Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range

[lakeland]

Note my comment was based around 2' dishesnot spectrum. 


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 Original message From: Christian Palecek 
<christ...@cybernet1.com> Date: 1/16/17  5:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General 
List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range 
We have a couple of 18ghz at about 10 miles full modulation.  We are in rain 
zone B though, we have never had issues with fading in the rain at all though.


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 Original message ----From: lakeland <lakel...@gbcx.net> Date: 
1/16/17  2:51 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range 
I would not do more than about 2-3 miles on an 18 ghz hop depending on your 
weather.  The other issue is only 60' elevation.  Not happy at all with that 
elevation for more than a mile.


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 Original message From: Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> Date: 
1/16/17  9:34 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 18 Ghz 
Range 
At what distance would one expect to start having attenuation issues
with an 18 GHz link? Assume 2ft dishes on each end with clear Fresnel
zone. (Dishes at 60ft AGL on each end in case that makes a difference)

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range

[lakeland]

I would not do more than about 2-3 miles on an 18 ghz hop depending on your 
weather.  The other issue is only 60' elevation.  Not happy at all with that 
elevation for more than a mile.


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 Original message From: Sam Morris  Date: 
1/16/17  9:34 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 18 Ghz 
Range 
At what distance would one expect to start having attenuation issues
with an 18 GHz link? Assume 2ft dishes on each end with clear Fresnel
zone. (Dishes at 60ft AGL on each end in case that makes a difference)

Thanks,
Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

[lakeland]

Go by square footage.  Your footprint is much smaller than a cell provider...


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 Original message From: Seth Mattinen  
Date: 1/11/17  7:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 
Going Rate for Smaller Structures 
On 1/11/17 15:56, Tim wrote:
> Free internet
> Warranty on all equipment
>
> Would not do a per sub.  The trust factor is to high risk.
>
>

How do you guys handle people that have been poisoned by what cell 
companies pay? Like if someone says they need at least $2,500/mo from 
you because that's what they would get from Verizon/AT/Sprint. I 
usually want to say if a cell company wanted to be at your site they 
probably would have by now, but I say something like they have a bigger 
subscriber base than we do and we're only looking to target X customers 
in this area vs. thousands of mobile devices.

~Seth
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Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz interference

[lakeland]

Good luck with that.  No gonna block a -45 carrier at900 mhz easily. That is 
going to be a real challenge


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 Original message From: Clay Stewart 
 Date: 12/14/16  7:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
WISPA General List  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz 
interference 
Try to relocae with structure blocking and some distance.
On Dec 14, 2016 5:47 PM, "Ian Fraser"  wrote:

  

  
  
None in my exp. with the same gear


Ian




On 14/12/2016 5:36 PM, Marco Coelho
  wrote:



  Yes.  A few of the utilities here have moved to
them.  Some at 900Mhz others at 2.4 GHz.  Any setting changes
that can keep the link up?

  
  

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Sean
  Heskett 
  wrote:

  
Smart meter





  

  
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM Marco Coelho
  
  wrote:


  


  

  
I've
  got an old pmp100 900MHz AP with just a couple
  of customers on it.  Recently an extremely
  noisy hopper started bringing this down every
  10-20 seconds.  The link won't even stay up on
  1x.


Any
  ideas out there?  The hopper is at -45!!!


 

  

  


​

  


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C. Coelho

Argon Technologies Inc.

POB 875

Greenville, TX 75403-0875

903-455-5036
  

  


  

  
  

  


  
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Re: [WISPA] Any IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there

[lakeland]

Do they work if you set them up on the bench with the power turned all the way 
down?  If you can turn the power down.  What receive level do you have at 5 ghz?
Not totally familiar with the Metrolinqjust starting with basic initial 
setup questions


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 Original message From: Chadwick Wachs  
Date: 6/15/16  7:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Any 
IgniteNet MetroLinq customers out there 
I have been trying for a couple days to get a new PTP60-35 60 GHz link up and 
running with no luck. Looking for some help / suggestions from anyone who has 
been successful getting links up. The 5 GHz link is working but 60 never trains 
up. I bought the spotting scopes and each end is dead center. Good old 
fashioned up/down/left/right aiming methods do not seem to work either and 
IgniteNet is lacking in the support department.
Anyone want to contact me off list if you have any suggestions on what worked 
for you?
Thanks,Chad
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Re: [WISPA] Grounding hardware/connector to bus bar

[lakeland]

Ground lug.  Come in 3/8 or 1/4 inch holes.  You have 3/8.

Hole spacing is one of two different gaps.

Go to www.sitepro1.com and go to overstock tab.  They have them on clearance 
without inspection windows.

If u r size is not there go to the grounding tab.

If you buy universals lugs they will fit either gap size.

Bob


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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
Date:12/05/2014  9:54 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Grounding hardware/connector to bus bar 

Does anyone know what these things are called (the double hole terminal that 
goes in the bus bar)?  Goes to 6 gauge grounding wire.

http://imgur.com/MXMVHKi

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Re: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question

[lakeland]

Scott

First I have heard of military radar operating in the upper 5.8 spectrum but 
the equipment is probably older than the NTIA/FCC database.

Part 15 states your equipment must accept interference and must not cause 
interference.  As such, if the military can prove that your equipment is 
causing interference to theirs and they are authorized to operate in that 
spectrum, and the interference is effecting their mission, they could get the 
FCC involved and could issue you a cease and desist notice.

Do I think that will happen? No. 

Do I think if it is really causing an issue you may get a request?  Thats a 
possibility.

Do I think the military/Nasa has a real good relationship with the Miami field 
office? Yes

Politically I dont think you will see anything happen unless they can prove the 
issue and state a heavy case. The Commission does not have the resources to 
track down all the 5.8 operators on the Florida coast.

I would be concerned if someone from the field office shows up at your door 
(with proper ID) or you have to sign for your mail because it comes certified. 
I would also be concerned if a humvee full of guys with assault weapons showed 
up in uniform but thats a long shot. :-)

(Considering how warm it is in Florida right now i dont think you will find a 
commission field engineer in a hurry to come out and visit you in one of their 
1986 Ford Escort fleet vehicles with no AC... Lol)

Just make sure you have your EIRP's where they are suppose to be and if you are 
using the.lower spectrum, your DFS is enabled.

Finallyif you do get a visit...say nothing. The more info you provide the 
more trouble you will create. Let them request info. You do not have a FCC 
license so that puts you on a different playing field from licensed spectrum. 
Get professional counsel if you get contacted.

I have had numerous dealings with the Commission with interference issues and 
most of those were reasonable meetings.

Good luck but I think you're safe.

-B-


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From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com 
Date:05/07/2014  12:01 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question 

Good morning,
 
We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well.  We were 
notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that 
was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or 
something to that effect.  During the two months or so the repairs are expected 
to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from 
CCAFS / KSC.  The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us 
asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises.  I asked the 
frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 
5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the 
whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz.
 
So any way to the point...  When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are 
using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the 
equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn 
it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change 
freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request).
 
Obviously we can't accommodate their request for several reasons,most notably 
because the equipment nor the FCC allows it.  I'm just curious if any of you 
have had anything like this happen and what your response was / would be.
 
I try to be a nice neighbor and work with them any way possible but them trying 
to shut down the whole 5Ghz non-licensed upper band all our equipment uses 
(including every other cable and wireline providers wifi 5Ghz equipment in the 
county) to work their range RFI issues is a bit much and ultimately 
unattainable within the 3 days they have left prior to launch, IMO.
 
Any insight or suggestions you smart fellers have would be appreciated.  I am 
particularly interested in those more intimate with FCC rules regarding this 
situation.  Do I have to comply?  Do they have legal justification to just say 
- turn it off...  etc
 
Thanks...   I appreciate your time in responding.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Guy Wire Calculator

[lakeland]

Kevin

Do yourself a favor and put up the Nello 25N version not the Rohn.  The legs 
will line up better and you wont have to deal with holes plugged with 
galvanizing.

Nello will provide you with a material list for your install according to your 
area.

Bob

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 Original message 
From: Eagle One Wireless e...@e1w.com 
Date:03/16/2014  5:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guy Wire Calculator 

Thanks chuck
That wil work perfect



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On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

If you haven't bought the tower already, it's just as easy to buy a kit.  The 
kit also has the lengths as well...so you can review that.  Also, there's a 
document on the Rohn site that has it as well under the Rohn25 specs.

Regards,
Chuck


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Eagle One Wireless e...@e1w.com wrote:
We are putting up a 120 ft rohn 25 tower. First tower we have actually put up 
in a few years. Anyone have a calculator to help me figure up how much guy wire 
to order?

And maybe how many sets i need?

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin Melson

Eagle One Wireless

1505 Hwy 72 E

Corinth, MS 38834

662-287-1722

e...@e1w.com

www.e1w.com

 

 

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

[lakeland]

Yeah...Thanks alot for the video Gino..  Now I have $1250 less in my account 
thanks to you and your video..

;-)

-B-


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 Original message 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
Date:02/03/2014  10:05 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter 

Oh, that's not bad, then. So if the guys can be on the tower, it can be there 
to record? Well, for a few minutes, anyway.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 9:03:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

Not sure, I'm guessing it was 20-25 mho winds the day of our shooting



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com   
@aeronetpr



From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:35 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

How much wind can it handle?



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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:14:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Completed Video of Tower work and quadcopter

Final edited version:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spQgL3bS_Y
 
 
 
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g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

I know what Daniel was saying but the statement was 3 weeks to license but 
that's not the case


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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
Date:01/13/2014  4:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

I believe what Daniel was referring to was the FCC. The coordination part was 
just saying that in addition to extra FCC fees, you may have extra coordination 
fees.



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From: lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 3:51:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Thats great and all but here is the argument...

Coordination is not licensing.  There are coordinators out there that say you 
can start operating after the coordination is complete. The Commission says 
otherwise.  Only the FCC can grant transmitter authorization and their position 
is that until authorization has been granted, operating otherwise is illegal.

If someone can show me otherwise then by all means please do.

Bob


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 Original message 
From: Daniel White 
Date:01/13/2014 2:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Expedited PCN is 15 day response time.
 
So long as you are licensing your gear in a Conditional Authorization band… 3 
weeks is more than possible from when you first submit paperwork to your 
frequency coordinator.
 
Some coordinators charge more for Expedited PCN response though FYI.
 

Daniel White | Sales Manager West  Southeast USA
SAF North America LLC

Cell:
+1 (303) 746-3590
Skype:
danieldwhite
E-mail:
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of lakeland
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:22 PM
To: sc...@flhsi.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
 
Scott
 
It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
coming from?
 
Bob

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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

Scott

It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
coming from?

Bob


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From: Scott Carullo sc...@flhsi.com 
Date:01/13/2014  1:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org,WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Yep, we use ligowave gear.  I can usually count on it providing 50-100mb with 
20mb channel if not a lot of interference.

for 200fdx you have one real option.  buy yourself a SAF licensed link 11Ghz 
2ft dishes high powered.  You can get a license as quick as you can buy and 
setup the gear.  If you think otherwise you should call me I can help you with 
getting the gear and the license.  Only way to fly and for less than 10K 
you have all of it bought, delivered, licensed and installed in about 2-3 weeks.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102




From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ?

http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

From: Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Hi Wisps,

We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles 
(real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking 
at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, 
although we're open to suggestions. 

The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade 
license.  We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the 
limiting factor at this point.

Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility.

Your thoughts?

Ian Framson
Co-founder


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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

Thats great and all but here is the argument...

Coordination is not licensing.  There are coordinators out there that say you 
can start operating after the coordination is complete. The Commission says 
otherwise.  Only the FCC can grant transmitter authorization and their position 
is that until authorization has been granted, operating otherwise is illegal.

If someone can show me otherwise then by all means please do.

Bob


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 Original message 
From: Daniel White daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com 
Date:01/13/2014  2:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Expedited PCN is 15 day response time.
 
So long as you are licensing your gear in a Conditional Authorization band… 3 
weeks is more than possible from when you first submit paperwork to your 
frequency coordinator.
 
Some coordinators charge more for Expedited PCN response though FYI.
 

Daniel White | Sales Manager West  Southeast USA
SAF North America LLC

Cell:
+1 (303) 746-3590
Skype:
danieldwhite
E-mail:
daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of lakeland
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 12:22 PM
To: sc...@flhsi.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios
 
Scott
 
It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
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Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

[lakeland]

On the coordination yes.  On the licensing... no.

Licensing is presently running 10-12 weeks


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 Original message 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
Date:01/13/2014  2:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Cc: sc...@flhsi.com 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

I thought you could do a rush on it?


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:21 PM, lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
Scott

It is not possible to get a link licensed in 2-3 weeks.  Where is this info 
coming from?

Bob


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 Original message 
From: Scott Carullo 
Date:01/13/2014 1:38 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List ,WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios 

Yep, we use ligowave gear.  I can usually count on it providing 50-100mb with 
20mb channel if not a lot of interference.

for 200fdx you have one real option.  buy yourself a SAF licensed link 11Ghz 
2ft dishes high powered.  You can get a license as quick as you can buy and 
setup the gear.  If you think otherwise you should call me I can help you with 
getting the gear and the license.  Only way to fly and for less than 10K 
you have all of it bought, delivered, licensed and installed in about 2-3 weeks.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102




From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Anyone with first-hand experience in this type of setup ?

http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-unity

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

From: Ian Framson i...@tradeshowinternet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:10:07 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Advice Needed on 200 Mbps FDX Radios

Hi Wisps,

We are looking for a pair of radios that can do 200 Mbps FDX over 11 miles 
(real world, not manufacturer's theoretical marketing promises). We are looking 
at using an unlicensed link (most likely 5 GHz) due to the time constraints, 
although we're open to suggestions. 

The make/model we were considering was Motorola PTP650 with 450 Mbps upgrade 
license.  We are not wed to Motorola, however. The cost seems to be the 
limiting factor at this point.

Another WISP I spoke with mentioned Bridgewave TD60 might be 1 possibility.

Your thoughts?

Ian Framson
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[WISPA] Need Bandwidth in Ft Myers FL

[lakeland]

Looking for 25 Meg FD with SLA.  Brokers need not apply.  

Contact me offlist.

Tnx

-B-

Bob Moldashel
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Re: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool

[lakeland]

Don't remember.  Solved the problem with matching machines


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 Original message 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
Date: 11/12/2013  9:10 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool 
 
Don't use cheap chipsets on the laptop.  Who shipped the laptops you had 
problems with?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 12, 2013 9:09 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
We have seen download/upload irregularities when using it with different types 
of laptops/processors.  Overall it is a good tool.

Something to check first is to test laptop to laptop with a cossover cable and 
see what your results are first.  Nothing like chasing a problem that isn't 
there.

-B-




On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:

I've used it on a PI and found it to be   very accurate.  Next to Iperf, 
put/get files from an FTP server provides good throughput measurements. 

On 11/12/2013 02:49 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Is it accurate using it on a Raspberry-pi? I was loading up my first one today 
to try out Iperf. Since someone on this thread mentioned 'CPU', I was wondering 
if that would be an issue on a PI? Clocked at 800Mhz..


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
   wrote:
iPerf is very accurate in what it tells you. What you draw from those 
conclusions may or may not be accurate.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Sam w...@csilogan.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:50:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] iPerf as a Real-World Performance Simulation Tool


Has anyone used iPerf before? I'm curious of your thoughts as to the
reliability, and how the results would map to a real-world environment.
For example, a friend was testing some 3.65 radios (which had no
connection to the Internet) using iPerf. Based upon the iPerf results, a
determination was made regarding maximum concurrent users per AP and
maximum aggregate bandwidth capacity of the radio. For the maximum
concurrent users I believe they tested this at several different
download and upload speed for the fictional users.

Having never used iPerf, I don't know if the results from their tests
(which were very poor by the way - much lower than common configurations
of DL/UL rates as well as number of users per AP I've read many of you
describing on these lists) map reasonably to what one would expect from
a given AP, or if they tend to be wonky.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Siklu/Dragonwave 80 Ghz..

[lakeland]

There are no 3' dishes at 80 Ghz.  We have quite a bit of experience installing 
Bridgewave and Proxim milimeter wave equip.  We actually installed the first 
few pairs of Bridgewave AR80x units for Bayone Medical Center. They weree the 
first set of parallel links ever placed.

While I agree that 80 is much more resilient than 60 Ghz, reliable distances at 
throughput modulation levels are limited to less than a mile with 2' dishes and 
moderate rain. Every link we have in place has adaptive rate modulation and 
where it is turned on, really regardless of distance, has throttled back at on 
time or another.

And a clarification on the Dragonwave ... Looking for feedback on Horizon E 
band unit which is private labeled Siklu.  We have plenty of experience with DW 
and they are easily one of my manufacturers of choice. They make $hit that 
works the first time.


Bob


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From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com 
Date: 10/14/2013  11:57 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Siklu/Dragonwave 80 Ghz.. 
 
On 10/14/2013 11:08 PM, Robert wrote:
 What are the max distances these will do with the 3 foot dishes?
 (moderate rain, not tropical rain)...


I don't think we have pushed the envelope here.  I've seen the charts, 
though.  It very much depends on your tolerance for outages.  If this is 
the sole link to some place, and it is mission-critical, then you can't 
tolerate much down time and you can get really hurt by rain.  If the 
rain is falling 40 mm/hour, it could knock around 15 dB/km off your 
path, which doesn't get you very far.  But that's unusual here in the 
northeast; most storms are maybe half that strong. Three or four miles 
should be quite reliable; a 10-mile link might be workable if you have a 
fallback path, but we haven't done it.

 On 10/14/2013 07:47 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 On 10/14/2013 7:33 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
 OK.  So a customer pops up out of no where and says he is interested in
 one of these links.  Does anyone have any positive/negative/neutral
 comments/experience?

 On or off list


 We have a few Dragonwaves going, 50 and 200 Mbps, some for a few miles
 in an urban core environment, and they seem pretty nice.  The licensed
 80 GHz band has much better range than unlicensed 60 GHz, though of
 course the very narrow beamwidth means you have to have a good antenna
 mount and be careful about storm damage, or about some bozo working on
 the roof who disturbs it.

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[WISPA] Alvarion Demise?

[lakeland]

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/60986.php


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge

[lakeland]

Ok. Tnx


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From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net 
Date: 07/12/2013  7:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com,WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge 
 
What they said Big Bob, definitively more flexibility with a RocketM5, actually 
less expensive when paired with a panel and being able to use DFS is a plus if 
the situation allows.

-- Original Message --
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
Reply-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:29:31 -0400

what he said

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:20 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge

Get a pair of Rockets and put them into a flat panel with an enclosure by 
someone like ARC Wireless or IT Elite. They're a lot more flexible in terms 
of antenna selection, DFS availability, lower replacement cost, better RF 
shielding, etc.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:13:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti M5 Powerbridge

Anyone have any good or bad things to say about these?  I am getting 
roped into a couple of links and looking for feedback before I marry 
them to myself.

Tnx

-B-
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Re: [WISPA] Metal building parapet wall mount for 3ft dish question

[lakeland]

Scott,

Its either brick with metal covering it or it hollow with light steel H beam 
construction.

If its block underneath or if its steel I would drill all the way through and 
sandwich the wall on each side.

We would use a Site Pro 1 WM1665 or SP250-6 with 2 pieces of 3 x 3 angle on the 
back side. 

If the wall is hollow just dandwich both sides of a vertical beam. 

You may need to notch out the metal for the mount to sit flush against the beam.

If its block you just need to shim up the mount to accomodate the corrugated 
surface. Site Pro sells square backer washers that can be used for this.

Bob

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 Original message 
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com 
Date: 05/26/2013  10:09 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Metal building parapet wall mount for 3ft dish question 
 
I've never disassembled a parapet wall on a metal building to see whats back 
behind the sheet metal that runs vertical on the roof side of the parapet wall, 
but I need to know whats back there and the best way to attach a 3ft licensed 
radio and dish and the mount needs to be beefy - as in welded galvanized mount 
that probably weighs 50 pounds itself.  I'm going to need to tie into something 
substantial behind the flimsy wall sheet metal.  I've mounted lighter loads to 
these walls but I just need this to stay put - it can't flex or move at all I 
have 3deg to work with on 11ghz and its out of town.

Anyone know of a mount that works good for this or can tell me whats back in 
there?  They must all be made similarly as every metal building I've seen is 
built the same.  I have included a link to a photo showing exactly what it 
looks like.  Dish needs to go next to the other jpole there - I have no idea 
what that is and I didn't put it there fyi :)

Thanks, appreciate it.   

Link - http://flhsi.com/files/parapet.jpg

Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Ghz links and high tension inter-state powet lines...

[lakeland]

Go for it.  You should be fine.  There will be no power issues as the 200 feet 
greatly exceeds the allowable distances for fixed appurtences. 

RF wise you should also have no issue.  We have many links passing through 
lines with no issue.

-B-


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From: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com 
Date: 05/26/2013  12:59 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 Ghz links and high tension inter-state powet lines... 
 
Howdy!

Has anyone ever installed wireless equipment close to high-tension
power lines? Like inter-state HV transmission lines?

If so, what do i need to be aware of? Would they interfere with the
radios at all? If say a 40ft towet was installed within 200 ft of an
80ft power line tower,  would there be any issues? Any chance of the
tower coupling with HV lines?

Thoughts on the matter?

-mike

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[lakeland]

Sounds like yoy could use a couple of Dragonwave Pseudowire units.  16 T1 to 
Ethernet. Copper only for you would need to media convert for f iber.

Bob


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From: m...@tc3net.com 
Date: 05/20/2013  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX 
 
Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a 
transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone 
etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: Eric Tykwinski eric-l...@truenet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Matt,

We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
were pretty simple to setup:
http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/


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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Hi All,
Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
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Re: [WISPA] Electrical noise problem / need solution

[lakeland]

Scott,

A few questions.

What power are you running up the tower, 120VAC?

Need to know make and model on the Tsunami. 

Are they losing the link on both sides or just one?

Your cable may be inducing something onto their cable that is screwing with the 
radio's conversion freq if its a two piece radio like a Tsunami 45 or Tsunami 
100.

Did an AM RF engineering firm review your proposed install?

Let me know what cha got...

Bob


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From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com 
Date: 05/13/2013  10:10 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Electrical noise problem / need solution 
 
I'll try to keep this as brief as possible while providing pertinent info - 
thanks if you reply

FM tower with AM detuner skirt from 0-150ft - fm tower has isolated guy wires 
and is well grounded at base
AM tower ~60 yards away operating at 50KW with 4 arrays max

We did new install there and ran power wire up tower in non-shielded SOOW 14/3 
wire to 325ft from inside building at base
Right after it was pulled up tower I happened to be running the bottom into the 
building and got shocked, not just by the cable but by about everything around 
me.  Not fun, RF burn is something you don't want to experience lol.  Its 
unbelievable really, watch this short video from my phone - you can hear the am 
station coming out of the arc welder like sparks.  
http://flhsi.com/files/wow.mov  Remember, this cable is not powered up its just 
hanging there...  Gives you something to think about.

So obviously I decided it was best not to hook it up to the equipment at 325ft 
or the power UPS at the bottom.  I looked for a solution and ended up buying 
replacement power cable called Armor-X which is fully armored / shielded 14/3 
power cable.  Actually really nice stuff it looks like 1/2 inch coax from the 
outside almost exactly.  I used coax grounding kits about every 50ft up the 
tower and one at top where enters my stainless box and one where it enters the 
building on the common ground plate.  I also ran the cable up the inside of the 
tower instead of the outside - a seasoned engineer told me running it inside 
the tower would provide shielding as well from the AM station.  This fixed my 
AM issues and allowed me to successfully power the equipment without issue.

Next problem - Another customer at the tower lost link on their 5Ghz when I 
powered up the new cable.  They are using an older tsunami radio with coax up 
the tower to their antenna.  I believe that our power cable is located about 6 
- 12 inches from their coax the whole run up to 325ft (not positive though - I 
have not been back to find out yet).  I need to not have their tsunami get 
noise on the coax and drop the RF chains and lose link.  When I unplug the 
power to my cable their radio link comes up / plug in theirs goes down in 
minute or so.  Repeatable.  Not an RF issue we turned all transmitters off - 
its just the power cable causing the issue.

Since I have it bonded well I'm not sure how to rectify this.  I need to deal 
with this soon.  Any ideas would be very appreciated.  Thanks for your time.

Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] GA Aircraft Interrupting Microwaves?

[lakeland]

Unless one of your sites is right by the airport I would say aircraft are not 
the issue. 


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From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com 
Date: 04/29/2013  10:39 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: memb...@wispa.org,WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] GA Aircraft Interrupting Microwaves? 
 
I've got a bizarre one here

Has anyone else ever experienced a GA aircraft flying in front of a 
tower and breaking a microwave (in this case RADWin) path long enough to 
bring down the link for approximately 10 seconds?

We have a tower that loses connectivity about once or twice a day for 
around 10 seconds, and all data points to it being some GA aircraft 
taking off from a local field and having a flight path that takes them 
right in the RF path of the microwave.

Next calm day one of the local pilots is going to fly a few touch-n-goes 
for us to confirm the theory.

Just curious if anyone else has ever encountered this?

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[lakeland]

Good luck Cliff.  There is so much LTE/4G upgrade work going on right now its 
almost impossible to come up with a last minute crew.




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From: Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com 
Date: 04/25/2013  9:52 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA 
 
We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a 
recommendation?

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Proxim 5054

[lakeland]

I assume you don't have the log in user and password?  

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- Reply message -
From: Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Proxim 5054
Date: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:26 pm


Does anyone know how to default a Proxim 5054 WITHOUT the stock power supply?

Basically I need to know what pairs to short out to do a full default.
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Re: [WISPA] Monopole mount

[lakeland]

Site Pro 1.  Part No. CHGPS.  Chain mount that normally is used in the cell 
industry for GPS antennas.  We have used them for microwave projects and the 
work great. $189 plus ship.

 www.sitepro1.com


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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Monopole mount
Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:36 am
Wireless Beehive have the Tower Mount  Series of mounts, one of them its for 
corner mounting but can be adapted for monopoles:

http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45Cat=

just use a chain around it with a bolt to adjust


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:52 PM

To: WISPA General List

Subject: [WISPA] Monopole mount




Hello,





I've got a customer who's apparently installed a 120' monopole so they'll be 
able to get service from us. Anyone have a bead on a monopole mount? I looked 
it up on Tessco,
and they seemed to be $500ish. I'd like to find something more like $150.





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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[lakeland]

The station engineer should be the lead information contact. If he is clueless 
most AM stations have engineering firms on retainer.

Adding equipment to certain stations can change the antenna radiation pattern. 
Obviously the FCC doesn't lie this.  ;-)

-B-

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From: Brian Gray brian.g...@joinkllc.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:43 pm
Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as 
mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us 
or the AM tower?
How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas?

How do I ground my gear?
My initial thoughts are:
Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower.Run 1 metallic 
liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200',
continue run from enclosure with 1 MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
enclosurerun 2 3/4 MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT 
NB25 to start with)run 3 3/4 MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas 
(probably UBNT Rocket M2)
drill small weep holes in 3/4 runs as they will not be weather tight to 
radiosrun shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight.Put 2-3 ferrite cores on 
the ends of all of the cables.
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just 
before router.wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from 
enclosure to circuit panelNo clue on grounding this thing.

Thank you in advance!


Brian Gray
 
Joink LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question

[lakeland]

How do I turn off Airmax.  I don't see a setting for it

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From: timothy steele timothy.pct...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question
Date: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:23 pm
Turn AirMax off set to AP WDS

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
wrote:


Is it running Airmax and the old one was a Pico (not M)?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote:




What was the previous ap?

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:





From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Picostation 2HP Question




To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 6:58 PM

OK   Quick question



Have a unit new out of the box will not connect to any subs.  Set up as 
an AP, 20 Mhz channel, 2.4 Ghz channel 1.

What am I missing???

Any input is appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz ?

[lakeland]

Not gonna be a problem. I have antennas behing 1 Lexan with no real  
discernable difference




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Subject: [WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz?

Subject: Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic plastic?


Hi, we're building a wireless video observation system for a lumber mill 
loading area.

This is an extremely rough-duty environment with huge logs swinging around,
and any exposed antennas, cameras, etc. would shortly be smashed to bits.
We're thinking of installing everything in a 1.5 ft. diameter thickwall
steel pipe, and installing our required 5.8Ghz panel antenna flush with the
end of the pipe, covered with a 2 thick piece of polycarbonate or acrylic.
The link only needs to work at a distance of around 150 feet. However I
can't find much info on-line about the RF attentuation of clear plastic
materials (or if it's even enough to matter) at 5.8Ghz. Anyone out here ever
had to do something like this?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Towers

[lakeland]

Price wise  Titan freestander...  Make sure you buy it from a  
distributor that gets it already kitted.  Got several of these from Tessco a  
few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower  
themselves


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

[lakeland]

With copper you need to consider the differences of ground potential between  
sites.  Fiber eliminates that issue


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Re: [WISPA] looking for ideas...

[lakeland]

Agreed.  Fiber is dirt cheap on Ebay. NOS.  Media converters for less than  
$100 each


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On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 17:17 -0400, Blair Davis wrote:

I have a special job to do.

I need to connect 4 sites together in a line and provide Ethernet
connectivity between them.  I may NOT use wireless to do this.

I can run overhead cable of most any type I need to.  Coax, cat3 or
cat5, or even fiber if the price is right...

Site 1 to site 2 is 700 ft.  Site 2 to site 3 is 900 ft.  Site 3 to
site 4 is 2400 ft. 


I would HIGHLY recommend fiber for this.  I am assuming these are
different buildings.  If they are, and they are on their own electric
meters, then grounding alone would make me want use fiber instead of
copper.  There are some solutions out there that will use the copper
lines, but I'd still go with fiber.Cost difference is likely to be
minimal and by the time you save $$ on the ethernet extenders (SDSL type
devices), you may come out at nearly the same cost with more bandwidth
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Re: [WISPA] Rope

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Throwing down a smaller rope may not seem like a good idea but what are you  
going to do when you have to rig a pedestal water tank where you need to  
climb up the center tube or a tower that has 6 carriers below you and you  
can't make a straight climb?


My statement comes from 30 years of experience. 

Having one rope might work in 90 percent of the situations but its those oh  
sh#t moments where having a throw line makes life easy and expedites the  
project.  


-B-

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Re: [WISPA] Rope

[lakeland]

BOB.  --  Head getting much bigger than it already is  :-)

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I was hoping Bob would chime in here.  There isn't anyone I could recommend
that everyone listen to more than Bob!

Rick


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Steve,

Rope is usually sold in 600 and 1200 foot rolls.  My crews use 7/16
Kernmantle on most jobs. 5/8 for big stuff.

We have small rope bags with 5/16 Kernmantle that gets carried up and
thrown down.  Then the bigger stuff is pulled up. The bags will store
500-600' and it plays out of the bag fine without binding.

All of our other rope is carried in garbage pails with covers. Two
handles
make it easy to carry and it stays watertight when snapped closed.

You can find 600' of 1/2 Arborist Rope on E-Bay for about $250 includes
shipping.  Longer lengths will cost considerably more.

Bob





Steve Barnes writes:

 Looking at rope to winch equipment (antennas, Boxes, etc) to top of
towers None over 275' nothing more than 100 Lbs.

 Couple Questions.

 What Rope do you prefer and size and what length do you recommend?  I
have a 400Ft Spool of 3/8 Poly double braided but its not long enough.

 How do you store your rope for transport to keep it untangled.

 What do you use as a throw line to get the rope to the top.   Most of
my towers the climber cant pull to the top.

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
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Re: [WISPA] New self-supporting tower

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Nello.  The holes line up, the hardware count is always complete, the  
construction drawings are simple, no need to drill galvanizing out of the  
legs and the price is right


Rohn makes em but you will pay for the name.

-B-

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Re: [WISPA] looking for feedback on Exalt - ExploreAir

[lakeland]

Great product.  Works like a dream. No sales fluff in that stuff

-B-

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Which session?

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On 9/4/2010 10:37 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:

Marco,

I don't have experience but there is a PowerPoint presentation on the wiki  

from the regional meeting.


Rick

Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com  wrote:


Exalt - ExploreAir
http://www.exaltcom.com/ExploreAir-all-outdoor-licensed.aspx

Is anyone using these in a production environment that want's to share
performance and reliability data?

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[WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

[lakeland]

OK. Not being the computer genius that I want to be can anyone give me an 
economical lead on Windows XP Pro SP3 operating system which is legal and 
valid. I need programs for a handful of machines

Tnx

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

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Hm. How do you become a soverign nation? 
Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an Integrator.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector

[lakeland]

Did u open it and check the internal fuse?  

Power supplies are the only problem we ever had with Orthogon radios. I have 
about 10 dead ones
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I know where I could borrow one.

But I'm 6+ hours away from you

Wish I were closer.

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  It's more than just a PoE.  All kinds of fancy electronics and junk.
 I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE.

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 On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote:
 What makes it unique?  I have some Canopy ones.  Would they work?

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Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from?  WAV has
 3, but they closed before I could get there.  If I hadn't lost my wallet
 today, I probably could have made it on time.  I'm in Northern IL.

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 I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's
 storms.  Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track
 down some old stock somewhere?


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Link - Poor Performance

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You should be.  LOL!

NP.  Call me monday when it comes back. J/K

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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP

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Exalt
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  Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline?

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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

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What is higher?  How high?
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Anyone used one on a tower to go beyond 100meters?  I need to get higher
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Re: [WISPA] POE / Ethernet extenders

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How do you run the 110 up the tower?
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We would use fiber+120VAC

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Re: [WISPA] Lightning AGAIN

[lakeland]

Could have come in thru the AC power.  I have seen selective failures following 
lightning hits on the service feeds. Just FYI
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Good idea. I had Ethernet surge protectors but it must have jumped them.

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On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:

 At 8/6/2010 04:38 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 For the second week in a row lightning has got me. This time it was my
 main tower taking out my core cisco router, switch, AP. My luck is
 great. Maybe it's time to look at something besides cisco.

 Hmmm, I'm sensing a product opportunity here.  Cisco routers are
 expensive.  So rather than let anything conductive touch them (other
 than the power feed, which presumably has its own protectors), use a
 jumper of all-dielectric fiber to isolate them from anything that
 goes near the outside.  Sort of an air gap, but made of glass...


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Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts

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Rohn Satellite mounts. You will need to clamp another mast pipe to the existing 
pipe to get enough height for more than one 24 dish

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Subject: [WISPA] Roof Mounts



Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable
enough to hold a couple of 24 drums?  It needs to be able to fit over
the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast.  Cant seem
to locate such a beast readily.

Thanks
Chris 
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Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts

[lakeland]

They make a Quickmount that fits on a peaked roof?
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-Original Message-
From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:04:00 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts

Look at quickmount on the tessco site

Jerry Richardson
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On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com  
wrote:



 Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount  
 sizeable
 enough to hold a couple of 24 drums?  It needs to be able to fit over
 the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast.  Cant  
 seem
 to locate such a beast readily.

 Thanks
 Chris
 Intelliwave



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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting

[lakeland]

Oooo!
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-Original Message-
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:35:42 
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Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re:  Mikrotik User Meeting

On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: 
 I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs.  

He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically).  I
simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next
week.  Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the
comments have been very positive.  I have (to my knowledge) taught over
40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including
Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding
the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken.
This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question,
does it?  

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Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave

[lakeland]

Welcome to the world of milimeter band. Its all due to critical construction 
standars and tolerances.

Proxim Gigalink is also done in matched pairs

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:45:06 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave

  Sounds like manufacturers need to solve this problem technically vs. 
procedurally.Apparently that's how it is for this or that reason, 
but it sounds a little too high maintenance for me.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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On 7/9/2010 12:52 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
 One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to our
 reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.

 What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the installer
 and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had someone
 this stupid do something similar?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave

[lakeland]

You can't purchase just one side of a Bridgewave 60 or 80 GHz  link.  The links 
are calibrated to talk in pairs.  The RSL, TX Power and link calibration 
methods are all specific for each preset link.

Even when one radio is known bad (I.e.  dead) and there is an advanced 
replacement plan in place a complete replacement link is shipped from  
Bridgewave at their expense and both sides have to be swapped out. Surely if 
they could ship just one radio it would be more economical and easier for both 
parties but it can't be done.

This is required to maintain the standards at 60 GHz.

If the installer lost the radio either take it out of his pocket, file an 
insurance claim, or eat the loss and move on. Its not Bridewaves fault that the 
radio was lost.

I had a contracted tower crew drop a standoff arm with a new Ceragon radio and 
antenna on it.  $650 for a new flex waveguide jumper.  They can either pay for 
it or file an insurance claim. Sh%t happens.

I just wonder how you lose half of a GE60.

-B-
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:23:14 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: supp...@bridgewave.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave

Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave

 One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to
 our
 reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.

 What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the
 installer
 and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had
 someone
 this stupid do something similar?


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Interference on 11GHz

[lakeland]

Did you do a search on the FCC ULS site to see what is authorized at your 
locations?

I have heard of several issues where the high and low radios were installed at 
the wrong sites on Clear deployments.

Not saying that s the issue but it is something to check

-B-
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Subject: [WISPA] Interference on 11GHz

Anyone know who we would contact at the FCC to help determine what is causing us
interference on our 11GHz link?  Seems to have started as soon as
Clear started putting
a ton of 11GHz gear on one of our broadcast points.  They are saying
they conducted
a study and no interference was found.



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Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

[lakeland]

No. I can't remember the last time I saw a GFCI at a tower site except for a 
service outlet on the outside of a shelter.

 My understanding they are only required in wet locations where corded devices 
are used.

Hardwire a UPS into the circuit and throw the GFCI out.

NEC does not require GFCI's on the outside of commercial structures. 



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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:02:59 
To: Tom Sharplestsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

I suppose you have to weigh between possibly losing an occational
power supply or outages causing multiple truck rolls.
What I really want to know is using a GFCI outlet standard proceedure
for tower installations?

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote:
 They may have saved your gear tho. We do use them on installs in industrial 
 yards, ports, etc. and there I'm quite sure they saved several camaeras, 
 swiches and power supplies from an untimely demise.

 Tom S.

  - Original Message -
  From: Blair Davis
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  Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips


  GFCI's around here trip every time the lightning flashes.

  I won't use them to power radio gear.



  RickG wrote:
 Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've
 had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I
 dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA
 enclosure. Any thoughts?
 Thanks in advance!
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

[lakeland]

We have had problems over the years at sites using GFCI's.  In all cases we 
removed them and hardwired the equipment.

Way too many service interuptions with them in place.

Obviously you need to maintain code but there are always ways around it.

-B-
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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:48:10 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips

Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've
had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I
dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA
enclosure. Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
-RickG



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Re: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

[lakeland]

Sorry I can't help but is it me or do I see a lot of posts on these units 
regarding firmware changes.

I can't remember the last time I did a firmware upgrade on a licensed link.

-B-
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Subject: [WISPA] ANOTHER Apex firmware upgrade problem

We just upgraded one of our 18GHz links to 1.2.3 and now it won't pass
traffic.  We can get into both sides but nothing is going between
them. They show a link and linktest is working, just nothing is
passing.

Toggled back to the previous firmware and that didn't fix it either.

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Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp

[lakeland]

Yeah. What the heck guys?

If it was that involved 3/4's of the people on this list would be unemployed or 
doing something else.

Someone needs to layout the bootstrap version for him.  I can't do it on a 
blackberry

-B-
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From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:33:25 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp

Sheesh you guys, you're scaring him AND making fun of his name.  Welcome 
to the club :)


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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Quantum

[lakeland]

I have a large amount of Compacts in the air without issue.  They work great.

They are not upgradeable to Quantum or Duo.

If you will need the bandwidth then go directly to the Quantum. Be careful of 
your 1+1 idea.  Makes no sense if you are running one common IDU with one 
common ODU with 2 channels

Good luck

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:54:58 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Quantum

Hi all

I am curious to know if anybody tried this product. Any comment?

Another question: can I migrate from Horizon Compact to Quantum or
better to invest directly into the quantum?

Thank you in advance.

P.S. most of the links should be 1+1 or with some form of redundancy

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Re: [WISPA] Hamvention

[lakeland]

That is a myth.  
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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:36:07 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention

You can't use a fiberglass omni at the top of a tower and expect it to
survive a strike unless it has a copper groundrod built inside of it
protruding from the top in which it was designed to take a strike. Learned
this from various HAM radio operators. Only 2.4ghz omni I know of that has a
metal frame and can survive direct strikes are slotted waveguides such as
the various H-POL omni's you see. If I'm going to use a VPOL omni I make
sure I'm not the tallest guy on the tower.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:16 PM
To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention

Ya, the pop (pun intended:) is growing so hopefully it gets sectors soon!

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff
wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wrote:
 On 05/16/2010 07:08 PM, RickG wrote:
 I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took
 a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it
 melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in
 it! I got it back up  running by dropping temporary cables down the
 side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next
 year!

 We had a multi-band comet VHF/UHF for our club repeater on the top of a
 10 story building in Coral Springs a number of years ago and it got
 blown apart similarly. They work good but explode like that when hit.

 Leon





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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[lakeland]

Ok. The truth sucks.  Another government burden on joe business.  What a PITA
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:02:42 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

I agree completely.

WISPA is an association for Wireless ISPs.  Billing is a pretty big factor
in a WISP.  The name behind the list is General so I feel it is completely
on topic.

I would ask that we don't bounce back and forth saying this is or is not the
case.  Find the truth, the facts, then share.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 little to do with wireless. -Jack

 Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
 wireless. For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
 satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
 relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
 to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
 WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
 be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
 Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
 doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
 If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
 the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
 messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
 Just my .02
 -RickG

 On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
  Stuart,
 
  I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the
 list
  and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
  disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article
 to
  the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
  discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
 
  I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have
 seen
  things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
  join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
  professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we
 can't
  control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this
 list,
  which is not something we wish to do.
 
  Respectfully,
 
  Rick Harnish
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
  Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
 
  Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
  does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
  business.
 
  Whatever happened to the federal mandate or so about no tax on
  internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
 
  -- Original Message --
  From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net
  Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
 
  The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
  the
  directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
  
  
  
  
  
  1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
  then One
  Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
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  The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
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  and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
  relationships.
  

Re: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules

[lakeland]

This has always been in effect for individuals.  Its not for entities and its 
surely not new

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] You're going to love this...  New IRS rules

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/

It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a 
year.

Gas station.  Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.Ebay 
purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.

That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say I quit.

Frankly, we should all just quit.   For a week.   Or a month.Call up the 
White House and say you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit. 
When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will realize 
it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns business 
and economics.




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Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount

[lakeland]

Just mount it to a commercial PTZ camera mount. There are plenty on E-Bay and 
you can mount a camera on it to so you know what you are looking at
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:49:18 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount


why not just two TV rotor motors mounted in a cross. Or use a ham rotor on
bottom and light channel master on top. The pole could go thru it so you
could mount a wireless zoom camera to the other side for balance and LOS
convenience. or put Horiz on one side and Vertical on the other, and don't
forget the camera in the middle.  you could be the local loco wisp reporter
at all the breaking news sites. (We know you already have the scanner)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount

Thanks, Mike.  That's pretty close to what I envision. I need azimuth and 
rotation.  I have a set of step motors from an upgrade on one of my 
telescopes and thought of maybe doing a McGyver on it but if there was 
something already out there that would allow a small dish to mount to it it 
would save me time since I never have any as it is.

The mast has a 125 pound payload rating so I can go pretty beefy.

Bob-

- Original Message - 
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount


 Not exactly sure what you're looking for, but Yaesu makes some really nice
 Az/El rotators.  I would think azimuth control would be good enough. 
 There
 are a lot of cheap TV antenna type rotators.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Remotely Adjusted Dish Mount

 I recently acquired an 80 foot Super Heavy Duty Will-Burt telescopic mast
 with the goal for dual use of A) Site Survey and B) Emergency use during 
 AP
 failure.

 I'm looking for a dish mount that can be remotely adjusted while the mast 
 is
 extended.  I haven't seen anything in my searches, wanted to know if 
 anyone
 is using such a thing or have any recommendations of something they have
 seen.

 It's a cool toy so I gots to at least make the wife think I'm really gonna
 use it.

 Bob-





 
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Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

[lakeland]

LOL!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:39:26 
To: sc...@brevardwireless.comsc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA 
GeneralListwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

Hi Scott,

To make sure you're getting the best service, I would start by first making 
sure that whomever you're thinking of going with is registered with the FCC and 
the NSMA -- otherwise, you're just going through a middle-man

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing_1id=microwave

I'd then base my decision on companies on that list that are active members, 
supporters and/or dues-paying contributors of WISPA and the WISP industry

I'm sure if you make it to that stage, the person you decide to ultimately 
negotiate with will give you a competitive and reasonable price =)

-Charles



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:21 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

Any recommendations?  I know several do it, looking for recommendations 
based on past experience / price.

Thanks.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

[lakeland]

What turned you off to Dragonwave?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to
the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but
several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players
that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We
also use Andrews).


On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote:

 Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad
 choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had
 better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and
 waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like
 having three-feet, not just two or four-feet.


 Rubens




 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:
 regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
 both and the decision was based on price... :-(

 Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?


 Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11
 GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz.
 Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for
 large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those
 values are consistent with IP-based (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are
 not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we
 would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small
 packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64
 bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to
 nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see
 your packet size distribution in real time.

 Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain
 periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50
 chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index
 you want to be looking at your NOC.

 We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were
 trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again
 after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades.

 Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we
 regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
 both and the decision was based on price... :-(

 Rubens


 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote:
 Just curious,

 what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?

 Regards

 We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in
 rain zone N so lets see how they hold.

 Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
 in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps)

 Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW
 Horizon

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

 Looking for options...

 Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let
 me
 know... thanks.

 Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or
 under.
 In Florida. Any other better options let me know.

 Thanks for your time

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

[lakeland]

Well with the exception of the CAT5 limitations I believe your concerns with 
the Horizon Compact are unfounded.

I have nearly 40 links in Manhattan on some of the largest buildings in America 
that get direct hits all the time and have had NO issues with Transtector 
arrestors.

Good luck with Nera

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:27:53 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

Oh, and PoE seemed too Unlicensed-ish for us. I hate dealing with PoE with
any equipment backhauls, no matter the brand. We need the ability to mount a
licensed link without worrying how far the Cat5 run is. We have also had
some serious issues with Cat5 lightning arrestors and we would really rather
not deal with those headaches on our licensed backhauls. They need to be
five 9's =)


On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 What turned you off to Dragonwave?
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

 What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to
 the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but
 several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players
 that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We
 also use Andrews).


 On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote:

 Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad
 choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had
 better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and
 waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like
 having three-feet, not just two or four-feet.


 Rubens




 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:
 regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
 both and the decision was based on price... :-(

 Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?


 Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11
 GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz.
 Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for
 large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those
 values are consistent with IP-based (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are
 not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we
 would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small
 packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64
 bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to
 nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see
 your packet size distribution in real time.

 Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain
 periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50
 chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index
 you want to be looking at your NOC.

 We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were
 trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again
 after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades.

 Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we
 regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
 both and the decision was based on price... :-(

 Rubens


 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote:
 Just curious,

 what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?

 Regards

 We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in
 rain zone N so lets see how they hold.

 Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
 in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps)

 Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW
 Horizon

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

 Looking for options...

 Trango Apex is on top of my list for now. If that needs to change let
 me
 know... thanks.

 Kinda sticking to 11Ghz because I need to keep the dishes at 4ft or
 under.
 In Florida. Any other better 

Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

[lakeland]

So you are making your decision on what you saw with Dragonwave equipment in 
2007???

That is not making a lot of sense.

You can open the diagnostic files in notepad and look at everything. No secrets.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:25:17 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

The diagnostics were all windows based it seemed. The issue we have is that
not all machines are windows based and it would be nice to have our
monitoring system be able to run some of the diagnostics as well (which is
Linux based). Not only that but it felt like the deep diags were all closed
source and we would have to send the tech file to Dragonwave support in
order to find out what is going on. There just didn't seem to be as many
metrics available to us in Dragonwave as there were in other equipment for
SNMP etc. I prefer to be proactive in resolving issues :)

But this also was late 2007, I'm sure quite a bit has changed since then.


On 4/20/10 10:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 What turned you off to Dragonwave?
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net
 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:40:59
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

 What issues did you have with Nera? We were looking to go with them due to
 the issues we have had with Ceragon. We looked at Dragonwave as well but
 several things turned us off of them. I don't know of any other big players
 that can do 200+ mbit with options of 11Ghz, 6Ghz and external antennas (We
 also use Andrews).


 On 4/20/10 1:32 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote:

 Prior to be replaced with Ceragon, most of the radios were Nera (bad
 choice) with Andrew antennas (good choice). The Andrew antennas had
 better alignment controls and, most important, better fixation and
 waterproofing. Andrew antennas also had more diameter options, like
 having three-feet, not just two or four-feet.


 Rubens




 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:
 regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
 both and the decision was based on price... :-(

 Why do you dislike the RFS antenna compared to the Andrews?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?


 Only good experience with them. The radios just work. Some were 11
 GHz, some were 18 GHz, only one or two 7.5 GHz.
 Throughput matched the nominal 200/300/400 Mbps for small packets; for
 large packets, 170 out of 200 Mbps and 360 out of 400 Mbps; those
 values are consistent with IP-based (not SDH/PDH) radios (they are
 not 140 or 155 Mbps multiples), but is the total opposite of what we
 would usually expect, as it is easier for the radio to deal with small
 packets, not harder. Considering the Internet traffic has 50% of 64
 bytes packets, that would make the I-mix throughput pretty close to
 nominal; the monitoring software has RMON capabilities so you can see
 your packet size distribution in real time.

 Adaptive modulation worked hitless for reducing speed during rain
 periods, but not every time it would go up again. It was a 50-50
 chance that ACM would bring the modulation up again, so it's an index
 you want to be looking at your NOC.

 We did some firmware upgrades without issues; license upgrades were
 trickier and sometimes Ceragon had to generate license files again
 after we've sent the output from the failed upgrades.

 Except for 7.5 GHz units all the models had integrated antennas; we
 regret boughting those from RFS instead of Andrew, but Ceragon offered
 both and the decision was based on price... :-(

 Rubens


 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com wrote:
 Just curious,

 what about Ceragon? Any good/bad experience with them?

 Regards

 We just did a multi leg 11 Ghz system, 2 21 miles plus links. We are in
 rain zone N so lets see how they hold.

 Used Trango Apex with 4.75 dishes (Trango Branded) Rssi was as expected
 in the low 50's. Full 256 QAM (260 + Mbps)

 Did I mention both were over water? You cant go wrong with Trango o DW
 Horizon

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Carullo
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:24 AM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Best Backhaul link 11Ghz 20 miles @ 100MB?

 Looking for options...

 Trango Apex is on top of my list for 

Re: [WISPA] Proxim quickbridge 5054

[lakeland]

I have around 700 deplayed in ptp configuration. The 5054 quickbridge is going 
to max out around 22-24 Mbps. You said you have 'high' interference but not 
sure what you mean as it relates to the spectrum. 5.8 only or all 5 GHz band?  
You also don't specify link path length. Is this a short or longh link?

Personally if its a short link and I wanted to ensure the VoIP traffic got thru 
I would use the new 8100 Quickbridge. You could set it for a 20 or 40 MHz 
channel and MIMO would pretty much guarantee that the traffic would get thru

Not the most spectrally efficient method but it would work

Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:42:30 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Proxim quickbridge 5054

Anybody used this unit as a ptp? I have an area that has high  
interference and was looking for something that would give me the most  
options to work around it.  It will be used for a customer that will  
have 30 voip lines and 10 Meg data.

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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

[Lakeland]

I agree with WHO.   But you are talking MONTHS and not even sure if anything 
has been done. How many people out here can wait MONTHS for a cure to their 
issue? And its unknown if there even was or will be any enforcement action. 

If I make a complaint to enforcement regarding a licensed interference issue 
they are on that within 24 hours. If I tell them who and where and/or its a 
public safety issue they will usually respond within hours. 

But you're saying MONTHS with all the right info. 

I don't know.  Still sounds like what I said. 

:-) 

 -B- 

 

 


Marlon K. Schafer writes: 

 I get what you are saying Bob.  But sometimes it's more about knowing WHO to 
 call. 
 
 I just had a guy call with a similar problem.  You all know him and I'd drop 
 his name but I don't want to tip off the dirt bag operator. 
 
 When he first called the FCC he ended up at the wrong place.  They told him 
 that there was nothing they could do. 
 
 I had him call back and specifically ask for the enforcement folks NOT the 
 consumer complaint folks. 
 
 He had pictures, spectrum analyzer, radio screen shots etc. that showed, 
 clearly, that the other guy was aiming antennas right at his.  When the good 
 guy moved channels the bad guy moved with him, within days.  He was also 
 able to get together with another local WISP who added his name to the 
 complaint. 
 
 This did take a couple of months to work through the system but last I'd 
 heard the FCC HAD been working on this complaint.  Perhaps it's far enough 
 along that the good guy can tell you a bit more. 
 
 1-800-call-fcc  Ask for ENFORCEMENT.  You need to have your documentation in 
 order first. 
 
 It's true that we all have to accept interference.  It's also true that we 
 can't CAUSE it maliciously.  They also have a hissy fit when we go over the 
 allowable power levels. 
 
 For what it's worth, nearly all of my systems are below, often well below, 
 legal levels.  They tend to work better that way anyhow.  Use bigger 
 antennas not more power.  Range and reliability is about SNR.  You can get 
 that in two ways.  More power is one.  Better ears is another.  Better ears 
 also mean narrower beams which usually means less interference which also 
 means greater SNR which means longer ranges which means less AP's which 
 means less interference etc. etc. etc. 
 
 laters,
 marlon 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 
 
 
 Marlon, 

 You have personal contacts. That's cheating.  I have contacts too and 
 could
 probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp 
 calling
 the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you
 usually only get the recorded TV interference message. 

 Maybe I'm just totally wrong. 

 -B- 

 

 Marlon K. Schafer writes: 

 H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. 

 marlon 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 


 Sorry  I side with Travis. 

 I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly
 and
 DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and 
 workforce
 they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections 
 that
 they are required by law to do. 

 There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they
 are
 causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some
 other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint 
 between
 two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. 

 Thats the reality of the matter. 

 -B- 

 

 


 Jerry Richardson writes: 

 Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel
 gets the grease. 

 Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP,
 previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. 

 Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are 
 affecting
 other legitimate users of the band. 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 

 Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas.
 They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. 

 Travis
 Microserv 

 Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
 On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

 Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is
 intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get 
 involved
 but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build

Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

[Lakeland]

Marlon, 

You have personal contacts. That's cheating.  I have contacts too and could 
probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp calling 
the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you 
usually only get the recorded TV interference message. 

Maybe I'm just totally wrong. 

 -B- 

 

Marlon K. Schafer writes: 

 H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. 
 
 marlon 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 
 
 
 Sorry  I side with Travis. 

 I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly 
 and
 DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce
 they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that
 they are required by law to do. 

 There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they 
 are
 causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some
 other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between
 two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. 

 Thats the reality of the matter. 

 -B- 

 

 


 Jerry Richardson writes: 

 Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel 
 gets the grease. 

 Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, 
 previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. 

 Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting 
 other legitimate users of the band. 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 

 Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas.
 They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. 

 Travis
 Microserv 

 Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
 On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

 Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is 
 intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved 
 but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong 
 enough case. 


 if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. 

 leon 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

[Lakeland]

Last I heard there were 2 engineers in the NYC office to cover 350+ annual 
TV, radio station, maritime, radar, etc. inspections.  Do the math.  
Including travel it just doesn't work and they are required to do the 
inspections. Add that to interference complaints of licensed services by 
other licensed operators, unauthorized broadcast pirates and tower painting 
and lighting complaints and there is no time or resources to chase Part 15 
 -vs- Part 15 complaints. Now, if it involves interference to a licensed 
operator who the FCC is required by law to protect  then yes it will 
happen with the right evidence and information.. 

I know of several cases where there was more than enough evidence 
including pictures, statements, recordings, etc. and still nothing was done. 

It just comes down to priorities. 

 -B- 

 


Tom DeReggi writes: 

 I dont necessarilly agree with that, and I dont think the FCC would either.
 What I do know is they dont want to go out of their way to harrass WISPs and 
 take action that will result in Consumers loosing their broadband, 
 unnecessarilly. (although they cant say that out loud.)
 To get action from the FCC, the complainer needs to provide proof that the 
 alledged violator is in fact in violation, and proof that it is causing 
 harm.
 It cant just be a theory or allegation.
 I recognize there are budget cuts, shortage of time, and higher priorities, 
 but also I dont believe there are really all that many complaints that 
 actually are backed with real proof, and really getting harmed.
 The FCC has enough man power to respond to legitimate critical complaints, 
 where there is a good reason to investigate. 
 
 However, I agree engaging an Attorny and having him send a letter is 
 probably a quicker way to get an initial response. 
 
 The second both sides start to have to spend money at lawyer rates, people 
 get real quickly, on how important it is or isn't to have the illegal radio 
 isntalled or removed. 
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List 
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 
 
 
 This is really the only way to handle this.  Send them a cease and desist
 letter because they are interrupting your service and serve them certified
 mail.  Then go after them with a lawyer. 

 Unless the entity that is receiving interference is the FCC or works for
 them, I would say you have no chance whatsoever to get any action from the
 Commission. 

 Part 15 is not allowed to interfere and must accept any interference that 
 is
 does receive.  A simple clarification from the FCC.  Don't call
 us.We'll call you 

 -B- 

 

 

 Tom Sharples writes: 

 There is another approach to consider - sue them for tortuous 
 interference
 : 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference 

 which has nothing to do with RF interference, but rather refers to
 intentionally disturbing or destroying your business relationship with 
 your
 customers. 

 Tom S. 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 


 Only if over the EIRP of 36dB. 

 One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel =
 40dB. 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 

 On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is
 intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved
 but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong 
 enough
 case. 

 if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. 

 leon 


 
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Re: [WISPA] rugged spectrum analyzer

[Lakeland]

Kurt, 

Try Paul Zappa at RF Image in Las Vegas 702-248-0414.  I purchased several 
demo Anritsu SiteMasters from him and he had demo MS2721 Spectrum Analyzers 
for about $6500 if I remember.  He's a straight shooter and I have never had 
a problem. 

His E-Bay feedback is 100% with 735 sales. And he sells a lot of Anritsu 
equipment. 


Bob 

 

 

Kurt Fankhauser writes: 

 Looking at possibly purchasing a rugged, industrial spectrum analyzer up to
 6ghz. 
 
   
 
 I know these are costly (over 10k) but after 6 years we are finally in a
 position to buy one. Does anyone have any suggestions? I am looking at the
 following model
 http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=377674
 http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=377674eventPage=1
 eventPage=1
 
   
 
 Does anyone have any experience with it or suggestions to another? 
 
   
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

[Lakeland]

This is really the only way to handle this.  Send them a cease and desist 
letter because they are interrupting your service and serve them certified 
mail.  Then go after them with a lawyer. 

Unless the entity that is receiving interference is the FCC or works for 
them, I would say you have no chance whatsoever to get any action from the 
Commission. 

Part 15 is not allowed to interfere and must accept any interference that is 
does receive.  A simple clarification from the FCC.  Don't call 
us.We'll call you 

 -B- 

 

 

Tom Sharples writes: 

 There is another approach to consider - sue them for tortuous interference 
 : 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference 
 
 which has nothing to do with RF interference, but rather refers to 
 intentionally disturbing or destroying your business relationship with your 
 customers. 
 
 Tom S. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 
 
 
 Only if over the EIRP of 36dB. 

 One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel = 
 40dB. 

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 

 On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is 
 intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved 
 but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough 
 case. 

 if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. 

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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

[Lakeland]

Sorry  I side with Travis. 

I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly and 
DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce 
they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that 
they are required by law to do. 

There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they are 
causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some 
other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between 
two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. 

Thats the reality of the matter. 

 -B- 

 

 


Jerry Richardson writes: 

 Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel gets 
 the grease. 
 
 Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, 
 previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. 
 
 Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting 
 other legitimate users of the band. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! 
 
 Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas.
 They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. 
 
 Travis
 Microserv 
 
 Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
 On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

 Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is 
 intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but 
 it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. 


 if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. 

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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

[Lakeland]

That's great.  Then we will have something to tie up every guy that walks by 
with a base ball cap that has a rubber duckie antenna sticking out of it !   
LOL! 

 

 


Blake Bowers writes: 

 If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. 
 
 
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest 
 
 
 OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
 May. Anyone else going?
 -RickG 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Proxim QB-8100 / MP-8100

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They Rock.
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-Original Message-
From: Patrick Cole z...@amused.net
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:44:49 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Proxim QB-8100 / MP-8100

Hi all,

Proxim's new 3x3 and 2x2 MIMO based radios... 

The local proxim rep is pushing these products very hard and the price looks
very competetive, has anyone used them and can comment on how they perform
with regards to performance, reliability  features.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Mounts

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-Original Message-
From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:48:22 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Mounts

We are planning on opening up a few new towers and will have limited 
space vertically, I'm looking for a source for sidearms to mount my 
sector antennas on. The new towers are A-Frames, and I need to extend 
out from the tower probably at 2'-3' away. I'd like to hear what others 
use for this sort of thing and what vendors I can look to for products 
to fit our needs.

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Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder

[lakeland]

A Licensed Eletrician with an Insurance Certificate. :-)
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-Original Message-
From: Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:04:56 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder

Licensed Electrician is also a way of CYA in case anything goes wrong.

-- 
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http://www.mtin.net
http://www.metrospan.net



From: Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:10:39 -0700
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder

Josh Luthman wrote:
 Licensed is good.  Someone you know with experience and knowledge is
 better.
Very very true.

   Especially when you ask them to do a solid job.
   
Yep.

 Did something happen recently?
   

Nope. Just the recent thread on the list about switching stuff around.
It seemed wrong
to me, and looks like it is according to follow up posts.  :)







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Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

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That will work.  But the mastic is a PITA for a reason.  It works all the time 
regardless the weather, temp, etc.  We have tried a lot of things over the 
years and its the one that always keeps the water out

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Steven McGehee stev...@qx.net
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:52:57 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques


Quick question, does anyone have any thoughts or experience with 3M's 
Temflex Rubber Splicing Tape?

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/SolutionsCatalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OUP7_nid=SZ13NWVCGZbeCKZWSKS2T3gl

It's really cheap ($3/22ft x .75) and obviously economy-class stuff, 
but I just need it for a coat of weathering, not high voltage lines. I 
find Scotch 2200 series Mastic to be too much trouble to remove when 
necessary and I want something less gooey than the Thomas  Betts Duct 
Putty I have been using. My thought would be to do a layer of Super-88, 
then Temflex, then a layer of Super-33 tape on top.

Just curious; thanks.

-Steven



On 3/2/2010 12:58, Marco Coelho wrote:
 We prefer:
 Layer  Material
 1 coating of liquid scotch coat
 2 3M self vulcanizing tape
 3 coating of liquid scotch coat
 4 3M self vulcanizing tape
 5 cheap electrical tape

 The liquid scotch coat really seals everything up.  No issues with
 pvc, teflon, or other jacket materials.  The 3M tape creates a
 continuous sheath (rap bottom up).  The second layer ensures no leaks
 if the first layer was misaplied.  The electrical tape is to prevent
 the sun from breaking down the 23 tape.

 I've never seen a cable done this way leak in any fashion.  I cannot
 say this for mastic.

 Marco Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.

 Items:

 http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=340-250source=googleps

 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=EWrrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialq=scotch+23+rubber+splicing+tapeoq=um=1ie=UTF-8cid=12178016387841989432ei=9FCNS7LrGNOWtgfJ6qTwCAsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CB8Q8wIwAg#ps-sellers


 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

[lakeland]

Never say never.  Maybe if you are right next to their site but I am pretty 
confident that you can get a site approved with the right engineering study and 
maybe a waiver request.  Depends on how bad you want it

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:11:27 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

If you are in an exclusion zone with SES Americom you can count on never 
as far as being able to deploy WiMax.


ralphlists wrote:
 It is a new nationwide license. But I'm also interested in the time frame
 for the base station registration as well.

 It's not me. It is for a friend.
 My nationwide license took 4 months, but that was back when they first came
 out.


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:58 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

 Are you applying for a license, or a new location on an existing license?



 On 3/9/2010 8:53 AM, ralphlists wrote:
   
 How long is the FCC taking these days for a new license?


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Re: [WISPA] Service in Ft. Myers FL

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I tried that 2 weeks ago with no answer

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:39:09 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Service in Ft. Myers FL

Need some - contact me with info thanks...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Prefab Tower Foundations

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Really?   


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:02:33 
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Re: [WISPA] Electric Hoist?

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I agree with Brad.  Lifting a 4' dish is like lifting a 13 sq ft piece of 
plywood. 

Be careful. You need to tag this load about 150+ feet from the base of the 
tower to protect other equipment on the tower and your antenna. Very 
unpredictable if not rigged right.

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:12:45 
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Electric Hoist?

I need to Install 2 4' dishes @ 180,

 

Im looking for a place to buy or rent a capstan hoist

 

Any ideas?

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

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Many cell guys do this when building sites. Each site is its own corporation
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-Original Message-
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 21:38:32 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

The more I do these, the more I like using a separate corporation for
the purpose. Thanks!

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
 I am sure Blake will agree with me.  No two contracts are the same
 especially in the tower business and especially when dealing with
 municipalities.

 If you don't like a clause submit a change request.  Their will either
 entertain it or say no.  The other thing that might happen is they just
 stop talking to you.

 I don't know what you are paying them, if anything, but I would run with
 this.  Its not out of the norm but it would be nice to have the
 reciprocity in case they do something that makes you liable.  If you are
 that worried, open another corporation and sign the lease under that
 one.  Lease network services to you existing company and if something
 ever happens you have the buffer.

 Slimy but its done every day.

 -B-



 RickG wrote:
 One of our favorite topics :)

 So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've
 posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these
 days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made
 some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is
 that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement
 contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the
 indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows:

 INDEMNIFICATION:
 The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify
 Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any other
 claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's
 use of the
 easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful
 conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set 
 forth
 in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights
 afford under its Sovereign Immunity.

 Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does
 the reverse! Thoughts?
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- but notforWISP's that's for sure.

[lakeland]

You know what will make America more technogically competitive?  Not selling 
out the little guy for the big guy with money.

I hate to say it but I would be really surprised to see any real white space 
for solid Wisp unlicensed use.

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:37:36 
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not
forWISP's that's for sure.

Yup.   Auction = huge dollars, the kind none of us have.



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From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:33 PM
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org 
memb...@wispa.org; Motorla List Beehive motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not 
forWISP's that's for sure.

 This plan also looks real bad for white spaces ---

 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless

 By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward

 WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national
 broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next
 decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet
 access will be key to making America more technologically competitive.
 




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum---- but notforWISP's that's for sure.

[lakeland]

I don't think that money would buy the whiite space over The mist remote part 
of Alaska I'm sorry to say
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-Original Message-
From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:43:14 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not
forWISP's that's for sure.

What if all the wispa members put in $200 (or $2000) to buy the space?

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Yup.   Auction = huge dollars, the kind none of us have.



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 From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:33 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] FCC Broadband plan call for more spectrum but not
 forWISP's that's for sure.

 This plan also looks real bad for white spaces ---

 1. FCC plan calls for 500 MHz of new spectrum for wireless

     By Phil Goldstein  Comment |  Forward

 WASHINGTON--FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said the commission's national
 broadband plan will call for freeing up 500 MHz of spectrum over the next
 decade for mobile broadband use, noting that expanded wireless Internet
 access will be key to making America more technologically competitive.




 
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Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

[lakeland]

www.laborsavingdevices com


Something for everyone.

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:34:14 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

Glow rods are the best things since sliced bread!

AKA fish sticks, fiber poles, etc.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 I use the same things, love em!  I use them in drop ceilings, can certainly
 see them in the dark!  They are also my favorite tool with vinyl siding.  I
 hate putting holes in vinyl siding so I use a siding tool to separate the
 sections, push the rods in the gap at the corner of the house behind the
 siding to where I want the hole.  Drill, stuff it in, pull the rods back
 out, put the siding back together..  No sign of ever being there.

 I picked mine up at Lowes I think.  Have 2 packs of them for extra length.
 I think they were called Fish Sticks.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David Hulsebus
 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:59 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fish Tape / OT

 I like the glow rods, we use 4 ft sections of a fiberglass rods with
 threaded ends that I bought 30 years ago to clean  my chimney.  I have
 40 ft. I think I paid less than $5 for extension rods without a bristle
 head. I've seen them at Walmart and Tractor Supply.

 Dave Hulsebus

 AJ wrote:
  We've used a conduit rodder with mixed success in the past - works
 excellent
  for buried conduit that is partially blocked; drop ceiling work is a bit
  more complicated but for the majority of the time, if it's a drop
  ceiling/plenum space, it's no longer than our standard fish tape.
 
  http://www.wctproducts.com/rodder_page.htm#bigbuddy
 
  On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Scott Carullo
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:
 
 
  Good morning...
 
  Looking for a good fiberglass fish tape 250-500 feet
 
  Anyone that has any good suggestions on what they have used and like let
 me
  know please.
 
  I already have the vacuum and string rig the fish tape is for something
  else...  Thanks
 
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Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

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It was somebodies fault. 

 I have an alibi.

:-)

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-Original Message-
From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:51:20 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

Didn't feel in in SE Missouri.  
What fault is that?  Looks too North to be New Madrid.

Victoria Proffer
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:41 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Earthquake in Northern Illinois

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010snay.php

I know you in CA are like yeah, yeah, big deal...  but we only feel them
once every few years.

No damage that I'm aware of.


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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

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10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room 
that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available 
rooms for 50 miles. 

I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon 
the thing!  LOL

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From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my
normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show.  Never.

Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed 
as
it was 10 years ago too.

4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first
place I stopped at, a Drury.

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


 Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in 
 the
 area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the 
 convention.
 There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your
 idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the
 locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of
 competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay 
 higher
 airfare.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so 
 much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort 
 of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more 
 people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us 
 WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
 that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong
 positives.

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
 the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing
 on our 

Re: [WISPA] Extra jacketed CAT5e

[lakeland]

1351A is the heavy duty outdoor version we use. But that number is for CAT6 I 
believe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:21:57 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Extra jacketed CAT5e

I seen some cat5e once that had a second jacket around it, it was obviously
made for outdoors and was very durable and it was running through a woods
just laying on the ground. I think it was made by Belkin. Does anyone know
what this is and if you have a link where I can get it that would be great.

 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

[lakeland]

I like Ham  Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City.

Pulled pork is my favorite!

:-)

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I would love for it to be during HAM.

Right around the corner from me.

On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
 that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong
 positives.

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
 the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing
 on our own.

 All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so
 that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to
 happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to
 get a show put on.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 forwarding to the list.

 Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather
 than to the sender?  Thanks,

 Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We need
 our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.

 Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.  I
 believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more
 intimate
 etc.

 I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year.
 It
 shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together.  We know
 who the vendors and attendees would be.  And we know, basically, what
 would
 need to be presented.

 The members want a show.  The vendors want a show.  Someone just has to DO
 a
 show.

 If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things.
 I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here
 right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: li...@manageisp.com
 To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show



 Marlon,
 The tentative plan with Ed's group is that 

Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

[lakeland]

I think you forgot the most expensive part.  Insurance

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:28:18 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

Most towns will allow this - however they may charge you a few fees. 

1.  Franchise Fee:  This can be tricky.   Some locales will request to know the 
number of clients going through the link and then charge you a flat fee per 
client.  If you take a look at your catv bill (and others) you may notice a 
franchise fee.   While this is a general overview - it kinda explains it.
2.  Permit Fee:  self explanatory
3.  Interconnect / Cross Over Fees

Overall most of the time these are not expensive - what might be is the 
interconnect / cross over fees the facility may charge - but of course chances 
are if your going to the roof or to a pole - you will have those fees.

If you contemplate fiber (which imho is a great choice due to the yield of 
bandwidth ) there are two camps of thought.

A.  Get just what you need today 
B.  Plan for tomorrow... 

Either way its best to use an outdoor construction cable as well as one that is 
built to be stranded between buildings and/or poles:  loose tube construction 
perhaps might be best for the application - just make sure you grab the 
gel-filled vs empty or dry-block if you plan for this long term.  If this is 
planned to be long term use and is a primary back haul I suggest doing it right 
the first time.

Questions - feel free to ask on the list - or off :-)


_
Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com 
  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.

On Jan 31, 2010, at 1:59 PM, John Thomas wrote:

 Midnight overhead fiber run...  :-)
 
 John
 
 Jeremie Chism wrote:
 I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone  
 company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get  
 it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at  
 that range.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

[lakeland]

You can get a Proxim 60250 Quickbridge for about $6K. 100 Mb. Full Duplex. 60 
GHz
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-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:35:31 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

Depends on what flavor of fiber you need (SM - MM) and if you want/need
their AES256/FIPS encryption or not.  If the link is truly across the
street than a BridgeWave 60GHz link would be a good fit for a FDX GigE
pipe.  Too much farther than that (depending on the region you plan to
deploy) you'll probably need 80GHz for 99.999% availability.

Best,



Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

What's the price on bridgewave?

It will do gigabit.

On 1/30/10, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
 company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
 it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
 that range.

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Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

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You can get a brand new 38 GHz DS3 hop on Ebay for less than a grand

For another grand you lease the radio channel and you're done.

Gives you DS3 out to your router.

Less than $2K for the real deal.

Or I have a Proxim DS3 or 45 MHz link used for a great price off list.

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:02:26 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

It's a ds3 connection so 45 Meg. I want something reliable but cost  
effective.

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On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.net  
wrote:

 Can you give us more info? Bridgewave or Eband would be great. They  
 have the
 highest throughput. What frequencies are available and how much  
 bandwidth
 are you looking for. Lastly, what is the ballpark budget for the  
 project.
 This can be done from $700 up to $35,000. In other words there are a  
 ton of
 options.

 Mike Goicoechea
 VP of Operations
 Cielo Systems International
 806-977-9001 ext 101
 806-763-1945 fax
 Skype Mike.Goik
 m...@cielosystems.net

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

 I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
 company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
 it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
 that range.

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

[lakeland]

Btw. The lease is a 5yr lease
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-Original Message-
From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:39:57 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd:  Short range backhaul

It's hard to turn down a ds3 for 2k a month. Just had to figure this  
part out.

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Begin forwarded message:

 From: lakel...@gbcx.net
 Date: January 30, 2010 9:29:07 PM CST
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
 Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org


 You can get a brand new 38 GHz DS3 hop on Ebay for less than a grand

 For another grand you lease the radio channel and you're done.

 Gives you DS3 out to your router.

 Less than $2K for the real deal.

 Or I have a Proxim DS3 or 45 MHz link used for a great price off list.

 Bob
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:02:26
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

 It's a ds3 connection so 45 Meg. I want something reliable but cost
 effective.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.net
 wrote:

 Can you give us more info? Bridgewave or Eband would be great. They
 have the
 highest throughput. What frequencies are available and how much
 bandwidth
 are you looking for. Lastly, what is the ballpark budget for the
 project.
 This can be done from $700 up to $35,000. In other words there are a
 ton of
 options.

 Mike Goicoechea
 VP of Operations
 Cielo Systems International
 806-977-9001 ext 101
 806-763-1945 fax
 Skype Mike.Goik
 m...@cielosystems.net

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

 I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
 company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to  
 get
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Re: [WISPA] [SPAM-URL-BL] Where is Jack Rickard?

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LOL. I remember that!  Will the real Stuart Pierce please stand up!
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Delp miked...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:19:34 
To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM-URL-BL] Where is Jack Rickard?

If I remember that week, he was Stuart Pierce.  So was everyone else.  :)


Mike

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:

 No, I'm Jack Rickard.

 -- Original Message --
 From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:20:56 -0600

 I have had the pleasure of staying in touch with Jack Rickard,  the
 founder
 of Boardwatch Magazine and ISPCON, over the last few years. His new
 passion
 these days is building electric cars and reporting on his progress on the
 technology. It obviously has nothing to do with wireless but many of you
 probably followed Jack for years through the early days of the Internet
 and
 I thought you might want to watch some video of his latest projects. This
 is
 better than anything shown on History, Discover and the Learning Channel
 combined. If you do not watch anything else make sure you watch his test
 drive videos of his electric Porsche. The discussions he shares are even
 more fascinating than the car itself. Sorry for the off topic post. For
 many
 of you I think you will agree that it is worth going off base a little.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole?

[lakeland]

Get some conduit straps and screw them into the pole
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-Original Message-
From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:10:10 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole?

I kinda ruled out stainless hose clamps after seeing a solar panel fall from
the leg of a Trylon tower about a decade ago... Granted, there were two
sharp points (inside ends of the L shaped tower leg) that probably
contributed to the failure in high winds, but in this case where it's only
wood, that might work.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 Get a piece of 1 1/4 conduit and bend like this:

l
l
l
 l
 l
 l
 l
 l


 And strap it to the pole with stainless hose clamps

 If you are just mounting an omni you can get away with 1

 -B-




 AJ wrote:
  Anyone have any detailed photos or ideas for side mounting to a wooden
  utility pole?
 
  We have a site that will only allow side mounting at about 35' AGL on a
  wooden utility pole.
 
  I considered building a stand off bracket out of Unistrut and mounting it
  directly through the hole with galvanized hardware but it seems a bit
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Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?

[lakeland]

Well. as a guy that uses this equipment every day I can verify that a large 
amount of individuals with titles and letters after their names don't have a 
clue.

:-)

Not all...just a good quantity of them

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:28:24 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?

No offense, but as also a BSEE, I offer that many people with
a degree still have no clue about test equipment or simple things like 
soldering irons.

I recall all too clearly a young lady who had her BSEE doing an
internship with the FBI, who had no idea how those components
were actually connected together on a board.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?


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Re: [WISPA] Collections

[lakeland]

Can't you just save them all up and go to small claims court?  Make one trip 
and don't share any money with anyone.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:29:44 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Collections

What do you guys pay for people to do collections?

I was complaining about people that owe me money to someone I know and she 
volunteered herself to do the work.  I guess she used to work for a collections 
company and was quite effective.  I'm assuming a percentage of what she 
collects, but what percent?  25%, 50%, 75%?


-
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[lakeland]

Marlon the Pittbull Detective.  Go get dude.

If you pay for a roundtrip ticket I have a friend come out from Brooklyn!  LOL

Goog Luck
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-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:43:32 
To: tractipp...@swiftwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

Heya Tracy,

Turns out this was a misunderstanding.  The equipment that got stolen was 
the CPE at the office in TOWN, not the solar site out in the sticks.

Not sure how those wires got crossed, but the solar sit is still working 
well.

We did see the cpe come online for a few seconds since we figured this out 
though.  It'll be interesting to see if we can figure out how to track down 
who stole it :-).
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Tracy Tippett tracytipp...@swiftwireless.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site



 Hi Marlon,

 Sorry about your gear - give me a ring

 Tracy Tippett
 866-582-7287

 --Original Mail--
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:50:47 -0800
 Subject: [WISPA] stolen solar site

 Deep sigh.

 I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
 hardware, poof.

 What do you guys do to secure them?

 I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!

 It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
 remote location, not at all publicized.

 Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?

 ug
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] Collections

[lakeland]

Understood

I collect about 90% of my money without even getting in the court house.  Just 
go there, fill out forms and then wait for the phone to ring.

Good luck getting them

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:08:20 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collections

I'm too lazy to chase them.  If I don't sub it out to someone, no one will 
be on their butt about paying up.

It wouldn't even be an official collections agency, just someone doing a one 
time consulting type job for me...  only instead of configuring a router, 
they'd be typing into the virtual terminal.  ;-)


-
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From: lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:50 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collections

 Can't you just save them all up and go to small claims court?  Make one 
 trip and don't share any money with anyone.
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:29:44
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Collections

 What do you guys pay for people to do collections?

 I was complaining about people that owe me money to someone I know and she 
 volunteered herself to do the work.  I guess she used to work for a 
 collections company and was quite effective.  I'm assuming a percentage of 
 what she collects, but what percent?  25%, 50%, 75%?


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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[lakeland]

Install eyehooks in each panel and daisey chain a wire through the panels. 
Connect the cable to a pair of N/C contacts on an ethernet SMS alarm panel.  
They cut the cable, you grt an alarm. 

Otherwise find some way to connect them together so its really time consuming 
or difficult to disassemble

My experience has been if they can't take it, they usually damage it.  Lil' 
SOB's.

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:12:48 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

All I can say it that it was a story Forrest shared.  Using one of the
modules a circuit was made between the door and some contact.  Once the
circuit was broken an alarm went off and the company with cops waited for
them at the base.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Albert Einstein


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote:

 I also would be interested in the alarm information.
 Thanx
 NGL

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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:03 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

  Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very least.
 
  Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other thieves
  caught.
 
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
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  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 
  That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
  it's down?
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   Deep sigh.
  
   I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
   hardware, poof.
  
   What do you guys do to secure them?
  
   I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
  
   It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.
  Pretty
   remote location, not at all publicized.
  
   Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
  
   ug
   marlon
  
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[lakeland]

Drag the welder up there. Couple of pieces of 3 x 3 angle and weld the whole 
mess together to the mounting pipe.  Cement the pipe in the ground with 6 bags. 
 They won't be able to carry it.  

You'll need a grinder to service it or replace the panels

Lol

Good luck dude.

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-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:16 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

Wouldn't have mattered.  They'd have been and gone long before anyone could 
have gotten up there to check it out.

This only services 6 homes.  They'll call when it's down

I'm gonna have to come up with something different for up there.
marlon

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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


 That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
 it's down?

 Travis
 Microserv


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Deep sigh.

 I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
 hardware, poof.

 What do you guys do to secure them?

 I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!

 It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
 remote location, not at all publicized.

 Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?

 ug
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors

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Rick

You need to search the model numvers on line and verify polarity.  A lot of 
cell antennas are 45 degree cross pol. So they are not vert or horiz but stock 
in between.

Jumpers for these are easy to find on Ebay. You need DIN male to N male.  If 3' 
jumpers work for you hit me off list.  I have those comming out of my.

But check the polarity

Bob
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-Original Message-
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:29:57 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz sectors

A Cell company gave me some old 900Mhz sector antennas. They said nothing
wrong with them, they're just not using those frequencies any more. The
label is marked for 890-940Mhz. Any issues with using them?
Also, they have Heliax (female) connectors. Where can I get pigtails that
convert them to N-Female?
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