Re: [WISPA] Remote Access

[Charles N Wyble]

On 03/08/2012 02:43 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> We've currently got a customer using the a sonicwall SSL VPN
> Netextender to VPN into their internal network. However, Lately it
> hasn't been working to well for them. And they are getting a few mac's
> in the mix these days. And sonicwall says the software doesn't work
> with macs and there is no plan to.
>
> Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as
> pretty much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were
> looking for something that might be a little more user friendly.
> Anyone have any suggestions.
> The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like
> windows filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion.

OpenVPN.

http://www.thesparklabs.com/viscosity/


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Re: [WISPA] WHMCS any body using it for WISP billing?

[Charles N Wyble]

On 10/03/2011 03:02 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> Dear All
>
> just curious to hear from your stories about WHMS...
>
> anybody using it for the WISP market? I know it is well accepted in the 
> domain/hosting market just wondering about the wireless thing
>
> Thank you in advance
>
>
NO. Don't use WHMCS. It's horrible. Ask me offlist for more if anyone is
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News

[Charles N Wyble]

Is there an official statement from AT&T on the DSL bandwidth cap? I 
can't find one. I can just find the broadband reports blog post on it.

On 3/16/2011 10:07 AM, Matt wrote:
> http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=bandwidth+cap&form=QBNB&qs=n&sk=&sc=8-13
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Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch

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On 02/28/2011 09:52 AM, Brad Belton wrote:
> And here I am thinking all this time that I was the only one who would
> appreciate a device like this!  I spoke with someone at Streakwave a few
> months ago about this and basically got a blank stare response.  He had no
> idea why I would want such a thing..
> 
>  
> 
> So, to any manufacturers up to the task, here is (IMO) a starting point of a
> bullet point list for the PoE device I'm envisioning:
> 
>  
> 
> (1)  Multi-port models.  (e.g. 6, 12 & 24 ports) 

Of course.

> 
> (2)  SNMP & Web Interface Management with ACL firewall.

Explain more? What do you want to query via SNMP? Write via SNMP? Why
does it need an ACL system? Why not just use your existing network
security system to keep people out? You do have a dedicated
infrastructure management network right?

> 
> (3)  Redundant power supplies with separate power cords.  (e.g. UPS "Blue" &
> UPS "Red")

Of course. How much power would need to come in? Would the power
supplies be hot swappable?

> 
> (4)  Dip switch DC polarity selectable per port.  (e.g. Trango/Canopy vs.
> UBNT, etc.)


> 
> (5)  Dip switch 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC passive and standard 802.3af selectable
> per port.


Hmmm. Why not just do this via software interface (like cisco poe switch
for example). That would make the most sense to me.

> 
> (6)  1U shallow depth form factor.

Naturally

> 
> (7)  Auto-Ping per port.

What does this mean? Is this like an iboot where if it doesn't receive a
heartbeat in specified time period it cycles power on the port? Of
course you would be able to disable this when doing maintenance that is
a longer outage (like say flashing firmware or something)

> 
> (8)  LED Status indicators per port.

Why? Just give it via SNMP/web interface. (Guess I'm just so used to
being a remote support person that I never expect to have local access.
Have managed 10s of thousands of remote systems that I never saw).

> 
> (9)  Optional DC power source model for solar sites?

DC power is a requirement I think. On every model.

> 
> (10)  Optional Trango Apex/Orion GigE model?

Don't know what this is. Maybe others on the list will?

> What else would be beneficial in the design of this PoE controller?

Think you about covered it.

One thinks Cisco would do something like this and make it fairly
dumb/cheap. They already meet all your above requirements (well don't
know about redundant power supply on 1U but I imagine that could easily
be done).

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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] non-802.3 rackmount poe switch
> 
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[WISPA] Internet service in Austin TX

[Charles N Wyble]

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Hello,

I'm going to be relocating to Austin TX (northeast. Anderson Springs
apartment complex). Anyone out there providing net access?

I also will be keeping my small WISP in CA going, as I have many
friends/colleagues back here. Very interested in mapping initiatives
etc. I noticed that Austin has some great GIS resources and seems quite
tech savvy.

If no one is serving the area currently, I'll probably start another
WISP up.



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[WISPA] Fwd: Cruzio peering

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A Cruzio employee kindly provided me with the following information
regarding their peering and connectivity. I pasted it below (with
permission) because I thought it might be of use to others:

"Cruzio maintains a backbone of wireless points of presence (POP) on
various mountain tops overlooking the Monterey Bay, South
San Francisco Bay, and Silicon Valley Regions.

Cruzio wireless POPs are present on Mount Umunhum, Mount Allison,
Loma Prieta and Black Mountain to name a few.

Cruzio wireless POPs are fed from the Equinix San Jose facility. At
Equinix, Cruzio is cross connected into a peering exchange to an
aggregate of content providers which include Google, You Tube and
several others. Non-peered connectivity is provided by Above.net who is
also colocated in that facility.

Cruzio leases dark fiber on the cable built and owned by Sunesys,
which is also used by UCSC. This fiber cable links the Cruzio facility
at 877 Cedar Street in downtown Santa Cruz with the Level 3 Sunnyvale
facility 46 miles away. Connectivity to the Internet is provided by
Level 3 and Cogent.

A high-speed/high-bandwidth wireless link connects the Cruzio 877 Cedar
facility with the Equinix San Jose facility via Mount Umunhum to provide
a wireless failover to the fiber in event of a fiber outage.

Cruzio wholesales AT&T DSL. All DSL traffic is aggregated over AT&T
fiber to the 200 Paul Avenue facility where it is connected to the
Internet through a variety of providers.

While the fiber and new data center are being turned up and tested,
Cruzio hosted servers remain connected over AT&T fiber to the he.net
Fremont 1 facility.
Connectivity to the Internet is through he.net, who are themselves
connected and peered to multiple Tier 1 providers."

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

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On 02/08/2011 02:23 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> Comments inline.
> 
> jack
> 
> 
> On 2/8/2011 2:09 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
>>
>> Some serious enforcement is in order.  Major fines for repeated
>> offense...  $100K or more for 2nd offense...
> Last month we recommended to the FCC OET that they publicize actions against 
> offenders who they locate. This would help get the message out that this is a 
> serious problem and that enforcement is in fact taking place.

Is that covered at http://fcc.gov/eb/Orders/Welcome.html or
http://fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/ ?

>> I'd rather see the TDWR band notched out than any kind of required GPS
>> and database...
> Notching may be the ultimate outcome for all new equipment. The disadvantage 
> is 
> that notching deprives everyone from using the spectrum, even the 90% of 
> operators who are nowhere near a TDWR system.

Very true.

>> What is going on with the 3.65 stuff?  I still think we need some kind
>> of license enforcement there...

Why?

> WISPA recently had it's first 3650 Steering Committee meeting and it was 
> agreed 
> that major work (education, best practices, possible rules changes, etc.) is 
> needed because the interference situation is getting way out of hand.

Hmmm. Interesting. That's news to me. Where does one see info about the
violations? Is it happening on private lists or something? I don't
recall any complaints on the WISPA general list about it.

 There are
> also more and more illegal (unlicensed) "bootleggers" using the band. One 
> solution (among many) is to use a regional email list to coordinate between 
> different operators. This is in use now in Phoenix.

H. Well illegal/unlicensed use is a clear enforcement action and
should be referred to the FCC EB. Coordination among entities... as I
recall that was very vague in the R&O.


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[WISPA] Weird ubnt flash issue

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Ok I got to tftp via the reset switch and flashed open mesh firmware on
one ns2. It's happy.

Attempts to flash it to another 3 ns2 boxes fail. I can tftp the image
up. The LEDs blink. Then it reboots, I get a few

ARP, Request who-has 0.0.0.0 tell 0.0.0.0

then nothing.

Anyone seen this before?


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Re: [WISPA] Redboot help

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Is it just me, or are the reset switches on the ns2 just about worthless?

Anyone here got mesh over wifi working on an ns2? Looks like I'm going
to have to go that route, as opposed to flashing with open mesh.

Or is there a secret to making the reset switch work? Not sure why UBNT
disables network access to redboot on the unit. That makes things really
really difficult to work with.

Then when I try to change it, I get the configs not validating error.

On 02/04/2011 02:51 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> It should not matter. IIRC when the device boots it is pre- here>.
> 
> ryan
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:17 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redboot help
> 
> You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or...
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>> The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while 
>> running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine.
> 
>> I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy.
> 
>> ryan
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
>> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:02 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help
> 
>> Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a
> nanostation2?
>> Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed
> 
>> fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1
> 
>> and now I get
> 
>> Config verification failed
> 
>> anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.
> 
>> Help!
> 
>> I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to 
>> flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to 
>> get a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and 
>> can't get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.
> 
>> And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface 
>> cause it only accepts the .trx files.
> 
>> Can anyone help?
> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] Redboot help

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You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or...



On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while
> running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine.
> 
> I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy.
> 
> ryan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help
> 
> Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a nanostation2?
> Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed
> 
> fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1
> 
> and now I get
> 
> Config verification failed
> 
> anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.
> 
> Help!
> 
> I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to flash
> them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get a mesh
> operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't get it
> working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.
> 
> And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface cause it
> only accepts the .trx files.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

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[WISPA] Redboot help

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Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a
nanostation2? Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed

fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1

and now I get

Config verification failed

anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.

Help!

I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to
flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get
a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't
get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.

And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface
cause it only accepts the .trx files.

Can anyone help?

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] new list

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On 01/24/2011 10:40 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
> We have tried to learn from others mistakes in the past and adjust our
> mailing list rules to our subscriber's requests as necessary. 

Of course. This is the sign of a mature and well run community.


 There is
> unfortunately a segment of our industry that believes WISPA is a vendor and
> we are out to sell memberships (get in their pocketbook). 

That's unfortunate.

 It almost offends
> me in a way as I look at all of the volunteer efforts from across the
> country that has gone into building our trade association.  

Yes. I'm offended by it as well.

The way I look
> at it, WISPA is not selling memberships; it is seeking support for all of
> the hard work and legal expenses that are incurred on behalf of the
> industry.

Absolutely. Also WISPA operates this very list free of charge. It has a
charter to keep things civil and productive. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LARGE
MAILING LIST OUT THERE!! I have no problems with the charter, and would
be concerned if you didn't have one.

 The difference being, that most of the
> accomplishments of WISPA are still accomplished by volunteer efforts with
> the exception of legal and administrative functions such as my position,
> hosting the webpages and accounting functions.  


Exactly. This is the same as any other trade organization/association.

> 
>  
> 

> However, I will continue to work diligently to develop programs, discounts,
> marketing ideas and other things that potential members will see as tangible
> benefits above and beyond the intangible lobbying and educational work that
> we already do.

Well I have to disagree. I think the lobbying/educational work is very
tangible. It's produced amazing end products that everyone in the
industry benefits from. :)

  To all those that support WISPAThank you very much!  Our
> voice is getting louder and more meaningful with every new member that joins
> our efforts.  Join WISPA    As a team, we can
> accomplish much, as individuals, we might as well through the towel in.

I couldn't have said it better.
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Re: [WISPA] new list

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H. The legalities of monetizing that write up are sketchy. :) A good
idea though. I've considered subscribing to a bunch more lists and
having some automated systems pick out anything interesting.

I follow WISPA/NANOG. A few local lists (amazing how diverse socal/los
angeles tech is). I was on c-nsp but that was crazy.

On 01/24/2011 10:32 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
> So I follow like 13 lists/forums now (all the freakin wireless ones + nanog + 
> c-nsp + j-nsp).  I'm going make a helpdesk dude summarize the signal and 
> ditch the noise, and do a one-page weekly writeup.  Then I'm going to 
> monetize the writeup.  
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list
>>
>> LOL, funny how my history teacher was right about his saying, "history
>> repeats itself".
>>
>> I remember being on the isp-wireless list and getting emailed about one
>> sentence responses and emailed everyone I was done. So Mike started up
>> the Part-15 lists.
>>
>> Then it went from there to WISPA.
>>
>> Then splintered to AFMUG and Butch's Mikrotik list.
>>
>> Now we may be back to WISPA and the new wug.cc , although I do believe
>> in neutrality, but no hard core bashing. Be a little mature ( although it's 
>> hard
>> to say what age this begins ) about posts and put some forethought in
>> responses.
>>
>> Oh I almost forgot wisp-equipment, Judd's list.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: support 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:18:52 -0600
>>
>>> I don't see the list as a replacement but 1 more good tool in the tool box
>>> think its more to replace AFMUG we are all getting sick of chuck getting
>>> angry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/24/2011 12:11 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
> 
> Um people bash WISPA on this list occasionally. It's usually not
> warranted. There are a few trolls that like to make trouble. Why do you
> feel that we can't bash WISPA on this list? If there are legitimate
> concerns with the organization, and one feels they are a threat to the
> industry, then voice them.
> 
> Also going on a list and complaining usually doesn't get anything done.
> It just wastes peoples time and bandwidth. If someone has constructive
> criticism, and a well reasoned argument/position, that will get
> something done.
> 
> I've subscribed to the WUG list. Hopefully it will be interesting and
> not a waste of time, however I will probably start various new threads
> on the WISPA list, as it has served my and many others needs quite well.
> I've been on the list since 2008 and been very happy with it. Numerous
> products/services/organizations have been praised when necessary, and
> called out when necessary. So I'm not quite sure the purpose of the WUG
> list.
> 
> We will see what the WUG list does. My initial feelings, is that it will
> be a fringe list that ends up doing a lot of harm to the industry.
> Journalists will see lots of trolling and pick that out as the face of
> the industry, because it makes better material for the sensationalist
> media.
> 
> I realize that as business owners, we have very strong opinions and
> value our independence and rights. However we must also keep in mind
> that we as an industry are under attack on a continuous basis. WISPA has
> provided a focal point for us to coalesce around as an industry. They
> have continuously shown a deep understanding of how to keep the
>>> industry
> growing. They have produced a number of products (3.65 regs,
> whitespaces, dfrs etc.) These end products take substantial amounts of
> time and effort to produce. They have seen how the sausage is made,
>>> and
> not been afraid to get their hands dirty.
> 
> I hope to join WISPA in the near future and contribute my support. I've
> been slowly ramping up my WISP and preparing to roll out a broad beta.
> 
> I should get back to that now, have a demo due by the end of the week
> 
> On 01/24/2011 09:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>> To be entirely neutral.  We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for
>>> example.
>>>>>> We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA.  Probably not the
>>>>>> best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want.
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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

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On 01/19/2011 03:11 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> 
> No one is suggesting that we dont challenge big companies with vested 
> interests. I'm suggesting the opposite.
> I'm suggesting that we challenge big company spectrum hogs to give back 
> spectrum, if they can use innovative techniques to free it.

So this is like ipv4. Ask for huge swaths of space back. That doesn't
scale. It just delays the problem. Asking for spectrum back will help
for a while, but it won't be sufficient. We need to do the innovative
research/development and work with the FCC to get rules changed. People
don't give things back, it's a fact of life.

The innovation that results from scarcity, will ultimately flow back
into the large spectrum holders. Then hopefully they won't need more
spectrum, because they will be able to use what they have at a great
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

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On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's, NSLM5's, 
> NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to fair if/when our 
> upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to hear someone else is already 
> doing it.


Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my network very
soon. Currently only handing out ipv4.

I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It bridges to my
wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's own VLAN of
course.

So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work in bridge
mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an he.net tunnel
with prefix delegation and find out.

Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice
(pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik).

> 
> Our "upstream" apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South America. I'm not 
> sure if their system/our modem is IPv6 capable/ready. That may keep us on 
> IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time.
> 
> Greg
> 


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

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Don't feed the trolls.


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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 sample letter to grandfather earth satellite

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I would like that as well.

I chatted with a 3.65 gear vendor, and they said the telcos don't care.
It's the cable companies that do. Here in the Los Angeles area, I've
found that to be the case. The Sprint/ATT ground stations are up in the
Santa Monica mountains. Rolling out 3.65 service in LA/OC won't bother
them one bit. However the cable companies have lots of unidentified
ground stations, and have had issues with people utilizing 3.65 gear. So
they would only grant me PtP rights and not PtMP.

If anyone wants more details about operating 3.65 in Los Angeles feel
free to contact me off list. I plan to roll it out soon now that UBNT
has released some gear for it. :)



On 01/04/2011 10:45 AM, Ken Nye wrote:
> I was wondering if anybody has a letter they sent to the Grandfathered
> Earth Satellite stations to request a 3.65 waiver? I am in the SF bay
> area and I have a bunch of these stations in the area, and I want a well
> worded letter to send
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Fixed Orbit

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peeringdb.com perhaps.

On 12/30/2010 01:08 PM, Matt wrote:
> Are there any other sites similiar to fixedorbit.com to determine how
> well a host is peered?
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Re: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!

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The pricing better come WAY WAY WAY down if multiple people can access
the same spectrum. The only way the current prices are justified is
because the access is exclusive.




On 12/30/2010 10:43 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> Where do we start?
> 
> - Jerry
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
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> Subject: [WISPA] More Spectrum!!
> 
> Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on
>  
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars
>  There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus on 
> than this.   If we can start to use other "white space" spectrum - or even 
> scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused - we will have all the 
> spectrum we need.
>  Time to roll!
>  Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

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Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much
better outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together
on backhaul etc.

Form a strategic partnership.

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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

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On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
> wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would
> like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue
> with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be
> forcably broken apart for wired isps (IE, if you are a ILEC, you must
> have a separate business entity run the 2+, with set prices for
> everyone who wants to be a layer 2+ entity on that layer 1 network)
> with wireless getting a mix of this (unlicensed is not bound to layer
> 1/2+ split, with some licensed being (like cellular) and some licensed
> not being bound (like 3.65, sub 700) and opening more spectrum (that
> is a mix of bound and non-bound) and see where that takes us. Time to
> wake up and go pickup the kids.


Um.

so you want the big guys to have to play by certain rules (be dumb
pipes) but you wouldn't have to play by those rules as a small player?

Why shouldn't that regulation be applied to wisps as well? Why shouldn't
you have to share spectrum?

Let's realize we are all in this together and come up with workable
solutions. Let's be partners with the ISPs and not make it us vs them.

.

I have been doing a lot of thinking about how to make packet movement
(in particular backhaul) somewhat more fair. I already discussed peering
on the list in recent days.

Have folks been following the NBN rollout in Australlia? It leaves a
certain amount of rough edges on the implementation specifics (see the
AUSNOG mailing list archives for several very detailed discussions).
However it's a national l2 network. Pretty cool stuff.

See I'm a layer3 and above guy, and have targeted very specific areas
for my wireless deployment (currently in 4 locations in the greater
la/oc area). I'm deploying an advertising network and giving internet
access away. I'm going into areas that don't have a lot of existing
wifi, running heavily localized advertising driven hotspots. So I don't
have spectrum issues.

However I face the same problems as many wisps at layer3 and above
(namely getting bandwidth at a good price where I need it).

So what would folks like to see? Would you like to see a layer1/2
"natural monopolie" run as a municipal utility, that would run an open
access/co-op fiber network?

How many here participated in the broadband forum meetings that were
held prior to the Obama election? How many people here reached out to
those folks and requested exactly this? I know I did (I went to the Los
Angeles meeting).

Don't get mad, get even!!!

Hmmm... the above was a bit rambling... looks like rough pieces of a
mind map for a blog post. :)

Things to think about anyway.









> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:30 PM, MDK  wrote:
>> No, we LOST.   You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It
>> is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get "partial exemption".
>>
>> I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this.
>>
>> As far as I’m concerned it's "come and arrest me, coppers" and I will damn
>> well NOT comply.
>>
>> And if we all did that.  They'd just give up.   But we're too chicken to
>> stand up for ourselves, as a country, anymore, apparently.   I don't know
>> when people forgot that according to the Constitution, we tell the
>> government what to do and where to get off, not the other way around.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 12/20/2010 06:52 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 12/20/2010 07:56 PM, Jeromie wrote:
>> While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
>> wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would
>> like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue
>> with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be
>> forcably broken apart for wired isps (IE, if you are a ILEC, you must
>> have a separate business entity run the 2+, with set prices for
>> everyone who wants to be a layer 2+ entity on that layer 1 network)
>> with wireless getting a mix of this (unlicensed is not bound to layer
>> 1/2+ split, with some licensed being (like cellular) and some licensed
>> not being bound (like 3.65, sub 700) and opening more spectrum (that
>> is a mix of bound and non-bound) and see where that takes us. Time to
>> wake up and go pickup the kids.
> 
> That's what I asked for too, separation of the ILEC services into 
> wholesale lower layers and multiple providers of unregulated upper 
> layers. 


You do realize that regulation and government action is required for
that to happen. I thought you didn't want any regulation at all?

Doesn't work.

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Re: [WISPA] Peering, was Re: Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

[Charles N Wyble]

On 12/19/2010 1:48 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> Inline
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Charles N Wyble
>   wrote:
> All peering is good peering (until egos get involved).
> Peering with content providers may save you some money.
> Open peering with anyone sufficiently clued to have a ASN makes the
> internet and your provider community stronger.

Of course. Peering is very good across the board. My point was that more 
significant advantages come from access to content network peering. I 
didn't mean access networks shouldn't peer with each other.

>> The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized
>> config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the
>> fabric.
>>
> Agreed on a textbook template. Disagree that any talent is needed to
> run the fabric.
> Setup some basic port security on a L2 switch (one mac address, etc)
> and get rolling.
> You don't need route reflectors or anything fancy to get started.
> Actually, you don't even need a shared switch if there are only two
> participants.

Fair enough. A bit of skill is required to keep it running, recruit new 
participants, troubleshoot issues etc.  I've never built a peering 
fabric before, but plan to build one this year.

>> Yeah it's a small subset for sure.
> In my experience if someone doesn't have the clue there are other ISP
> peeps in the area with clue and care to help.
> Perhaps our local small IX just has a good community.

Oh of course. I didn't mean to belittle folks. I was just commenting on 
the fact that good network folks are hard to find. :)

> We run ~5 Mbps on average with peaks over 50 Mbps.This is on a IX with
> 15 participants, most of whom you've never heard of.
> We have people working from home with a VPN to work. Online backup
> with servers that consultants host with other local providers (and
> servers with us and clients on other providers), VoIP systems, video
> conferences with teaches from schools.
> All of these applications benefit from local peering.

Absolutely.  Peer early and often. :)


> Please, everyone, consider the locations you have in common with other
> providers.
> If you are in a datecenter or larger facility check out 
> http://www.peeringdb.com
> Peering will help more than it can hurt.

+1




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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 12/16/2010 01:01 PM, jp wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:56:11AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote:
>> Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer?
>> With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the
>> other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage
>> our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying
>> "big boys won't let us in the sandbox" doesn't work for me as an
>> operator. I like specifics.
> 
> I've peered in the past with an ISP because we both were part of a 
> statewide frame relay network and it was just the cost of a PVC to do 
> it. 

It's not about access networks peering. That's usually not worth the
effort for the reasons you outlined below. It's about peering with the
content provider networks.


> 
> The current impediments to small ISPs peering are:
> 1. BGP skills and hardware. It used to be the only reliable thing for 
> BGP was a big cisco decked out with overpriced ram. Now anyone can do 
> BGP private peering with a PC running MT/vyatta/linux or an 
> MT routerboard, or their cisco or their juniper. Still, few have BGP 
> experience to do this comfortably. 

The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized
config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the
fabric.

> 
> You can get the talent in socal, but it's not nationwide. People could 
> hire Butch or someone on guru.com to setup bgp, but they like to have 
> the self sufficiency to DIY in many cases. I've probably met face to 
> face all the people in my state who are proven BGP skillful and it's not 
> a lot.

Yeah it's a small subset for sure.

> 
> 3. decreasing uplink costs. Used to be you'd do anything to save a 
> precious megabit and peering was one such thing. I had a satellite 
> receiver system for receive usenet to offload the bandwidth back in 
> 97ish. Now it's just outsourced. We used to cache a lot more web traffic 
> too. Now it's helpful but not so important. If there were an occasional 
> megabit of traffic going to another local ISP, I wouldn't really 
> consider it worth the effort of peering. I would suspect most of the 
> traffic between WISPs is email and a little random p2p, and perhaps some 
> vpn activity between employees and businesses that use different service 
> providers. The peers despite the extreme minimalist financial investment 
> should be more reliable than the uplink to make good sense as well.

Again it's not about access networks. It's about content networks and
access networks.

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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 12/16/2010 09:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> You wouldn't connect to NetFlix, but to LimeLight, Akamai, or Level3.

Sure. You are absolutely correct. Ideally you would connect to an open
peering fabric that has all these players on it. That way you don't need
to meet Akamai traffic commits, as they are already in a vast majority
of the exchanges.


> 
> This is where multiple WISPs buying bandwidth in aggregate helps out.  

Absoultetly. This is one of the core tenants of socalwifi.net model.
Aggregation/collective bargaining power.


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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

[Charles N Wyble]

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On 12/16/2010 02:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> AT&T/Verizion/WISPS
>> should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better
>> rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere.
>>
>> This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you.
>>
> 
> Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option?
> 
> L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont 
> let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings.
> So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to 
> interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or 
> would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and 
> meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small 
> local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into 
> paying the cost to interconnect.  Why shouldn't WISPs have peering 
> relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for 
> having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of 
> compinsation in peering?

Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer?
With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the
other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage
our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying
"big boys won't let us in the sandbox" doesn't work for me as an
operator. I like specifics.

That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a
WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with
all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like
that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the
southland to build out the infrastructure.

In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is
full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me
rooms. Other areas of the country not so much.



> 
> Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for 
> sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk 
> about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will 
> occur?

Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not
the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric).
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

[Charles N Wyble]

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I use Proxmox and love it.

OpenVZ is the way to go. It's an amazing piece of software. Combine it
with Proxmox and you get everything VmWare offers for free.

On 12/15/2010 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Historically, RHEL\CentOS have used Xen.  I'm not sure if any other 
> methods are working their way into current releases.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions

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On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that 
> people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with "freedom".
> 
> Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce 
> freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to 
> positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and 
> destroy small competitive providers. 
> 
> Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to 
> build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens.
> Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached.

Um no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I
can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries
to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide
best effort 911 service?

I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's
a two edged sword.


> 
> Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet 
> one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to 
> stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority 
> market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more 
> eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. 
> 
> What would happen if we made a "Save the Small Provider, the real Open 
> Internet" or "Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet" 
> would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the "Save the 
> INternet" Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? 
> 
> Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content 
> providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of 
> view.
> On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what 
> consumers can find and have access to.  What preventing Google from doing 
> that right now, and compromising our Free country?   

Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done
extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that
censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come
from the amount of information that is collected and collated on
individuals and used to target advertising.

Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution
channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a
regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv).

They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer
with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies.

How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I
know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that
exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other
large brands.

There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when
you move from the access to distribution layer. Most people that speak
publicly in the operations community are at the access layer (running
eyeball networks). Very few people from the content
provider/distribution space speak publicly. I am limited in what I can
say, as I'm bound by various NDA. However I can say that the content
providers and eye ball networks are interested in working out a good
deal for everyone because of all the interdependencies in the digital
asset supply chain. (Comcast being the obvious exception).


Now I am of the impression that we need to have some regulation. It
needs to let us run our networks in the best way possible. That means
everything from traffic shaping on our customer facing links, to
whatever traffic engineering policies we deem necessary to improve the
bottom line.

Also WISPS do need to be recognized (at a national level) as wireline
replacement. We should not be lumped in with the JOKE that is "mobile
broadband ^H^H^H toy broadband".

> 
> What makes content providers a better steward of Freedom than Access 
> providers?

Take a look at the supply chain sometime. The market will dictate self
regulation. It's only when people like Comcast get greedy and have a
monopoly, that things get nasty. At that point it is my opinion that the
market rapidly steps in and shuts out that player. AT&T/Verizion/WISPS
should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better
rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere.

This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you.

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Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

[Charles N Wyble]

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I'm deploying it into an OpenVZ container today. I saw folks online get
it to work (once they adjusted several quotas).

I will see if it works. :)

On 12/13/2010 06:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Doesn't work worth a darn in OpenVZ or KVM virtual environments.  Still 
> working on migrating containers around to free up a physical server to 
> try VMWare.  Should work on that as VMWare owns Zimbra.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Charles N Wyble]

I presume the wireless interface is fully operational on the customer 
system? It's not disabled, and can see other networks in the area?



On 11/22/2010 12:26 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Help.
> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a
> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list of
> available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine,
> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop in
> and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them DOA
> seems unlikely, but ...
> I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved it
> to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same thing.
> Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
> Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
> I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
> Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
> What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3
> routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless
> networks?
>


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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Charles N Wyble]

On 11/02/2010 05:37 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
>
> I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
> I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
> with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
> to see performance on, let me know.

Yes. pfSense. I'm running that here for dhcp/dns/vpn and terminating 
VLANs. I would like to know it's performance for full BGP feeds.

> And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
> helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is "I have no idea
> what I'm going to do."  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
> Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.




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Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)

[Charles N Wyble]

Or its a smear campaign that doesn't hold water.

I've seen that a lot on this list. Usually I stay out of it, but this time I 
had to speak up to defend a friend and locally (to me anyway) run company. 

As evidenced by the reply no real effort was made by the op to resolve the 
issue. Its easier to just write a nasty email to a professional association 
list. 

"Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

>It's posts like these that keep a company honest.  I wouldn't think
>that he
>damaged their credibility maliciously if what he has stated is
>accurate.
>You shouldn't have to dig around to find information or contact info on
>a
>company like that.
>
>Regards,
>Chuck
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Charles N Wyble
>wrote:
>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is
>easily
>> findable in the white pages as well.
>>
>> I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his
>business
>> too much with your post here.
>>
>> "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:
>>
>> >I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run
>> >things
>> >completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about
>> >customer
>> >service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just
>leave a
>> >message and hope they call you back if they feel like it.
>> >
>> >Kurt Fankhauser
>> >WAVELINC
>> >P.O. Box 126
>> >Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> >419-562-6405
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> >Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>> >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM
>> >To: 'WISPA General List'
>> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
>> >
>> >Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and
>I
>> >have
>> >never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> >Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM
>> >To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
>> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
>> >
>> >I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com.
>> >
>> >I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I
>> >placed an
>> >order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like
>> >$350 or
>> >so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the
>> >RB600
>> >and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried
>> >sending
>> >an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site,
>was
>> >just
>> >an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I
>tried
>> >calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple
>> >messages and never got a return call.
>> >
>> >If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a
>merchant
>> >charge
>> >back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've
>never
>> >placed
>> >an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago.
>> >
>> >Kurt Fankhauser
>> >WAVELINC
>> >P.O. Box 126
>> >Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> >419-562-6405
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>On
>> >Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM
>> >To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports
>> >
>> >Suggested alternates :-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-
>> >CAT5.html
>> >
>> >
>> >http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx
>> >http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f
>> >
>> >http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >Faisal Imtiaz
>> >Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >
>> >
>> >On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Every email and website to be stored

[Charles N Wyble]

Yeah. I got to it via /. 

"Josh Luthman"  wrote:

>Worked on my phone.
>On Oct 21, 2010 9:30 AM, "Al Stewart"  wrote:
>> URL worked here.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> -- At 11:44 PM 10/20/2010 -0700, Charles N Wyble wrote: ---
>>
>>
>>>URL is broken the irony is thick. Lol.
>>>
>>>"Jack Unger"  wrote:
>>>
>>> >Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and
>stored
>>> >after
>>>
>>> ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8075563/Every-email-and
>>> -website-to-be-stored.html>
>>> >
>> -- END QUOTE -
>
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Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)

[Charles N Wyble]

Kurt,

The guy that runs it is easily findable on twitter. I bet he is easily findable 
in the white pages as well.

I will contact him re your issue. I hope you haven't damaged his business too 
much with your post here. 

"Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

>I wish I could say the same thing. It appeared to me that they run
>things
>completely online and automated. If you have a problem forget about
>customer
>service, probably don't even have anyone answering phones, just leave a
>message and hope they call you back if they feel like it.
>
>Kurt Fankhauser
>WAVELINC
>P.O. Box 126
>Bucyrus, OH 44820
>419-562-6405
> 
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Jason Hensley
>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:53 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
>
>Wow, I've ordered several things from there in the past 6 months and I
>have
>never experienced anything even remotely close to this issue.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:43 AM
>To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] wlanparts.com (WAS: POE Injectors)
>
>I would NOT recommend anyone ever buy from WLANparts.com. 
>
>I used to purchase things there every six months. My last order I
>placed an
>order for a RB600 and an HPOL 5.8ghz omni. Total order was for like
>$350 or
>so. Got an email from them saying the omni was on backorder. Got the
>RB600
>and waited for a month, didn't hear anything on the omni so I tried
>sending
>an email. They don't have any email address listed on their site, was
>just
>an online form. Tried that twice and never got a response, so I tried
>calling the phone number, never got through to anyone, left a couple
>messages and never got a return call. 
>
>If I placed the order with a credit card I would have done a merchant
>charge
>back but my order was on my bank debit card so I couldn't. I've never
>placed
>an order with them again... that was over 6 months ago.
>
>Kurt Fankhauser
>WAVELINC
>P.O. Box 126
>Bucyrus, OH 44820
>419-562-6405
> 
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:50 PM
>To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports
>
>Suggested alternates :-
>
> 
>http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-
>CAT5.html
>
>
>http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx
>http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f
>
>http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449
>
>Regards
>
>
>Faisal Imtiaz
>Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
>On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> POE Injectors
>>
>> I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light
>> would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a
>bonus
>>
>> I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the
>> shields) to each other or to power ground as well.
>>
>> I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green
>lights
>> but everybody shows them out of stock.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They
>are
>> going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Every email and website to be stored

[Charles N Wyble]

URL is broken the irony is thick. Lol.

"Jack Unger"  wrote:

>Every email, phone call and website visit is to be recorded and stored
>after 
>the Coalition Government revived controversial Big Brother snooping
>plans. It 
>will allow security services and the police to spy on the activities of
>every 
>Briton who uses a phone or the internet. Moves to make every
>communications 
>provider store details for at least a year will be unveiled later this
>year 
>sparking fresh fears over a return of the surveillance state,,,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"
>Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities
>since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Charles N Wyble]

 Brian,

I think this is a wonderful idea. :)


On 10/11/2010 07:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:


I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP 
National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the 
coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who 
participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative 
request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent 
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

[Charles n wyble]

I agree. Lots of options. I suggest getting a list of who is in the meet me 
room at your closest carrier hotel. That's how I found a couple of fiber 
providers I didnt know about (socal Edison and Burbank dwp ). Some hotels have 
wireless meet me rooms for backhaul. 

Any way to backhaul from a carrier neutral pop over a wifi link or 3? I'm 
thinking a one time capex investment of say 1k (ubnt gear, solar backup, 
installation grounding, shieled cable) you could save a lot of opex every 
month. You would have a rental and cross connect fee per month of course. 

Actually it doesn't even have to be carrier neutral. Ive been surprised how 
many places offer colocation on towers. Att and tmobile have comprehensive info 
online. Lots of other fiber providers have facilities you can rent some tower 
space at. 

Wireless local loop seems to be the way to go. Carriers seem to be embracing it 
as a revenue stream. Might as well get something instead of nothing.

"Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

>Legacy loops (DS3/OC3) are some of the most expensive local loop 
>transport circuits.
>There is no single way to find an alternate / less expensive local loop 
>transport.
>
>The amount of options greatly varies on exactly where you are. It could 
>be an alternate CLEC, Local Cable Company, Fiber Division of local Power 
>Company, etc.
>
>
>If you send me (off list) the address of where you are, I may be able to 
>suggest some alternate's.
>
>Regards.
>
>Faisal Imtiaz
>Snappy Internet & Telecom
>7266 SW 48 Street
>Miami, Fl 33155
>Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>On 10/4/2010 11:56 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
>> Thanks for your replies everyone, there's good feedback in this thread.
>>
>> Regarding Faisal's comment:
>>
>> "Additionally, if you are paying in the range of $1500 to $3000, then
>> it would also be worth-while to consider purchasing a 'Gig E'
>> transport to a Carrier Neutral Faclility ( eg. 56 Marrietta in ATL, or
>> Dallas, or VA etc), and then picking up Bandwidth of your choice
>> either directly or in-directly)"
>>
>> I am paying above that range, but most of it is for the local loop of
>> our 20 meg fractional DS-3. Who would I go to to get a circuit as you
>> describe, surely it would have to be my local phone company who is
>> already charging me a lot more money for a lot less circuit? How can I
>> get around this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Shopping for bandwidth

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 10/04/2010 12:31 PM, Roger Howard wrote:
> What do you do when you ask for a quote for bandwidth, and the person
> asks what you are paying right now.

Hmmm. I've never been asked that. Usually they give me a rough quote 
right on the phone for 1/2/5/7 year contract length. Usually I'll say 
something like "oh that's in the ballpark of what other vendors are 
giving me".

>   Do you tell them, and if you do,
> won't they just undercut it by a  little just to get your business?

I wouldn't tell them. I would say it's none of their business.

> Seems like a strange way of doing business to ask what you're paying
> for something before giving you a quote.

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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles N Wyble]

  Awesome.

It will definitely be prominently featured in the FAQ. :)

On 09/27/2010 12:11 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> I am working on a new Google Earth file with the TV contours that will be
> available. Have all the channels mapped, just looking to see if I can easily
> add other items like the border buffer areas and anything else that needs
> protecting.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>
> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host
> one.
>
> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over
> and over. :)
>
> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 11:58 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> This is for a public WiFi network that includes SSIDs for various agencies. 
> Each agency's traffic is on it's own VLAN and terminates in different 
> locations:
> - Public WiFi
> - City Offices
> - PD
> - Sherriff
> - County Fire
> - County Offices
> - Management Network

Yeah I'm building something similiar to that:

corporate prod network
corporate guest network
customer network
honeynets




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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 10:11 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> Yes. It supports it, you just need to use the command line to set it up.
> wlanconfig ath1 wlanddev wifi0 create wlanmode ap
> ifconfig ath1 up
> iwconfig ath1 essid your.ssid
>
> add encryption and ect with iwconifg
>

Here is a howto:

https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=12552





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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 11:20 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> I will need to check into VLAN support.

ifconfig eth0.x might do the trick.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/oldwiki/openwrtdocs/networkinterfaces

has some info.





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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> So much easier on Mikrotik.  I hope Ubiquiti and Mikrotik combine
> forces for a product that can defy the laws of physics and reality.

LOL.

Check out http://netshe.stasoft.net/node/28#main_features (I can't seem 
to find the other ubnt contest winner at the moment).






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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity with OpenWRT and multi VLAN/SSID

[Charles N Wyble]

 On 09/25/2010 11:18 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote:


Anyone have this working? If so, is it stable or glitchy?



I'll be rolling this out very soon. I have a Ubiquity ns2, a linksys 
wrt54gl and two custom access points (based on nanostation). I plan to 
mesh them all and host a few different ssid/vlan. I'll post back with 
how it goes.






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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - Whats the next step

[Charles N Wyble]

  On 09/27/2010 08:40 AM, John Scrivner wrote:
> There is no "staking your claim". I pushed for that as part of a
> spectrum homesteading initiative which WISPA will not support...sadly.

Well isn't this what whitespaces is supposed to prevent? Large amounts 
of exclusive spectrum already exists and is owned by monopolies. Now I 
think that licensed lite would be good. The FCC licensing system can 
facilitate coordination among providers. Maybe we can get that in 
whitespace r&o 3.0? :)

> We probably had a good shot at it through all the lobbying efforts we
> did but the FCC Committee had people against the idea that building
> broadband service should entitle you to an exclusive license for your
> channel space in your coverage area.

Hmmm. So if the big money comes in and just buys up a bunch of licenses 
then what? You have to remember that the rules are a double edged sword. 
Anything that might help us protect against competition, can also be 
used by others to lock us out. Not a level playing field.

> Opportunity lost...
> Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles n wyble]

You make an excellent point. I will join wispa in the next few weeks and 
contribute to the private wiki.

Its certainly a well spent investment.  Now that I'm in the process of Fielding 
the initial access points for my wisp its time for me to join up. :)

"Rick Harnish"  wrote:

>Charles,
>
>WISPA has a wiki open to members only.  We felt we needed a secure place for
>secure content which is privy to members only. It would seem to me that
>having a TV Whitespaces FAQ open to the public would make it easy for new
>competition to enter the marketplace.  Are you sure you want to make it
>public?  Our members dues have paid for the lobbying costs involved in
>making an impact on the TV Whitespaces decision.  I doubt if the members who
>invest $250 annually for dues would appreciate "giving away" the knowledge
>base involved in TV Whitespaces to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides
>they can start a WISP on TV Whitespaces because they have read a FAQ.
>
>I may be wrong in my assumptions here, but I do hope you consider the
>possible ramifications to your business and other WISPs who have invested
>much of their own money and hard work to build their businesses to where
>they are today.  
>
>The idea is grand, but to me, it makes more sense for all WISPs to join
>WISPA and keep some of this information out of the public eye.  It seems
>like a very small investment to make for the "insurance" of knowing that our
>hard work isn't subsidizing competition.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Rick Harnish
>Executive Director
>WISPA
>260-307-4000 cell
>866-317-2851 WISPA Office
>Skype: rick.harnish.
>rharn...@wispa.org
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Charles n wyble
>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Whitespaces faq
>> 
>> Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to
>> host one.
>> 
>> I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads
>> over and over. :)
>> 
>> Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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[WISPA] Whitespaces faq

[Charles n wyble]

Does wispa have a wiki open to the public? If not I would be happy to host one.

I want to write a whitespaces faq and then we can avoid these threads over and 
over. :)

Who wants to work on a faq with me?
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Re: [WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

[Charles N Wyble]

  You have to hit show incumbents. If you just hit enter after putting 
in an address it doesn't show anything. The submit action appears to be 
the find address button which just finds you on the map.



On 9/25/2010 1:52 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I go to it and it seems there are no available channels anywhere I
> search.  Maybe they're working on it?  Maybe I'm doing something
> wrong?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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[WISPA] TV whitespaces - M$ contributes

[Charles N Wyble]

  http://whitespaces.msresearch.us/

Kind of cool I think...



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Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

[Charles n wyble]

Make sure to comment to the fcc about this. Get involved and ensure your voice 
is heard. 



"Fred Goldstein"  wrote:

>At 9/23/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
>
>>If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high 
>>locations around you your HAAT number could still be low. If however 
>>you are on a high mountain and the rest of the area all the way 
>>around your site is much lower, your HAAT figure will go up. Sites 
>>built on side hill locations with the hill rising above in part of 
>>the radius will greatly reduce the HAAT number.
>>
>>http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/haat_calculator.html
>
>A subscriber's house is wherever it is, and under the new rule, they 
>are just not allowed to subscribe if it is more than 76 meters 
>AAT.  This doesn't have to be on top of the high mountain.  If you 
>have RadioMobile, you can click around some potential sites and use 
>its US-mode HAAT function.  I found a lot of places that would be 
>shut out.  Try the "hill towns" in Berkshire County, MA, or just to 
>its east, so see what I mean.  Heck, these are so hilly and woody 
>that the VHF channels look most attractive.  (Not that they're 
>available; only one upper-VHF is actually vacant there.)  Only a 
>handful of channels meet the white space criteria there to begin 
>with.  I have the FCC's contours showing in MapInfo so I can click 
>anywhere on its map and see which contours I'm within.  And of course 
>for co-channel, I have to look for contours about 10 miles beyond.
>
>If a significant number of subscribers are shut out, not to mention 
>the necessary access points to reach them, then we're stuck again on 
>900 MHz, which is pretty busy.  So even with a white space access 
>point to reach the low houses, we'd need the 900 too to reach the 
>high houses.  How silly.
>
>>
>>"How is the HAAT determined?   A HAAT value is determined by taking 50
>>evenly spaced elevation points (above mean sea level [AMSL]) along at least
>>8 evenly spaced radials from the transmitter site (starting at 0 
>>degrees [True North]). The 50 evenly spaced points are sampled in 
>>the segment between 3 to 16 km (formerly 2 to 10 miles) along each 
>>radial. The elevation points along each radial are averaged, then 
>>the radial averages are averaged to provide the final HAAT value. 
>>Terrain variations within 3 km (2 miles) of the transmitter site 
>>usually do not have a great impact on station coverage."
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:36 PM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height
>>
>>This item alone may be the show-stopper, the poison pill that makes 
>>it useless to WISPs in much of the country.
>>
>>In places where the routine variation in elevation is more than 75 
>>meters, there will be houses (subscribers) that are more than 76 
>>meters AAT.  I notice this in the areas I'm studying, both in the 
>>east and in the upper midwest.
>>
>>In a place like Kansas, nobody is >75m AAT.  But in the woody 
>>Berkshires of Western Massachusetts, the UHF space is needed to get 
>>through the trees, and a significant share of houses are >75m 
>>AAT.  Also, if you want to cover a decent radius, the access point 
>>needs to be up the hill too.  75 meters isn't a mountaintop; it's 
>>just a little rise.
>>
>>It makes no sense to absolutely ban fixed use at a site that is 100m 
>>AAT if the nearest protected-service contour is, say, 50 miles 
>>away.  A more sensible rule would be to follow broadcast practice, 
>>and lower the ERP based on height, so that the distance to a given 
>>signal strength contour is held constant as the height rises.  Hence 
>>a Class A FM station is allowed up to 15 miles, and if it is more 
>>than 300 feet AAT, then it is allowed less than the 3000 watts ERP 
>>that apply at lower heights.
>>
>>Maybe the lawyers want to have more petitions to argue over.
>>
>>At 9/23/2010 04:07 PM, Rich Harnish wrote:
>>
>>
>>65. Decision. We decline to increase the maximum permitted transmit 
>>antenna height above ground for fixed TV bands devices. As the 
>>Commission stated in the Second Report and Order, the 30 meters 
>>above ground limit was established as a balance between the benefits 
>>of increasing TV bands device transmission range and the need to 
>>minimize the impact on licensed services.129 Consistent with the 
>>Commission's stated approach in the Second Report and Order of 
>>taking a conservative approach in protecting authorized services, we 
>>find the prudent course of action is to maintain the previously 
>>adopted height limit. If, in the future, experience with TV bands 
>>devices indicates that these devices could operate at higher 
>>transmit heights without causing interference, the Commission could 
>>revisit the height limit.
>>
>>66. While we exp

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

[Charles N Wyble]

 Hmm... looks like we need to keep up the good fight:

Finally, it is important that we address additional proposals to set aside TV 
channels in rural areas
for fixed licensed backhaul in the very near future.  The ability of both new 
and incumbent wireless
providers to provide 4G wireless services ubiquitously is dependent upon a 
robust wireless infrastructure
that is too often lacking in rural areas.







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Re: [WISPA] TVWS

[Charles N Wyble]

 So is there going to be a new report and order published?

If so any idea on when it will be released?

On 09/23/2010 08:54 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:


I'm sure we will have much more detail in the coming 24 hours.

Notes I took:

No Spectrum Sensing mandated, but further development is encouraged

Geo-location Database to be developed in the next few months

Two channels reserved for microphone use

Large "users" of microphones can apply for "temporary" license and 
inclusion in the Geo-location database


Backhaul use will be further analyzed in the coming months.

No mention of antenna heights in this oral proceeding

Commissioners recognize the value proposition that unlicensed spectrum 
presents to economic development for US Manufacturers, integrators and 
end users.  I believe I heard mention of an estimated 9 billion dollar 
industry being borne from this decision.


Overall, the WISPA position is in line with most of the results.  Only 
time will tell on the minute details of the final order as it is 
released to the public.


Respectfully,

*Rick Harnish*

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

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*From:* motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Dylan Bouterse

*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM
*To:* motor...@afmug.com
*Subject:* RE: [Motorola II] TVWS

I'm confused too. Sounded like a few people going through an intro and 
then they all voted for "it". Maybe somebody who knows what actually 
happened in that short 30 minutes could explain? J


Dylan

*From:* motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:13 AM
*To:* motor...@afmug.com
*Subject:* [Motorola II] TVWS

SO what we did get? Only the removal of spectrum sensing?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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[WISPA] Whitespaces

[Charles n wyble]

Meeting is very soon. I'm jazzed. You all watching it live? I have a client 
today so won't be able to give it my full attention. Looking forward to a 
positive ruling!!!

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

[Charles N Wyble]

  SIP app on Android or iPhone?

On 09/22/2010 10:09 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my installers could have to use 
> out at customers.  What would be a clincher is if it had the ability to also 
> do 10Mhz Channels so when at a tower they could use it.  Some of our towers 
> are very rural and their cell phones don't work well.  Any recommendations.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

[Charles N Wyble]

  Windows boxes?

Look at WMI.

You would need an administrator account on the domain to scan all the 
systems.



On 09/22/2010 10:00 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have a company who wants me to come in an attach to their network and do a 
> IP/system name/user inventory.  But they don't want me to have access to 
> their servers or passwords.  Is there an app out there that might do this.  I 
> know I can do an angry IPscan and get IP and machine name.  I was just 
> looking for something that I would not have to install on each computer to 
> find user and other info.  Best of all it would be great if it were free.
>
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Charles n wyble]

I use pfsense as my edge and core router and am happy with it.

Hoping to turn up the initial socalwifi nodes this weekend. These will back 
haul through pfsense. So I will get a better sense of how it scales. 

"Glenn Kelley"  wrote:

>Tom - 
>
>I think no matter what the solution is - it really comes down to the following:
>
>a.   What you know and can do yourself. 
>b.   What you can obtain support for for free 
>c.   What you can obtain support for paid 
>d.   Overall ROI (free does not mean free ! ) 
>
>
>
>I can see your point - we use pfsense in those cases where microtik would make 
>sense - 
>
>Why - because it is very easy - runs on basically anything that microtik would 
>- and the gui is much more user friendly.
>PLUS - the cli makes complete sense - supports full BGP as well as many other 
>routing protocols. 
>
>We moved from using the more expensive options - like Cisco - and chose vyatta 
>simply because their support is next to none. 
>We had an issue @ 2AM - and had a call back by 2:15AM by 2:30 we were back up 
>and running. 
>
>Experience like that with Cisco - or Microtik - well we just have never found. 
>
>Have you played with pfsense?
>have you played with vyatta?
>
>having used all 3 I can tell you microtik is for me the last choice.
>
>
>
>On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>> I have to disagree.  Except I'm arguing the opposite on Mikrotik's side.
>>  
>> There is nothing free about Vyatta for a commerical WISP. Mikrotik is much 
>> much less expensive. Low Price is a major reason to use Mikrotik over Vyatta.
>> I do not mean this as a negative comment about Vyatta, as Vyatta makes a 
>> good product and has a strong support team. Its understandable that good 
>> people tend to charge for quality support.
>>  
>> My point here is that a Commerical ISP would be a fool to use Vyatta Free 
>> addition for any serious commercial application. There are many reasons for 
>> that. For example, having to wait 6 months for a bug fix is way to long, 
>> expecially if its a new BGP vulnerabilty that will crash your BGP within 
>> minutes.  Or maybe its when you need to upgrade to the next version, and you 
>> learn that its not possible to upgrade the FREE version, unless you reload 
>> from scratch and reconfigure from scratch, which means lots and lots of long 
>> down time for core routers.  I'd highly recommend that Providers use the 
>> PAID version of Vyatta, if VYatta being used for anything serious.
>> Vyatta license is like $600-$900 per year, NOT $45 for life of next couple 
>> versions like MIkrotik offers.
>>  
>> I'm just saying, lets keep it real Its not fair to compare a 
>> non-supported open source old version product (Vyatta) with a commercially 
>> supported product (Mikrotik).
>> Vyatta is a premium product (based on support) and they charge accordingly.  
>> Mikrotik on the other hand is a value product. I'm not aware of any otehr 
>> product on the market that offers a more complete advanced router product 
>> for such a low price.  Its insane how inexpensive Mikrotik is for what it 
>> delivers, in the "router" market. 
>>  
>> Many argue Vyatta Free edition is fine for a single client appliance. Maybe 
>> so.  Although, a fast processor Routerboard costs under $100, and w/ Vyatta 
>> it will need more expensive PC like hardware which will far exceed teh 
>> Mikrotik License costs.  So anyway you slice it Vyatta is more expensive.  
>> Where Vyatta can compete is on High capacity multi-Gig routers, but at a 
>> yearly reoccuring price.   
>>  
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Dennis Burgess
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
>> 
>> If you look at the two just from a cost perspective, the x86 for Vyatta is 
>> Free, RouterOS would be just $45 bucks for their license.  FREE vs $45 
>> bucks.  Just saying that MT is SO cheap, I would not let that little cost to 
>> make a difference in the comparison. 
>>  
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>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>  
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
>>  
>> We use vyatta a great bit - 
>> if you want any advice for it - hit me up offlist.
>>  
>> Microtik is $$$ vyatta can be - but their opensource is FREE 
>> really nice application. 
>>  
>>  
>> On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Vyatta has a cool product line.  Their open source version is free.  They
>> have a paid product

Re: [WISPA] Off Topic Challenge (Regular Expression)

[Charles N Wyble]

 On 9/14/2010 8:57 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
I receive the following back from a web request a custom application 
makes.  I need some regular expressions that tear it apart into its 
individual data fields.  Everything between the equal lines is an 
actual response sample.  I need the name, number, address, city, state 
and zip pulled from the entire text output - each with one regular 
expression.  I'm sure there is some talented people out there that can 
do this in a few minutes.  I figured I'd be lazy and ask before I 
spent hours trial and erroring.


 Thanks for your assistance and time


Vitelity Communications API. Unauthorized access prohibited. All 
commands are logged along with IP and username.


x[[name=BREVARD WIRELESS
number=3212051100
address=123 WIRELESS DR
city=ROCKLEDGE
state=FL
zip=32955[[x
If it's on Linux just shell out to awk via a system call and assign each 
response to a variable (probably inside an array):


char...@john:~$ cat testin2
[name=blah
number=11
address=1 a b c

char...@john:~$ cat testin2 | awk -F "=" '{print $2}'
blah
11
1 a b c


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

[Charles N Wyble]

Check out https://primeaccess.att.com/

Of particular interest is 
http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html


On 09/02/2010 09:04 AM, Matt wrote:

I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
do any BGP peering?
 
   





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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

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Sorry. That was supposed to be off list. :(



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Re: [WISPA] State Resources Page

[Charles N Wyble]

I'll be happy to take Southern California.

Not currently a WISPA member, but hope to become one very soon. I've 
been able to have a fairly healthy discussion with small groups of 
people from the public list. Jack Unger lives not too far from me.

Please let me know how I can assist.

Rick Harnish wrote:
>
> Here is the new webpage resource I am currently working on in my spare 
> time.  http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2867.  I am still looking for 
> additional volunteers to be a WISPA State Coordinator for the states 
> that are blank.
>
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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

[Charles N Wyble]

On 04/01/2010 11:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> No experience just thoughts.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard
>

This is a good overview. Also the spec is freely available in PDF form 
from the PCI website.
> Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the
> first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should
> do.

The PCI standard is pretty prescriptive and covers good baseline 
security stuff.

>   I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information.
> Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not?
>

The standard applies to data being stored and processed. You need to 
encrypt the link
between you and the processor for example.

I can go into more detail off list if required.



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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

[Charles N Wyble]

Rick (and others wanting to be PCI compliant)

Ping me off list about this. It's a somewhat complex subject and varies 
quite a bit. I've done a fair amount of PCI related work and would be 
happy to provide some guidance. While you all know I'm generally very 
keen to post to the list and help out, when it comes to security/PCI I'm 
extremely touchy, serious and specific.

What I can say on list (in a generic sense that applies to all) is that

1) PCI is very prescriptive. That is it's greatest strength. It's also a 
pain when the auditor doesn't understand that you can use 128 or greater 
encryption, so using 256 bit is considered uncompliant (is that a word?)

2) Everything in it is good base line security. Most folks that post to 
the list seem to have a good handle on mature operational procedures. If 
you have Linux or Windows savyness and have followed the vendor security 
guidelines (IDS/IPS/AV/change default passwords/patch on a regular 
basis) you are a long way towards being PCI compliant.



On 04/01/2010 11:21 PM, RickG wrote:
> Email from my brother:
>
> Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become
> pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have
> a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for
> our routers. 
> http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347installation.html
>
> He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Friendly reminder

[Charles N Wyble]

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Licensed is good.  Someone you know with experience and knowledge is
> better.
Very very true.

>   Especially when you ask them to do a solid job.
>   
Yep.

> Did something happen recently?
>   

Nope. Just the recent thread on the list about switching stuff around.
It seemed wrong
to me, and looks like it is according to follow up posts.  :)






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[WISPA] Friendly reminder

[Charles N Wyble]

Folks,

Please consult a licensed electrician before making any sort of
electrical modifications to your gear.

WISPA is a great resource, but there are times when you need to consult
a professional. Electricity is definitely one of those things.  Failure
to do so, could be the last thing you fail to do. Just saying.

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Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

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Chuck Bartosch wrote:
> In my experience,
>
> (1) the problem for rolling out to a new area IS NOT cost of backhaul, it's 
> the cost of the equipment. Sure we all like cheaper backhaul, but it doesn't 
> prevent a roll out to an unserved area. I'm sure there are exceptions to 
> that-but they are going to be very very rare.
>   

Yeah good gear is a tad on the expensive side. Especially with people
wanting free installs. What break down do you see of free gear with
minimum contact, or buy gear up front and get refund do you see with the
WISPs you work with. Or are other business models in play? If so what
are they? I know there have been many threads on the list about
leasing/financing. So getting good gear with excellent terms seems to
come down to personal choice, more then cost.


> (2) the prices I'm seeing for the new backhauls from buildouts funded by NTIA 
> are not cheaper than what already exists in an area. Again, I'm sure there 
> are exceptions, but I'm willing to bet they are also rare.
>   
Well that's no surprise.  :)

Perhaps some of the money could have been spent on funding lobbying for
changes to access rules? If there is readily accessible fiber
everywhere, (key words being readily accessible) then why does it seem
to be such a problem for folks to access?

> As I'm sure you can figure out, I'm not free to disclose which applications 
> I'm familiar with.
>   
Ah... so if we had access to all the information/facts you did we would
see things the same way. Hmmm sorry not buying it. There have been a
substantial amount of threads on this list about middle mile issues
being a huge problem. Cost/access/tower colo etc.



> Chuck
>
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Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

[Charles N Wyble]

Bret Clark wrote:
> Bingo...we have a winner! Middle mile means sqaut when there is a single 
> provider who know they've got you by the you-know-what in terms of 
> pricing.
Thank you Bret and Mike for making my point. :)

Yes there is fiber just about everywhere, but it comes down to
accessibility.



>  Then there is the finger pointing you have to deal with when 
> there is a problem...funny...for some reason's it's never their problem 
> initially until you prove within a shadow of a doubt it is! 
>   
Hah! Yep.

> We build our own wireless middle mile and that actually helps us with 
> cost control because we are responsible for the links, also we find that 
> customers like the fact that we have zero reliance on any ILEC.
>   

Interesting. Is the purpose of the wireless middle mile to reach a
carrier neutral facility? Very intriguing. I've considered doing that
here in Los Angeles. Back haul to One Wilshire or something. I have
friends with gear on the mountains. Hmmm
> Bret
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>   
>> Well yes, AT&T, Sprint, Qwest, and Verizon have fiber almost everywhere. 
>> That doesn't mean they'll sell you a service that you can cost effectively 
>> use.
>>
>>   
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL

[Charles N Wyble]

This is why I have said that the stimulus dollars need to go to middle
milte build outs. Wireless as a last mile medium is very well understood
and gives best bang for the buck in a lot of scenarios.

Justin Wilson wrote:
> I think part of the issue is economies of scale.  Many rural ISPs have
> T1s and T3s at best.  The cost of transport and bandwidth doesn¹t allow them
> to scale as well as they could if they had fiber or some other high capacity
> transport.  With providers such as Cogent well under $10 a meg in bulk you
> can afford to up the speed (providing your network can support it) if you
> have access to such things.
>
> I have seen several providers start offering better speeds once they had
> access to a bigger pipe. I know in my area a T1 is still around $450 a
> month.  Get 4 bonded t1s and you are looking at $300 a meg.  If you had
> access to fiber and your transport + bandwidth cost you say $75 a meg you
> could afford to up the subscriber speeds.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Justin
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Re: [WISPA] RIVERSIDE NEEDS YOU

[Charles N Wyble]

Chuck Daddy Wy-Fi is in. What's the deal? Who do I have to talk to?
What's the process?


Chuck Profito wrote:
> AT&T Wants to Dump Riverside Network on City
>
> One of the legacy muni-Fi networks will have new (or no) owners: Esme Vos
> writes at MuniWireless.com about the current state of the Riverside, Calif.,
> network operated by AT&T. The network was the first and only bid by AT&T
> with MetroFi, which was unable to complete that network along with many
> others, and which shut down in 2008. In Riverside, AT&T kept up much of its
> end of the bargain, hiring Nokia Siemens to complete the network, which Vos
> says only reached 77 percent of the city. (One expects there's no SkyPilot
> gear left in place, either, but I don't know that for sure.)
>
> The network has 20,000 daily users out of a population of about 300,000 (in
> 2000); the county has over 2.1 million residents.
>
> AT&T wants to give the city the network at no cost, but the city is facing
> revenue shortfalls like the rest of the country (and most of the world).
> It's trying to get a federal grant.
>
> Of the networks originally built in part or whole by EarthLink, Kite, and
> MetroFi, only a handful remain in operation. Philadelphia recently moved to
> take over the remains of the network there from an interim firm that had
> been planning to build out a variety of access services.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outside_plant is a good starting point most
likely.



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Re: [WISPA] Private fiber deployments

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MDK wrote:
> I have a situation where a rural housing development (very rural, up in the 
> mountains, far far from town, heavily wooded) is wanting broadband, and it 
> seems to me that the best way would be to wire these guys up.   I have 900 
> gear onsite, but the fact that the area is steep, rugged, and heavily 
> timbered, means I can't get even 900 to work well in it.

Sounds about right.

> 
> When the original owner/developer started this thing, he put in underground 
> power and phones to some of it, and some of it's in the air.

Interesting. How accessible is the conduit etc? Is the demarc at the
edge, or does the phone company own anything inside? Just wondering if
you can get access to the existing paths with just the HOA approval.

> 
> The roads are not county property, they are owned by the HOA that runs the 
> development.  

That's good. Is the power/phone is HOA property as well? Or a local
utility company?

  Anyone familiar with what legal entanglements and
> requirements are involved in stringing fiber?

Most of what I have read is about right of way issues from cities.
Presumably there are code requirements of some sort. Talk to guys like
http://www.scte.org/

   I would need to run about
> 1-2 miles, at absolute most, and it would pass 30 to 40 homes / yet 
> undeveloped lots.

Interesting. Would it be a loop? Passive or active?  you should
start a blog and keep track of what you find! :)

> 
> Where do I look for best practices for build out, who's done this kind of 
> stuff?

There is an organization that does a lot of the cabling standards and
stuff bsci or bcsi or something. Having a hard time recalling the
name right now.


There is also scte.

Search around for outside plant ... that is what has turned up a lot of
good info for me. Of course I'm more of a hobbyist, and just intrigued
by all the outside plant. :)

> 
> Any input or experiences with this appreciated.

Hopefully other far more experienced folks then I can share as well. :)


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Re: [WISPA] Data Site Consortium Threats?

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Jason Wallace wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about a company named Data Site Consortium?
> 
> Someone named Debra Dupée is calling and asking for information about my 
> company that has to do with the "Federal Broadband Mapping Program"
> 
> She said she got my information from FCC Form 477!  And is working with 
> all ISPs in Arizona.
> 
> 1.  Doesn't this mean that the FCC broke it's word about the 
> non-disclosure part of 477, since Data Site Consortium is a privately 
> owned company?

I strongly doubt that. The feds tend to take the law pretty seriously.
Disclosure that isn't in accordance with written agreements would almost
certainly be a federal offense. I'm not a lawyer, but everything I have
read says that the feds are pretty compliant.

This person probably is on various e-mail lists (maybe even on this
one), and/or has access to various business registration databases (I
presume you are registered with your city/county/state and the federal
government or some combination thereof?)

> 
> 2.  Do I have to reply to their demands?
> 
> Worst of all, I got a message on my cell yesterday that said (and I quote):
> "We will escalate this up to the State Level and then to the Federal 
> level if we don't hear from you."

I would contact your local FBI office. This seems quite suspicious. It
could even be considered a threat. The feds really don't like it when
people try to use them as an intimidation element.

> 
> The email addresses she provides aren't even branded:
> azbroadb...@gmail.com
> ddu...@cox.net

Quite fraudulent.

> 
> Is she legit?  Anyone?  Shouldn't they have to provide proof of who they 
> are or a warrant or something before I have to provide info?

Absolutely. What info is this person asking for? When was it asked for?
Did you record the phone number? Make sure to have all info in line
before going to the FBI.

> 
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Re: [WISPA] Outage

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Robert West wrote:
> As a side note about all those twitter people, they should check out
> http://pleaserobme.com/ 

Heh...

http://twitter.com/charlesnw/status/9481368790 :)

Seriously though, twitter has an immense amount of practical uses.
search.twitter.com and save results as an RSS feed is what I use the most.

Now Foursquare on the other hand

> 
> Tracks twitter users who post their comings and goings.

I tweet a lot, and I will often post when I'm going out. However that
doesn't mean the house isn't secure in other fashions.

  No need to "case
> the joint" as twitterers post where they are at all times leaving ample
> warning of them coming home so that you can rob their homes.
> 
> Nice lesson to teach some people.
> 
> Bob-

In the coming months and years, folks who refuse to embrace the two way
web will be left behind. It's taking the world by storm and enabling all
sorts of new opportunities. Now with that comes some risks and those
need to be mitigated. It's just like mounting access points on towers.
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Re: [WISPA] Initial 3650 research

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Gino Villarini wrote:
> Charled, your blog states that you intend to deploy 802.11y , but currently 
> there isnt any gear available.  Ubtn xr3 is 11a gear.
>   

Oh. Hmmm. Thanks for the information. I still have more research to do
it seems. :)

I'm re writing portions of the post in a way that I think will flow
better, as well as adding some additional information.
I'll post an update here when I have finished the update.

I think its safe to say that a topic such as this is quite complex and
will require a fair amount of page space to properly capture.
> We have sucesfully negotiated with the local earth station using a telecom 
> law firm.
>   

Can you define local? What law firm did you use? Which earth station on
the list was it?

If it's ok with you would you mind leaving that info as a comment on my
blog as well as replying here?

Thanks!

Charles Wyble

> gino
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Charles N Wyble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:12 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Initial 3650 research
>
> I have done a blog post on my initial findings regarding 3650 and
> deploying in Southern California. It's quite long and has a number of
> external references. Hopefully it is of use to some of you. I will be
> turning out two more posts over the next week or so as well as updating
> this one with additional information.
>
> If anyone else out there has info on 3650 and exclusion zones, please
> let me know!!! :)
>
> Here is the post:
> http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html
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[WISPA] Initial 3650 research

[Charles N Wyble]

I have done a blog post on my initial findings regarding 3650 and
deploying in Southern California. It's quite long and has a number of
external references. Hopefully it is of use to some of you. I will be
turning out two more posts over the next week or so as well as updating
this one with additional information.

If anyone else out there has info on 3650 and exclusion zones, please
let me know!!! :)

Here is the post:
http://charlesnw.blogspot.com/2008/07/80211y-3650-mhz-in-southern-california.html

Apologies if this is considered spam.

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Re: [WISPA] VPN solutions for mobility environments

[Charles N Wyble]

Rogelio wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Can you provide any info on the open source solutions that you have
>> been looking into?
>>
>> I have a network ops team that is well skilled on foss platforms, so
>> the OPEX concerns aren't nearly as high for us as they might be for
>> other organizations. 
>
> I'm currently looking into it.  I've got some inquiries in some other
> listservs and will post back what interesting things I find.

Thanks. I appreciate that.  We are in the process of deploying Zeroshell
which uses OpenVPN. We have been happy with OpenVPN in other deployments
already. Zeroshell also includes RADIUS/802.1x/OpenLDAP etc. It's a nice
solution.

>
> In your case, you've got people to engineer and maintain an open
> source solution.  Lots of other public safety places I have dealt with
> don't have that luxury.

Yes I fully realize that, which is why I mentioned that fact in my
reply. :)


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Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners?

[Charles N Wyble]

Rogelio wrote:
> Anyone here do solar installations, particularly in the central valley 
> area of California?
>   

I'm also very interested in Solar solutions as well. I'm in the Southern
California region myself.
> One client with a several hundred hundred radio mesh installation (over 
> possibly 3000-ish homes) on the horizon wants to seriously look for 
> solar solutions and partners.
>   

We are looking to deploy several hundred radios as well for a large
scale private network, and want
it to be resilient as possible. This includes power and back haul
connectivity. Solar looks to be a good
backup power option, and with the price of everything increasing perhaps
a good primary option?



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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Charles N Wyble]

Matt Liotta wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote:
>
>   
> Well there is a place WISPA could be useful. As an organization, go  
> and work with the FSS owners to come up with a framework where WISPA  
> members could more easily gain exceptions to the exclusion zones.
>   

Has anyone done this? I have been looking into the 3650 range for use in
Southern California for a large scale (private) network that is
currently in the design phase.

I created a quick yahoo map of the base stations that I (and the sites I
want to service) are within 150km of. A sparse page with a link to the
map is at http://www.socalwifi.org/3650/ I plan to visit each site
Saturday and gather info (pictures/contact info etc). I'll put that up
on the site and change the yahoo map links to the respective info pages.

I would love to work with anyone who has information or contacts
regarding exclusionary zones and cooperation. Any research I do will be
placed at the above URL, and I will blog about the process at
http://charlesnw.blogspot.com.

I'm a bit busy tomorrow with finishing the frame up of a couple other
projects and delegating them to my software engineers (namely the
services/software we plan to run over the network). I plan to begin
research in earnest next week into 3650 / 802.11y.

So while I'm not a WISP per se, I am very interested in many of the same
issues that WISPs are.

Charles

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Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario

[Charles N Wyble]

Rogelio wrote:
> Matt Hardy wrote:
>   
>> I guess one question would be is it a Layer 2 or Layer 3 mesh? That 
>> would influence what options you have.
>> 
>
> Good question.  Thus far, I've only played with "layer 2" meshes. 
> (MobileIP is, I believe, a "layer 3" one, right?)
>   

Yes that is correct.

> (Layer 2 meshes, I have heard from others, are "better", but I'm not 
> exactly sure why this is the case, to be honest.)
>   

Well. It's completely transparent and application/protocol independent.

Charles




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Re: [WISPA] layered sec tools

[Charles N Wyble]

Rogelio wrote:
> Having come from a networking / systems background, I'm putting together 
> various security tools for wireless networks, and a quick google search 
> shows me that you guys haven't discussed them on this list.
>
> http://www.packetfence.org/
> http://freenac.net/
>   

Hmmm. FreeNAC was a royal pain to figure out how to download. It's at
http://freenac.net/en/community/downloads.

Also Packetfence has some good documentation and howtos. Linux journal
had one a few issues back. I wasn't aware of FreeNAC but I will
definitely give it a close look for the SoCal WiFI project.

Charles



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Re: [WISPA] NASA Worldwind

[Charles N Wyble]

I think you wanted http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ :)

Cool site. Didn't know about it.

I am also interested in GIS systems and using them to help plan wifi
coverage etc.

Charles


Rogelio wrote:
> Has anyone here played with NASA's WorldWind?
>
> http://wiki.socalwifi.net
>
> I tried to get it going yesterday, but my video card wouldn't take it.  I'm
> thinking that perhaps this would be a good compliment to Google Earth and MS
> Liv Maps for assessing wifi coverage in certain areas.
>
> (Any other Google Earth / MS Live replacements would be greatly
> appreciated!)
>
>   




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Re: [WISPA] service layers examples and solutions

[Charles N Wyble]

Ack! That should have been http://wiki.socalwifi.org


Rogelio wrote:
> On 6/8/08, *Charles N Wyble* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> This is very similar to something I am putting together. See
> http://wiki.socalwifi.net for details.
>
> I'm in the process of deploying OpenLDAP/Kerberos/OpenVPN/FreeRADIUS.
> Numerous Howtos abound.
>
> I am planning on producing an end to end howto once the process is
> complete. I'll put it on the wiki.
>
>  
> I'm looking primarily for two pieces:
>  
> (1) the levels themselves (and what each level gives user of that level)
>  
> (2) technology that addresses the "nuts and bolts" of that level.
>  
> In each case, I'm assuming that the business model works out.  As a
> sort of focal point, I'm looking at something that might work in, say,
> an apartment building or larger office complex sort of environment. 
> In other words, some sort of service that a building owner might
> consider putting some money into if he was going to cover his whole
> area with wireless and wanted to make sure that various users got what
> they paid for (or got very little for what they didn't pay for!)




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Re: [WISPA] service layers examples and solutions

[Charles N Wyble]

Rogelio,

This is very similar to something I am putting together. See
http://wiki.socalwifi.net for details.

I'm in the process of deploying OpenLDAP/Kerberos/OpenVPN/FreeRADIUS.
Numerous Howtos abound.

I am planning on producing an end to end howto once the process is
complete. I'll put it on the wiki.

Charles


Rogelio wrote:
> I'm looking at offering various service layers through wireless and was
> wondering if others here perhaps had any examples that they might share.
>
> Some of the ideas I'm kicking around are:
>
> basic: free, limited downloads, all p2p traffic blocked, have to
> reauthenticate every hour or so
> regular: nominal fee for more things
> premium: pay the most, get the most...
>
> Also, I'm looking for solutions that help tier out these service (e.g.
> RADIUS).  Any advice in this department would be greatly apprecited.
>
>   




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