Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Josh Luthman]

You should read a bit more.  Their presentation Thursday (maybe Wednesday?)
would have been a real eye opener for you.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

>  All this bickering reminds me why I have NOT joined WISPA yet. Do not get
> me wrong, I DO agree with the bickering going on from KY and OH about
> Connect "whatever state inserted here"!  Same as what is happening in TN!
>
> In my own opinion, WISPA is trying to play Big boy, with a front for big
> boy!  I have been on the general list for a long time following the steps
> that WISPA has taken. IN the last few years, my perception is they want to
> BOW DOWN to the FCC on issues that the Big Boys decide on most issues. They
> are playing second fiddle to what most of us actually want. We want someone
> to standup at the FCC and say, "HEY, there are other ISP's besides cable and
> telephone co's! We are serving as much or more of the digitally divided ppl
> than the telco's are cable co's ever thought about!
>
> Of course we can all pay our $250 or whatever to WISPA and it will all go
> to Steve Coran! He loves us all for fighting this. The bigger fight, the
> more he gets paid, whether we win or not. How about funding the Steve that
> used to be a WISP and later became a  lawyer. He knows what we are and what
> we stand for?
>
> Side step from my bitching about WISPA, I am tired of competing against
> money that you, I, and everyone else in the USA has paid in on taxes. Just
> take a look at my area and what I have to compete against,  I could give
> WISPA $100,000 and probably still not survive!
>
> Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative... got a total of $36 million in BIP/BTOP
> funding for FTTH, North Central Telephone Cooperative...gota total of $50
> million for FTTH in many areas that we were already covering and they were
> covering with FTTH. Windstream in KY got a total of $26 million to expand
> their coverage to everyone else outside of the city limits,
>
> What it comes down too, is how much a$$ you can kiss, and how much you can
> afford to pay! I may join Wispa tomorrow just in case they can take my $250
> and do something useful in my favor for once? It is typical politics, the
> ones that can pay the most, get their way. Why do you think the go has
> auctioned off the good freq that most of us COULD have competed against the
> BIG guys, but could not afford?
>
> Yea, classify me the same a bedfast, I am at that point, prove me
> different, and I will join him in a counter!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
>
> I didn't say that, but it is well known.
>
> Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect
> Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to
> be listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly
> think I can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue,
> Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in
> my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with
> CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed
> them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.
>  They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I
> didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product,
> satellite service.  They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for
> Kentucky.  The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as
> soon as their funding ran out.  It was done in spite of the Kentucky
> Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all.
>  Guess what happened another year later?  Another company was hired to do
> THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again.
>
> I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended
> promised were made by them.
>
> None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around
> the US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum  wrote:
>
>> Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front
>> for the Bells."
>> I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this
>> list.  However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for
>> independent companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in
>> general - they don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have
>> some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much
>> with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.
>>
>> Dave Hannum
>> New Era Broadband, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

[Butch Evans]

On 01/13/2011 06:23 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> I ran across this subtle caveat today in the MT wiki...
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless
>
> "Note: Currently IPv6 doesn't work over Pseudobridge"

This could (should?) be reworded as: "Note: Currently most things 
(including IPv6) do not work (well) over Pseudobridge."  Just a 
thought.  :-)


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

[Butch Evans]

On 01/13/2011 05:54 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> No, I'm not offended at all. I appreciate your comments and the privilege of 
> being in the forum.
>
> When I read what you wrote about how the HE tunnel is IPv4 as far as the MT 
> router is concerned (that had escaped me).
>
> But I still would be interested to know if others are doing true IPv6 through 
> the MT RB750/RB450.

Greg, are you on the IPv6 mailing list?  I posted a complete 
configuration there (very simple config) for MT with an HE tunnel.  I 
believe that most of that post was put up on the member's wiki, though I 
can't be certain.  It will work with any MT device (including 750).

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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Scottie Arnett]

 I did my coverage with Connected TN about a year ago and have not heard from 
them since except for a revise.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules


  I didn't say that, but it is well known.


  Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect 
Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to be 
listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly think I 
can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth 
(AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area 
called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went 
to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to 
use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.  They knew I had 
that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the 
money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service.  They were 
provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky.  The maps they did were 
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out.  It was 
done in spite of the Kentucky Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and 
they stole it from us all.  Guess what happened another year later?  Another 
company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got 
MILLIONS again.


  I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended 
promised were made by them.


  None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the 
US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.

  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum  wrote:

Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for 
the Bells."  

I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this list.  
However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent 
companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in general - they 
don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have some very 
knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much with them, 
you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.  

Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC 




 
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein  
wrote:

  At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
  >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
  >I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
  >mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
  >Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
  >potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.


  I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
  public forum, not official correspondence.

  It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
  Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
  independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
  them, because it hit home.

  Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
  list.  Not everything has to be somber.


  >On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
  > wrote:
  > > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
  > makes WISPA look.
  > > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
  > businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.


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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Scottie Arnett]

All this bickering reminds me why I have NOT joined WISPA yet. Do not get me 
wrong, I DO agree with the bickering going on from KY and OH about Connect 
"whatever state inserted here"!  Same as what is happening in TN!

In my own opinion, WISPA is trying to play Big boy, with a front for big boy!  
I have been on the general list for a long time following the steps that WISPA 
has taken. IN the last few years, my perception is they want to BOW DOWN to the 
FCC on issues that the Big Boys decide on most issues. They are playing second 
fiddle to what most of us actually want. We want someone to standup at the FCC 
and say, "HEY, there are other ISP's besides cable and telephone co's! We are 
serving as much or more of the digitally divided ppl than the telco's are cable 
co's ever thought about!

Of course we can all pay our $250 or whatever to WISPA and it will all go to 
Steve Coran! He loves us all for fighting this. The bigger fight, the more he 
gets paid, whether we win or not. How about funding the Steve that used to be a 
WISP and later became a  lawyer. He knows what we are and what we stand for? 

Side step from my bitching about WISPA, I am tired of competing against money 
that you, I, and everyone else in the USA has paid in on taxes. Just take a 
look at my area and what I have to compete against,  I could give WISPA 
$100,000 and probably still not survive!

Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative... got a total of $36 million in BIP/BTOP 
funding for FTTH, North Central Telephone Cooperative...gota total of $50 
million for FTTH in many areas that we were already covering and they were 
covering with FTTH. Windstream in KY got a total of $26 million to expand their 
coverage to everyone else outside of the city limits,

What it comes down too, is how much a$$ you can kiss, and how much you can 
afford to pay! I may join Wispa tomorrow just in case they can take my $250 and 
do something useful in my favor for once? It is typical politics, the ones that 
can pay the most, get their way. Why do you think the go has auctioned off the 
good freq that most of us COULD have competed against the BIG guys, but could 
not afford?

Yea, classify me the same a bedfast, I am at that point, prove me different, 
and I will join him in a counter!

Scott

 

- Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules


  I didn't say that, but it is well known.


  Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect 
Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to be 
listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly think I 
can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth 
(AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area 
called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went 
to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to 
use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.  They knew I had 
that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the 
money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service.  They were 
provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky.  The maps they did were 
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out.  It was 
done in spite of the Kentucky Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and 
they stole it from us all.  Guess what happened another year later?  Another 
company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got 
MILLIONS again.


  I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended 
promised were made by them.


  None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the 
US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.

  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum  wrote:

Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for 
the Bells."  

I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this list.  
However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent 
companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in general - they 
don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have some very 
knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much with them, 
you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.  

Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC 




 
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein  
wrote:

  At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
  >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
  >I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
  >mapping, that public informa

Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

[Butch Evans]

On 01/13/2011 09:19 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> Personal opinion: IPv6 is worth less than the paper its RFC is
> printed on. Ignore it and it will go away.  Really.

Perhaps "personal opinion", but bad advice.

> If one of your subscribers really needs to reach something only
> accessible via IPv6, they can tunnel out.
Have you even tried explaining how to configure their email client?  
Explaining IPv6 would be much harder.


> Plus v6 is an abomination, a misdesign of immense proportions, so you 
> shouldn't
> buy into Cisco's fantasies.

Umm...IPv6 is not a "Cisco fantasy".   While I agree that there are some 
serious problems with the current implementation, I cannot say that it 
is a total waste.  There are some security issues to be sure, but for 
the most part, it works and works well.

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Miss America

[David Weddell]

Congratulations Matt Larsen and Vistabeam! Vistabeam provides Internet service 
to the new "Miss America", Theresa Scanlan!!

Do I see a new marketing campaign in process?!?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of David Weddell
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Miss America

I just came back from Planet Hollywood Towers in Vegas and saw all the Miss 
America contestants there. Miss Indiana, Gabrielle Reed, is from Rick Harnish's 
hometown of Bluffton even though she claims Bloomington as her hometown now, 
let the competition begin.

Dave Weddell
www.omnicity.net

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Miss America

Shout out to Miss Nebraska, Theresa Scanlan.   She won the talent
competition today and is one of the youngest contestants ever in the
show (17).   The Scanlans are Vistabeam customers and we are very proud
of Theresa and her entire family.12 months ago, she was carrying out
groceries and now there is a great chance that she will be on the final
stage of the pageant.   Best wishes to you Theresa!

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Miss America

[David Weddell]

I just came back from Planet Hollywood Towers in Vegas and saw all the Miss 
America contestants there. Miss Indiana, Gabrielle Reed, is from Rick Harnish's 
hometown of Bluffton even though she claims Bloomington as her hometown now, 
let the competition begin.

Dave Weddell
www.omnicity.net

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Miss America

Shout out to Miss Nebraska, Theresa Scanlan.   She won the talent
competition today and is one of the youngest contestants ever in the
show (17).   The Scanlans are Vistabeam customers and we are very proud
of Theresa and her entire family.12 months ago, she was carrying out
groceries and now there is a great chance that she will be on the final
stage of the pageant.   Best wishes to you Theresa!

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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[RickG]

Ditto here!

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I didn't say that, but it is well known.
>
> Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect
> Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to
> be listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly
> think I can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue,
> Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in
> my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with
> CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed
> them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.
>  They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I
> didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product,
> satellite service.  They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for
> Kentucky.  The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as
> soon as their funding ran out.  It was done in spite of the Kentucky
> Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all.
>  Guess what happened another year later?  Another company was hired to do
> THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again.
>
> I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended
> promised were made by them.
>
> None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around
> the US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum  wrote:
>
>> Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front
>> for the Bells."
>> I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this
>> list.  However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for
>> independent companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in
>> general - they don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have
>> some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much
>> with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.
>>
>> Dave Hannum
>> New Era Broadband, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
>>> >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>>> >I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>>> >mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>>> >Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
>>> >potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>>>
>>> I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
>>> public forum, not official correspondence.
>>>
>>> It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
>>> Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
>>> independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
>>> them, because it hit home.
>>>
>>> Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
>>> list.  Not everything has to be somber.
>>>
>>> >On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
>>> > makes WISPA look.
>>> > > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
>>> > businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[David Hannum]

Sorry Chuck - did not mean to attribute to the wrong person.  Fred did say
it.  But none the less, here in Ohio, We've never been asked for a penny
from Connect Ohio other than when we hired Chip Spann via Connected Nation
to do some network design for us early on.  And perhaps CK opperates
different from CO.  I know they've been around a LOT longer.  I guess it's
kinda Fords.  You either love 'em or hate em, depending on your experiences
with them.  My main point is that not everyone has had such a negative
experience with CN, and in some cases, very good success working with them.


Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC




On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>  At 1/15/2011 05:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> I didn't say that, but it is well known.
>
>
> I said it, and I stand by it, noting what Chuck said as an example.  Even
> before the federally-funded mapping projects, CK was operating -- it was the
> prototype for CN -- and it was referring people to BellSouth.  I think at
> the time it was a $20k fee to be listed.  $20k for BellSouth, $20k for a
> tiny local ISP.  Sort of a poll tax model.  Great for the big guys. But it's
> not the big guys who need someone to tell the public who provides service
> where they are.
>
>
> Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect
> Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to
> be listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly
> think I can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue,
> Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in
> my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with
> CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed
> them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.
> They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't
> pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite
> service.  They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky.
> The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as soon as
> their funding ran out.  It was done in spite of the Kentucky Government.
> The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all.  Guess what
> happened another year later?  Another company was hired to do THAT EXACT
> SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again.
>
> I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended
> promised were made by them.
>
> None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around
> the US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum  wrote:
>  Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front
> for the Bells."
> I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this list.
> However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for
> independent companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in
> general - they don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have
> some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much
> with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.
>
> Dave Hannum
> New Era Broadband, LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>  At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
> >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
> >I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
> >mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
> >Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
> >potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>
> I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
> public forum, not official correspondence.
>
> It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
> Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
> independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
> them, because it hit home.
>
> Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
> list.  Not everything has to be somber.
>
> >On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
> >< j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
> > makes WISPA look.
> > > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
> > businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Fred Goldstein]

At 1/15/2011 05:02 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

I didn't say that, but it is well known.


I said it, and I stand by it, noting what Chuck said as an 
example.  Even before the federally-funded mapping projects, CK was 
operating -- it was the prototype for CN -- and it was referring 
people to BellSouth.  I think at the time it was a $20k fee to be 
listed.  $20k for BellSouth, $20k for a tiny local ISP.  Sort of a 
poll tax model.  Great for the big guys. But it's not the big guys 
who need someone to tell the public who provides service where they are.


Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to 
Connect Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a 
minimum $10k to be listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a 
partner.  Do they honestly think I can afford either?  Guess who was 
partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner, 
Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area called them to 
see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went to 
EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them 
how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or 
WildBlue.  They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, 
but because I didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an 
inferior product, satellite service.  They were provided with 
MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky.  The maps they did were 
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran 
out.  It was done in spite of the Kentucky Government.  The TAX 
PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all.  Guess what 
happened another year later?  Another company was hired to do THAT 
EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again.


I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open 
ended promised were made by them.


None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people 
around the US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show 
their displeasure.


Regards,

Chuck


On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum 
<oujas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying 
front for the Bells."
I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this 
list.  However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not 
more, for independent companies like most of us are.  They lobby for 
Broadband in general - they don't play favorites at the high 
level.  However, they have some very knowledgible, dedicated 
wireless guys.  And if you work very much with them, you'd see that 
wireles is all those guys are about.


Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC





On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
<fgoldst...@ionary.com> wrote:

At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
>nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
>potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.

I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
public forum, not official correspondence.

It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
them, because it hit home.

Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
list.  Not everything has to be somber.

>On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
><j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
> makes WISPA look.
> > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
> businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.


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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Chuck Hogg]

I didn't say that, but it is well known.

Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect
Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to
be listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly
think I can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue,
Bellsouth (AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in
my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with
CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed
them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.
 They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I
didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product,
satellite service.  They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for
Kentucky.  The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as
soon as their funding ran out.  It was done in spite of the Kentucky
Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all.
 Guess what happened another year later?  Another company was hired to do
THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again.

I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended
promised were made by them.

None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around
the US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.

Regards,

Chuck


On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum  wrote:

> Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for
> the Bells."
> I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this list.
> However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for
> independent companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in
> general - they don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have
> some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much
> with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.
>
> Dave Hannum
> New Era Broadband, LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
>> At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
>> >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>> >I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>> >mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>> >Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
>> >potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>>
>> I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
>> public forum, not official correspondence.
>>
>> It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
>> Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
>> independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
>> them, because it hit home.
>>
>> Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
>> list.  Not everything has to be somber.
>>
>> >On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
>> > wrote:
>> > > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
>> > makes WISPA look.
>> > > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
>> > businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>>
>>  --
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>>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>  +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[David Hannum]

Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for
the Bells."
I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this list.
However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for
independent companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in
general - they don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have
some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much
with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.

Dave Hannum
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
> >nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
> >I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
> >mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
> >Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
> >potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>
> I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
> public forum, not official correspondence.
>
> It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
> Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
> independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
> them, because it hit home.
>
> Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
> list.  Not everything has to be somber.
>
> >On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
> > wrote:
> > > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
> > makes WISPA look.
> > > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
> > businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>
>  --
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[RickG]

Remember, it was on the general list...

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> WISPA talks to the FCC.  How do you think they respond to us when we ask
> for something knowing we "allow" such actions?
> On Jan 14, 2011 11:50 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> > Josh, you're comparing apples to oranges. AFAIK, CN is not a competitor
> nor
> > a member.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman
> > wrote:
> >
> >> WISPA is represented by its members.
> >>
> >> Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a
> competitor?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
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> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is
> a
> >>> comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad
> people
> >>> cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things.
> Or was
> >>> it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own
> on
> >>> behalf of the enemy?
> >>> As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of
> >>> one person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a
> better
> >>> scrutinizing who is allowed to join.
> >>> Just my .02.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman <
>
> >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes
>  WISPA look.
> 
>  We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses
>  or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>  On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

[Jon Auer]

I believe the license database is now available in the more friendly CSV format.
See: http://data.fcc.gov/download/license-view/
and
http://data.fcc.gov/download/license-view/fcc-license-view-data-csv-format.zip

I'd make a page that shows what percentage is owned by who but I
already have a weekend project :-)

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> Tom asked,
>
> A relevent question is... What percent of Pre-existing PArt-101 licenses are
> owned by who? For example, what percentage of PArt101 licenses are owned by
> Sprint or Fiber tower? Surely without those numbers disclosed, we really
> cant understand who these auxilary stations really would be helping. If our
> competitors own most of the PArt101 licenses, Icant agree that helping our
> competitors be more successful will make WISPs more sucessful.
> I'd want to see that private independant WISPs and WISP industry own a
> significantly large enough portion of the PArt101 band already. Can we get
> these specs?
>
> FCC microwave license data is public; you can download the whole database.
> I've done this a couple of times, most recently a bit more than a year ago.
> (Warning:  It's pretty tricky to work with.  It's relational, with a ton of
> little files, and they just distribute the text files, not the SQL that may
> generate the most interesting answers.  But if you like hacking in Access,
> it can be fun to try.)  From that data, not today's, here is the count of
> the top 100 licensee names. (L=licensee; CL=licensee contact)
>
> entity_name entity_type  CountOfcall_sign
> Verizon Wireless CL  6956
> FIBERTOWER CORPORATION  CL   3930
> New Cingular Wireless PCS, LLC  L   3450
> HOLLAND & KNIGHT LLPCL   3389
> FiberTower Network Services Corp.   L   3265
> RADIO DYNAMICS CORPORATION  CL   2988
> Cingular Wireless LLC   CL   2484
> METROPOLITAN AREA NETWORKS, INC L   2460
> AT&T Mobility LLC   CL   2270
> Keller and Heckman LLP  CL   1977
> UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD  L   1480
> Comsearch    CL  1471
> UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD  CL   1461
> CLEARWIRE SPECTRUM HOLDINGS III, LLCCL   1416
> AT&T CORP.  CL   1355
> Clearwire Spectrum Holdings III, LLCL   1185
> CELLCO PARTNERSHIP  L   1174
> Teligent, Inc.  CL   1108
> Sensus  CL   1090
> T-Mobile License LLCL   1064
> Consolidated Spectrum Services  CL   1003
> LOS ANGELES SMSA LIMITED PARTNERSHIPL   968
> AT&T CORP.  L   895
> Clearwire Corporation   CL   798
> TELECOM TRANSPORT MANAGEMENT, INC.  L   797
> McDERMOTT WILL & EMERY LLP  CL   789
> Verizon Wireless (VAW) LLC  L   786
> CLEARWIRE SPECTRUM HOLDINGS II LLC  L   775
> KATLINK LLC (debtor-in-possession)   L   770
> KATLINK LLC (debtor-in-possession)   O   770
> Telecom Transport Management, Inc.  CL   752
> Covington & Burling LLP CL   745
> CLEARWIRE SPECTRUM HOLDINGS II LLC  CL   737
> BNSF Railway Co.L   726
> Dow, Lohnes & Albertson, PLLC   CL   723
> BNSF Railway Co. CL  718
> Conterra Ultra Broadband, LLC   L   679
> Conterra Ultra Broadband, LLC   CL   677
> McDERMOTT, WILL & EMERY CL   648
> AT&T CORP   L   615
> T-Mobile License LLCCL   608
> W. Stephen Cannon, Management Trustee   L   599
> W. Stephen Cannon, Management Trustee   O   599
> Dow Lohnes PLLC CL   599
> Qwest Corporation   L   586
> Qwest Corporation    CL  576
> BACKLINK V, LLC CL   575
> BACKLINK V, LLC L   575
> ART Licensing Corp. L   571
> Constantine Cannon  CL   571
> Alltel Communications, LLC  L   552
> WILKINSON BARKER KNAUER, LLPCL   550
> TRILLION PARTNERS, INC. CL   538
> Trillion Partners, Inc. L   529
> BACKLINK IV, LLCL   511
> BACKLINK IV, LLC CL  511
> BACKLINK III, LLC   L   508
> BACKLINK III, LLC   CL   508
> BACKLINK II, LLCL   506
> BACKLINK II, LLC CL  506
> BACKLINK I, LLC L   505
> BACKLINK I, LLC CL   505
> CHEVRON USA INC L   495
> CBS BROADCASTING INC.   L   492
> NBC TELEMUNDO LICENSE CO.   L   490
> Clearwire Spectrum Holdings II, LLC L   484
> Northrop Grumman Information Technology, Inc.   L   467
> Northrop Grumman Information Technology, Inc.   CL   462
> Sprint Nextel Corporation    CL  453
> GTECH CORPORATION   L   452
> Stratos Offshore Services Company   CL   447
> ALLTEL COMMUNICATIONS, INC. CL   447
> Alltel Communications, LLC  CL   438
> CAPSTAR TX LIMITED PARTNERSHIP  L   428
> Wiley Rein LLP  CL   426
> MCI WORLDCOM NETWORK SERVICES INC   L   425
> American Electric Power Service Corporation CL   410
> CALIFORNIA, STATE OFL   406
> Covington & Burling CL   406
> Brooks, Pierce,

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Fred Goldstein]

At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
>nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
>potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.

I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the 
public forum, not official correspondence.

It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the 
Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to 
independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let 
them, because it hit home.

Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this 
list.  Not everything has to be somber.

>On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content 
> makes WISPA look.
> > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and 
> businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.

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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

[michael mulcay]

Matt,

 

As you can see,  I strongly believe that the FCC proposed rulemaking to
allow the use of auxiliary stations would be good for the wireless industry
and especially for WISPs.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

 

Wow Michael,

That was an outstanding post.   Thank you for taking the time to put it
together.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 1/13/2011 11:31 PM, michael mulcay wrote: 

Fred, 

 

Tom DeReggi's comments were business-case based and constructive; basically
exploring whether the Commission's NPRM on auxiliary stations would benefit
the large operators or WISPs or both. In WSI's opinion the answer is both,
but with WISPs getting the higher business growth percentage.  Frankly, I do
not see anything in your position that would benefit the WISP community.

 

 Further, I have nearly thirty years of experience working with the FCC,
initially with the Xerox XTEN filing, and later, at Western Multiplex as VP
of Business Development  I wrote the request for a Rule Making and an
Immediate Waiver of the Rules pending a Rule Making to allow unlimited EIRP
in the 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz ISM bands. Both were granted (with the 1 for 3 rule
at 2.4GHz) and we were able to take Western Multiplex from the "Living Dead"
(profitable with no growth) to a "Star Performer" (rapid profitable growth),
growing the company by 25%, 50% and 100% in three consecutive years. I
believe that auxiliary stations can give WISPs the same type of growth
opportunity.

 

I believe your last paragraph summarizes your view, so I will address this
paragraph.

 

"But Part 101 is all about using conventional means. 

 

Wrong -- Part 101Fixed Service rules are about the use of spectrum for Fixed
Services, fortunately not about "conventional" means as this would preclude
innovation.

 

.(narrow beams, narrow bands) to squeeze in as many PtP users as possible
via coordination, not auctions.

 

There are two problems with the conventional approach: 1. Narrower and
narrower beams mean larger and larger antennas with the related dramatic
increases in CAPEX and OPEX, and even then they are still not perfect. 2.
The FS market requirement is for higher and higher speeds requiring higher
and higher bandwidths, not narrower and narrower bandwidths.

 

It works pretty well.  

 

Actually it works very poorly as demonstrated by the difficulty of Prior
Coordinating new 6GHz and 11GHz paths in cities such as New York and Los
Angeles. The reason for the congestion is that every licensed station is
given protection from harmful interference and all antennas radiate and
receive signals in all directions, hence the reason for Rule 101.103 and the
large antennas are a major contributor to the high cost of conventional
licensed microwave links.

 

As some of the Reply Comments noted, the alleged "keyhole" for auxiliary
stations doesn't really exist very often.  

 

The "keyhole" has nothing to do with auxiliary stations as it is a contour
around any station for a given interferer. Prior coordination requires that
a new applicant check the EIRP at all angles around the proposed stations
for all distances up to 125 miles at angles between five and three hundred
and fifty five degrees, and at all distances up to 250 miles for all angles
within five degrees of the antenna azimuth. This means that there are a very
large number of locations around existing paths where a new applicant path
cannot be deployed because the new path would cause harmful interference,
and as the distance from the new applicant to an existing path or paths
decreases, the number of choices for the new applicant path also decreases
to the point where a new path at any angle will not prior coordinate. With a
"conventional" approach these locations are unused, they are wasted. But
with auxiliary stations the existing licensee can put the unused locations
to productive use.

 

But TDD and FDD also   risk compatibility problems, and most of Part 101 is
FDD, while your proposal is TDD.  

 

Wrong -- there are no compatibility problems using TDD in areas where FDD is
operating, since a TDD path must prior coordinate before a license will be
issued. Also, there is nothing preventing an auxiliary path from operating
FDD, TDD, FDD-TDMA or TDD-TDMA.  

 

So it might make more sense to push for more spectrum elsewhere, rather than
use self-defeating hyperbole to fight Part 101 interests head-on."

 

I will again quote FCC Chairman Genachowski: 

 

"We can't create more spectrum, so we have to make sure it's used
efficiently." 

 

So, why are you proposing that we do not challenge the big companies who
have vested interests in maintaining the status quo? 

 

The facts are these:

 

Spectrum is a finite precious national resource.

Every month thousands of new licenses ar

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Josh Luthman]

I most certainly don't read every post.  Sorry I missed that important one.
On Jan 15, 2011 9:50 AM, "chris cooper"  wrote:
> Ive said good things about CO staff in the past. Check the archives.
> One of the CO staff work for Intelliwave previously. I know for a fact
> that he understands WISPS, wants us to succeed and really cares about
> getting broadband to rural subscribers.
>
> Chris Cooper
> Intelliwave LLC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
>
> Were you paid to say that or do you honestly feel that? That would
> definitely be a first praise to my ears.
> On Jan 15, 2011 9:26 AM, "David Hannum"  wrote:
>> Wow - it's amazing how different everyone's experiences with CN has
> been.
>> We've had just the opposite of most of the folks posting here. We've
> had
>> great support for our wireless efforts . . . everything from design
> and
>> engineering to going out and finding us money to do special projects
> with.
>> If we can understand that at the root, they HAVE TO BE technology
>> independent, they do have some very good wireless folks, Chip Spann
> and Bart
>> Winegar among them. As for the meeting that Robert was refering to,
> here in
>> Ohio they (Connect Ohio) have a grant that, to my way of thinking,
> helps me
>> or any other provider. They are offering training for folks who are
> not
>> versed in the Internet to drive adoption. Then, then in exchange for
>> providers offering some discount to the folks who participate in the
> class,
>> they will advertise your services, and encourage folks to subscribe.
> That's
>> what was presented to Robert. I don't see why he was so offended by
> that
>> proposition.
>>
>> Again, it's all in your perception. All I can say is that we have
> found
>> that they can be very helpful and are very willing to help. Do we take
>> every suggestion or service they offer? No way. But just because we
> can't
>> use something they offer does not make them bad. I can say without
>> hesitation, that I've not found them to be in the hip pocket of the
> telcos
>> or big boys at all. They've been very supportive of our efforts here.
>>
>> Dave Hannum
>> New Era Broadband, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
>>
>>> You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However,
>>> nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick
> and
>>> I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>>> mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>>> Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the
>>> potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
> 
>>> wrote:
>>> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes
> WISPA
>>> look.
>>> > We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and
> businesses
>>> or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>>> > On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[chris cooper]

Ive said good things about CO staff in the past.  Check the archives.
One of the CO staff work for Intelliwave previously.  I know for a fact
that he understands WISPS, wants us to succeed and really cares about
getting broadband to rural subscribers.
 
Chris Cooper
Intelliwave LLC
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
 
Were you paid to say that or do you honestly feel that?  That would
definitely be a first praise to my ears.
On Jan 15, 2011 9:26 AM, "David Hannum"  wrote:
> Wow - it's amazing how different everyone's experiences with CN has
been.
> We've had just the opposite of most of the folks posting here. We've
had
> great support for our wireless efforts . . . everything from design
and
> engineering to going out and finding us money to do special projects
with.
> If we can understand that at the root, they HAVE TO BE technology
> independent, they do have some very good wireless folks, Chip Spann
and Bart
> Winegar among them. As for the meeting that Robert was refering to,
here in
> Ohio they (Connect Ohio) have a grant that, to my way of thinking,
helps me
> or any other provider. They are offering training for folks who are
not
> versed in the Internet to drive adoption. Then, then in exchange for
> providers offering some discount to the folks who participate in the
class,
> they will advertise your services, and encourage folks to subscribe.
That's
> what was presented to Robert. I don't see why he was so offended by
that
> proposition.
> 
> Again, it's all in your perception. All I can say is that we have
found
> that they can be very helpful and are very willing to help. Do we take
> every suggestion or service they offer? No way. But just because we
can't
> use something they offer does not make them bad. I can say without
> hesitation, that I've not found them to be in the hip pocket of the
telcos
> or big boys at all. They've been very supportive of our efforts here.
> 
> Dave Hannum
> New Era Broadband, LLC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Chuck Hogg 
wrote:
> 
>> You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However,
>> nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick
and
>> I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>> mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>> Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the
>> potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman

>> wrote:
>> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes
WISPA
>> look.
>> > We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and
businesses
>> or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>> > On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Josh Luthman]

Were you paid to say that or do you honestly feel that?  That would
definitely be a first praise to my ears.
On Jan 15, 2011 9:26 AM, "David Hannum"  wrote:
> Wow - it's amazing how different everyone's experiences with CN has been.
> We've had just the opposite of most of the folks posting here. We've had
> great support for our wireless efforts . . . everything from design and
> engineering to going out and finding us money to do special projects with.
> If we can understand that at the root, they HAVE TO BE technology
> independent, they do have some very good wireless folks, Chip Spann and
Bart
> Winegar among them. As for the meeting that Robert was refering to, here
in
> Ohio they (Connect Ohio) have a grant that, to my way of thinking, helps
me
> or any other provider. They are offering training for folks who are not
> versed in the Internet to drive adoption. Then, then in exchange for
> providers offering some discount to the folks who participate in the
class,
> they will advertise your services, and encourage folks to subscribe.
That's
> what was presented to Robert. I don't see why he was so offended by that
> proposition.
>
> Again, it's all in your perception. All I can say is that we have found
> that they can be very helpful and are very willing to help. Do we take
> every suggestion or service they offer? No way. But just because we can't
> use something they offer does not make them bad. I can say without
> hesitation, that I've not found them to be in the hip pocket of the telcos
> or big boys at all. They've been very supportive of our efforts here.
>
> Dave Hannum
> New Era Broadband, LLC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However,
>> nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>> I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>> mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>> Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the
>> potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes
WISPA
>> look.
>> > We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses
>> or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
>> > On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[David Hannum]

Wow - it's amazing how different everyone's experiences with CN has been.
We've had just the opposite of most of the folks posting here.  We've had
great support for our wireless efforts . . .  everything from design and
engineering to going out and finding us money to do special projects with.
If we can understand that at the root, they HAVE TO BE technology
independent, they do have some very good wireless folks, Chip Spann and Bart
Winegar among them.  As for the meeting that Robert was refering to, here in
Ohio they (Connect Ohio) have a grant that, to my way of thinking, helps me
or any other provider.  They are offering training for folks who are not
versed in the Internet to drive adoption.  Then, then in exchange for
providers offering some discount to the folks who participate in the class,
they will advertise your services, and encourage folks to subscribe.  That's
what was presented to Robert.  I don't see why he was so offended by that
proposition.

Again, it's all in your perception.  All I can say is that we have found
that they can be very helpful and are very willing to help.  Do we take
every suggestion or service they offer?  No way.  But just because we can't
use something they offer does not make them bad.  I can say without
hesitation, that I've not found them to be in the hip pocket of the telcos
or big boys at all.  They've been very supportive of our efforts here.

Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC







On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
> nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
> I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
> mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
> Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
> potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA
> look.
> > We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and businesses
> or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
> > On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
> >
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Josh Luthman]

WISPA talks to the FCC.  How do you think they respond to us when we ask for
something knowing we "allow" such actions?
On Jan 14, 2011 11:50 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
> Josh, you're comparing apples to oranges. AFAIK, CN is not a competitor
nor
> a member.
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
>> WISPA is represented by its members.
>>
>> Would you appreciate your installer doing such acts against a competitor?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>>> Ya know, I've never met Bob but everyone on this list knows that he is a
>>> comedian at heart and and his post was done in satire. It's too bad
people
>>> cant lighten up and enjoy life without taking offense to such things. Or
was
>>> it that his post so close to the truth it hurt? Why do we eat our own on
>>> behalf of the enemy?
>>> As far as making WISPA look bad, are we really judged by the actions of
>>> one person? If so, WISPA needs to review the membership list and do a
better
>>> scrutinizing who is allowed to join.
>>> Just my .02.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes
 WISPA look.

 We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses
 or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Chuck Hogg]

You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.

On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look.
> We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and businesses or 
> representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
> On Jan 14, 2011 9:39 PM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
>

-- 
Regards,

Chuck



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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Blake Bowers]

Interesting video... Almost as good as the ones of Tower 5 and Tower 6..




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heaven knows we need them down here!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules


> When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a
> well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down 
> with
> parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO
> boy
>
>
>
> We're done.  Please remove me from  the WISPA list and be happy.
>
>
>
> The world is cruel,  this be true.  But Connected Nation  Et tu, 
> Brute?
>
>
>
> Yes.  You.
>
>
>
> I will not be controlled.  I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS.
>
>
>
> I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn
> well please.
>
>
>
> Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was
> replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow...  "Our people
> feel threatened by your video."
>
>
>
> So sad for them.  They are threatened  I bet they are.  I really bet
> they are.
>
>
>
> Waiting for the FCC to show up..  HA!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
> 740-335-7020
>
> Cell 937-903-1286
>
>
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