Re: [WISPA] Yet another test

2017-04-05 Thread Eric Tykwinski
You’re running a linux box:
Received: from wmwisp.net ([127.0.0.1])
by localhost (wmwisp.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
with ESMTP id jhsWqAolPP3c for ;
Wed,  5 Apr 2017 18:32:44 -0400 (EDT)

So, my first step would be to grep mail.log on a Ubuntu box that I run with: 
techwebhosting.net .
My headers are showing:
Received: from cp3.techwebhosting.net (cp3.techwebhosting.net [216.146.225.120])
(using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by spam.techwebhosting.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 320301271BA
for ; Wed,  5 Apr 2017 21:20:44 -0400 (EDT)

I don’t get mail from lists to my linux box, but it should show something like 
this:
Apr  5 22:51:14 mail amavis[5541]: (05541-18) Passed CLEAN {RelayedInbound}, 
[205.201.133.206]:60667 [205.201.133.206] 

Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Eric Tykwinski
I wouldn’t use in production, but I’ve got a few Quanta LB6M switches in my lab.

You can find them on ebay for 100-300 USD usually.

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
To: Wispa
Subject: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

 

Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC into and 
use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for used, ugly, bulky, 
etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly testing. Not real world 
environment.

 

Tnx

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone can ID this Netgear device? maybe a xdsl router?

2017-02-16 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Gino,

 

It looks like their home automation router.

http://www.netgear.com/service-providers/products/home-monitoring-automation
/gateways/asg1000.aspx

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

 

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Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone can ID this Netgear device? maybe a xdsl router?

 

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

2017-02-03 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Laughs…

That’s a typical salesman response if I’ve ever heard one…
Sad but true, if you’ve got an engineer in house, always request an engineer at 
the other end so they can talk shop.

I’ve usually had help getting demo equipment from most vendors, but I’ve been 
out of the WISP bus for a awhile.
Even big name switching and routing vendors though still want to make a deal, 
so I’m sure it’s still holds.

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> 
> Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las 
> Vegas in 2005...
> 
> Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz 
> channel, etc...
> John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
> Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
> John: 2007.
> Me: Have you ever tested that?
> John: No.
> Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
> John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> -Kristian


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Re: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?

2017-01-20 Thread Eric Tykwinski
As an aside on PRTG...  I was wondering if anyone knows of a VoIP dialer that 
you could use for alerts.
I was looking at some PowerShell scripts before, but haven't really gotten 
around to getting it up and running.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
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+1 for PRTG. Can't live without it. 



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Re: [WISPA] Charge for remote thermostat?

2017-01-17 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Jon,

Verizon, T-Mobile, et al usually charge per MB.  
I could only find Verizon's pricing guide online from a third party.
http://www.suburbanexpress.com/verizon_m2m_rates.pdf

I've used it for OOB before, and I remember some sort of setup fees as well.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

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Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Charge for remote thermostat?

Customer wants to have control of their thermostat and heading south for 3-6
months. I'm guessing they want a $5/mo connection. Suggestions on how to
handle or charge for this?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

2016-11-02 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Sorry,

The 3750E was just an aside, as yes it won’t do PoE input or anything else.
RB3011, not the greatest stats, but might fit the bill:

Tested ambient temperature  -30 + 70 C
PoE in  Yes

ModeConfiguration   1518 byte   512 byte64 byte
kppsMbpskppsMbpskppsMbps
Bridgingnone (fast path)325.0   3,946.8 939.8   3,849.4 1,530.2 
783.5
Bridging25 bridge filter rules  325.0   3,946.8 384.2   1,573.7 348.6   
178.5
Routing none (fast path)325.0   3,946.8 939.8   3,849.4 1,437.6 736.1
Routing 25 simple queues325.0   3,946.8 419.6   1,718.7 419.7   214.9
Routing 25 ip filter rules  202.0   2,453.1 204.1   836.0   188.4   96.5

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I will agree the cisco 3750's are awesome for the feature set and price, but 
> the form factor is just not there for me. They can not be remotely powered by 
> POE input, and the only the 24 count units and higher have SFP and GIG-e 
> ports. The 12 port versions are all SFP's only. Yes, I am aware there are 
> copper SFP's, but that adds to cost. These switches would require a larger 
> case, take up more power, and space. I don't think this is an valid option 
> for this environment. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Eric Tykwinski <eric-l...@truenet.com> wrote:
> Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.
> 
> Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in my 
> home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
> They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.
> 
> But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with the 
> 10Gb uplinks.
> They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much at 
> L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
> The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay away 
> from it.
> 
> > On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg> wrote:
> >
> > They come in all shapes and sizes.
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
> >
> > You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have 
> > suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use 
> > different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
> >
> > If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great. 
> > They have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like 
> > on device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them 
> > from TAC if that wets your whistle.
> >
> 
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

2016-11-02 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Late to the discussion, but my 2 cents.

Personally the 3750 switches are kick ass, personally I run the 3750E’s in my 
home lab with ISIS to a SRX.
They are still EOL and dirt cheap as well with 10Gb uplinks.  

But I agree with Daniel Harling, and would probably go with 3011’s with the 
10Gb uplinks.
They still have the ASIC switch hardware in ROS so you aren’t loosing much at 
L2 and can still do VLAN isolation as well as routing.
The CRS is severely hampered by the proc on any routing, so I would stay away 
from it. 

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Tim Way  wrote:
> 
> They come in all shapes and sizes.
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html
> 
> You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have 
> suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use 
> different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.
> 
> If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great. They 
> have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like on 
> device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them from 
> TAC if that wets your whistle.
> 


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Re: [WISPA] routing issues

2016-10-21 Thread Eric Tykwinski
That would be correct...

paypal.com. 172800  IN  NS  ns1.p57.dynect.net.
paypal.com. 172800  IN  NS  ns2.p57.dynect.net.
paypal.com. 172800  IN  NS  ns3.p57.dynect.net.
paypal.com. 172800  IN  NS  ns4.p57.dynect.net.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Steckel
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 1:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] routing issues

The attacked is targeting a major DNS provider. See:

   www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/business/internet-problems.html


- Marco Coelho <coelh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Going through cogent, in the last two weeks I've had networks drop at 
> cogent including paypal today.  I've heard the DDOS noise, but have 
> never seen paypal taken down.  Any input?
> 
> Marco
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036

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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

2016-06-10 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Tim,

 

I’m not sure, but you could check Ikano wholesale 
(http://www.ikano.com/companies/access/wholesale) out as well.  They weren’t 
bad to deal with on our out of state DSL 

services that I had to order for some of our larger local customers.

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

 

Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting a 
proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on it? In 
particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but for miles 
and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink would convert 
that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be willing to extend 
from there outwards into areas that are completely without non satellite or 
cellular service.

 

Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I 
would need to be a CLEC to make that work.

 

Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others have 
experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at CenturyLink.

 

Thanks,

 

Tim

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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

2014-11-19 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Fred,

It’s a little late, but damn, that was a good description of the problem.
I’m hoping and just hoping, that Wheeler understands exactly what the problem 
really is.
Everyone thinks Title II is a hammer both on the ILEC and the public activist 
side,
but in reality I hope that the FCC does have a bit more common sense and see
that competition is what will lead to the public good in the long run.

Now if the lawyers can actually come up with something that will legally stick, 
well that’s up in the air.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222

 On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net 
 wrote:
 
 Wow, that was well thought out. I'd say that's a pretty good assessment!
 
 Kevin
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
 
 
 On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote:
 I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous.
 
 https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9
 
 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support 
 and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying 
 to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems 
 carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might 
 be on the hate it side, but I'm interested to find out. Thanks for 
 your answer and have a fantastic day!
 
 
 You asked the question very poorly, so there is no one correct answer.
 
 Broadband is an adjective. You don't regulate adjectives, you regulate 
 nouns.  Broadband what? This is the fallacy of today's public discourse 
 -- they are using this adjective as a noun without the noun, so 
 different people use it to have different referents.
 
 I think I'm in pretty close harmony with the WISPA position here, given 
 that Steve Coran chose me to help him give his NN talk in Vegas last 
 month based on my detailed Comments on the topic to the FCC.  And I've 
 been writing and Commenting on this for years. Several years ago I told 
 the FCC that they were using this adjective as a noun, but that they 
 could separate the two primary implied nouns by using a Spanish-language 
 convention.  El Broadband would refer to the physical facility, the high 
 speed transmission medium. La Broadband would refer to the content of 
 the facility, including Internet service delivered over it.  (If you 
 don't know Spanish, el radio is a device and la radio is a 
 program.)  But in lawyer terms, El Broadband is the telecommunications 
 component, and La Broadband is the information service riding atop it.
 
 The reason NN is a Thing is that the FCC, in 2005, threw away the law 
 (TA96) and decided that telephone companies could stop being common 
 carriers, stop providing ISPs with El Broadband (raw DSL), and simply 
 sell La Broadband as a vertically-integrated service with exclusive 
 access to their formerly common-carrier facilities.  So typical 
 consumers in cities went from having many ISP choices (one cable company 
 and many ISPs available via DSL) to two (one each cable and DSL).
 
 The public reaction to this was, understandably, rather negative. They 
 recognized that they could be screwed by their cable and telco 
 duopolists (monopolists in many areas, and more in the future as the 
 ILECs abandon their copper plant without replacing it).  But not 
 recognizing the difference between a network (what carries IP) and an 
 internetwork (the Internet itself, content slung across many 
 networks), they demanded network neutrality referring to the ISP 
 function itself.  And the FCC obliged, being basically political, by 
 proposing the regulation of Internet services, but not regulating the 
 actual telecom provided by the monopolists.
 
 So I'm in favor of applying Title II to the actual telecommunications 
 component of broadband services provided by incumbents, and those using 
 rivalrous facilities (those that exclude others, including pole 
 attachments, conduits, and exclusively-licensed frequencies).  But those 
 who only compete with incumbent cable and telco, or who use 
 non-rivalrous facilities and frequencies (that includes essentially all 
 WISPs), would not fall under Title II whatsoever, and neither would the 
 Internet backbone or anything done on the Internet itself (IP layer on 
 up, but this does not refer to IP-based voice services provided by 
 facility owners).
 
 So I'm in favor of Title II for some broadband stuff (where it opens 
 monopoly wire to competitive ISPs) but not others (where it regulates 
 the Internet or WISPs).  Got it?  That's why the question is wrong.
 
 -- 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik on Multi-core

2014-01-24 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Not sure if this is still the case, but I remember people saying BGP is
limited to a single core. 

Depending on the number of peers, this could definitely cause some
convergence issues.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:59 PM
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik on Multi-core

 

It sounds like his question is more geared toward very high bandwidth
applications core routing for a multigigabit network, or datacenter type
operations.

Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
:: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::

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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP

2013-10-17 Thread Eric Tykwinski
It's called security through obscurity.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity
The problem is I don't think XP has quite reached that level as compared to 
VMS, Amiga, NextStep, et al...
Though SneakerNet, like you say is a different matter...  I'm sure there are 
still Kiosks, SCADA, and the like that are isolated and running XP, and will be 
for quite some time.

Sincerely,

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On Oct 17, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

 Us too.  They are isolated from the internet, but we still have them doing 
 things.
 
 --
 
 On 10/17/2013 7:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 I still run Windows 2000 on some computers. :)
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 17, 2013, at 16:56, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 
 That was why I brought it up.
 
 I don't believe we can force users off XP.  
 Obviously, proper port blocking helps.  Placing your XP users on source 
 NAT'ed IP's might help.
 
 Are there other options?  Packet filtering?  Email filtering?  Something 
 else?
 
 --
 
 
 
 
 On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
 That is a good point, is there anything we can do to get users off XP? 
 When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers and 
 spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer too... 
 in our networks.
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 It works itself out……
 
  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik
 
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
 
  
 Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
  
 From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
 To: memb...@wispa.org, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Windows XP
 
 Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.
 
 Windows XP usage still above 30%.
 
 Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for 
 whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?
 
 I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they 
 don't see a good reason to.
 
 
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 Allegan, Michigan 49010
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Re: [WISPA] Change your passwords

2013-09-30 Thread Eric Tykwinski
My personal suggestion:
1password, lastpass, password safe, etc...

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Change your passwords

I recommend everyone change their social networking passwords. I've been 
getting so much SPAM lately on these services from people with hijacked 
accounts, it's ridiculous. There actually have been a few people from these 
lists that have been sending me SPAM.

I had the same password on many for a few years because it was so complex, but 
I changed mine yesterday - at least on the sites I could remember.


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Re: [WISPA] Do WISPs need a deal with Google?

2013-07-25 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Google's pretty open on the peering points:
http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=15169

They also have caching options:
https://peering.google.com/

- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:38:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do WISPs need a deal with Google?

I tried to look at your web site, but could only find 403 Forbidden pages. 
Where are you located?



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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

2013-05-20 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Matt,

We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
were pretty simple to setup:
http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/


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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Hi All,
Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
-- 

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Re: [WISPA] Customer having trouble with Facebook

2013-03-25 Thread Eric Tykwinski
It’s showing fine here, but I wouldn’t be surprise if an anycast server
somewhere had an expired certificate.
Just happened last month to MS:
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-azure-storage-issue-expired-https-certificate-p
ossibly-at-fault-711705/


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 3:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer having trouble with Facebook

Tell him to fix the time  and date on his PC lol. 


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Re: [WISPA] network password manager

2013-03-21 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Most I would suspect use LDAP/Active Directory and radius at the office.  

Depending on the number of employees, I personally use 1Password for my home
network/lab.

It integrates with DropBox to keep every device/employee up to date.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:04 PM
To: a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] network password manager

 

As our network grows and we keep adding more hardware I am wondering what
others do with passwords to all these devices.

 

i hate having one password that works on a lot of devices but i haven't
found a good industry practice or software tool to store all this data
securely.

 

I'm thinking of looking at our network as different classes of devices and
making some kind of standard password for each device class but then make
the specific password for the device different by adding something to the
base class password so it would be different than all the others in the
class.

 

servers

routers

switches

UPSs

BHs

APs

etc.

 

 

what are you guys doing?  any good tools out there? 

 

thanks,

sean

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

2013-02-05 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Matt,

We didn't see anything here on the Sonet ring around the Philadelphia area.
I have noticed that the past couple of weeks they have been doing BGP
changes, seems like they are slowly integrating with GLBX's ASN3549.  We
lost IPv6 connectivity for short periods of time.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:05 AM
To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Level3 Explosion?

Did anyone else see an explosion on the Level3 network this morning? 
They've been up and down all morning since around 2:30 eastern time... 
just recovered recently.
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[WISPA] FW: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance

2013-02-05 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Matt,

Don't know if you are a member of NANOG, but it's seems like this was a planned 
outage that went badly...

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds [mailto:ess...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:40 AM
To: na...@nanog.org
Subject: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance

I know a lot of you are out of the office right now, but does anybody have any 
info on what happened with L3 this morning? They went into a 5 hour maintenance 
window with expected downtime of about 30 minutes while they upgraded something 
like *40* of their core routers (their words), but also did this during some 
fiber work and completely cut off several of their east coast peers for the 
entirety of the 5 hour window.

If anybody has any more info on this, on a NOC contact for them on the East 
Coast for future issues, you can hit me off off-list if you don't feel 
comfortable replying with that info here.

Thanks, and I hope hope you guys are enjoying Orlando.

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Re: [WISPA] FW: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance

2013-02-05 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Looking deeper into this, there was two things going on.
1. DC had a configuration issue.
2. Upgrade in Anaheim, CA caused a cascading BGP failure.

I didn't even notice the BGP issue but looking at our cacti graphs, we saw a
drop from 229K routes to 12K routes from 3:08 AM to 3:15AM EST.
Didn't lose any traffic, and never received any monitoring notices from
BGPMon.

My guess would be some lucky people probably got hit with both issues.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance

Yes,
I know it was a planned outage... it's the went badly part that I want
more information on (e.g. how was this even allowed to happen and for how
long it did).


Matt Hoppes
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Indigo Wireless
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question

2012-10-11 Thread Eric Tykwinski
My boss just picked up a Rocket M2 and a few PicoStation 2s for a free WiFi
access point situation.
Basically, it's going to be a star grid running WDS from the Rocket to each
Pico with AP access at each location.

My problem is the Rocket doesn't seem to want to do AP-Repeater for some
reason, and is only acting as a Station.

Any advice or has anyone run into this before.

Thanks,
Eric


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question

2012-10-11 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Not my choice on setup but his...  I'm thinking he's only going to have
about 3 Pico's and the Rocket.

Basically, I can connect to a PicoStation from my laptop.  With just the
Rocket on, it isn't acting as an AP.
The PicoStation's can connect to the Rocket without any issues.  So imho
that tends to point to the Rocket.

I've tried both 5.5 and 5.5.2 firmware without any luck.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - quick question

?  What makes you think the Rocket is acting as a station?

First, can you define a few?   The suggestion of what you want to do 
is almost certainly a bad idea and will result in poor performance unless
you are only planning to feed the main AP with a meg or two.

None-the-less.  If you insist on forging ahead with this what you need to do
is set the Rocket to AP-Repeater as you have done, and then input the MAC
addresses of the PicoStations.

You will then need to set the PicoStations as repeaters and put in the MAC
address of the Rocket.


On 10/11/12 9:46 AM, Eric Tykwinski wrote:
 My boss just picked up a Rocket M2 and a few PicoStation 2s for a free
WiFi
 access point situation.
 Basically, it's going to be a star grid running WDS from the Rocket to
each
 Pico with AP access at each location.

 My problem is the Rocket doesn't seem to want to do AP-Repeater for some
 reason, and is only acting as a Station.

 Any advice or has anyone run into this before.

 Thanks,
 Eric


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Re: [WISPA] Level3 Resolution/Routing Issue

2012-07-02 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Matt,

We are not seeing anything unusual in the Philadelphia area.  Took a bgp
flap last night around midnight, but traffic seems normal.
Do you have any specific information, such as traceroutes to certain
servers, dig traces, etc?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Level3 Resolution/Routing Issue

Pennsylvania...


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Access

2012-03-08 Thread Eric Tykwinski
If they have a OSX server or Linux server, the Apples could just use a
simple SSH Tunnel.

A little AppleScript setup and it's just a click for the user.

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

F: 610-429-3222

 

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Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Remote Access

 

We've currently got a customer using the a sonicwall SSL VPN Netextender to
VPN into their internal network. However, Lately it hasn't been working to
well for them. And they are getting a few mac's in the mix these days. And
sonicwall says the software doesn't work with macs and there is no plan to.

Now, I know I could do this with a simple mikrotik router and PPTP as pretty
much everything under the sun supports pptp. But we were looking for
something that might be a little more user friendly. Anyone have any
suggestions.
The customer is just looking to gain internal access for things like windows
filesharing..exchange..etc.. in a secure fashion.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg 

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Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

2012-02-29 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Monoprice has them, don't know exactly how cheap compared to others they are
though:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102cp_id=10240cs
_id=1024011 cp_id=10240cs_id=1024011

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

F: 610-429-3222

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ben West
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ethernet and towers with FM transmitters

 

Might anyone have a recommendation for a cheap supplier of ferrite beads
large enough to fit thick STP, e.g. like Ubiquiti tough cable?

-- 
Ben West

http://gowasabi.net
b...@gowasabi.net

 

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Re: [WISPA] Email server for ISP

2012-01-09 Thread Eric Tykwinski
I think I told you that we use SmarterTools, SmarterMail product.  
It does integrate with both Plesk and Enkompass/cPanel, if that fits your
situation,
and there is an API if you are looking to automate some stuff or pull stats.

The main feature that I like is the simple file structure so backup/recovery
is pretty simple from both server/mailbox level.
It's also got allot of features our customers are asking for: ActiveSync,
Email Archival, etc..
The support isn't the best, but I've only used the email support so far.
We've run into a few bugs which happen quite often, but fixes do come out
regularly.

For the spam/virus we use both Vircom's ModusGate, and SmarterMail's built
in CommTouch av/spam.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Email server for ISP

Dear All

I am wondering what you are using to give email boxes to customers.

In particular:

1) POP3/IMAP/SMTP, etc
2) spam/virus filtering
3) APIs so that it's possible to automate the processes (e.g. email box 
creation)
4) web interface

Any suggestion is welcome


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Re: [WISPA] anybody else seen this?

2012-01-05 Thread Eric Tykwinski
There are a ton of black out scripts out there to temporary censor your site
through CSS.
I personally wouldn't want to do anything too invasive especially if you
have allot of residential customers, thinking more on the side of your
support staff.

A quick search on Github:
https://github.com/octatone/SOPA-Blackout
https://github.com/dougmartin/Stop-Censorship
https://github.com/jaromero/SOPA-block

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
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F: 610-429-3222


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Behalf Of Philip Dorr
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 3:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] anybody else seen this?

Mess with your DNS servers and turn off any file/video hosting sites?

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/111543-google-amazon-facebook-and-twitt
er-considering-nuclear-option-to-protest-sopa

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Censorship

2011-11-17 Thread Eric Tykwinski
I personally agree.  Without due process these laws are a total joke, sadly
on the authority of the US law system.
We have already seen some of the effects of such legislation through ICE and
the take down of mooo.com.  
(http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=mooo.com)

IMHO,  without the legal rigmarole, copyright holders and prosecutors have
no justification to ensure that they are abiding the laws either.

Sincerely,

Eric 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:19 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Internet Censorship

As an individual I think it is way out of line.  Near as I can tell it
circumvents due process.  I doubt it will stand up in court, but if it
passes someone is going to have to challenge it first.  Basically it takes
all those lovely copyright violation emails you get and turns them in to
something with real teeth.

It assumes everyone who has a complaint filed against them is guilty until
proven otherwise, it crosses international borders (.com, .org and .net are
not US only domains), and like most anti-terrorism, anti-piracy legislation
it is next to worthless in stopping the problem, but still manages to
curtail citizen rights.  I wonder how long it will be before someone starts
filing takedown notices on campaign sites that use copyrighted music in
their ads...

If they spent half as much time trying to find a real solution to the
problem or actually prosecuting violators of the laws on the books...

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Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

2011-09-19 Thread Eric Tykwinski
We currently have two systems in place.  Our primary system is Ipswitch's
What's up for SMS, and phone notifications.
As a backup system we also use Cacti and the threshold plugin which just
uses email notifications, but is mainly used for SNMP graphs for ourselves
and clients.

The benefit of Cacti is that we get notifications for Line errors and not
just line down situations.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300
F: 610-429-3222


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

Hi all

I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have implemented to see
when a link/router is no more reachable on the net.

Nagios or similar?

any hint would be appreciated :)

thank you


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question

2010-07-01 Thread Eric Tykwinski
 
Quick question for you guys...
When your upgrading from old version to a new version:
IE.  I've got an old x86 2.9 which I'm going to replace with a RB1100 on
4.10
(I'm with Rob in that if it isn't broke, I'm not touching it.)

Do you usually export the config and paste in the new router?
Or can I do a backup and restore with that big of a version difference?

Sincerely,
 
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Re: [WISPA] Nintendo and Wii

2009-10-30 Thread Eric Tykwinski
I remember hearing about someone testing this out previously on WISPA or
NANOG before.
Here's the link for his results:
http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp


Sincerely,
 
Eric Tykwinski
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F: 610-429-3222

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nintendo and Wii

All new Samsung blueray players also support this. Some models only support
Netflix and Pandora but some of them also support Blockbuster and youtube. 
You also start seing indications of TV devices with this streaming support
Samsung again seems to be on the forefront.  

Streaming Netflix, blockbuster and other new upcoming services will be thing
of the future. Netflix figure 1-2Mbit required for standard quality video
and 3-4Mbit for HD. At least that is my experience with Netflix. 

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Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!

2009-01-20 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same.  We're actually seeing close to
triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST.
Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end...  

I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any issues
yet.

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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!

Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people
streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically
double the traffic of a normal Tuesday.

(There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...)

David Smith
MVN.net





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[WISPA] Hotspot reccomendations?

2008-08-29 Thread Eric Tykwinski
I'm looking for a simple HotSpot solution that is very end-user friendly.
I'm used to using MikroTiks; however, I don't think that they are the
easiest routers to get around, and we are looking for 0 support for this.
CafeRadius seemed to be an ideal solution, but for some reason I couldn't
get the disk image to load onto the compact flash from either a
Windows machine or an OSX box.  Any other suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.
 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

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F: 610-429-3222

 



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