[WISPA] Weather Sensors

2010-09-20 Thread Blair Davis
I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors... Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start. Other data would be useful as well. I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our webpage. Ideas? This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-

Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

2010-09-20 Thread Robert West
We door hang. For sure links, we hang a flyer on their door on the OUTSIDE of their mailbox Never the inside, bad mojo with the post office by putting INSIDE the box. We use the circle sticklers by Avery and print them up on the laser printer. Essentially. FREE! As Blair condensed

Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

2010-09-20 Thread Blair Davis
for us... Newspaper  -- 1  ...  24 weeks... 2 responses road signs  -- 5  if by this you mean yard signs like real estate agents use Direct mail  -- 9  But see below... demo trucks  -- never tried billboards  --  never tried word of mouth  --  9 We started direct mail this year...  But we do

Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-20 Thread Robert West
I have a customer who has a grass field with a Cessna 172 and permission to use it anytime. Both the field and the 172. I never have. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:58 PM To: WISPA General L

Re: [WISPA] Things i say to customers..... And they actually believe them............

2010-09-20 Thread Robert West
The reason the internets is slower upstairs is because they have to travel "UP" too far.. You should always have the cables horizontal. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:49 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Justin Wilson
Learn the limitations of them. That¹s the big lesson I learned years ago. The idea is you should have some ³bolt bags² on you as well. Use the bolt bags to hold tools which you are going to use immediately or near future and hold, what else, bolts and nuts. Most climbers do not take the kit

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
Thats my source as well. Gotta watch out for some of their stuff though! Cheap, and not in a good way :) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: > Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight > store! > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Do you have pockets on the side? I've never ever had mine tip. On Sep 20, 2010 11:11 PM, "Blake Bowers" wrote: Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight store! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign you...

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Blake Bowers
Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight store! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, Septemb

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
lol, you've already got "two big ones" if you climb towers :) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I'd suggest two big ones. I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow > if you would like. > > On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, "Blake Bowers" wrote: > > Round canvas bag. > > > >

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
I thought you were a 2 bit operator :P On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Robert West wrote: > I'm a 2 bit operation. > > Really. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
Well, thats what I've been using for years but like I said, I hate them when they collapse and you have to dig for the right tool. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Canvas buckets. No contest. > > On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, "RickG" wrote: > > I've been taking a round canvas

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Depends on the exactations set at time of original order. We sell a monthly service and guarantee that it will work. If it doesn;t work, they dont pay, or they switch providers. We also charge well for primary first install. We also have lots of wirelinbe competition that does not have risks of

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Josh Luthman
I'd suggest two big ones. I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow if you would like. On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, "Blake Bowers" wrote: Round canvas bag. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Origin

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Robert West
I'm a 2 bit operation. Really. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching There's a difference between a 2 bit

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Robert West
I use a canvas bag! One that the belt on the safety harness can go through to hold it onto my back. I also have a zippered canvas bag that I strap on as well. (Keep the drinks in that one!) But I love the big orange 5 gallon buckets for serious hauling things up. I just make sure

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Blake Bowers
Round canvas bag. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower tool bag > I've been

Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
They use asphalt up there? Here they just upgraded the local landing strips from dirt to crushed stone :) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Robert West wrote: > So… Does the FBO know this or will it be a surprise in the morning > with the first plane on final???!!! > > > > HA! > > > > > > >

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
Is your accountant a customer? If so, does he have trees? It would be interesting to test his theory on him:) Just sayin'... On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: > That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees. > Thanx > > > -- > From:

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
Ditto to all including this one! Had that happen the other day. They planted a tree right in front of the antenna! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > We don't charge if it is put in an obvious locationbut if they plant a > tree we charge $75. > Regards, > > Chuck > > > On M

Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Canvas buckets. No contest. On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, "RickG" wrote: I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 gal

Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
Ditto that! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Mark Nash wrote: > road signs - 7 > word of mouth - 6 but takes a long time > direct mail - 4 > service trucks - 3 > > The trick is to use multiple so that you get 3-4 (touches) to your > potential > client to gain a trust. > > - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Things i say to customers..... And they actually believe them............

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
LOL, BOB! That kinda like telling them that the cables cant be all twisted up or it slows down the bits :) On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West wrote: > Today, installing old lady so she can do the Facebook Farmville thing…….. > > > > She asks……. “If the service stops working, how do I f

[WISPA] tower tool bag

2010-09-20 Thread RickG
I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it h

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Mike Hammett
There's a difference between a 2 bit operation and 2 bit code. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/20/2010 6:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kel

Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-20 Thread Robert West
So… Does the FBO know this or will it be a surprise in the morning with the first plane on final???!!! HA! Depends on the landing strip. Rome Air Force Base, yes. Small county strip, heck no! Here in Ohio, most landing strips were just a mile of asphalt to start. Then

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Martha Huizenga
Us too. If it's our fault we don't charge. If they move to a new house, we actually either charge half of the install rate or free move for keeping the service. If they need to move it within the same house due to their liking, we charge an hourly rate. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Reed
Yep. The only way the accountant would have a say is if it is in the contract. Otherwise he needs to account for it the way you do it. On 9/20/2010 5:38 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Right, it's an operational/procedural issue. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
I believe that is called shoe and leather - yes ? On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: >> Just a heads up. >> Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Chuck Hogg
We don't charge if it is put in an obvious locationbut if they plant a tree we charge $75. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: > Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a > clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Josh Luthman
How hard is it to find packages for 2bit OSes? :p On Sep 20, 2010 7:51 PM, "Marco Coelho" wrote: Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Just a heads up. > Tho... > ---

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
lol Red Hat has not actually pushed anything out yet - even though others have... makes me wonder what they are thinking On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote

Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Marco Coelho
Thanks for the update. Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code! On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Just a heads up. > Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems > similar. > There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now >

[WISPA] Kernel Patching

2010-09-20 Thread Glenn Kelley
Just a heads up. Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems similar. There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these systems now labeled as CVE-2010-3081 In short The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457) describes an issu

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
We do pay attention to those variables. - Original Message - From: "Bret Clark" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment > We don't charge only because we are in a competitive environment and > sell to business that have contracts; thu

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Bret Clark
We don't charge only because we are in a competitive environment and sell to business that have contracts; thus we can charge more on the MTM rates. If you're the only game in town I see no reason why not to charge (might as well take advantage of being a monopoly), but if they could leave to g

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Right, it's an operational/procedural issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Mark Nash wrote: > This is not an accounting issue. > > Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said account

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
This is not an accounting issue. Unless you're married to or otherwise entangled with said accountant. Then it's an accounting issue. - Original Message - From: "~NGL~" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment >

Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
road signs - 7 word of mouth - 6 but takes a long time direct mail - 4 service trucks - 3 The trick is to use multiple so that you get 3-4 (touches) to your potential client to gain a trust. - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 2

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread ~NGL~
That was my thought, but the accountant disagrees. Thanx -- From: "Scott Reed" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment > Yep, trees = our fault, our cost. If they want it m

[WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

2010-09-20 Thread Marco Coelho
What have been the most effective Marketing or Advertising tools some of you have used? Rated 0-10, 0 being worst, 10 being Best For us: Newspaper Advertisement -- 0 Road Signs -- 7 Direct Mail -- 2 Demo Trucks -- 5 Billboards -- 3 Word of Mouth -- 7 -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Mark Nash
We don't charge for trees or something that should have been handled at the time of install. When we bill, we bill at $80/hr, 1/2 hr minimum, one-way drive time. - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WIS

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Jason Hensley
Basically same here for us, except that we charge a full install fee for moves. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Charge to

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Reed
Yep, trees = our fault, our cost. If they want it moved for aesthetics, etc., normal service rate. We do 1/2 price installs for customers that move. On 9/20/2010 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Same here. > > If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it > elsewhere, that's a c

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Same here. If they want it moved because it was on their barn and want it elsewhere, that's a charge. If it's simple tree growth, no charge. If our mounting falls off because of the wrong screw, no charge. Basically if it is our fault or poor foresight no charge but if they want something speci

Re: [WISPA] Things i say to customers..... And they actually believethem............

2010-09-20 Thread Jayson Baker
Shame on you for picking on the old lady! On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:55 PM, wrote: > Like > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: "Robert West" > Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:52:08 > To: WISPA General List > Reply-To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread Marco Coelho
If it's tree growth, no. That means we messed up during install. If the customers moves to a new house, we recharge the installation fee. Marco On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: > Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a > clients location, because the

[WISPA] Charge to move equipment

2010-09-20 Thread ~NGL~
Do you charge when you have to relocate and rewire the equipment at a clients location, because the trees have grown to a point where the signal is very weak? If so at what rate? NGL -- From: "Chris Gotstein" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19

Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

2010-09-20 Thread Chris Gotstein
Thanks guys! Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 9/20/2010 3:14 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: > DA5W-29-DP-FEED > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: >> I'm having a h

Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

2010-09-20 Thread Data Technology
I think this is what you want. http://store.wisp-router.com/catalog/partdetail.aspx?partno=DA5W-29-DP-FEED On 9/20/2010 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns. Anyone > have a part number for them? > > > Chris Gotstein,

Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Reed
See if this is what you are looking for http://reseller.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DA5W-32FEED-DP&eq=&Tp= On 9/20/2010 4:05 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns. Anyo

Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

2010-09-20 Thread Philip Dorr
DA5W-29-DP-FEED On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns.  Anyone > have a part number for them? > > > Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. > http://uplogon.com | +1 90

Re: [WISPA] Convert Single Pol to Dual Pol

2010-09-20 Thread Chris Gotstein
I'm having a heck of a time finding the dual pol feed horns. Anyone have a part number for them? Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 9/17/2010 5:42 PM, David E. Smith wrote: > > >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA Classified Ads

2010-09-20 Thread jp
Awesome; I thought it was just missing or broken before. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:27:18PM -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: > Thanks to Justin Wilson who helped format the WISPA Classified Ads page > so that the content is now at the top. > > > > Respectfully,

Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-20 Thread Bob Moldashel
If it is only 40' tall and there is not a huge amount of wind loading you can drill into the slab with a hammer drill and and secure threaded rod (galvanized or stainless) in the holes with Hilti HY epoxy. When drilling the holes in the epoxy bevel them slightly off center. That will hold it pr

Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-20 Thread Paul Hendry
The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the tower is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the concrete is already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way to go? _ Fr