky configuration features, you have to do it in command
> line mode (easy).  Otherwise, monitoring and control from either the
> web interface or snmp is good.
>
> Marco
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Bret Clark  wrote:
>
>> HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I
>> think they are better for less cost.
>>
>>
>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Cisco 2970
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
>> for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48
>> port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Scott
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?

[jree...@18-30chat.net]

I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On
another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs
off the angle.

Scott Carullo wrote:
> I will need to...  can you share with me how it is configured inside?  
> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there.
> 
> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower?  Not sure I can 
> shimmie that high lol
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Bret Clark]

The command line structure is very similar to Cisco so a very minimal 
learning curve if you're used to the Cisco command line, plus you can do 
basic management with a web interface. They port mirror multiple ports 
to one port which is nice. They've been rock solid for us, we've been 
using them for 2 years non-stop and not one failure...and these are 
units we bought off of ebay used. Go the ebay route, much cheaper then 
buying new. Ironically, one of the switches we placed 2 years ago was 
because a Cisco switch died. Personally, I'm not a fan of Cisco, I think 
most of their stuff is overpriced.

Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
> I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that 
> led me to the hps- why do you like them better?  Thx.
>
> Thanks,
> ‘S
>
> ---
> Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!)
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, "Bret Clark" 
> mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:
>
> HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I 
> think they are better for less cost.
>
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> Cisco 2970
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
> <sc...@velociter.net> 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
> for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48
> port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Marco Coelho]

I'll second the ProCurve.  I just bought a batch of them at a very
reasonable price.  Solid Product.  One note, if you want to use any of
the really tricky configuration features, you have to do it in command
line mode (easy).  Otherwise, monitoring and control from either the
web interface or snmp is good.

Marco

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Bret Clark  wrote:
> HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I
> think they are better for less cost.
>
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> Cisco 2970
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
> for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48
> port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
>
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Scott Vander Dussen]

I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that 
led me to the hps- why do you like them better?  Thx.

Thanks,
‘S

---
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On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, "Bret Clark" 
mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:

HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I 
think they are better for less cost.


Gino Villarini wrote:

Cisco 2970

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


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<sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:



Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking
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port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!

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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch  
do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the  
same time. Thx for info.

Thanks,
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On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, "Tom DeReggi"  
 wrote:

> Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.
>
> SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port  
> (w/ 4
> fiber module ports) model is about $750.
> It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good  
> monitoring
> stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)
>
> SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you  
> cant
> label ports with names.
>
> Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300  
> range.  And
> there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.
>
> NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but  
> lacks a few
> VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
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>> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking  
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>> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port
>> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
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>> Scott
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Bret Clark]

HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's,
but I think they are better for less cost. 


Gino Villarini wrote:

  Cisco 2970

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On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen"  
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Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking  
for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48  
port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!

Thanks in advance,
Scott



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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Gino Villarini]

Cisco 2970

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On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen"  
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> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking  
> for recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48  
> port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
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> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
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Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations

[Tom DeReggi]

Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info.

SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 
fiber module ports) model is about $750.
It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring 
stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc)

SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant 
label ports with names.

Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range.  And 
there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type.

NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few 
VLAN features, but allows ports to have names..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Scott Vander Dussen" 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations


> Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for 
> recommendations on good reliable equipment.  Will need 24 and 48 port 
> units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must!
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> Thanks in advance,
> Scott
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