Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Scottie Arnett]

I am behind on reading the messages, so I am behind. 
 This company had 
already built out FTTH in our service area. They had also received protest from 
Comcast in their proposed area. It did not affect anything! Comcast is offering 
3X NCTC's bandwidth until this order. One thing you will find surprising is 
that the former General Manager of North Central was Thomas Rowland and 
Director F. Thomas Rowland was
named Secretary-Treasurer http://www.rtfc.coop/information/pdf/CC_spring03.pdf. 
AND http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-144567858.html AND 
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-144567858.html. WTF?

Scott




-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:22:30 -0400

>Way to go Matt!
>
>On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists  
>wrote:
>> I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and
>> none of them were funded.
>>
>> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of
>> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all
>> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was
>> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot
>> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>>>
>>> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the lowest 
>>> $"
>>> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
>>> those new users
>>> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
>>> applies for my area, I
>>> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
>>> about
>>> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. Not 
>>> good
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
 will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
 their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
 "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
 per second".

 The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
 That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.

 Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
 Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
 or 5 provider choices.

 Let the waste begin :(

 Travis
 Microserv




 
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Scottie Arnett]

Yep, same here. Much smaller than you: 
http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html

They had already built out FTH on all the areas we cover. They also asked for 
money to expand out into areas already covered by Comcast and what they already 
covered with slower speeds(Comcast disputed), which I think is not right! The 
BBS is bunch of freaking bull, without the real investigations into this...But 
I digress, In the FCC, no-one exist but the cable and the telco companies? It 
is a duoploy and it is not going to be changed anytime soon, I hope I am wrong!

Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: Travis Johnson 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:02:05 -0600

>Hi,
>
>So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money 
>will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade 
>their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and 
>"upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes 
>per second".
>
>The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers. 
>That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>
>Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot, 
>Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4 
>or 5 provider choices.
>
>Let the waste begin :(
>
>Travis
>Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[Scottie Arnett]

This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking 
for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:51:26 -0400

>I probably wont get to it today, but I'll find the google earth overlay that 
>I had that showed it, and post it to the list shortly.
>
>Tom DeReggi
>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Randy Cosby" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Could you give us a hint how we would find this info?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>> It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel 
>>> availabilty
>>> in their areas, and determine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their
>>> territory or not.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "John Scrivner"
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct.
 Every
 television channel has available 6 MHz of bandwidth and can be modulated
 with the same amount of data regardless of where the channel resides in
 the
 VHF or UHF frequency bands. The limiting factor for these lowest VHF
 channels is the overall higher noise level which is certainly an issue 
 but
 not a deal killer for us. I am guessing that our use of the lowest VHF
 channels would require more forward error correction to provide high
 quality
 service. In my opinion this is a minor annoyance to be able to have
 coverage
 to 100% of my potential customer base.
 John Scrivner


 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:


> Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work.  What 
> channel
> width are you going to need to have a usable system.  I mean in the VHF
> band
> of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to 
> clock
> the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving
> customers more bandwidth and faster service.  Yes it would cut through
> trees
> and I would love it.  But at 2-3X dialup speed?
>
> The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your 
> penetration
> (>800 Mhz).
>
> Someone enlighten me here.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
> Awesome report!  Thanks.
> Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a
> turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS
> rural
> market.  At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse
> any
> channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense.  I know some 
> of
> the
> discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna 
> would
> look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so.  A TV antenna is
> by
> necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of
> frequencies.  A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built 
> to
> blend with the aesthetics of a home or business.  Heck, if this comes 
> to
> pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203 
> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting  239.770.6203  end_of_the_skype_highlighting
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
> This is a great report good job guys and thank you.
>
> Next question.  I don't know any of the team personally just from your
> posts.  The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to
> right.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of J

[WISPA] Updates to Member's Directory and Map

[Rick Harnish]

I just completed an update of the Member 
's Directory.  Please review it and let me know if I have mistakenly missed
your company.

 

Also, check the Google Map either on the Member's Directory Page or at
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identified.  If not, please send me Company Name, Address, City, State, Zip
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[St. Louis Broadband]

Template posted for Service Providers protesting applications:
http://www2.ntia.doc.gov/ServiceProviderResponses

V

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and 
none of them were funded.

Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of 
the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all 
worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was 
pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot 
of stupid, wasteful applications.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> 
>
>
> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>
> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the lowest
$"
> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
> those new users
> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
> applies for my area, I
> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS
about
> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems.
Not good
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
>> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
>> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
>> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
>> per second".
>>
>> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
>> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>>
>> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
>> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
>> or 5 provider choices.
>>
>> Let the waste begin :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Stuart Pierce]

Tell me about it.

-- Original Message --
From: Bret Clark 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:49:39 -0400

>Yeah...one of the colleges in our state is trying for stimulus money in 
>round 2 to wire-up the entire state, then specifically mentions a town 
>in which we already have service in as being one of the first locations 
>that would be wired from the stimulas! What the @#$% is a college doing 
>getting into the ISP business and why are they @#$% trying to put local 
>ISP's out of business?!?!?!
>
>I might as just well move my business to China...competition is probably 
>fairer there! November can't come soon enough!
>
>Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> We protested a project out here.
>>
>> A fiber build with wireless overlay.
>>
>> There is already fiber, DSL AND wireless.
>>
>> The project was funded anyway.
>>
>> It's not about the consumer folks  And it's CERTAINLY NOT about using 
>> OUR money efficiently.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste
>>
>>
>>   
>>> I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and
>>> none of them were funded.
>>>
>>> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of
>>> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all
>>> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was
>>> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot
>>> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>>>
>>> Matt Larsen
>>> vistabeam.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>> 
 


 Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.

 Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the 
 lowest $"
 I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
 those new users
 will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
 applies for my area, I
 manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
 about
 upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. 
 Not good


 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

   
> Hi,
>
> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
> per second".
>
> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>
> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
> or 5 provider choices.
>
> Let the waste begin :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] email issues

[jp]

Many customers have shared their passwords with webmail phishers. (who want to 
use their 
webmail accounts).

We have squirrelmail webmail for our users.

We had a bunch of with people from nigeria entering into our customers' webmail 
accounts.

We installed the restrict sender plugin from the squirrelmail homepage, set it 
to limit 
the number of messages per day per sender to something reasonable our customers 
are 
not normally apt to hit. Just like magic, the spammers went elsewhere real 
quick.



On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 09:01:21AM -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I had problems with hi-jacked email accounts for months until I finally
> traced it to the webmail interface. Turned off webmail and have not had a
> problem since. Apparently you do not have to have the correct password to
> spam from the webmail so I just turned it off. Plus that took care of
> another problem were customers were not downloading their mail from the
> server and just using webmail exclusively.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] email issues
> 
> I've got a client whose email (mkfa...@kywifi.com) appears to have
> been hijacked for spamming purposes. I'm not sure what to do about it.
> Sample email below. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! -RickG
> 
> ***
> 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> Subject: Delivery failure
> 
> 
> > Message from yahoo.co.jp.
> > Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
> >
> > :
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test

[RickG]

Similar issue here. Locked down the port to 100Mbps and fixed it.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> We had a 50 Meg pipe that was showing much slower download speeds and
> half of what we were supposed to get on upload. Our Cisco was
> mistakenly configured to auto negotiate which we corrected and that
> fixed the upload. We then found a router on our upstream's network
> which was also auto negotiating. They hard coded it and that took care
> of the download. From what I understand, with a pipe that size auto
> negotiate is the main problem. To show that this was truly the
> problem, I unplugged our network andplugged my laptop directly to my
> upstream. With auto on, the speed was half. When I hard coded it to
> full and 100 I was at 95% of quoted speed. I will find the test we
> were using because it showed duplex mismatch and other issues above
> our network.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>> Jeremie, Can you expound on that a little, where it was how you
>> found it.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test
>>
>> I had the same issue with some duplex mismatch which showed slow
>> speeds.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:47 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking Chuck or Gerard at Shelby Broadband. With that said, who
>>> is your upstream? They may have a test site. -RickG
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steve Barnes 
>>> wrote:
 Sorry forgot to change subject line.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



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 area with a Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth
 test?  I need to test a 50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our
 network.  Inside its fine but to all outside speedtest.net sites I
 get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a issue at my upstream
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test

[Jeremie Chism]

We had a 50 Meg pipe that was showing much slower download speeds and  
half of what we were supposed to get on upload. Our Cisco was  
mistakenly configured to auto negotiate which we corrected and that  
fixed the upload. We then found a router on our upstream's network  
which was also auto negotiating. They hard coded it and that took care  
of the download. From what I understand, with a pipe that size auto  
negotiate is the main problem. To show that this was truly the  
problem, I unplugged our network andplugged my laptop directly to my  
upstream. With auto on, the speed was half. When I hard coded it to  
full and 100 I was at 95% of quoted speed. I will find the test we  
were using because it showed duplex mismatch and other issues above  
our network.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> Jeremie, Can you expound on that a little, where it was how you  
> found it.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test
>
> I had the same issue with some duplex mismatch which showed slow  
> speeds.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:47 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking Chuck or Gerard at Shelby Broadband. With that said, who
>> is your upstream? They may have a test site. -RickG
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steve Barnes   
>> wrote:
>>> Sorry forgot to change subject line.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky
>>> area with a Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth
>>> test?  I need to test a 50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our
>>> network.  Inside its fine but to all outside speedtest.net sites I
>>> get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a issue at my upstream
>>> provider.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test

[Steve Barnes]

Jeremie, Can you expound on that a little, where it was how you found it.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test

I had the same issue with some duplex mismatch which showed slow speeds.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:47 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I'm thinking Chuck or Gerard at Shelby Broadband. With that said, who
> is your upstream? They may have a test site. -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Sorry forgot to change subject line.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>>
>> Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky  
>> area with a Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth  
>> test?  I need to test a 50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our  
>> network.  Inside its fine but to all outside speedtest.net sites I  
>> get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a issue at my upstream  
>> provider.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Chuck Hogg]

Yes.  That is correct.  They have unreleased docs for 70%, but said that
really I should take it down and rebuild it.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

Chuck,
I guess I should have read all of you post.  I now see that you 
mentioned that you found the 120' requirement but were looking for 
engineering for closer spacing.


Data Technology wrote:
> All Rohn tower books I have had show 80% of vertical height for the 
> anchor post.  On some towers/heights they go to 2 sets of anchor
posts.
> Even the brochure they have on their site still shows that, 120' for 
> 150' tall tower with 5 sets of guys.
>
http://www.rohnnet.com/resourcesmodule/download_resource/id/511/src/@ran
dom48eced0c124b9/
>
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>   
>> Myself included, nobody wants to climb it.  I'm just trying to see if
>> there is any documentation that says this can be done.  Obviously it
was
>> some idiot that put it up...which is why I'm trying to see if it can
>> even be safely engineered with anchors at these positions.
>>
>> FWIW, I contacted Radian/Rohn.  They said because of the new Rev G
>> standard, they do not release any documentation for this type of
>> application.  At a minimum, it should be 70% of the height.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Blake Bowers
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
>>
>>   SHUDDER 
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
>>> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the
anchors
>>> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
>>> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51',
>>> 
>>>   
>> and
>>   
>> 
>>> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used
>>> 
>>>   
>> to
>>   
>> 
>>> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy
>>> 
>>>   
>> wires,
>>   
>> 
>>> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this
document,
>>> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
>>> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
>>> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used
to
>>> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
>>> option.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>>>
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com 
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test

[Jeremie Chism]

I had the same issue with some duplex mismatch which showed slow speeds.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:47 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I'm thinking Chuck or Gerard at Shelby Broadband. With that said, who
> is your upstream? They may have a test site. -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Sorry forgot to change subject line.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>>
>> Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky  
>> area with a Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth  
>> test?  I need to test a 50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our  
>> network.  Inside its fine but to all outside speedtest.net sites I  
>> get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a issue at my upstream  
>> provider.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Data Technology]

Chuck,
I guess I should have read all of you post.  I now see that you 
mentioned that you found the 120' requirement but were looking for 
engineering for closer spacing.


Data Technology wrote:
> All Rohn tower books I have had show 80% of vertical height for the 
> anchor post.  On some towers/heights they go to 2 sets of anchor posts.
> Even the brochure they have on their site still shows that, 120' for 
> 150' tall tower with 5 sets of guys.
> http://www.rohnnet.com/resourcesmodule/download_resource/id/511/src/@random48eced0c124b9/
>
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>   
>> Myself included, nobody wants to climb it.  I'm just trying to see if
>> there is any documentation that says this can be done.  Obviously it was
>> some idiot that put it up...which is why I'm trying to see if it can
>> even be safely engineered with anchors at these positions.
>>
>> FWIW, I contacted Radian/Rohn.  They said because of the new Rev G
>> standard, they do not release any documentation for this type of
>> application.  At a minimum, it should be 70% of the height.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Blake Bowers
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
>>
>>   SHUDDER 
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
>>> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
>>> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
>>> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51',
>>> 
>>>   
>> and
>>   
>> 
>>> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used
>>> 
>>>   
>> to
>>   
>> 
>>> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy
>>> 
>>>   
>> wires,
>>   
>> 
>>> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
>>> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
>>> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
>>> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
>>> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
>>> option.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>>>
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[RickG]

Chuck, which WISP did you buy? Just curious. -RickG

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>
>
>
> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
> option.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>
> http://www.shelbybb.com 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Data Technology]

All Rohn tower books I have had show 80% of vertical height for the 
anchor post.  On some towers/heights they go to 2 sets of anchor posts.
Even the brochure they have on their site still shows that, 120' for 
150' tall tower with 5 sets of guys.
http://www.rohnnet.com/resourcesmodule/download_resource/id/511/src/@random48eced0c124b9/


Chuck Hogg wrote:
> Myself included, nobody wants to climb it.  I'm just trying to see if
> there is any documentation that says this can be done.  Obviously it was
> some idiot that put it up...which is why I'm trying to see if it can
> even be safely engineered with anchors at these positions.
>
> FWIW, I contacted Radian/Rohn.  They said because of the new Rev G
> standard, they do not release any documentation for this type of
> application.  At a minimum, it should be 70% of the height.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Blake Bowers
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
>
>   SHUDDER 
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help
>
>
>   
>> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
>> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
>> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
>> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>>
>>
>>
>> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51',
>> 
> and
>   
>> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used
>> 
> to
>   
>> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy
>> 
> wires,
>   
>> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
>> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
>> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
>> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
>> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
>> option.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck Hogg
>>
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>>
>> http://www.shelbybb.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Seems reliable enough to me, have not had a problem with one yet.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Cole
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

Kurt,

Are they reliable?   They seem to be much lower cost compared to 
what we've used previously (Snaptec).

Pat

Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 08:54:03AM -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


> This should fix your 12v site problem.
> 
> http://www.zahninc.com/
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Cole
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5
> 
> Phil,
> 
> The units we had would not boot unless they were powered using 48V.
> This also caused us some dramas since our sites had 12V supplies
> predominantly.   The spec sheet of the radio lists a wide input
> voltage but acording to support our hardware required the 48.
> 
> The radios were definitely branded Mikrotik from my memory.
> 
> Pat
> 
> Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:37:55AM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote:
> 
> 
> > Actually it is a Ubiquti radio and the power supply does not need to
> > be 48 volts, 9-48 works fine for the Gateworks board (Avila GW2348-2).
> >  We had moisture get in the ethernet jack and burn the pins when it
> > was using 48 volts, so we switched to a Ubiquti 15 volt adapter and
> > have not had any problems yet.
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Patrick Cole  wrote:
> > > I would steer well clear of that UBNT bridge for something as critical
> > > as you describe.  At the price point it just screams disaster.
> > >
> > > I've not used the Ligowave MIMO radios however I have used the LigoPTP
> 5-N
> > > and I was a little disappointed.  The lack of QoS is a definite
> negative.
> > >
> > > We had one of the endpoints on the link burn out and die within 2
> months.
> > >
> > > I also had major problems with the encryption on them, which support
> > > never seemed to be able to resolve.    When they try to link up,
> > > it could take like a minute and other times it might take 20 minutes
> > > before the link establishes with encryption on.  Unacceptable in
> > > a carrier network.
> > >
> > > They do however perform at the advertised 70Mbps real world throughput
> > > in a 40MHz channel and the PPS performance is good.
> > >
> > > If you crack open the 5-N you actually see it has a Mikrotik badged
> > > radio in it.
> > >
> > > I have a pair of Proxim Tsunami QB-8100 bridges on the way for
> > > testing.  I didn't get much feedback from the list about how these
> > > go, but having looked through the manual, they seem extremely
> > > configurable and excellent QoS features; they even have the ability
> > > to inspect the contents of PPPoE frames and match on the IP packet
> > > inside.   I will let you know how they turn out.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:45:23AM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> OK I just got off the phone with a salesman that was discouraging me
> away from UBNT rockets for this link. I will be running 4 towers through
> this link with 270 clients.  His concern was that they had learned of a
> 20,000 packet per sec limit compared to Ligowave @ 75,000 packets.  Now I
am
> looking at going to VOIP and the Packet count is going to be huge.  Is
this
> a legit concern. How can you find Rocket Packet ability.
> > >>
> > >> Steve Barnes
> > >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test

[RickG]

I'm thinking Chuck or Gerard at Shelby Broadband. With that said, who
is your upstream? They may have a test site. -RickG

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Sorry forgot to change subject line.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
>
> Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky area with a 
> Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth test?  I need to test 
> a 50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our network.  Inside its fine but to 
> all outside speedtest.net sites I get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a 
> issue at my upstream provider.
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Chuck Hogg]

Myself included, nobody wants to climb it.  I'm just trying to see if
there is any documentation that says this can be done.  Obviously it was
some idiot that put it up...which is why I'm trying to see if it can
even be safely engineered with anchors at these positions.

FWIW, I contacted Radian/Rohn.  They said because of the new Rev G
standard, they do not release any documentation for this type of
application.  At a minimum, it should be 70% of the height.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

  SHUDDER 


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help


> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>
>
>
> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51',
and
> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used
to
> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy
wires,
> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
> option.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>
> http://www.shelbybb.com 
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.rohnnet.com/

They are very helpful folks.  I pieced together stuff for a gin pole for
rohn25 not too long ago with their help.

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Chuck Hogg wrote:
> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>
>  
>
> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
> option. 
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>
> http://www.shelbybb.com 
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Re: [WISPA] email issues

[Justin Wilson]

 We do a combination of the following across networks:

-Greylisting
-Customers can only talk to certain mail servers on port 25.  We
encourage them to use port 587 for out of network access.
-Set inbound and outbound limits on our routers in regards to port 25
traffic and to mail server(s). X number of connections in X number of
seconds.
-Router rules that block the most common virus ports.  Its amazing how
many people get 10 year old viruses still.
-In-bound spam & Virus filtering (who doesn¹t).  Testing purplehat.org
as a barracuda replacement.
-Limit customer CPE to x number of connections.

All of this locks down the network quite well.  It will cause some
support calls but it will be worth it.

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Blake Bowers]

  SHUDDER 


Don't take your organs to heaven,
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Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help


> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>
>
>
> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
> option.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com 
>
> http://www.shelbybb.com 
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>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Data Technology]

Chuck,
Here is a link to their site.  Looks like they have changed the site but 
if you download the Rohn 25 brochure you will find what you are looking for.
http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-tower

LaRoy McCann
Data Technology

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
> towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
> (not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
> Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.
>
>  
>
> The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
> 44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
> have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
> etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
> and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
> placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
> documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
> support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
> option. 
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com  
>
> http://www.shelbybb.com  
>
>  
>
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Re: [WISPA] email issues

[Terry Hickey]

Actually, if you use MailScanner, you can watermark all messages originating 
at your server and toast any "undeliverables" that do not have the 
watermark. It works like a charm.

Terry

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] email issues


> We had a lot of that in the past.  It wasn't that their email was 
> hijacked,
> it was just that the spam bot was using our domain extension with random
> names as a return address.  When the spam was sent to an invalid email
> address, it was then bounced back to us since it was the return email.
>
> As Stuart said, not too much you can do except wait for it to go away.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:21 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] email issues
>
> I've had that happen to myself and to a couple of clients and just like a
> virus we had to let it run it's course. However we did put in a filter 
> rule
> to delete any undeliverables.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: RickG 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:17:27 -0400
>
>>I've got a client whose email (mkfa...@kywifi.com) appears to have
>>been hijacked for spamming purposes. I'm not sure what to do about it.
>>Sample email below. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! -RickG
>>
>>***
>>
>>From: 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>>Subject: Delivery failure
>>
>>
>>> Message from yahoo.co.jp.
>>> Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to danjiri_girl_san...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be
> delivered.
>>> This account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to ytktmm9...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to yuffieg...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> This user doesn't have a yahoo.co.jp account (y...@yahoo.co.jp) [-5]
>>>
>>> :
>>> This user doesn't have a yahoo.co.jp account
>>> (yukideschene7...@yahoo.co.jp) [-101]
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to yukiko_no...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to yukimatsuok...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered.
> This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to yukko_pudd...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. 
>>> This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to yumis...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> :
>>> Sorry your message to yuri...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>>
>>> --- Original message follows.
>>>
>>> X-YahooFilteredBulk: 190.253.243.200
>>> X-Originating-IP: [190.253.243.200]
>>> Return-Path: 
>>> Received-SPF: none ([190.253.243.200]: domain of mkfa...@kywifi.com does
>>> not designate permitted sender hosts)
>>> Authentication-Results: mta307.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp  from=kywifi.com;
>>> domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
>>> Received: from 190.253.243.200  (EHLO 190.253.243.200) (190.253.243.200)
>>>  by mta307.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp with SMTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:43:27
> +0900
>>> Received: from [221.6.75.79] (helo=wxtzlmdpwyl.macfszutaxwyb.org)
>>> by  with esmtpa (Exim 4.69)
>>> (envelope-from )
>>> id 1MMHK8-2919sz-YH
>>> for yukimatsuok...@yahoo.co.jp; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:43:25 -0500
>>> From: "Major Madrid" 
>>> To: ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> ,
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Please, conflrm you receipt
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:43:25 -0500
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>> boundary="=_aywkmxl_77_88_20"
>>> X-Priority: 3
>>> X-Mailer: iiparxz_54
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> <3391449688.0ero8bwt613...@graizgzokcruk.pumhvbedkrrtuh.info>
>>>
>>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="iso-8859-2"
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>> Express Chemist PharmacyBuy non-prescription treatmentsonline. Discreet.
> =
>>> UK & US registered.
>>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20
>>> Content-Type: text/html;
>>> charset="iso-8859-2"
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  charset=3Diso-8859-=
>>> 2">
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Express Chemist Pharmacy
>>>
>>> http://housewares04.spaces.live.com";>Buy
> =
>>> non-prescription treatments
>>> http://survival65.spaces.live.com";>online. Discreet. UK &
> =
>>> US registered.
>>> 
>>>
>>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20--
>>>
>>>
>>> *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED ***
>>
>>
>>--

Re: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Robert West]

Chuck,

A lot of us here are also on the TowerTalk list...

http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/Towertalk

If you're not on it, you might want to ask there.  Those guys have been
invaluable to me in more ways than one.

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:53 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
(not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.

 

The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
option. 

 

Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com  

http://www.shelbybb.com  

 





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[WISPA] OT: Rohn 25G Tower Help

[Chuck Hogg]

We purchased a WISP and are doing tower maintenance on one of their
towers.  I was going to replace the guy wires, bolts, redo the anchors
(not a big fan of how it is done), install guy wire brackets, etc.
Essentially it is a complete overhaul of the tower.

 

The tower is 150' Rohn 25G.  The guy anchors are placed at 51', 51', and
44' from the base (can't be any more because of the lot).  Rohn used to
have a PDF document going over the requirements for anchors, guy wires,
etc. for different guy anchor positions.  I cannot find this document,
and all I can find is the standard one with the standard 120' anchor
placement from the base.  Do any of you have any recommendations or
documentation on how to figure out the correct materials to be used to
support this tower?  Moving the guy anchor positions out is not an
option. 

 

Regards,

Chuck Hogg

Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com  

http://www.shelbybb.com  

 




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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Randy Cosby]

Travis,

Do you have a link to the article, or to a list of upgrade areas?

Thanks,

Randy


On 4/7/2010 7:02 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
> per second".
>
> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>
> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
> or 5 provider choices.
>
> Let the waste begin :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
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[WISPA] Form 477

[Randy Cosby]

I know it's not Form 477 panic season, but I am just working on a few 
items in my database to get a cleaner count next time, and I ran across 
something I had not noticed before.

http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf

On page 26, it instructs:

"Include census tracts within your defined service territory (see 
instructions) that have no broadband customers.
   - Enter "0" in any cell that permits connections and also in the 
corresponding cell for percentage residential"

Anyone doing this?  This goes beyond what we've been doing, and would 
seem to require some more advanced coverage mapping to not only find our 
existing customers by census tract, but also all census tracts we CAN 
serve.  I believe this same data is what he broadband mapping folks will 
be looking for as well.

I guess I need to go "see instructions" to find out what exactly 
"service territory" means.

-- 
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435-674-0165 x 2010

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Re: [WISPA] Obama Eyes New Taxes, Fees for National Broadband Network

[Josh Luthman]

These are the same people...

http://stfunoo.be/?p=529

Skip to about a minute ahead if you want...
http://stfunoo.be/?p=818

In other words, I don't like it but I think those people are so clueless it
doesn't matter.

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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:09 AM, MDK  wrote:

> No.
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:08 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama Eyes New Taxes,Fees for National Broadband
> Network
>
> > Double-sigh! Not to feed the trolls but does anyone here think this is
> > a good thing?
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
> >>  Sigh..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/06/obama-administration-targets-inte
> >> rnet-taxation/?test=latestnews
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >> 419-562-6405
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Re: [WISPA] Obama Eyes New Taxes, Fees for National Broadband Network

[MDK]

No.

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:08 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama Eyes New Taxes,Fees for National Broadband 
Network

> Double-sigh! Not to feed the trolls but does anyone here think this is
> a good thing?
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>  Sigh..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/06/obama-administration-targets-inte
>> rnet-taxation/?test=latestnews
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Pat O'Connor]

Marlon was that the NoaNet build out?




Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> We protested a project out here.
>
> A fiber build with wireless overlay.
>
> There is already fiber, DSL AND wireless.
>
> The project was funded anyway.
>
> It's not about the consumer folks  And it's CERTAINLY NOT about using 
> OUR money efficiently.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste
>
>
>   
>> I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and
>> none of them were funded.
>>
>> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of
>> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all
>> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was
>> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot
>> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>>>
>>> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the 
>>> lowest $"
>>> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
>>> those new users
>>> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
>>> applies for my area, I
>>> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
>>> about
>>> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. 
>>> Not good
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Hi,

 So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
 will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
 their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
 "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
 per second".

 The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
 That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.

 Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
 Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
 or 5 provider choices.

 Let the waste begin :(

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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Bret Clark]

Yeah...one of the colleges in our state is trying for stimulus money in 
round 2 to wire-up the entire state, then specifically mentions a town 
in which we already have service in as being one of the first locations 
that would be wired from the stimulas! What the @#$% is a college doing 
getting into the ISP business and why are they @#$% trying to put local 
ISP's out of business?!?!?!

I might as just well move my business to China...competition is probably 
fairer there! November can't come soon enough!

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> We protested a project out here.
>
> A fiber build with wireless overlay.
>
> There is already fiber, DSL AND wireless.
>
> The project was funded anyway.
>
> It's not about the consumer folks  And it's CERTAINLY NOT about using 
> OUR money efficiently.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste
>
>
>   
>> I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and
>> none of them were funded.
>>
>> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of
>> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all
>> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was
>> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot
>> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>>
>> Matt Larsen
>> vistabeam.com
>>
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>>>
>>> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the 
>>> lowest $"
>>> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
>>> those new users
>>> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
>>> applies for my area, I
>>> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
>>> about
>>> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. 
>>> Not good
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Hi,

 So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
 will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
 their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
 "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
 per second".

 The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
 That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.

 Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
 Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
 or 5 provider choices.

 Let the waste begin :(

 Travis
 Microserv




 
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We protested a project out here.

A fiber build with wireless overlay.

There is already fiber, DSL AND wireless.

The project was funded anyway.

It's not about the consumer folks  And it's CERTAINLY NOT about using 
OUR money efficiently.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste


>I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and
> none of them were funded.
>
> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of
> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all
> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was
> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot
> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>>
>> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the 
>> lowest $"
>> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
>> those new users
>> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
>> applies for my area, I
>> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
>> about
>> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. 
>> Not good
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
>>> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
>>> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
>>> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
>>> per second".
>>>
>>> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
>>> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>>>
>>> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
>>> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
>>> or 5 provider choices.
>>>
>>> Let the waste begin :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Marlon K. Schafer]

giggle

Did you guys REALLY think this (the entire ARRA) was anything other than 
payback to the big companies that got Obama elected?  That and a way to 
force the USA into so much red ink that they'll "have" to tax us higher to 
ever be able to pay it back?

Silly silly boys.
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste


> 
>
>
> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>
> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the lowest 
> $"
> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
> those new users
> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
> applies for my area, I
> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
> about
> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. 
> Not good
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
>> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
>> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
>> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
>> per second".
>>
>> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
>> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>>
>> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
>> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
>> or 5 provider choices.
>>
>> Let the waste begin :(
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] email issues

[Robert West]

We had a lot of that in the past.  It wasn't that their email was hijacked,
it was just that the spam bot was using our domain extension with random
names as a return address.  When the spam was sent to an invalid email
address, it was then bounced back to us since it was the return email.  

As Stuart said, not too much you can do except wait for it to go away.

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Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] email issues

I've had that happen to myself and to a couple of clients and just like a
virus we had to let it run it's course. However we did put in a filter rule
to delete any undeliverables.

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:17:27 -0400

>I've got a client whose email (mkfa...@kywifi.com) appears to have
>been hijacked for spamming purposes. I'm not sure what to do about it.
>Sample email below. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! -RickG
>
>***
>
>From: 
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>Subject: Delivery failure
>
>
>> Message from yahoo.co.jp.
>> Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to danjiri_girl_san...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be
delivered.
>> This account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to ytktmm9...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yuffieg...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> This user doesn't have a yahoo.co.jp account (y...@yahoo.co.jp) [-5]
>>
>> :
>> This user doesn't have a yahoo.co.jp account
>> (yukideschene7...@yahoo.co.jp) [-101]
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yukiko_no...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yukimatsuok...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered.
This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yukko_pudd...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yumis...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yuri...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> --- Original message follows.
>>
>> X-YahooFilteredBulk: 190.253.243.200
>> X-Originating-IP: [190.253.243.200]
>> Return-Path: 
>> Received-SPF: none ([190.253.243.200]: domain of mkfa...@kywifi.com does
>> not designate permitted sender hosts)
>> Authentication-Results: mta307.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp  from=kywifi.com;
>> domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
>> Received: from 190.253.243.200  (EHLO 190.253.243.200) (190.253.243.200)
>>  by mta307.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp with SMTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:43:27
+0900
>> Received: from [221.6.75.79] (helo=wxtzlmdpwyl.macfszutaxwyb.org)
>> by  with esmtpa (Exim 4.69)
>> (envelope-from )
>> id 1MMHK8-2919sz-YH
>> for yukimatsuok...@yahoo.co.jp; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:43:25 -0500
>> From: "Major Madrid" 
>> To: ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Please, conflrm you receipt
>> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:43:25 -0500
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>> boundary="=_aywkmxl_77_88_20"
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-Mailer: iiparxz_54
>> Message-ID: <3391449688.0ero8bwt613...@graizgzokcruk.pumhvbedkrrtuh.info>
>>
>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="iso-8859-2"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> Express Chemist PharmacyBuy non-prescription treatmentsonline. Discreet.
=
>> UK & US registered.
>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20
>> Content-Type: text/html;
>> charset="iso-8859-2"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> 
>> 
>> > 2">
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Express Chemist Pharmacy
>>
>> http://housewares04.spaces.live.com";>Buy
=
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>> http://survival65.spaces.live.com";>online. Discreet. UK &
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Mike Hammett]

Knowing whom your provider is can be more important than the geography.


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From: "Steve Barnes" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:41 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

> Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky area with 
> a Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth test?  I need to 
> test a 50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our network.  Inside its fine 
> but to all outside speedtest.net sites I get 1/2 and I need to make sure 
> its not a issue at my upstream provider.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] email issues

[Mike Hammett]

Seems to be a problem with the specific webmail installation, and not 
webmail in general.

Hard drives are cheap, and I prefer IMAP to POP3 myself, so I don't really 
worry about customers leaving email on the server.


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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:01 AM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] email issues

> I had problems with hi-jacked email accounts for months until I finally
> traced it to the webmail interface. Turned off webmail and have not had a
> problem since. Apparently you do not have to have the correct password to
> spam from the webmail so I just turned it off. Plus that took care of
> another problem were customers were not downloading their mail from the
> server and just using webmail exclusively.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] email issues
>
> I've got a client whose email (mkfa...@kywifi.com) appears to have
> been hijacked for spamming purposes. I'm not sure what to do about it.
> Sample email below. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! -RickG
>
> ***
>
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> Subject: Delivery failure
>
>
>> Message from yahoo.co.jp.
>> Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to danjiri_girl_san...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be 
>> delivered.
>> This account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to ytktmm9...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yuffieg...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> This user doesn't have a yahoo.co.jp account (y...@yahoo.co.jp) [-5]
>>
>> :
>> This user doesn't have a yahoo.co.jp account
>> (yukideschene7...@yahoo.co.jp) [-101]
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yukiko_no...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yukimatsuok...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. 
>> This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yukko_pudd...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yumis...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> :
>> Sorry your message to yuri...@yahoo.co.jp cannot be delivered. This
>> account has been disabled or discontinued [#102].
>>
>> --- Original message follows.
>>
>> X-YahooFilteredBulk: 190.253.243.200
>> X-Originating-IP: [190.253.243.200]
>> Return-Path: 
>> Received-SPF: none ([190.253.243.200]: domain of mkfa...@kywifi.com does
>> not designate permitted sender hosts)
>> Authentication-Results: mta307.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp  from=kywifi.com;
>> domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
>> Received: from 190.253.243.200  (EHLO 190.253.243.200) (190.253.243.200)
>>  by mta307.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp with SMTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:43:27 
>> +0900
>> Received: from [221.6.75.79] (helo=wxtzlmdpwyl.macfszutaxwyb.org)
>> by  with esmtpa (Exim 4.69)
>> (envelope-from )
>> id 1MMHK8-2919sz-YH
>> for yukimatsuok...@yahoo.co.jp; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:43:25 -0500
>> From: "Major Madrid" 
>> To: ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> ,
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Please, conflrm you receipt
>> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:43:25 -0500
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>> boundary="=_aywkmxl_77_88_20"
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-Mailer: iiparxz_54
>> Message-ID: <3391449688.0ero8bwt613...@graizgzokcruk.pumhvbedkrrtuh.info>
>>
>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="iso-8859-2"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> Express Chemist PharmacyBuy non-prescription treatmentsonline. Discreet. 
>> =
>> UK & US registered.
>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20
>> Content-Type: text/html;
>> charset="iso-8859-2"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> 
>> 
>> > charset=3Diso-8859-=
>> 2">
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Express Chemist Pharmacy
>>
>> http://housewares04.spaces.live.com";>Buy 
>> =
>> non-prescription treatments
>> http://survival65.spaces.live.com";>online. Discreet. UK & 
>> =
>> US registered.
>> 
>>
>> --=_aywkmxl_77_88_20--
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Mike Hammett]

Is there a map or listing of round 2 applicants?


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From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:02 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

> Hi,
>
> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
> per second".
>
> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>
> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
> or 5 provider choices.
>
> Let the waste begin :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
>
>
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[WISPA] Speed test

[Steve Barnes]

Sorry forgot to change subject line.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky area with a 
Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth test?  I need to test a 
50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our network.  Inside its fine but to all 
outside speedtest.net sites I get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a issue 
at my upstream provider.

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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Steve Barnes]

Does someone have a good connection in the Indiana Ohio Kentucky area with a 
Mikrotik who can setup a user for me to do a Bandwidth test?  I need to test a 
50 Meg fiber connection clear out of our network.  Inside its fine but to all 
outside speedtest.net sites I get 1/2 and I need to make sure its not a issue 
at my upstream provider.

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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[chris cooper]

The agencies will load the PFSA maps into BB USA.gov.  They will open a
30 day comment window and then service providers will be given the
opportunity to comment.  

Chris

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

Do you have the link to do the protests?

Travis
Microserv


Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and 
> none of them were funded.
>
> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most
of 
> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all 
> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was 
> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a
lot 
> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>   
>> 
>>
>>
>> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>>
>> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the
lowest $"
>> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
>> those new users
>> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
>> applies for my area, I
>> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some
BS about
>> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+
modems. Not good
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
>>> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to
upgrade
>>> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand
and
>>> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40
megabytes
>>> per second".
>>>
>>> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new
customers.
>>> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>>>
>>> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
>>> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some
have 4
>>> or 5 provider choices.
>>>
>>> Let the waste begin :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

[Patrick Cole]

Kurt,

Are they reliable?   They seem to be much lower cost compared to 
what we've used previously (Snaptec).

Pat

Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 08:54:03AM -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


> This should fix your 12v site problem.
> 
> http://www.zahninc.com/
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Cole
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5
> 
> Phil,
> 
> The units we had would not boot unless they were powered using 48V.
> This also caused us some dramas since our sites had 12V supplies
> predominantly.   The spec sheet of the radio lists a wide input
> voltage but acording to support our hardware required the 48.
> 
> The radios were definitely branded Mikrotik from my memory.
> 
> Pat
> 
> Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:37:55AM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote:
> 
> 
> > Actually it is a Ubiquti radio and the power supply does not need to
> > be 48 volts, 9-48 works fine for the Gateworks board (Avila GW2348-2).
> >  We had moisture get in the ethernet jack and burn the pins when it
> > was using 48 volts, so we switched to a Ubiquti 15 volt adapter and
> > have not had any problems yet.
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Patrick Cole  wrote:
> > > I would steer well clear of that UBNT bridge for something as critical
> > > as you describe.  At the price point it just screams disaster.
> > >
> > > I've not used the Ligowave MIMO radios however I have used the LigoPTP
> 5-N
> > > and I was a little disappointed.  The lack of QoS is a definite
> negative.
> > >
> > > We had one of the endpoints on the link burn out and die within 2
> months.
> > >
> > > I also had major problems with the encryption on them, which support
> > > never seemed to be able to resolve.    When they try to link up,
> > > it could take like a minute and other times it might take 20 minutes
> > > before the link establishes with encryption on.  Unacceptable in
> > > a carrier network.
> > >
> > > They do however perform at the advertised 70Mbps real world throughput
> > > in a 40MHz channel and the PPS performance is good.
> > >
> > > If you crack open the 5-N you actually see it has a Mikrotik badged
> > > radio in it.
> > >
> > > I have a pair of Proxim Tsunami QB-8100 bridges on the way for
> > > testing.  I didn't get much feedback from the list about how these
> > > go, but having looked through the manual, they seem extremely
> > > configurable and excellent QoS features; they even have the ability
> > > to inspect the contents of PPPoE frames and match on the IP packet
> > > inside.   I will let you know how they turn out.
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:45:23AM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> OK I just got off the phone with a salesman that was discouraging me
> away from UBNT rockets for this link. I will be running 4 towers through
> this link with 270 clients.  His concern was that they had learned of a
> 20,000 packet per sec limit compared to Ligowave @ 75,000 packets.  Now I am
> looking at going to VOIP and the Packet count is going to be huge.  Is this
> a legit concern. How can you find Rocket Packet ability.
> > >>
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> > >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I second wanting a link to do protests as well.

Kurt Fankhauser
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P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

Do you have the link to do the protests?

Travis
Microserv


Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
> I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and 
> none of them were funded.
>
> Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of 
> the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all 
> worked up about the "waste" until it finally comes to pass.   It was 
> pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot 
> of stupid, wasteful applications.
>
> Matt Larsen
> vistabeam.com
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>   
>> 
>>
>>
>> Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.
>>
>> Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? "Who can do X users for the
lowest $"
>> I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
>> those new users
>> will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
>> applies for my area, I
>> manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS
about
>> upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems.
Not good
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
>>> will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
>>> their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
>>> "upgrade the slower 7meg connections" to go up to "12 to 40 megabytes
>>> per second".
>>>
>>> The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
>>> That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.
>>>
>>> Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
>>> Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
>>> or 5 provider choices.
>>>
>>> Let the waste begin :(
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[Kurt Fankhauser]

The area you described below should be fit for this TV whitespace. However
in my area there are better options since we have far fewer trees. A
combination of 3.65ghz, 2.4ghz, and 900mhz will get me to every customer in
my area.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

You might have a lot of pigs, but I am guessing you haven't dealt with 
forest. I have areas where it takes a 200ft tower to mostly beat the 
foliage. And there are 150ft pine trees every 10-15ft everywhere. 
Customers have anywhere from 20 to 100 acre properties. Most customers 
cannot see their neighbors house. Also you can travel 1 mile in some 
areas and the elevation can change over 1000ft. The next major ridgeline 
or mountain is about every 4 miles.

900mhz with clean spectrum does not work in most of these areas at less 
than 1 mile. Whitespace will make it so a lot of houses in the rural 
areas around here (Northern California) can get Internet faster than 
28.8bps dialup.

Mike Hammett wrote:
> On the contrary, with proper equipment availability, the band will be
quite 
> a benefit, but I suggest that we not underestimate the negatives and 
> overestimate the positives.
> 
> I would call myself rural, but not desolate.  ;-)  There's 2400 pigs on
this 
> property, no less than 100k pigs within a 1.5 mile radius, approximately
1M 
> pigs in the county.
> 
> Providing adequate current\next generation speeds to a 100 home
subdivision 
> or town is just as much of a pain due to foliage for me as it is for
anyone 
> else.  I'd much rather point a TV sector from an existing tower or two
than 
> construct an 80' tower to overcome foliage before I can use equipment in 
> legacy bands.  This method reduce the points of failure and permits more 
> sophisticated support systems (power backup, backhaul, security, etc.)
than 
> building little towers everywhere I want to serve a few houses.
> 
> It also allows me to reach into new markets before I can justify the cost
of 
> setting up a full tower using legacy bands.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Ryan Spott" 
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
> 
>> Mike,
>>
>> I would suggest that you not use this band if it does not meet your
needs. 
>> I
>> tend to not use 5.8 in my area as 5.8 does not meet my needs.
>>
>> Your needs appear to be different from mine.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So we're regressing to a bunch of high powered omnis?  Maybe I don't
>>> understand how much of a God-send sync is, but if it's that great, why
is
>>> the default Canopy setup 6x 60* sectors instead of a single omni?  (I'm 
>>> not
>>> saying sync is bad, I wish everything had sync).
>>>
>>> I don't really give a hoot about the higher power.  Regular power levels
>>> will give me the penetration I need.  I'll run out of mbit/s long before

>>> I
>>> run out of dB.  I am aware that more rural areas need the higher power. 
>>> As
>>> many people are looking to penetrate the foliage domain of a populated 
>>> town
>>> or subdivision as there are looking to traverse a sparse forest.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Ryan Spott" 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:02 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>>>
 At 20watts, you probably won't need a 15db antenna. :)

 With lightly licensed, you probably won't need a sector. (less
 interference).

 With GPS timing (ala moto/cell gear) you will have less
>>> self-interference.
 ryan

 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett
 wrote:

> My experience is mostly limited to the WISP market (though I'm not
> completely ignorant of other markets).  Innovation is always welcome,
>>> but
> any sector that delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi 
> performance
> is
> going to be huge.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Mike" 
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
>> Have you ever taken a really good look at an FM broadcast antenna?
>> Most
>> are
>> circula

Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

[Kurt Fankhauser]

This should fix your 12v site problem.

http://www.zahninc.com/


Kurt Fankhauser
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P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Cole
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT PowerBridgeM5

Phil,

The units we had would not boot unless they were powered using 48V.
This also caused us some dramas since our sites had 12V supplies
predominantly.   The spec sheet of the radio lists a wide input
voltage but acording to support our hardware required the 48.

The radios were definitely branded Mikrotik from my memory.

Pat

Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:37:55AM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote:


> Actually it is a Ubiquti radio and the power supply does not need to
> be 48 volts, 9-48 works fine for the Gateworks board (Avila GW2348-2).
>  We had moisture get in the ethernet jack and burn the pins when it
> was using 48 volts, so we switched to a Ubiquti 15 volt adapter and
> have not had any problems yet.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Patrick Cole  wrote:
> > I would steer well clear of that UBNT bridge for something as critical
> > as you describe.  At the price point it just screams disaster.
> >
> > I've not used the Ligowave MIMO radios however I have used the LigoPTP
5-N
> > and I was a little disappointed.  The lack of QoS is a definite
negative.
> >
> > We had one of the endpoints on the link burn out and die within 2
months.
> >
> > I also had major problems with the encryption on them, which support
> > never seemed to be able to resolve.    When they try to link up,
> > it could take like a minute and other times it might take 20 minutes
> > before the link establishes with encryption on.  Unacceptable in
> > a carrier network.
> >
> > They do however perform at the advertised 70Mbps real world throughput
> > in a 40MHz channel and the PPS performance is good.
> >
> > If you crack open the 5-N you actually see it has a Mikrotik badged
> > radio in it.
> >
> > I have a pair of Proxim Tsunami QB-8100 bridges on the way for
> > testing.  I didn't get much feedback from the list about how these
> > go, but having looked through the manual, they seem extremely
> > configurable and excellent QoS features; they even have the ability
> > to inspect the contents of PPPoE frames and match on the IP packet
> > inside.   I will let you know how they turn out.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:45:23AM -0400, Steve Barnes wrote:
> >
> >
> >> OK I just got off the phone with a salesman that was discouraging me
away from UBNT rockets for this link. I will be running 4 towers through
this link with 270 clients.  His concern was that they had learned of a
20,000 packet per sec limit compared to Ligowave @ 75,000 packets.  Now I am
looking at going to VOIP and the Packet count is going to be huge.  Is this
a legit concern. How can you find Rocket Packet ability.
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>
> >>
> >>
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