Re: [WISPA] 900MHz band

[Harold Bledsoe]

https://fccid.io/SWX-M900/Test-Report/Test-Report-1260212

You can see that it was tested/certified on 5/10/20MHz channels.

-Hal

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> We had an issue this week where we had a Power company have a 50K licensed
> band at 901.152 Mhz for power meter reading.  We have still a few older
> links that are 900MHz on Yagi’s to individuals in deep woods.  I had to
> move channels all over the place as a 902-912MHz 10Mhz channel with UBNT
> does not have edge filters that don’t pollute down to 901MHz.  So moving to
> the middle of the band cleaned up the noise on their license.
>
>
>
> Now they are claiming that 10MHz channel width in the 900MHz ISM band is
> Illegal.  That the channel width is to be no larger than 8MHz. I have read
> all kinds of ISM docs from the FCC and I see no mention of max channel
> widths.  They made mention of talking to the FCC if we didn’t fix the
> issue.
>
>
>
> Proof they are wrong any one?   This is a national company with a $10K Anritsu
> analyzer they hired in to find the noise.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[Harold Bledsoe]

There may have been a 10G tri-band omni in our booth.  ;-)

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
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Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

[Harold Bledsoe]

Since we have more than one mounting option now and different folks want
different ones, we are pulling the mounts out of the radio box and letting
it be your choice which one.

The transition has been less than smooth. We are reminding all our partners
about this.

The sector is the first to change. The rest of the MetroLinqs will follow
eventually and will get a corresponding cost reduction.

Please bear with us and let us know if you have difficulty getting mounts!

Hal

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 3:33 PM Chris Ruschmann  wrote:

> I emailed them and they said they stopped sending them with mounts because
> the default ones don’t work…
>
>
>
> So I have an email in with the distributer trying to get some options for
> mounting the things.
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2016 11:19 AM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
>
>
> I got no mount! Wtf ignitenet?
>
>
>
> *From: * on behalf of Chris Ruschmann <
> ch...@scsalaska.net>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
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> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
> *Date: *Monday, August 29, 2016 at 2:43 PM
> *To: *WISPA General List 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
>
>
> Yeah, on our Beta Gear we were seeing 600Mpbs. I haven’t got the new
> sector up to test as they apparently don’t ship them with mounts…
>
>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
>
>
> You had something not setup right.
>
>
>
> *We have seen arguments about 600meg vs 800meg vs 1g type discussions..
> but if you were seeing 30... then you had something totally off...*
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
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> *From: *"Dan Parrish" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 5:55:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear
>
> We've gotten some this week as well. Initial tests weren't too impressive,
> but I'm sure I can improve the RF alignment. At -55 on both sides, I was
> only able to pass about 30mbits/sec, which was much lower than I
> anticipated. How is everyone else faring in their tests? Please include
> RSSI and TCP performance if possible.
>
> --danp
>
> On 08/25/2016 03:13 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
>
> Just got these in, smaller than I thought they would be…
>
>
>
> Sector on the left, CPE on the right. I’ll get them setup shortly.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Recommend Managed Switch

[Harold Bledsoe]

Here's another option too:

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/SMC-EZ-Switch-SMCGS26C-Smart-switch-26-ports-managed-desktop-rack/3191553.aspx

-Hal


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>  Not sure if it's "outdoor temp rated", but for the price of an HP
> 1810-24G v2 (around $250), you really can't go wrong. Very good feature
> sets, excellent prices.
>
>
> http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/networking/products/switches/HP_1810_Switch_Series/index.aspx#tab=TAB2
>
> Josh Reynolds :: Chief Information Officer :: SPITwSPOTS
> :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer ::
>
>  On 02/05/2014 10:49 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> I am trying to set up a VLAN trunk between our office and tower over a
> 60ghz gigabit link. I want to have all the tower APs and backhauls plugged
> in to a port at the tower and have them show up on a matching port in the
> office, one VLAN per port.
>
>  I tried to do this with one of the new Mikrotik CRS but the
> configuration is incredibly clunky and I can't get it working. They also
> seem to be missing a few key features like STP.
>
>  I need a switch that has:
> tag/untag traffic on access ports
> run STP/RSTP on two trunk ports for a primary and backup wireless link
> 1 or preferably more SFP ports (gigabit link is fiber interface)
> min 16 copper gige ports
> outdoor temperature rated
> prefer runs on DC power
>
>  Any suggestions? I've not done much with managed switches and VLANs
> before, so no idea what is out there.
>
>  Thanks
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (notthe failedpower companyBPL trials)

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; core system is an open WiFi network anyway.  I would rather users be able
> to use a simple, easy to obtain unit. With the newer paired units having
> that preset, it may knock out some flexibility. These may be what the
> person referenced above may have had.
>
>
>
> What I really want to see a manufacturer come out with is a manageable
> unit we can put as the “base”.  Similar to  a WiFi AP, we could do
> authorizing (similar to MAC authentication or like DOCSIS cable modems are
> remotely activated with the CMTS) of remote devices on the same line.
>  Customer plugs in, calls up, gives address of  his unit and we authorize
> it. If they don’t pay, they get shut off.
>
>
>
> Of course we could stock and ship units that were preset with our AES
> code, but it would be a nightmare keeping all that straight as well as an
> investment in equipment we wouldn’t want to make.
>
>
>
> As I said, there is lots of potential in Home Plug AV  right now, and even
> more if the equipment becomes a little more flexible.  I’m just putting the
> ideas out there.
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Their ability to fine an entity is covered by Title 47, Chapter 5, Section 502:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVE&FILE=$$xa$$busc47.wais&start=1559935&SIZE=1041&TYPE=TEXT

-Hal

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> FCC regulation made it "mandatory" to report. Its not optionional.
> They limited reporting detail to a level that they felt would not compromise
> other privacy or confidenciality or competition laws.
>
> With that said...
> I personally feel that the FCC is on legally weak grounds to force WISPs to
> provide such data, for a number of reasons.
> If I got a fine, I'd go to court to fight it, before I'd pay it.  However,
> if the FCC took the time to make the cortesy call, the party in violation is
> on the radar, and it would sure be much easier for the party to just report
> the data, after they got that call.
>
> I dont think the FCC has ever fined anyone or audited the data reported. I
> dont think it would go over very well if they did.
> But I surely dont think its worth the risk to test them. They have the
> authority to impose the fine on ISPs and WISPs for not filing.
> (unless over turned faught in court)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Brian Webster
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
>
> I believe it has been that way all along, they just never enforced it.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
>
>
>
> One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC representative
> on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his 477
> form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
> soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify with
> our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
> offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
> threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
> unable to tell us when the "law" went into effect, or which piece of
> legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined for
> this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
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Re: [WISPA] The guy's name from airSync

[Harold Bledsoe]

Sriram.  He is on the forum as well.

-Hal
On Dec 13, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

> Spent time searching for the guy's name who put the airSync information 
> together,  'sing' something?  A little help here?
> 
> Thanks,
> Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Ligo Wave

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Justin,

Check with Ligowave support (supp...@ligowave.com) and get an updated fw
image.  It improves the performance quite a bit especially in noisy
environments.

And yes they are certified.

-Hal

On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:39 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Have deployed 5 of the Mimo ligowave units.  Not impressed when
> comparing to what they say.  Havign said that I am impressed with what they
> can do.  I have not checked lately.  Are they FCC Certified?





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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[Harold Bledsoe]

6MHz is a weird channel size for our industry traditionally but in 5MHz
~25Mbps aggregate would be comfortable.

-Hal

On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 07:39 -0700, Ryan Spott wrote:
> Hey Steve,
> 
> I use the cable-cos as an example. They get 30Mbit/sec for 6Mhz. (at least
> using docsis)
> 
> ryan
> 
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> 
> > Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work.  What channel
> > width are you going to need to have a usable system.  I mean in the VHF band
> > of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to clock
> > the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving
> > customers more bandwidth and faster service.  Yes it would cut through trees
> > and I would love it.  But at 2-3X dialup speed?
> >
> > The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your penetration
> > (>800 Mhz).
> >
> > Someone enlighten me here.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
> >
> > Awesome report!  Thanks.
> > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a
> > turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural
> > market.  At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse any
> > channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense.  I know some of
> > the
> > discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna would
> > look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so.  A TV antenna is by
> > necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of
> > frequencies.  A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built to
> > blend with the aesthetics of a home or business.  Heck, if this comes to
> > pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Gilchrist
> > Disruptive Technologist
> > Advanced Wireless Express
> > P.O. Box 255
> > Toledo, IA   52342
> > 239.770.6203
> > m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
> >
> > This is a great report good job guys and thank you.
> >
> > Next question.  I don't know any of the team personally just from your
> > posts.  The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to
> > right.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jack Unger
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
> > To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
> >
> > Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
> > Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering
> > and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
> > to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.
> >
> > The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips, John
> > Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve Coran of
> > Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.
> >
> > All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we all feel
> > that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC take favorable
> > action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV Whitespace rules by
> > making
> > corrections to several problem areas, thereby making WISP use of the
> > Whitespaces more practical and more successful.
> >
> > I'm attaching a more detailed report (.doc file) and also the official
> > written filing (PDF) that WISPA is required to make after every meeting
> > with
> > the FCC. A copy of our FCC PowerPoint presentation is also required to be
> > part of our written filing. To easily view our presentation, please rotate
> > the attached PDF clockwise 90 degrees in your Adobe Reader viewer.
> >
> > Your questions and constructive suggestions are always welcome.
> >
> > Respectfully Submitted,
> >
> > Jack Unger
> > WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> > 818-227-4220
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo......

[Harold Bledsoe]

We've put in a lot of effort to harden our devices.  The result is that
we have a very, very low failure rate on the CPE-2 & CPE-5 -- a lot
lower than the previous Realtek based products.

I'm happy to answer any questions.

-Hal

On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 07:42 -0500, Jason Hensley wrote:
> Other than hard lightning hits (meaning, blew other things in the house
> too), I haven't had an Ethernet failure on one of these in a LONG time, and
> really, don't know that I've ever had just an Ethernet failure on one.
> Tranzeo's we had that way too often - would associate, would just not pass
> Ethernet traffic any more. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Julius Igugu
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo..
> 
> How good is the Ethernet surge protection on these new units? I have 
> lost lots of their previous model CPEs due to failed Ethernet ports 
> (some tranzeos and UBNT gear too!).
> 
> Julius Igugu
> Webcenta Wireless.
> 
> On 4/1/2010 1:25 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> > I haven't tried UBNT gear for our CPE's, but I know that about 4 years ago
> I
> > dumped Tranzeo due to issues with dead CPE's coming to me.  I have used
> the
> > XR3's and they seem to work great.  I went to Deliberant for my "standard"
> > gear and haven't looked back.  Deliberant now has a CPE (2Ghz model or
> 5Ghz
> > model) that comes with an integrated antenna AND an external connector in
> > the same enclosure with software selectable option.  Great solution and an
> > outstanding enclosure!!  AND, $79.95 each on the 2Ghz, $89.95 ea on the
> > 5Ghz!!
> >
> > Rock solid stuff too.  We have had fantastic luck with Deliberant gear and
> > don't plan to do anything different.  I've replaced all Tranzeo AP's with
> > Deliberants.  We've been through Tranzeo, some Alvarion, Mikrotik setups,
> > DigitalPath, and a couple of other very temporary tests, and nothing has
> > done as well as the Deliberant gear has.
> >
> > No, I don't work for Deliberant.  No, I don't get anything from this -
> just
> > passing the word on some great gear that few people seem to discuss on
> here!
> > :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:12 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo..
> >
> > Those of you using Tranzeo, have you tried Ubiquiti products?
> > Hopefully the Nanostation2/5.
> >
> > What do you think about the differences in them (obviously besides the
> > price!)
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> > continue that counts.”
> > --- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm buying 5packs of the slim lines for $90 per CPE.
> >>
> >> I have bought them as low as $85 when in 20 packs.
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
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> >> 419-562-6405
> >> www.wavelinc.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:43 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo..
> >>
> >> What is the price range of the Tranzeo CPE type units?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> >> continue that counts.”
> >> --- Winston Churchill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> >>  
> >>> Never had any water issues.  Had around 1100 deployed at one time. Most
> >>>
> > of
> >
> >>> those are still out there.  Pretty solid until we started seeing
> ethernet
> >>> issues with the backhauls and Mikrotik routers.  Then started seeing the
> >>> issues with Cisco switches.  Great for CPE as long as you don¹t use them
> >>>
> >> as
> >>  
> >>> a DNS resolver.
> >>> --
> >>> Justin Wilson
> >>> http://www.mtin.net
> >>> http://www.metrospan.net
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Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

[Harold Bledsoe]

Well now that's not very nice


On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote:
> Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> 
> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz
> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do
> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of
> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I do including
> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will never work the
> first time out.  :)
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> 
> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs. Mikrotik in 
> my experience.
> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much bettter, at 
> least with the NorCal
> foliage we have here.
> 
> tim
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity much better
> > than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works better
> > imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would prefer
> > their 900MHz option.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck Hogg
> > Shelby Broadband
> > 502-722-9292
> > ch...@shelbybb.com
> > http://www.shelbybb.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Robert West
> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >
> > I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We have a
> > 2.5
> > mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with .25 miles
> > of
> > that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or trying to.
> > Have
> > 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent bridge using
> > XR9
> > cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with horizontal
> > polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured, just have
> > to go
> > out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see what kind
> > of
> > throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but we'll see.  
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
> >
> > We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with canopy and
> > it's abilities.  How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9 compare
> > in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a Ubiquity CPE?
> >
> >  
> >
> > Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> > Computer Network Solutions
> > CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> > IT Manager
> >
> > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> > http://www.csweb.net
> >
> > (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet 5M

[Harold Bledsoe]

If you are in the US, you can look up the FCC ID to see what frequencies
are legal.

-Hal


On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 22:44 -0700, Tim Kerns wrote:
> I just received a couple to begin testing (more like playing with) and I'm 
> not sure of the Freq. it covers.
> 
> The selections are :
> 
> 5180 to 5320 in 20 meg increments.
> 
> 5745 to 5805 in 20 meg increments
> 
> but it also has:
> 
> 5500 to 5680 in 20 meg increments.
> 
> Is this unlicensed spectrum?  I thought 5400 was, but didn't think 5500 to 
> 5680 was.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Kerns
> CV-Access, Inc.
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Harold Bledsoe]

The Contains FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 means that the laptop contains a
certified module.  EEEPC or whoever the manufacturer is, still had to
get a Declaration of Conformity covering the laptop, module, likely
peripherals, and AC adapter.  What they didn't have to do is get a new
full certification for the system.  Just a DoC.  A DoC still requires a
lab test but it is cheaper than a full cert.

-Hal



On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 12:08 -0700, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> Maybe this will clear things up (or muddy the waters)
> 
> I am looking at the bottom of my EEEPC which has a FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63
> (Atheros 802.11B/G) which refers to:
> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E
> xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=141428&fcc_i
> d=%27PPD-AR5BXB63%27
> 
> In the Test Report neither EEEPC or ASUS are mentioned. The test was
> performed on a external jig on an HP laptop with a 3dB dipole.
> 
> Next I looked up a Ubiquty SR71 card:
> https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E
> xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=287610&fcc_i
> d=%27SWX-SR71%27.
> 
> Again, the test was done an external jig on a different model HP laptop.
> The Antenna Info sheet includes a 32Db pac wireless dish, a 5dB 2.4
> omni, 17dB 2.4 panel (not sector), and a 21dB 5.8 panel (not sector).
> 
> Based on this I conclude that I can use any certified radio in my
> computer (routerboard) as long as I do not use an antenna that is not
> type certified. I need to put the FCC ID of the radio(s) on the outside
> of the case so that an inspector does not need to open the unit to
> obtain it. 
> 
> Thoughts? Comments?
>  
> __ 
> Jerry Richardson 
> airCloud Communications
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:24 AM
> To: Matt Liotta; wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
> 
> 
> I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5
> which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use
> the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it
> certified again...  They told me not to get it tested because I didn't
> need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna.
> 
> If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I
> am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final
> conclusion based on facts and I think we should.
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
> 
>  Original Message 
> > From: "Matt Liotta" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM
> > To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
> General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
> > 
> > On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci
> 
> > > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal...
> > >
> > This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone 
> > makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC 
> > disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to 
> > argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that 
> > time the system certification requirement stands.
> > 
> > -Matt
> 
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[WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

[Harold Bledsoe]

Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)

-Hal




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

[Harold Bledsoe]

I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90
licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected.
Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with
Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  This is covered with
a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically.

So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is
technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it
should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part
15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  In this case, a
Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location.

This is why the label is important.  This kind of system built from
modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model
number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about
unintentional interference.  This information tells anyone including the
FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this
example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case).
If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default.  Then if
there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module
maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed
properly).  Finally if there are problems with the unintentional
emissions, it is the system assembler's problem.

I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band.  So why does Part 15
even matter?  Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the
rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the
spectrum.  :-)

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: David E. Smith 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT

> My system is fully licensed. 

How did you get your combination of "XR3
+ Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna"
certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you
just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification
process? If so, from whom? I'd be willing to pay a small premium over
the price of "all those parts" just to avoid the legal heat.David
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Harold Bledsoe]

Or ice cream.  :)


-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800

I think you are making the point that "mesh" is a very broad term; it's
like "happiness" - there are many flavors...

Harold Bledsoe wrote: 

> Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
> about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
> 
> If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation.
> There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
> infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
> strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
> path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
> to give high performance.
> 
> On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
> mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
> should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
> the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
> outdoor selections).
> 
> I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
> there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
> are getting!
> 
> -Hal
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: os10ru...@gmail.com
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430
> 
> Mr. Burgess,
> 
>   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
> the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
> sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
> see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
> detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
> much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
> because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
> leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
> as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
> 
>   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
> bad?
> 
> Greg
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> 
>   
> 
> > Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
> > and it works :)
> > 
> > * ---
> > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> > WISPA Vendor Member*
> > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> > <http://www.linktechs.net/>
> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
> > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>
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> > 
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> > 
> > > MT and a consultant ;)
> > > 
> > > /me laughing while running for cover
> > > 
> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Scott Vander Dussen 
> > > 
> > > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
> > > just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
> > > my feet wet and have some fun.
> > > 
> > > I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
> > > worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
> > > there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest M

Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'd say that the issue is not really related to WDS but the fact that
WDS is just a way to connect APs peer to peer.  There needs to be some
sort of intelligence on top of that that chooses channels, paths, etc.
Something more than STP or any other algorithm that doesn't understand
wireless.  :)  Then even if the algorithm understands wireless, if you
are using a single radio solution, there is considerable throughput lost
per hop due to this.  So ideally you would dedicate wireless interfaces
to each task of uplink, downlink, and serving customer (except the
gateway that has a wired uplink).

That's my take on it.

-Hal


-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 -0430

Mr. Bledsoe,

I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because  
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the  
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in  
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the  
data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a  
shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents  
loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh  
performance, for "true mesh" one must use the adhoc mode so that only  
the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The  
folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book.

Would you concur?

Greg

On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

> Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are  
> talking
> about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
>
> If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation.
> There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
> infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
> strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the  
> best
> path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service  
> set
> to give high performance.
>
> On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
> mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
> should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website  
> with
> the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
> outdoor selections).
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
> there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what  
> you
> are getting!
>
> -Hal
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: os10ru...@gmail.com
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430
>
> Mr. Burgess,
>
>   What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
> the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
> sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
> see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
> detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
> much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
> because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
> leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
> as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
>
>   Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
> bad?
>
> Greg
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
>> Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
>> and it works :)
>>
>> * ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

[Harold Bledsoe]

Well there is also the mesh part too.  Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh:  http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds

If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh.  The LigoMesh products take into account signal
strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best
path.  Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set
to give high performance.

On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with
the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
outdoor selections).

I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
there is certainly a place for each one.  Just be sure you know what you
are getting!

-Hal


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430

Mr. Burgess,

What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.

Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
bad?

Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

> Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
> and it works :)
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>>
>> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
>>
>>
>> Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
>> just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
>> my feet wet and have some fun.
>>
>> I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
>> worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
>> there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
>> could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
>> someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
>> would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
>> works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
>> advance.
>>
>> `S
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>> how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

[Harold Bledsoe]

Blair,

Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit?  You
should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if
you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something.

-Hal

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500

I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's
and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps
growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below.
-RickG

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the
> bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change.
>
> This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural
> areas, bandwidth ain't cheap.
>
> A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month.
> On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month.
>
> These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per
> stream.  Just how much of this can our rural networks handle?
>
> The sat. services can't do this.  The cellular providers can't do this.
>
> Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range.
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz / 802.11y-2008

[Harold Bledsoe]

Thanks for catching that...it must not have been updated when the grant
was received.  The PTP3 is in fact certified for US operation.

Internationally, it can operate from 3.3GHz to 3.7GHz.

-Harold

On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 12:53 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> According to http://ligowave.com/?q=news/2 they aren't legal for US 
> operation.
> 
> I do like the price point. I like it very much.
> 
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> > Ligowave 
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Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers

[Harold Bledsoe]

The OP asked for OpenWRT support, and I don't think RBs support this.

-Hal

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 13:11 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> The RB100 and 500s have been decent.  Most people have a lot of them.  I'm
> not a fan of them really.
> 
> The RB400s have been absolutely amazing.  They (as Apple says) "just work"
> =)  Good performance, work well and RouterOS.  The right way to build a
> network!
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> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Charles Wyble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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> > Andy,
> >
> > Have you seen www.routerboard.com ? They have some decent CPE for less
> > then 100.00.
> >
> >
> > Andy Loukes wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi
> > >>
> > >> iam looking some one to help me getting smalled board with low cost
> > >> CPE for indoor use with the support of OpenWRT
> > >>
> > >> one lan + one wan + 1 ap
> > >>
> > >> contact me offline with specs and price
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Re: [WISPA] Equip Leasing

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have had good success with Marlin Leasing:

https://www.marlinleasing.com/marlinleasing/index.asp?menu=ml

-Hal

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:07 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone have a good relationship with a reputable equipment  
> leasing firm? If so, who are you using?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] cards

[Harold Bledsoe]

What CPU board are you using as this may limit your options?

-Hal

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Subject: [WISPA] cards
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:18 -0400



Hi,

We are currently using the Compex WLM54-SAG23 cards for customer
radios... however, we are having a lot of failures with the cards (due
to static, etc.). Has anyone found a better card that is in the same
price range?

thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies

[Harold Bledsoe]

Be sure to note that these are linear power supplies and not switching.

-Hal

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Supplies
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:23:07 -0400

Here's the link, I had it bookmarked cause it was such a steal
http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/2452565/vpcsid/0/SFV/31
734


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Subject: [WISPA] Power Supplies

Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a
link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar
range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction,
or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies
(suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used
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Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios

[Harold Bledsoe]

Flex.  We were looking for a faster, cross platform configuration method
and flex/flash really works in this case.  We can support browser or
standalone on windows/linux/ppc and give a much better overall
experience with the configuration.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/overview/

-Hal

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To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:10:48 -0700

Flex? or Ajax?

- Matt

Matt Hardy wrote:
> I've seen a couple of mentions of the slow interfaces today, so I
> thought I'd jump in and add something that you guys have to look forward
> to :)
> 
> Jason hinted at it, but the web interfaces are being completely
> redesigned with a Flex back-end. This means that each click on the UI
> will no longer require the traditional PHP post-back or page re-load.
> This makes configuring a radio much much faster. 
> 
> In addition to this style configuration, the new web interfaces will
> support "on-the-fly" or instant changes, so no more rebooting after
> every change. (this feature is optional)
> 
> We should have something available in the next month or so :)
> 
> -Matt
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 14:26 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> 
>> Yes, we have used the Ligowave quite a bit for PTP. They work great. 
>> (compared appropriately to equivellent class Atheros mpci radio card gear).
>>
>> I can say four things about their products
>>
>> 1) They don't cut corners on hardware. Down to the pigtail, nothing but the 
>> best.
>>
>> 2) The software is powerful, flexible, and fully feature rich. (exception: 
>> does not do MPLS or OLSR for non-traditional routing needs)
>>
>> 3) BUT... the software slow to navigate and requires more system reboots for 
>> some reconfiguration changes to take effect, than some of their competitors 
>> do. This should be kept in mind when considering where appropriate to use 4 
>> port/link units. (managing one link/port can effect another link/port). 
>> Whether periodic 30 sec outages are OK or not, when reconfiguring.
>>
>> 4) The tech team is very eager to help, and improve their code, at 
>> customer's suggestions and requests.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios
>>
>>
>>> Just curious for anyone using these.  Can they be used for ptp shots
>>> (maybe with WDS), or do you need a different AP with this client?
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> Jason Hensley wrote:
 What new features are needed on the CPE?  I've dealt with a lot of their
 Ligowave radios and the only complaint I have is the speed of their
 interface, but I know they're working on that.



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 Behalf Of Robert Norris
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:24 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios

 Deliberant is a good product with outstanding support.
 Yes I just put so in the field so far they work fine like the 2300 radios
 do. They have lot more features then the old 2300 radios did. The new 
 units
 are the same thing as Ligowave gear or the Wiligear. They need to add a 
 few
 features to the OS but nothing manger.

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 Behalf Of John McDowell
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:27 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Deliberant radios

 ha...that is clever

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jason Hensley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:

> Hey guys.  Anyone used the new Deliberant radios (CPE's) yet?  I love
 their
> new marketing campaign on their site!!  Very effective!
>
> Wondering what feedback anyone might have with their new ones (the
> CPE-2's).
> Good, bad, ugly?  Thanks!
>
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Re: [WISPA] Direct Hit! ...NEED two Redline AN80s 5.4 and 5.8 ..FAST

[Harold Bledsoe]

John,

We have Ligowave PTPs available in GA at our warehouse (Concord, GA).
I think we also have a couple of integrated units in our office in ATL.
If you need for us to meet you somewhere in between we could do that
too.

-Hal

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Subject: [WISPA] Direct Hit! ...NEED two Redline AN80s 5.4 and
5.8 ..FAST
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:18:41 -0500

I just deployed my backup link and took a direct hit on a tower with two
Redline PTPs

Anybody have a Redline AN80i 5.4 and 5.8 in stock that I could drive to pick
up? I live in NE Alabama?

C. Wu, do you have anything in Atlanta?

Thanks,





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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

[Harold Bledsoe]

Right, Mike.  The FCC's thinking appears to be power density and not
just straight power.  This is why, with the same power, you will see
roughly a 3dB RX increase from cutting the channel size in half.

-Hal

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To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:33:56 -0500

I'm not an engineer, but from what I understand when you apply 20 dBm to 
channels of different widths, the same gross power is spread out. Each Hz 
receives less power in a wider channel.  This rule allows the larger 
channels to not face the power punishment.

Spectral efficiency has little to do with the channel width and more with 
the technology.  You can use an Atheros chipset to produce channel widths of 
5, 10, 20, and 40 MHz, but they all traffic roughly the same bits/Hz.

Squashing the entire band is something that'll happen when you're given such 
small bands and attempting to push big data over it.  That's where the 
contention requirements and synch of some kind come in to play.


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field


> The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule
> should have been the opposite. If you want high power then use narrow
> channels and become more spectrally efficient. I am going to try to get a
> little face time with Julie Knapp and see if he can explain to me how they
> got this so backward. Maximum channel sizes would have been a good thing
> also to stop someone from building a radio which could squash everyone out
> of the band in one sector  or omni alone. I am scared sometimes when I see
> what comes from those who are supposed to be the leaders of our country
> involving spectrum policy.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Mike Hammett 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width.  It's up to the FCC to certify
>> something for more than 20 MHz of channel space.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>>
>>
>> Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on
>> 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I 
>> read
>> on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your
>> base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations 
>> in
>> your area?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michiana Wireless, Inc.
>> John Buwa, President
>>
>> http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
>> 574-233-7170
>>
>> "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"
>>
>> *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of Charles Wu
>> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>> >
>> > That's a lot easier *SAID* than done...
>> >
>> > Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures
>> > those depending on the type of traffic)
>> >
>> > ---
>> > WiNOG Wireless Roadshows
>> > Coming to a City Near You
>> > http://www.winog.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of Jeff Booher
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:37 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar
>> > GPS
>> > settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues
>> > of
>> > interference.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jeff Booher
>> >
>> > Channel Manager, North America
>> > www.apertonet.com
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > 24/7: 206-455-4950
>> >
>> > This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>> > work
>> > product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review,
>> > reliance or
>> > distribution by others without express permission is strictly
>> > prohibited. If
>> > you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and
>> > delete all
>> > copies.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > >From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same
>> > >GPS
>> > sync, so a

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

[Harold Bledsoe]

They are made by the same company along with a Moto wimax cpe and a few
others...

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:54:18 -0500

The 300 looks like the Redline cpe

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Harold Bledsoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Which picture matches?
>
> http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html
>
> -Hal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 3-dB Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> To: 'WISPA General List' 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>  Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600
>
> Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to
> rebrand the product their own).
>
> What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer.  The PS and Case
> are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto.
>
> Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>
> Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is?
>
> http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82
>
> I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used?
>
>
> Randy
>
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
> > I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with
> > Aperto gear.  We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork
> to
> > become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list
> are).
> >
> > I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too
> me...
> > basically the too good to be true type thing.  Everyone else in the
> company
> > thought really the same thing.  Field testing, while not nearly as
> extensive
> > as others have done on this list (we are limited by the "tower location"
> > i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line
> of
> > sight at full modulation was no problem.  We were even getting 6Mb or so
> > through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away.  When
> I
> > try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects!
> >
> > We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the
> > company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international
> > market).  I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested.
> >
> > I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug
> 6th
> > to really grasp what this equipment can do.  So far I have been really
> > impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are
> > promising me is on its way out)
> >
> > Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of John McDowell
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
> >
> > Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if
> > you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> What about APs?
> >>
> >> John McDowell wrote:
> >>
> >> I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of
> 72.
> >> Sub $400.
> >>
> >> Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now
> >>
> > that
> >
> >> it is available. Have they come down at all?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
> >>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So, how much does this stuff cost?
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> John McDowell wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe it.
> >>
> >> Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax
> >>
> > 3.65.
> >
> >> Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held stead

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

[Harold Bledsoe]

Which picture matches?

http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: 3-dB Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600

Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to
rebrand the product their own).

What is going on is they are using the same manufacturer.  The PS and Case
are the same, beyond that everything on the inside is Aperto.

Trust me, I was very concerned about this when I was meeting with them.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo / Aperto collaboration is?

http://www.tranzeo.com/investors/press.php?id=82 

I wonder if that WAS a Tranzeo CPE you used?


Randy


3-dB Networks wrote:
> I think I mentioned last week that we were going to be doing testing with
> Aperto gear.  We were so impressed that we are finishing up the paperwork
to
> become a VAR for them (not sure if any of the other VAR's on the list
are).
>
> I've been a skeptic of 3.65 WiMAX since the day it was mentioned too me...
> basically the too good to be true type thing.  Everyone else in the
company
> thought really the same thing.  Field testing, while not nearly as
extensive
> as others have done on this list (we are limited by the "tower location"
> i.e. the roof of the building, we had to play with) but 5 miles near line
of
> sight at full modulation was no problem.  We were even getting 6Mb or so
> through our metal roof, with the sector pointing 180 degrees away.  When I
> try that with a 5.2GHz Canopy SM we are lucky if it connects!
>
> We were sold on Aperto by CPE cost, the EMS management system, and the
> company background (Aperto is one of the big players on the international
> market).  I'd be happy to shoot a quote to anyone that is interested.
>
> I'll be attending the technical training along with Dave Kennedy on Aug
6th
> to really grasp what this equipment can do.  So far I have been really
> impressed (but the Tranzeo looking CPE case has to go, which they are
> promising me is on its way out)
>
> Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of John McDowell
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>
> Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if
> you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> What about APs?
>>
>> John McDowell wrote:
>>
>> I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of
72.
>> Sub $400.
>>
>> Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now
>> 
> that
>   
>> it is available. Have they come down at all?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher
>> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> So, how much does this stuff cost?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> John McDowell wrote:
>>
>> I believe it.
>>
>> Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax
>> 
> 3.65.
>   
>> Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on
a
>> 1-story house.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan
>> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-).  I am
>> the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend
>> products to a client.  Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied.  Now
>> the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon.
>> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> At 08:52 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the
>> poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for
>> evaluating wimax, 10k a basestation suddenly isn't that bad with the
>> performance described.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>
>>
>>
>> Now this is a 180* of what others have told me, even others offering
>> traditional, D, and E products.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  Mike Cowan
>> Wireless Connections
>> A Division of ACC
>> 166 Milan Ave
>> Norwalk, OH  44857
>> 419-660-6100
>> 419-706-7348 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>

> 
>   
>> WISPA Wants You! J

Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps

[Harold Bledsoe]

When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than
just MHz that needs to be considered.  Some CPUs have multiple cores,
hardware accelerators, etc.  For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in
some of our products.  Here are some of the accelerators that it has:

-Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues
per port for QoS support

-Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues 

-Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and
TCP/IP/UDP checksum calculation 

-Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of
multiple packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP
checksum verification   

-Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and
RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication
with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm

All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can
perform other functions.  Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator)
can increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude.

-Hal
Ligowave

-Original Message-
From: Bo Ring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500

> Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it  
> has the
> slowest processor in MHZ?
>
> Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series  
> at 200
> or 400? They did specify on their report.
>
> Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it  
> gets so
> much better speed at slower Mhz?

While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is  
a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient  
chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific  
environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might  
remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC  
when Apple first moved to them.

Bo Ring
Account Manager
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515
16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585  
fax: 773.326.4641




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Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Fair enough.  All of our account sign-up forms have a required "Ok to
email" selection where there is no default and you must choose yes or
no.

https://store.ligowave.com/createaccount.aspx?

I guess this could be opt-in or opt-out depending on your view on
life.  :-)

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:00:23 -0500 (CDT)

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>No, really, we didn't harvest anyone's email from any mailing 
>lists.  We are very careful to only market to customers of our 
>companies (Deliberant, Ligowave, Wiligear, Wilibox) and have a very 
>simple removal and opt out policy that we honor.

The world has changed somewhat over the past few years.  While I 
appreciate your opt-out policy, I feel the need to ask...is your 
marketing list opt-in in the first place?  I am not "attacking" 
here, but just wanted a bit of clarification.  For me, most of my 
customers are on an opt-out list, but the first email sent to that 
list was one that was not marketing at all, but a note telling them 
that I planned to use the email they provided me for a marketing 
list.  That was how I handled it, but each company operates 
differently.

>I'm sure you all market to your customers in various ways, and we 
>do the same.  We are also a vendor member of WISPA.

Vendor membership offers a lot of nice "relaxations" of the "normal" 
posting policies.  I am not accusing you of such a thing, but wanted 
to clarify that vendor membership does not provide a license to 
harvest... (I know you didn't harvest list addresses...)





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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Harold Bledsoe]

I agree that CBP should not have been a requirement for the hardware.  A
"listen before you speak" protocol makes some bad assumptions about the
chances of a successful packet delivery.  For example, on a longer PTP
link, just because there is noise at the transmitter, it does not mean
that there is the same noise at the receiver.  On the other hand, there
may be a client that is trying to receive that is right next to the
transmitter, and it may not be detected by a listen-before-speak
protocol.

I do agree with a provision to mandate cooperation (although the
effectiveness or enforcement of this could be debated).  At least this
is encouraging parties to work together and in fact is usually in their
best interest to work together.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:53:53 -0500

Just to clarify my last post...

I was not supportive in all 50Mhz being allocated to "WiMax".
I was supportive in all 50Mhz being allocated without the contention 
protocol requirement,
So there would be 50 contiguous mhz for a common platform.
Not requiring contention base, still allows choice of platform and 
technology, it just doesn't restrict platforms, nor protect any..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message - 
From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


>I respectfully disagree.  In my opinion, any frequency that is tied to a
> particular standard by regulation will do nothing but stifle innovation
> in that band.
>
> -Hal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:14:48 -0500
>
> I would like to see WiMax approved for the entire 50 MHz and do away
> with the contention mechanism requirement for the upper 25 MHz as
> required under the rules. I know this is a flip-flop of position from
> our earlier position but frankly I see this as a god opportunity for
> WISPs to move up to the next level of reliability and scale. Many
> people are building in WiMax with success in the 3.5 to 3.8 GHz bands
> across the world. If WiMax were the standard for the 3650 band across
> 50 MHz then carriers could easily work together to band plan and move
> away from interference. With GPS sync the bands can be reused multiple
> times anyway. Sticking with one standard in this band just makes sense
> for us. It can be a "WISP band" if we do this. Spanking more out of
> 802.11 is old news and needs to be put to bed. It is time to use a
> real platform for scalable and reliable outdoor wireless broadband.
> WiMax is the path to this in 3.65 GHz. 802.22 will be the standard in
> the TV whitespaces (hopefully). It is time for us to standardize and
> use something better than repurposed WiFi.
> Scriv
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The energy level for backoff CAN be adjusted.
>>
>> The FCC says that NEITHER is acceptable, and even though the atheros
>> mechanism is just an "energy detection",  it will not be allowed.   This 
>> is
>> what I gathered from an assortment of emails on the topic, some of which
>> were from the FCC to someone wanting certification.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
>>
>>
>>> The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power
>>> level.  If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is
>>> activated at -82dBm.  Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy
>>> level (-62dBm).
>>>
>>> Although I agree that even -62dBm seems "fair".  It would be very useful
>>> to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the
>>> FCC's contention requirement.  If it is not the detection mechanism,
>>> then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism?
>>>
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> To: WISPA General List 

Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

[Harold Bledsoe]

No, really, we didn't harvest anyone's email from any mailing lists.  We
are very careful to only market to customers of our companies
(Deliberant, Ligowave, Wiligear, Wilibox) and have a very simple removal
and opt out policy that we honor.

I'm sure you all market to your customers in various ways, and we do the
same.  We are also a vendor member of WISPA.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Rogelio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:56:28 -0700


Ryan Langseth wrote:
> Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED],  i am fairly certain i did not 
> give them my address at any point.  I suspect it may have been harvested from 
> the list,  has anyone else seen a message from them today?

It's nothing an email to spamcop and a call to their ISP cannot fix. :)



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Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

[Harold Bledsoe]

We don't harvest from any mailing lists.  I will contact you
offlist.  :)

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Langseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:47:46 -0500

Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED],  i am fairly certain i did not 
give them my address at any point.  I suspect it may have been harvested from 
the list,  has anyone else seen a message from them today?

Ryan



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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Harold Bledsoe]

I respectfully disagree.  In my opinion, any frequency that is tied to a
particular standard by regulation will do nothing but stifle innovation
in that band.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:14:48 -0500

I would like to see WiMax approved for the entire 50 MHz and do away
with the contention mechanism requirement for the upper 25 MHz as
required under the rules. I know this is a flip-flop of position from
our earlier position but frankly I see this as a god opportunity for
WISPs to move up to the next level of reliability and scale. Many
people are building in WiMax with success in the 3.5 to 3.8 GHz bands
across the world. If WiMax were the standard for the 3650 band across
50 MHz then carriers could easily work together to band plan and move
away from interference. With GPS sync the bands can be reused multiple
times anyway. Sticking with one standard in this band just makes sense
for us. It can be a "WISP band" if we do this. Spanking more out of
802.11 is old news and needs to be put to bed. It is time to use a
real platform for scalable and reliable outdoor wireless broadband.
WiMax is the path to this in 3.65 GHz. 802.22 will be the standard in
the TV whitespaces (hopefully). It is time for us to standardize and
use something better than repurposed WiFi.
Scriv




On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The energy level for backoff CAN be adjusted.
>
> The FCC says that NEITHER is acceptable, and even though the atheros
> mechanism is just an "energy detection",  it will not be allowed.   This is
> what I gathered from an assortment of emails on the topic, some of which
> were from the FCC to someone wanting certification.
>
>
>
>
> ++++++++
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
>
>
>> The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power
>> level.  If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is
>> activated at -82dBm.  Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy
>> level (-62dBm).
>>
>> Although I agree that even -62dBm seems "fair".  It would be very useful
>> to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the
>> FCC's contention requirement.  If it is not the detection mechanism,
>> then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism?
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
>> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:31 -0700
>>
>> That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and
>> decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want.
>>
>> I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is
>> about,
>> but when it declares that 802.11 "does not detect dissimilar systems",
>> then
>> nothing can EVER be made to work.  After all, the whole "listen before
>> talk"
>> is AN RF ENERGY DETECTOR.If that doesn't work, nothing can.  Or, only
>> that device or mechanism the person passing judgement wants to promote
>> will
>> "work".
>>
>> We would spectulate who has bought this favor from the FCC, but in
>> reality,
>> it doesn't matter.  I predict NO equipment will be certified for the rest
>> of
>> the spectrum and it will be auctioned for big bucks to some large entity.
>> We'll still be in the same boat 2 years from now, with statements about
>> "we're watching the development of  with
>> interest".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:28 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
>>
>>
>>> Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is
>>> looking
>>> for, if there are any questions or comments feel free.
>>>
>>> Sincerely, Tony Morella
>>> Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
>>> Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
>>> http://www.demarctech.com
>>>
>>

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

[Harold Bledsoe]

The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power
level.  If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is
activated at -82dBm.  Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy
level (-62dBm).

Although I agree that even -62dBm seems "fair".  It would be very useful
to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the
FCC's contention requirement.  If it is not the detection mechanism,
then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism?

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:31 -0700

That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and 
decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want.

I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is about, 
but when it declares that 802.11 "does not detect dissimilar systems", then 
nothing can EVER be made to work.  After all, the whole "listen before talk" 
is AN RF ENERGY DETECTOR.If that doesn't work, nothing can.  Or, only 
that device or mechanism the person passing judgement wants to promote will 
"work".

We would spectulate who has bought this favor from the FCC, but in reality, 
it doesn't matter.  I predict NO equipment will be certified for the rest of 
the spectrum and it will be auctioned for big bucks to some large entity. 
We'll still be in the same boat 2 years from now, with statements about 
"we're watching the development of  with 
interest".







- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:28 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP


> Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is 
> looking
> for, if there are any questions or comments feel free.
>
> Sincerely, Tony Morella
> Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
> Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
> http://www.demarctech.com
>
>
> "Tony:
> Thank you for your inquiry.
>
> In the email you mentioned that several companies have obtained equipment
> authorization for operation in the lower 25 MHz of the 3650-3700 MHz band.
> This is correct. In the Commission's evaluation these devices met the
> requirements for restricted contention based protocol operation.  Thus all
> of these devices support contention based protocol, but they only support
> that for similar types of systems.  They do not provide for recognizing 
> and
> coexistence with other dissimilar systems.
>
> In order to obtain the authorization for the full 50 MHz operation the
> system has to demonstrate coexistence with different protocols.  At the
> present time the Commission reviews each application on its merit to
> determine if the system meets the requirements for such unrestricted
> operation. The Commission is monitoring the progress of IEEE 802.16h and
> 802.11y working groups in terms of their plans to extend their respective
> protocols to support coexistence.  We are encouraged by this development 
> and
> think that they are in the right direction.  However, it is not a
> precondition for authorization.  In the absence of any industry standard, 
> we
> treat each application on a case-by-case basis.  One of the tests we do
> apply is the co-existence analysis recommendation currently under review 
> by
> the 802.19 committee.  We would expect to see some simulation to show how
> the proposed system would behave in the presence of other systems, the
> back-off strategies employed and approaches to fair sharing mechanisms.
>
> Please let us know if you have further questions.
> Thank you,
> Rashmi Doshi, PhD
> Chief, FCC Laboratory Division"
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?

[Harold Bledsoe]

But that's the million dollar question.  Will the FCC approve it if it
is not 802.11y?  I read somewhere that the FCC was waiting for 802.11y
to be approved before authorizing equipment in the upper part of the
3.65 band.

Otherwise, yes it is technically possible to implement this with atheros
based on energy detection threshold.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:15:17 -0400

We are looking into this now, it looks like it can all me done in the
MAC/HAL the way the spec is done but it's still a wait and see.  We are
looking at ways to do more of a pre-802.11y, as long as it passes the FCC
muster we are good.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?

A friend and I are looking into the future of 802.11y as well as vendors 
who support it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this in either of these two areas?




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Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

[Harold Bledsoe]

This is our approach too.  We put internal surge protectors on our
products (either separate modules or on the radio board) simply because
some people don't use external protectors.  There is some increase in
cost for this, but it is offset by fewer RMAs.

My guess is that this is what Moto is thinking too?  For those who run
naked, the internal protection will increase reliability and decrease
RMA/repair costs.  I second Gino's suggestion to add external protection
as well, especially if the internal module is not field-replaceable.

-Hal
-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:08:19 -0400

Put an external surge suppressor to protect the internal one ...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

Biggest disadvantage to the PTP500 is that the surge suppression is
built in unlike all other Moto PTP (formerly Orthogon) models where the
"transector" or surge arrestor is external. With the 500 model if you
blow the surge suppression you are out a radio until you can get Moto to
replace it (as I understand it). Love the PTP series though. That is all
we use for our backhauls.

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

Ohh, well then take a look at the new motorola PTP500,

It can go up to 105 Mbps in a 15 mhz channel, pps processing is over 10k
pps
Multiple units can be synced with gps for spectrum reuse, it would auto
select the cleanest channel to operate in and many other goodies

This are the best backhaul radios out there IMHO

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

Actually, for the non-900MHz units, we are talking PTP, not PTMP.   
Using these for backhaul mostly.

Thank you,
Zak Wolfinger
IT Director - Cyberlink
888-293-3693 Ext 4357







On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

> If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here  
> (ptmp
> assumed) please let me know.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Zachery Wolfinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
>
>
>> Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6
>> years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors.
>> Who do you all suggest for:
>>
>> Unlicensed
>> 60+ Mbps
>> up to 25 mile links
>> 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter  
>> links)
>> same vendor should also offer  a 900MHz solution for neighborhood
>> coverage (2-3 mile radius)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Zak Wolfinger
>> IT Director - Cyberlink
>> 888-293-3693 Ext 4357
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

[Harold Bledsoe]

The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel.  We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel.
The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to
improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better
2-way traffic handling, among other things.

70Mbps over distance (and higher) is possible with MIMO technologies in
a 20MHz channel though.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:52 -0400

I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel 
maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the
cpu power and if you have enough fade margin 

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

Ligowave is real close.  2.4, 5.8 in the same box.  900MHz solution.
70MBps
PtP, but not sure distance on that.  5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon
from
what I hear but don't know that for sure.  

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp
assumed) please let me know.
- Original Message -
From: "Zachery Wolfinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions


> Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 
> years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors.
> Who do you all suggest for:
>
> Unlicensed
> 60+ Mbps
> up to 25 mile links
> 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links)

> same vendor should also offer  a 900MHz solution for neighborhood 
> coverage (2-3 mile radius)
>
> Thank you,
> Zak Wolfinger
> IT Director - Cyberlink
> 888-293-3693 Ext 4357
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'm not trying to make things more complicated, but the tool used to
test is also very important.  For example, if you use a BW test tool
that pumps compressible data into a wireless link that has compression
turned on, then you might get misleading results.

IMO, if you are showing your best results, then full packets are OK but
the packet fill should be random or at least consistent across the test
platforms.  You also, need to know what the results are showing you from
the test.  An example is Atlas's built-in test tool that reports in the
manual that:

"Throughput numbers represent the absolute maximum bi-directional
capacity including the management header (which is not available for
user payload) so actual user throughput measurements will be slightly
less."

I am not saying that this is good or bad, just that it should be a
factor in comparisons (as is the case with any benchmark testing).

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:31:42 -0700

OK, here are some real world examples:

5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles.   WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless 
Antennas.50meg one way.
5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless 
Antennas.   45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s)
5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves 
Antennas.18meg one way.
FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db 
Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 
5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db 
MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless  30 down, 30 up

for comparison:  Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg 
down, 3 up

We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the 
optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one 
direction.  Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to 
an RB532) nearly doubles the speed.

On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that 
will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul.   

Matt Larsen
Inventive Media


Mark Nash wrote:
> 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles.   WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. 
> Testing beyond each ethernet port.  2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we 
> installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way.  The MRTG graph 
> looked like a solid block without any deviation.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>
>
>   
>> I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both
>> sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets 
>> get
>> real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe"
>> if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg.
>>
>> I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test 
>> or
>> are you in the real WISP world? :)
>>
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>>
>>> 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...
>>>
>>> Dennis M. Burgess
>>> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
>>> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
>>> --WISP/Network Support Services--
>>> +1 314-686-1302
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>>
>>> Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>   




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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Harold Bledsoe]

Yes, and our system is built off of a customized version of this
software.

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jory Privett
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

Doesn't WiliBox have something like this also??

Jory Privett
WCCS

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??


>I understand that Ruckus is going to release a mesh system. I have not 
>heard when, but I believed it to be soon.
>
> Tim
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??
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>> You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen
>> anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else
>> exists.
>>
>> On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
>>> Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
>>> cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
>>> will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
>>> any other companies offering products along this line?
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Anthony:

We offer a 2-radio and 3-radio mesh product based on a proprietary L2
mesh.  It takes into account wireless datarates, node loads, position,
etc. and was built specifically for wireless mesh networks.  There are
many advantages of L2 meshes over L3 meshes.  Our mesh products also
offer QoS across the mesh end-to-end.

Here are the datasheets for the products:

http://www.ligowave.com/landing/specs/LGOM2AGN.pdf
http://www.ligowave.com/landing/specs/LGOM3AGN.pdf

These are available from Deliberant and from DoubleRadius as well.

Let me know if you have any questions!

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what 
Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low 
cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you 
will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there 
any other companies offering products along this line?

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RE: [WISPA] XR 9 cards

[Harold Bledsoe]

They are not.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:29 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] XR 9 cards

Seeing as the SR9 cards were not compatible with the Tranzeo TR900
series
and these XR9 cards are not compatible with the SR9 cards, does that
mean
the XR9 cards are compatible with TR900s?

SR9 <> TR900
XR9 <> SR9 
XR9 = TR900 :)

Can anyone comment on this?

ryan

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Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:30 AM
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>From an email I received earlier, Chuck at QuickLink says they aren't
compatible.

===
Hello:

Ubiquiti announced the release of the XR9.  I can tell you from personal
experience in our beta testing phase with Ubiquiti that these cards do
perform better than the SR9.  However, they are not cross-compatible
with
the SR9.  Ubiquiti's announcement is below:

Introducing the first carrier class modular radio for the 900MHz
unlicensed
band. The XR9 utilizes an advanced noise immunity radio architecture
developed by Ubiquiti RF engineers through their customer interactions
and
field testing over the past two years.

The XR9 enables links at speeds and distances never before seen in a
900MHz
radio and is designed to operate in the harshest of environmental and
noise
conditions where other 900MHz have
solutions failed.

[Sales blurb trimmed.]

Chuck Hogg
QuickLink Wireless, LLC
(800) 405-9865
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.quicklinkwireless.com
===



Thanks,

Russ Kreigh
Network Engineer
OnlyInternet.Net Broadband & Wireless
Supernova Technologies
Office: (800) 363-0989
Direct: (260) 827-2486
Fax:(260) 824-9624
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Behalf Of Ray & Jean Hill
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:21 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] XR 9 cards


We are currently using the SR9 cards, if our router is setup to use the
SR9
cards, can we also use the XR9 cards? We have a few customers that could
use
the features that are on the XR9. Really dont want to redo the whole
setup
for a few customers who hear noise every now and again.
Thanks for your help!
Jean Hill
Surfmore.Net




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RE: [WISPA] Radio choices

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have a new unit out this week that is based on Wilibox software.  It
can do everything you want except PPPoE.  Can you do PPPoE concentration
further upstream or put a wired box at the site for this function?

Virtual AP, Hotspot, WPA/2 PSK and Radius, etc. are all options for the
AP platform otherwise.

-Hal

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Radio choices

I am getting ready to expand my network by adding a couple of new
towers. The decision I am trying to make is what equipment to buy. My
plan was to use Mikrotik for a BH/AP, but with all the certification
talk, I am looking in different directions. I am looking for the
following features.

 

PPPoE at the AP

Virtual AP

Hotspot

 

These are the basics. I run my clients with PPPoe and have a virtualAP
setup as a hotspot to catch people passing through. Any one know of
certified equipment that is as flexible as Mikrotik? Have looked at
Deliberant but don't know if it can do the VAP and hotspot.

 

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.



 

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RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

[Harold Bledsoe]

I am not a personal fan of PPPoE as I consider it just another layer of
complexity and failure for the network.  A lot of people use it in the
US for user authentication and control though.

If I were starting out new, I would consider other alternatives to these
two problems.  For wireless client isolation, many APs on the market now
(and that have been on the market) support this feature.  Linux-based
devices with MAC filtering rules (e.g. ebtables) can use a simple rule
to check if the destination MAC is the gateway (if so, pass it) or not
(don't pass it).

For the user authentication and control via radius, you can look at
certificate-based, username/password-based, etc. that are all based on
standards and are much more secure.  If you APs support VSSIDs, then you
can run a combination of these on one AP.  :-)

-Hal

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

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404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:05 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE 
concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big 
advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for 
authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their

own individual subnet so that they are all routed back to your PPPoE 
concentrator / router in your office. I would think this would address 
many of the client to client radio traffic concerns of CALEA without 
changing any APs. Isn't this a fix for that one concern? Does that make 
sense? If not then why not?

I like the idea of easily managing my accounts for turning them on or 
off for non-payment  and automatically setting bandwidth rules. I use 
Radius in a big way for my existing dialup customer base and this sounds

like the berries to me. I welcome other thoughts from those who are 
using or considering using PPPoE or similar techniques. Any alternatives

which work better?

Happy Easter guys and gals,
Scriv

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RE: [WISPA] Equipment Leasing

[Harold Bledsoe]

Here is a calculator you can use...

https://www.marlinleasing.com/marlin/enduser/quotecalculator.asp

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deliberant.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 11:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Equipment Leasing

Can anyone provide me with figures to use in a business plan for
equipment leasing ?

Using Tranzeo / Trango so far, will switch to Mikrotik based setups on
900 mhz / 5.8 ghz and continue to use Tranzeo and Ruckus Wireless CPE's
for 2.4

I need examples on what costs look like - per sub / per unit - package
pricing, etc.

I'll keep 'em to myself if you send 'em offlist...

Thanks

R

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RE: [WISPA] Getting the sticker.

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Rick:

1.  a yagi of equal or higher gain has to be on the module
certification.  If it is not, contact the module vendor to get it added.
2.  for your combination, submit to a lab to get a DoC.  You will need a
new DoC for every SBC/module/enclosure combination.
3.  Your sticker has to have some information on it with respect to the
module inside and the DoC compliance.  I'll have to look that up.

-Hal

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Getting the sticker.

Anyone understand the full process of getting something certified at the
FCC
?
 
I.e. I'd like to send in an RB112 with SR9, pigtail, LMR jumper, and Pac
Wireless 
Yagi to get certified as a combination.   And, every other combination I
use.
 
As I understand the rules, that would allow me to call that combination
legal,
as well as giving it a separate "product name" that I (or anyone I
subcontracted)
could resell it as, and then put this "sticker conscious" crap to
silence.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Yes, that is correct.  Due to output power, you are limited somewhat
(e.g. 9dBi omni). 

-Hal

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

Harold,
As with your other products, this is certified with the FCC with your 
antennas, correct?
Thanks,
Scriv


Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>Actually we have recently added an LNA to this product that boosts the
>receive sensitivity to -91 @ 11Mbps (same as the DLB25xx).  We haven't
>had time to update all the product docs yet but will hopefully get to
it
>today or tomorrow.
>
>-Hal
>
>Harold Bledsoe
>Deliberant LLC
>
>800.742.9865 x205 (office)
>404.693.0660 (cell)
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.deliberant.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:58 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
>Subject: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have to put in a system that'll do 17 miles ptp.  I can do it today
>with a 
>500mw amp and 8dB omni.
>
>Anyone used one of these?
>http://www.gnswireless.com/DLB2700.htm
>
>Is there any receive gain on them?  If it's only -80ish receive
>sensitivity 
>it won't be able to do the same range as a standard radio/amp combo.
>
>I am space limited at that tower site so this would be a nice solution
>that 
>would allow me to gain back quite a bit of room.  But whatever I put in
>has 
>to work with my existing customers at that site.
>
>thoughts?
>marlon
>
>  
>
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RE: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

[Harold Bledsoe]

Actually we have recently added an LNA to this product that boosts the
receive sensitivity to -91 @ 11Mbps (same as the DLB25xx).  We haven't
had time to update all the product docs yet but will hopefully get to it
today or tomorrow.

-Hal

Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205 (office)
404.693.0660 (cell)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deliberant.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [WISPA] anyone used high powered deliberant?

Hi All,

I have to put in a system that'll do 17 miles ptp.  I can do it today
with a 
500mw amp and 8dB omni.

Anyone used one of these?
http://www.gnswireless.com/DLB2700.htm

Is there any receive gain on them?  If it's only -80ish receive
sensitivity 
it won't be able to do the same range as a standard radio/amp combo.

I am space limited at that tower site so this would be a nice solution
that 
would allow me to gain back quite a bit of room.  But whatever I put in
has 
to work with my existing customers at that site.

thoughts?
marlon

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RE: [WISPA] OTARD

[Harold Bledsoe]

Fascinating.  I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and
not base station devices.

-Hal
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OTARD

 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE
OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES.   Found that Massport's
restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by
the OTARD rules and therefore granted  Continental's  petition. (Dkt No.
05-247). Action by:  the Commission. Adopted:  10/17/2006 by MO&O. (FCC
No. 06-157).  OET
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.txt>

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[WISPA] 60GHz radio trial

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi guys,

 

Disclaimer:  This is not a sales call, as I am not
selling this product.  :-)

 

Now, to business.  I need someone to do a 3-month trial
with a pair of 60GHz, 100Mbps full-duplex radios (PtP).  I need the link
to be <500m.  This is a 3-month trial and you are required to give feedback
(and return the units or buy them) at the end of the trial.  The place I had
planned to deploy this unit in for evaluation did not work out so now I am
looking for a new one.

 

Anyone?  Anyone? 

 

Oh I guess I should mention that you have to put up with me
for a day or so for the installation.  :-P

 

-Hal

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LLC

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RE: [WISPA] lightning

[Harold Bledsoe]

I have a friend that is a tech for VZ and goes around replacing cell
gear hit by lightning.  Even with the protection that VZ puts on their
equipment, grounding, surge arrestors, etc., let's just say he gets a
lot of overtime during the summer.  ;-)  No matter what you do to try to
protect the gear, you will still see some failures.  Of course, those
failures can be reduced by adding surge protection.

I think you have to look at the numbers to see if they work for you.  If
you can estimate your failure rate and the cost each failure costs, then
you can compare with the $30~50 more you will spend to try to protect
it.  Also, you can compare the cost to the cost of a radio that has
built-in surge protection (usually a few $$ more to pay for the
protection device).  If the numbers work out, then add the protection.
If it does not, then don't.

Of course there is also the health aspect I suppose...  ;-)

-Hal
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning

Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be
interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning)
experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year
due to lightning.
We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the
outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an approved
earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken any
direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO,
owning a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so
prone to damage caused by lightning.

BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates
with the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips,
tricks and wisdom.

Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE
installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 - $20
per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection
compare with installations where there is none?


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"
http://www.KyWiFi.com
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$14.99 Home Phone Service
$19.99 All Digital Satellite TV
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- FREE Activation & Equipment
- Affordable Upfront Pricing
- Locally Owned & Operated
- We Also Service Most Rural Areas
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- Original Message -
From: "Brent Hegerfeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning


Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months.  Knocked a
backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1
week),
another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.  I'm told the
probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low.  Let's hope.

Brent Hegerfeld
East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning

We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential
subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts.
If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from
their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions.
As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The
added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out
by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur.


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
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- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning


If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a
rock
etc.) then 
it's your problem to deal with.

The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-).

I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any

RE: [WISPA] asset mgmt

[Harold Bledsoe]

Ditto on the in-house thing.  It seemed to be as much work to integrate
as it was to just do what we actually wanted.  :-)

-Hal


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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] asset mgmt

chris cooper wrote:
> Im sure some of you have many devices to manage/track.  What packages 
> are people using for asset management?

We've tried a couple "off the shelf" inventory systems, but most of them
are too complicated in all the wrong places. The problem is, of course,
that they try to do everything that everyone could want, and thus
include a lot of extraneous/irrelevant features, and to use the features
you DO need, you have to find them in the middle of everything else.

(As an aside, if anyone needs a couple of handheld barcode scanners, I
may be able to hook you up...)

We're presently using an in-house inventory system, that I'm still in
the middle of writing. It doesn't have all the complex features, but it
does just about everything we need (and the rest should be done fairly
soon). As a bonus, it integrates fairly well with our billing system.
Not everyone has a programmer in-house, but if you do, that's probably
the best bet - you know you'll get something suited well to your needs.

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

[Harold Bledsoe]

Did you try both antenna ports?  On the two that connected, were
the signals 12 to 14dB lower on both sides of the link?

 

-Hal



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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...





 

This afternoon I removed the Prism card and installed MT on a WRAP
and the WLM54G. I currently only have 4 customers on it and only 2 reconnected.
Signals where 12 to 14 db weaker than the Prism. I decided after much
frustration to put the CM-9 in its place. All the subs connected almost
immediately with signals similar to the 200mW Prism….

 









From:
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Bledsoe
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...



 

We are currently using both of the Compex cards you mention
below with Wilibox software and are happy with the performance.  Also, we
have both of the cards in stock now.

 

I think you will find the 54AG similar to the CM9 and the 54G
has a little extra power to make it a bit further.  The receive
sensitivities are comparable.

 

-Hal



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From:
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McElvy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:38 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...





 

I
am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to Mikrotik but
am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating are the
CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9’s  in 5.8 for my backhauls
and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism radios
(2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern with them
is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few people say they
have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the R52, seems
similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there is no US
distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and
RMA’s.

 

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 

 




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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

[Harold Bledsoe]

We have had a couple of cables that have shown link lights and passed
data sporadically.  We replaced the cable and it worked fine after that.
The cable did NOT pass the tester though.  :-)

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

Oh, I was thinking re transmitions.  Like lost or bad or partial packets
or something...DOH!

The answer.  1 cable.  POE port to POE injector.
Cable test to be preformed in a could hours.

Brian

Paul Hendry wrote:

>When I say re-terminations I mean do you have a single cat5 cable from 
>PoE injector to RB532 or do you use any fly leads. Also, do you 
>terminate the outdoor cat5 to a connector on the AP then a further 
>internal short cat5 to the RB532?
>
>  
>
>>>Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power injector

>>>and the RB532?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Where do I find this info?
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>Sent: 13 September 2006 13:25
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies
>
>
>
>Paul Hendry wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Have you tried just using a different PSU with higher voltage and 
>>higher ampage?
>>
>>
>>
>yes.  I actually even set up a second test link on the ground with the 
>"bad" board I just took down.  I tested with an extra 11 foot of cat5 
>five on my ground test (276, not the 265 in the air).
>The ethernet link was fine.  Bandwidth test showed me sending 24mb 
>(laptop cpu maxed) vs the 3mb I can send at the tower site.  I can 
>receive 14mb (RB cpu maxed) vs the 5mb I get at the tower site.
>I have a fancy cable tester coming from a guy I know.  We'll see what 
>it finds.
>
>  
>
>>Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power injector 
>>and the RB532?
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>Where do I find this info?
>
>Brian
>
>  
>
>>P.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>>Sent: 12 September 2006 17:51
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies
>>
>>So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power 
>>side of things?
>>I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.
>>
>>Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
>>confirm power first.
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
>>>I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
>>>I'm seeing weirdness.
>>>
>>>Do I have enough "juice"
>>>
>>>Brian
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

[Harold Bledsoe]

We are currently using both of the Compex cards you mention
below with Wilibox software and are happy with the performance.  Also, we have
both of the cards in stock now.

 

I think you will find the 54AG similar to the CM9 and the 54G
has a little extra power to make it a bit further.  The receive sensitivities
are comparable.

 

-Hal



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Deliberant LLC

800.742.9865 x205

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

http://www.deliberant.com







From:
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McElvy
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:38 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...





 

I
am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to Mikrotik but
am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating are the
CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9’s  in 5.8 for my backhauls
and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism radios
(2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern with them
is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few people say they
have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the R52, seems
similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there is no US
distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and
RMA’s.

 

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

[Harold Bledsoe]

I would check the terminations and maybe re-terminate them, especially
if you have verified with a new cable that it works ok.

-Hal


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

Yes, ethernet is shielded.  The good stuff.  It's like almost 1/2 inch
cat5.

The tower has pagers, lots of trango, few backhauls, canopy 900, and 
some more I believe.  The only thing up with me is some trango, and they

have no problem.  I am pointing at a bad cable.

Brian

Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>The 800 to 1300mA consumption is at 3.3V.  The 700mA from the PS is at
>48V so there is probably plenty of power going to it.
>
>Is the CAT5 shielded?  What else is on the tower?
>
>-Hal
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Mark McElvy
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:20 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies
>
>I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption
>on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power
supply
>is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would
>think you would need at least a 3A supply. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies
>
>So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side

>of things?
>I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.
>
>Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
>confirm power first.
>
>Brian
>
>Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
>>I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
>>I'm seeing weirdness.
>>
>>Do I have enough "juice"
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>
>
>  
>
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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

[Harold Bledsoe]

The 800 to 1300mA consumption is at 3.3V.  The 700mA from the PS is at
48V so there is probably plenty of power going to it.

Is the CAT5 shielded?  What else is on the tower?

-Hal


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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption
on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply
is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would
think you would need at least a 3A supply. 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side 
of things?
I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
confirm power first.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

> I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
> I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
> I'm seeing weirdness.
>
> Do I have enough "juice"
>
> Brian

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RE: [WISPA] RE: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant asWISPAsNewest VendorMember

[Harold Bledsoe]

Thanks for all the warm welcomes!  :-)  I'm happy to be here!

-Hal


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asWISPAsNewest VendorMember

Welcome Harold! (and Deliberant Wireless)

Good to have you here on list with us.

Now let's see what kind of specials you have running :)

Mac Dearman






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WISPAsNewest VendorMember

Hal,

Yay! You are a welcome addition to the list.

Regards,
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JohnnyO wrote:

>Welcome aboard Harold - Very glad to see you here. Looking forward to
>your participation.
>
>Warm Regards,
>
>JohnnyO !
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner
>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:08 AM
>To: advertisements@wispa.org
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [WISPA Advertisement] Welcome Deliberant as WISPAs Newest
>VendorMember
>
>
>  I want to take a moment of your time to introduce you to Deliberant 
>http://www.deliberant.com/. They are WISPA's newest Vendor Member. I 
>spoke a few times with Harold Bledsoe of Deliberant and he is excited 
>about the opportunities for his company to work with WISPA and all our 
>members to help us promote and improve the WISP industry. I asked
Harold
>
>to send us all some introductory information about Deliberant and this 
>is what he had to say:
>
>Deliberant LLC, is one of the fastest growing wireless technology 
>manufacturers and distributors in the world. Deliberant offers a 
>complete line of dependable high-speed wireless equipment and 
>accessories.  Headquartered in Atlanta, GA and serving WISPs in over 25

>countries, Deliberant has been providing WISPs with the proven 
>technology and the expertise they need to stay ahead of the
competition.
> 
>
>Deliberant offers a wide range of products that are focused on the WISP

>industry. These products range from accessories (such as surge 
>protectors, pigtails, power adapters, etc.) to antennas to wireless 
>indoor and outdoor radios. Deliberant also has recently added advanced 
>software and VoIP products to its lineup in order to better serve the 
>WISP market. Deliberant is constantly looking for new products to offer

>the WISP community and will continue to be on the cutting edge of 
>technologies in order to ensure that customers have the very best on
the
>
>market
>
>
>Deliberant owes its success to the commitment to provide the WISP 
>industry with the highest quality and value in products and backing 
>those products with exceptional customer support and business partner 
>collaboration.
>
>Harold Bledsoe
>
>Deliberant LLC
>
>800.742.9865 x205
>
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>
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RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Harold Bledsoe]

I can answer some of these...

It looks like a Zinwell B191 RTL8181 with a Citel indoor surge
protector.

-Hal

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

Looks good. What radio are you using with what looks to be a Realtek 
SoC? Is that
a PoE splitter, a surge supressor, or both? How long is that RF pigtail?

Jeromie

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

> I take a self tapper and run it out the bottom of my metal box, attach

> a #12 piggy tail, and attach the other end through a hole on the 
> board.  Kind of like the attached pic.  Should work, eh?
>
> Brian
>
> Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>
>> One word to the wise on these:  many PCBs are grounded through the 
>> screw holes.  If you are using plastic standoffs, you may want to 
>> consider grounding the board some other way...
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>> --
>> Harold Bledsoe
>> Deliberant Wireless
>> http://www.deliberant.com
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Nash
>> Sent: Fri 8/25/2006 1:04 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll take some... Catch me offlist.
>>
>> Mark
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:21:57
>> To:Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
>> ,   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>>
>>
https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupport&fam=
cbhardware 
>>
>>
>> They have them in stock now.  I remember there was some talk about
these
>> a while ago.
>> $50 min order so I just got 400 or so of the self adhesive PCB
supports.
>> I got the 5/8 standoff (should be able to fit the cards under the 
>> board too)
>>
>> I don't need 400, so if anyone wants a few, let me know.
>>
>> Otherwise, just letting ya'll know they are in stock.
>>
>> www.microplastics.com
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RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Harold Bledsoe]

Perfect! :-)

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

I take a self tapper and run it out the bottom of my metal box, attach a

#12 piggy tail, and attach the other end through a hole on the board.  
Kind of like the attached pic.  Should work, eh?

Brian

Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>One word to the wise on these:  many PCBs are grounded through the
screw holes.  If you are using plastic standoffs, you may want to
consider grounding the board some other way...
> 
>-Hal
> 
>------
>Harold Bledsoe
>Deliberant Wireless
>http://www.deliberant.com
>
>
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Nash
>Sent: Fri 8/25/2006 1:04 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>
>
>
>I'll take some... Catch me offlist.
>
>Mark
>-Original Message-
>From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:21:57
>To:Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
,   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik
>
>https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupport&fam
=cbhardware
>
>They have them in stock now.  I remember there was some talk about
these
>a while ago.
>$50 min order so I just got 400 or so of the self adhesive PCB
supports.
>I got the 5/8 standoff (should be able to fit the cards under the board
too)
>
>I don't need 400, so if anyone wants a few, let me know.
>
>Otherwise, just letting ya'll know they are in stock.
>
>www.microplastics.com
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RE: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Harold Bledsoe]

One word to the wise on these:  many PCBs are grounded through the screw holes. 
 If you are using plastic standoffs, you may want to consider grounding the 
board some other way...
 
-Hal
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Nash
Sent: Fri 8/25/2006 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik



I'll take some... Catch me offlist.

Mark
-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:21:57
To:Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization ,   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupport&fam=cbhardware

They have them in stock now.  I remember there was some talk about these
a while ago.
$50 min order so I just got 400 or so of the self adhesive PCB supports.
I got the 5/8 standoff (should be able to fit the cards under the board too)

I don't need 400, so if anyone wants a few, let me know.

Otherwise, just letting ya'll know they are in stock.

www.microplastics.com
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RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

[Harold Bledsoe]

John,

The following security options are available for WDS:

WEP64
WEP128
WPA (TKIP)
WPA2 (AES)

Let me know if you have any other questions.  We use these at our
hotspots and apartment community deployments as well.  They are PoE
enabled and include the power supply and injector.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

Harold,
One more question for you on your APs. I see they support WPA, WPA2 TKIP

and AES as well as WDS. Can you tell me if your radios will support WPA 
and WPA2 over WDS? Many radios support one or the other (WPA / WDS) but 
not both at the same time. I will be needing both at once for my hotspot

uses.
Thanks,
Scriv


Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>The one thing I would note about many of the "roll your own" systems is
>that typically they consist of a certified module (mPCI card) and a
>single board computer.  As long as you stick to single radio setups,
>then typically the only thing required is a Declaration of Conformity
>(unintentional radiator testing).  This is quite a bit cheaper than a
>full certification that has both the intentional and unintentional
>radiator tests.  That said, it *does* require the certified module to
>have been certified with a wide range of antennas, which is not
commonly
>done today.
>
>Oh, and consider our horn tooted.  :-)
>
>-Hal
>
>--
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>Deliberant LLC
>http://www.deliberant.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of George Rogato
>Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:06 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..
>
>One reason the non certified manufacturers are not certifying their 
>equipment is because of the changes that take place in such short time 
>periods.
>
>To certify a system, the radio card, the antenna AND "the board" which 
>drives the card has to be certified together as a complete system.
>
>The roll your own non certified equipment changes very fast. It's
always
>
>a newer faster board or a newer better card. Just a few months ago the 
>CM9 was the rage of Atheros, now seems like the WLMG54 is popular. 
>couple months ago wraps were the ticket and now it's war boards..
>
>I don't think it's likely to see too many certifying systems under
these
>
>conditions. But I'm sure they could easily be certified. it just takes 
>money.
>
>George
>
>
>
>Matt Liotta wrote:
>  
>
>>Jack Unger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>First, our "small group" can certainly influence manufacturers. The 
>>>voice of an industry trade organization (which is what we are)
>>>  
>>>
>carries 
>  
>
>>>a lot of weight if we simply decide to use that voice to speak out. 
>>>Only if we say nothing, will our voice carry no weight. In that case,
>>>  
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>we might as well cease to exist.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>We can influence manufacturers by explaining what we want them to 
>>produce and if they produce it we will buy it. Take for example the 
>>whole thread on MTU size, which seemed to get at least one manufacture
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>to take notice. That however is because they could actually lose sales
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>if they don't pay attention to our needs. I personally don't see any 
>>benefit provided by current non-certified gear, so its not like I will
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>start buying the gear if it was certified. Therefore, what incentive 
>>would such a manufacture have knowing my position? I guess a better 
>>question is what benefit does non-certified gear have over certified 
>>gear? I personally don't see the benefit, so why waste time trying to 
>>convince the manufacture to certify it?
>>
>>
>>>Second, I'd venture a guess that many WISPA members DO sometimes buy 
>>>non-certified equipment. We can't make a blanket statement that all 
>>>WISPA members buy only certified equipment. Even if it were true that
>>>  
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>all WISPA members bought only certified equipment (and I'll bet you a
>>>  
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>steak dinner that it's not true) what about all the other WISPs and 
>>>WISP-industry providers who are on our mailing lists and who are 
>>>influenced by what we say and do? Is it WISPA's jo

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi John:

The original certification for the DLB2350 was done by Zinwell.

It was certified with a 3/6/9 dipole antenna and the certification for
it may be found here:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?
mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=779537
&fcc_id='RIW-ZWA-G192-OD'

I'll hit you offlist to discuss membership.

Thanks,
-Hal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

Harold,
You have peaked my interest. I see no mention of FCC certs for different

radios and antenna on your site. If I were to buy a DLB2350 and add a 
2.4G 9dBi Rubber Ducky (RPSMA) would I have something you guys have had 
certified? Is there a place on your site that says what combinations of 
antenna and radios have certs with the FCC? I am not just asking for the

heck of it I am actually looking for a lower cost solution with WPA2 for

Hotspot deployment in Enterprises like schools and this may well be the 
best option for the money I have seen thus far if it is actually
certified.
Thank you,
John Scrivner

PS. Is Deliberant thinking of joining WISPA? If you need help with your 
decision feel free to hit me offlist.
 

Harold Bledsoe wrote:

>The one thing I would note about many of the "roll your own" systems is
>that typically they consist of a certified module (mPCI card) and a
>single board computer.  As long as you stick to single radio setups,
>then typically the only thing required is a Declaration of Conformity
>(unintentional radiator testing).  This is quite a bit cheaper than a
>full certification that has both the intentional and unintentional
>radiator tests.  That said, it *does* require the certified module to
>have been certified with a wide range of antennas, which is not
commonly
>done today.
>
>Oh, and consider our horn tooted.  :-)
>
>-Hal
>
>--
>Harold Bledsoe
>Deliberant LLC
>http://www.deliberant.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of George Rogato
>Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:06 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..
>
>One reason the non certified manufacturers are not certifying their 
>equipment is because of the changes that take place in such short time 
>periods.
>
>To certify a system, the radio card, the antenna AND "the board" which 
>drives the card has to be certified together as a complete system.
>
>The roll your own non certified equipment changes very fast. It's
always
>
>a newer faster board or a newer better card. Just a few months ago the 
>CM9 was the rage of Atheros, now seems like the WLMG54 is popular. 
>couple months ago wraps were the ticket and now it's war boards..
>
>I don't think it's likely to see too many certifying systems under
these
>
>conditions. But I'm sure they could easily be certified. it just takes 
>money.
>
>George
>
>
>
>Matt Liotta wrote:
>  
>
>>Jack Unger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>First, our "small group" can certainly influence manufacturers. The 
>>>voice of an industry trade organization (which is what we are)
>>>  
>>>
>carries 
>  
>
>>>a lot of weight if we simply decide to use that voice to speak out. 
>>>Only if we say nothing, will our voice carry no weight. In that case,
>>>  
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>we might as well cease to exist.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>We can influence manufacturers by explaining what we want them to 
>>produce and if they produce it we will buy it. Take for example the 
>>whole thread on MTU size, which seemed to get at least one manufacture
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>to take notice. That however is because they could actually lose sales
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>if they don't pay attention to our needs. I personally don't see any 
>>benefit provided by current non-certified gear, so its not like I will
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>start buying the gear if it was certified. Therefore, what incentive 
>>would such a manufacture have knowing my position? I guess a better 
>>question is what benefit does non-certified gear have over certified 
>>gear? I personally don't see the benefit, so why waste time trying to 
>>convince the manufacture to certify it?
>>
>>
>>>Second, I'd venture a guess that many WISPA members DO sometimes buy 
>>>non-certified equi

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

[Harold Bledsoe]

The one thing I would note about many of the "roll your own" systems is
that typically they consist of a certified module (mPCI card) and a
single board computer.  As long as you stick to single radio setups,
then typically the only thing required is a Declaration of Conformity
(unintentional radiator testing).  This is quite a bit cheaper than a
full certification that has both the intentional and unintentional
radiator tests.  That said, it *does* require the certified module to
have been certified with a wide range of antennas, which is not commonly
done today.

Oh, and consider our horn tooted.  :-)

-Hal

------
Harold Bledsoe
Deliberant LLC
http://www.deliberant.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

One reason the non certified manufacturers are not certifying their 
equipment is because of the changes that take place in such short time 
periods.

To certify a system, the radio card, the antenna AND "the board" which 
drives the card has to be certified together as a complete system.

The roll your own non certified equipment changes very fast. It's always

a newer faster board or a newer better card. Just a few months ago the 
CM9 was the rage of Atheros, now seems like the WLMG54 is popular. 
couple months ago wraps were the ticket and now it's war boards..

I don't think it's likely to see too many certifying systems under these

conditions. But I'm sure they could easily be certified. it just takes 
money.

George



Matt Liotta wrote:
> Jack Unger wrote:
>> First, our "small group" can certainly influence manufacturers. The 
>> voice of an industry trade organization (which is what we are)
carries 
>> a lot of weight if we simply decide to use that voice to speak out. 
>> Only if we say nothing, will our voice carry no weight. In that case,

>> we might as well cease to exist.
>>
> We can influence manufacturers by explaining what we want them to 
> produce and if they produce it we will buy it. Take for example the 
> whole thread on MTU size, which seemed to get at least one manufacture

> to take notice. That however is because they could actually lose sales

> if they don't pay attention to our needs. I personally don't see any 
> benefit provided by current non-certified gear, so its not like I will

> start buying the gear if it was certified. Therefore, what incentive 
> would such a manufacture have knowing my position? I guess a better 
> question is what benefit does non-certified gear have over certified 
> gear? I personally don't see the benefit, so why waste time trying to 
> convince the manufacture to certify it?
>> Second, I'd venture a guess that many WISPA members DO sometimes buy 
>> non-certified equipment. We can't make a blanket statement that all 
>> WISPA members buy only certified equipment. Even if it were true that

>> all WISPA members bought only certified equipment (and I'll bet you a

>> steak dinner that it's not true) what about all the other WISPs and 
>> WISP-industry providers who are on our mailing lists and who are 
>> influenced by what we say and do? Is it WISPA's job to stand up for 
>> what's legal and what's right or should WISPA just say "Forget it, we

>> don't care, it's not our job, and we're too busy".
>>
> I am all for standing up for what is legal, but what does that mean in

> practical terms for WISPA?
>> I submit that it's part of our job to educate the industry. If WISPs 
>> don't know that certification is a requirement, then IT'S OUR JOB to 
>> help them learn. Once they know the laws of the industry that they
are 
>> joining then they will want to buy certified equipment.
>>
> Why is it our job?
>> By the way, who would start a business in an industry and then not 
>> want to know the laws that regulate that industry? How far would I
get 
>> (and how smart would I be) if I opened a new restaurant in your 
>> neighborhood but I didn't stop long enough to learn about the 
>> sanitation laws in your city? Would you feel confident bringing your 
>> new girlfriend to my restaurant on Friday night?
>>
> Those are interesting questions that don't seem to apply to my
position. 
> A more analogical question would be should the other restaurants help 
> you learn what you are unwilling to do on your own? How long will a 
> business survive with such an attitude? Why not just wait for them to 
> die on their own?
> 
> -Matt


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