[WISPA] Netsapiens

[Jeremie Chism]

If anyone out there is using this solution, please send me an email, on list or 
off, about your experience. Looking into other solutions. 

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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

You better slow down a little bit. They charge extra for those speeds:)

On Tuesday, April 12, 2011, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> All this talk of speedtests over mobile networks got me interested. Here are 
> my results.
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1249343037.png
>



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

Axxcelera wimax to businesses. Looking at some ubnt for a new area.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Marco Coelho  wrote:
> What equipment are you running now for AP and CPE?
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jeremie Chism  
> wrote:
> With competition where we are our lowest plan is 3meg and goes to 12.
> I think one other poster was right. It will be a continuous struggle
> to innovate and change. That is why I'm always looking at where this
> industry is going.
>
> One mistake I think that a lot of wisps make is selling their service
> to low. I know several close to me that are selling their self short.
> If built right our service is superior to dsl and Comcast. I don't
> save people on their Internet service (I do that on their phone).
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>> For now.  I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 
>> indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my 
>> network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine 
>> with 1.5 or 3Mbps!On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson 
>>  wrote:The other question is how much do you pay for the 
>> service? It all comes
>> down to price.
>>
>> I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
>> wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
>>> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>>>
>>> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
>>> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
>>> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
>>> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
>>> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>>
>>> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
>>> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
>>> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
>>> big file via FTP or whatever.
>>> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>>>
>>> ~V~
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Charles Wu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>>
>>> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
>>> router on phone
>>>
>>> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>>
>>> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all
>>>
>>> to yourself.
>>>
>>> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
>>> th
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

With competition where we are our lowest plan is 3meg and goes to 12.
I think one other poster was right. It will be a continuous struggle
to innovate and change. That is why I'm always looking at where this
industry is going.

One mistake I think that a lot of wisps make is selling their service
to low. I know several close to me that are selling their self short.
If built right our service is superior to dsl and Comcast. I don't
save people on their Internet service (I do that on their phone).

Just my 2 cents.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2011, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
> For now.  I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 
> indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my 
> network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine 
> with 1.5 or 3Mbps!On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson 
>  wrote:The other question is how much do you pay for the 
> service? It all comes
> down to price.
>
> I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
> wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
>> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is 
>> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>>
>> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so 
>> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it 
>> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this 
>> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power 
>> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>
>> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
>> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
>> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
>> big file via FTP or whatever.
>> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>>
>> ~V~
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Wu
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>
>> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
>> router on phone
>>
>> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all
>>
>> to yourself.
>>
>> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
>> the big antenna outside.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Charles Wu"
>> To:; "WISPA GeneralList"
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>
>>
>>> It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>>>
>>> most of the test are "half No virus found in this message.
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. 

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu  wrote:

> LTE latency is about 60-100 ms
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about
> LTE latency
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> 
>> Wimax or LTE?
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>> 
>> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
>> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
>> 20ms. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency?
> IIRC
>> it
>>>> was in the 100 ms?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
>> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Wimax or LTE?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on
> mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see
> 20ms. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC
> it
>>> was in the 100 ms?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and
> seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
>> 
>> --
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower 
cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. 

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias  wrote:

> On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 
>> That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it
>> was in the 100 ms?
> 
> 
> I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing 
> about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway.
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

And most wimax is 3.5 or 7mhz channel unless you are talking the mobile wimax 
which has 10. 

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:

> LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that 
> would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz.
> 
> On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>> 
>>> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
>>> already doing wimax
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this 
>>>>> year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP 
>>>>> setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that 
>>>>> will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>>>> 
>>>> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. 

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are 
> already doing wimax
> 
> Sent from my Motorola Startac... 
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
>>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>> 
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>> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

I am looking for my email that had numbers but from what i remember (don't hold 
me to it) was 100 Meg. I will find the email to make sure. 

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Matt  wrote:

>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
> 
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> So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc?
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

In the 2500.00 range. 

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:27 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  wrote:

> I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs.
> 
> The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> 
>> I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. 
>> It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but 
>> will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money 
>> because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.
>>> 
>>> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain 
>>> to
>>> match the effort and cost.
>>> 
>>> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on 
>>> typical
>>> style WISP gear.
>>> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate
>>> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?
>>> 
>>> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed
>>> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is
>>> considered outdated to the dark ages.
>>> 
>>> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it
>>> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50%
>>> degregation.
>>> 
>>> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's
>>> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.
>>> 
>>> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can
>>> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for
>>> real world competitive and technical challenges.
>>> 
>>> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and 
>>> always
>>> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is
>>> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for 
>>> one
>>> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run 
>>> both
>>> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the
>>> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30%
>>> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world 
>>> deployments
>>> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years.
>>> Why  aren't they being developed?
>>> 
>>> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for
>>> unlciensed to be competitive?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> To: ; "WISPA General List"
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> +1
>>>> 
>>>> very well said.. to the point !...
>>>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
>>>> irrelevant. !
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
>>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to
>>>> remain
>>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade 
>>>> and
>>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will 
>>>> also
>>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to 
>>>> show
>>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Int

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Jeremie Chism]

I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It 
is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will 
not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because 
the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  wrote:

> yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to.
> 
> No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to 
> match the effort and cost.
> 
> The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical 
> style WISP gear.
> But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate 
> and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones?
> 
> Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed 
> capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is 
> considered outdated to the dark ages.
> 
> In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it 
> performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% 
> degregation.
> 
> Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's 
> performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry.
> 
> The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can 
> accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for 
> real world competitive and technical challenges.
> 
> A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always 
> be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is 
> happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO.  But in the real world its common for one 
> polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both 
> chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the 
> overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% 
> increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments 
> closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. 
> Why  aren't they being developed?
> 
> Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for 
> unlciensed to be competitive?
> 
> 
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
> 
> 
>> +1
>> 
>> very well said.. to the point !...
>> Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and
>> irrelevant. !
>> ---
>> 
>> "The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to 
>> remain
>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and
>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show
>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings."
>> ---
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>>> I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface 
>>> to
>>> deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
>>> needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most 
>>> are
>>> bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
>>> competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
>>> Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot 
>>> over
>>> all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player 
>>> in
>>> the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are 
>>> doing
>>> and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately 
>>> it
>>> seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or 
>>> exceeded
>>> other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business 
>>> plans
>>> that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to 
>>> remain
>>> continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade 
>>> and
>>> replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
>>> need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to 
>>> show
>>> that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.
>>> 
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wi

Re: [WISPA] Problems swapping an RB750 and RB-750G

[Jeremie Chism]

I was in the process of swapping a 433ah for a 450g and am experiencing some of 
the same trouble. I copied the config from the 433 to the 450g and it doesn't 
work. The port I have as ether1 showed up red in winbox.


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On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Scott Lambert  wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 05:25:33PM -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>> I posted this on the MT forum but I wanted to throw it out here too. Thanks.
>> 
>> First I exported in imported the RB-750's config into the RB-750G but
>> the RB-750G didn't seem to be getting a DHCP address from the Motorola
>> Surfboard cable modem on it's Ether1-Gateway port. I had a link light
>> but no connectivity, the RB-750G wouldn't even respond to a ping from
>> the internet. Then I tried the RB-750G with the default config (after
>> \system reset) and it still wouldn't work. Again I had a link light
>> but no connectivity in or out. Next I disabled the RB-750G's DHCP
>> client on the Ether1-Gateway port and manually configured it for the
>> public IP address that the Surfboard has been giving out via DCHP
>> for years. It's a dynamic IP address but it never changes even after
>> widespread system wide outages experienced by the cable company. That
>> seems to be our address. Anyway, Even with the IP address manually
>> configured I still couldn't get any connectivity.
>> 
> 
> When I migrated a config from a 750G to a 450G, I found that the
> names of the ethernet ports were applied to the wrong physical port.
> 
> When I plugged a cable into physical port 1 on the 450G, the RouterOS
> showed a link on the interface named 4_tower_lan.  4_tower_lan was
> physical port 4 on the 750G.  I had to figure out which port showed
> a link with a cable plugged in and rename the interfaces so that
> the configuration of IP address and DHCP clients would be on the
> correct physical ports.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

[Jeremie Chism]

I'm sure its not loaded like the 3G system is here. Was fast the first day. Now 
not much. 

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On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Bret Clark  wrote:

> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are 
> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. 
> 
> On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>> 
>> Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at 
>> Speedtest.Net to my handset
>>  
>> -Charles
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik rb433ah

[Jeremie Chism]

I was in no hurry to upgrade what I had. I was just told it might help the 
problem. 

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On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> My board is running ROS 3.30 on 2.20 firmware.  Been a while since I've had 
> to update it =P
> 
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> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Thanks. That might help. I was running .27 an .29 was available. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
>> Type /sys routerboard print
>> 
>> Then /sys routerboard upgrade
>> 
>> Then /sys reboot
>> 
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> So 4.11 is the os right. What firmware do you recommend.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
>> 
>> > Update the os *and* the firmware. Two step process, if you don't have
>> > the matching firmware loaded bad things happen.
>> >
>> > On 4/1/11, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> >> I have a rb433ah that is acting crazy and I was hoping someone had a
>> >> suggestion. Twice in the last two weeks it seems like the two Ethernet 
>> >> ports
>> >> are locking up. I can access the router from the Internet. The lights on 
>> >> the
>> >> Ethernet ports are on but it is not moving any traffic. Reboot it and it
>> >> goes back to normal. Watchdog is not kicking off so I'm not sure where the
>> >> problem might be. This router has been up and running since October an 
>> >> this
>> >> is the first time I have seen any issues.
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik rb433ah

[Jeremie Chism]

Thanks. That might help. I was running .27 an .29 was available. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Type /sys routerboard print
> 
> Then /sys routerboard upgrade
> 
> Then /sys reboot
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> So 4.11 is the os right. What firmware do you recommend.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> 
> > Update the os *and* the firmware. Two step process, if you don't have
> > the matching firmware loaded bad things happen.
> >
> > On 4/1/11, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> >> I have a rb433ah that is acting crazy and I was hoping someone had a
> >> suggestion. Twice in the last two weeks it seems like the two Ethernet 
> >> ports
> >> are locking up. I can access the router from the Internet. The lights on 
> >> the
> >> Ethernet ports are on but it is not moving any traffic. Reboot it and it
> >> goes back to normal. Watchdog is not kicking off so I'm not sure where the
> >> problem might be. This router has been up and running since October an this
> >> is the first time I have seen any issues.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik rb433ah

[Jeremie Chism]

So 4.11 is the os right. What firmware do you recommend. 

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On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:

> Update the os *and* the firmware. Two step process, if you don't have
> the matching firmware loaded bad things happen.
> 
> On 4/1/11, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> I have a rb433ah that is acting crazy and I was hoping someone had a
>> suggestion. Twice in the last two weeks it seems like the two Ethernet ports
>> are locking up. I can access the router from the Internet. The lights on the
>> Ethernet ports are on but it is not moving any traffic. Reboot it and it
>> goes back to normal. Watchdog is not kicking off so I'm not sure where the
>> problem might be. This router has been up and running since October an this
>> is the first time I have seen any issues.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik rb433ah

[Jeremie Chism]

Was told it could be firmware. Updated from 4.11 to latest stable a week ago 
and happened again. 

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On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I had a 493ah do this twice a couple years ago.  It's been good for 1.5 or 2 
> years since I updated it.
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> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> I have a rb433ah that is acting crazy and I was hoping someone had a 
> suggestion. Twice in the last two weeks it seems like the two Ethernet ports 
> are locking up. I can access the router from the Internet. The lights on the 
> Ethernet ports are on but it is not moving any traffic. Reboot it and it goes 
> back to normal. Watchdog is not kicking off so I'm not sure where the problem 
> might be. This router has been up and running since October an this is the 
> first time I have seen any issues.
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[WISPA] Mikrotik rb433ah

[Jeremie Chism]

I have a rb433ah that is acting crazy and I was hoping someone had a 
suggestion. Twice in the last two weeks it seems like the two Ethernet ports 
are locking up. I can access the router from the Internet. The lights on the 
Ethernet ports are on but it is not moving any traffic. Reboot it and it goes 
back to normal. Watchdog is not kicking off so I'm not sure where the problem 
might be. This router has been up and running since October an this is the 
first time I have seen any issues. 

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

[Jeremie Chism]

I think alot of what your talking about is going to be market driven. Right now 
none of my competition uses caps on their business customers and neither can I. 
 I use QOS and wimax to try to keep everything fair but my customers feel like 
they should be able to use their Internet in any way they choose.

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> Fred, I respectfully disagree. First off, applications being run on my 
> network ARE my business. Many apps can have detrimental effect on it and 
> therefore I have a right and responsibility to say what can run on it. 
> Secondly, priority bits simply cost more to provide and tax the network more 
> than non-priority. Everyone expects their high priority apps (video/voice) to 
> be first in line without delays and that's really what all the fuss is about. 
> Meanwhile, we have been focusing on raw usage but that is only a part of the 
> equation. Just billing for monthly overages does not consider daily peak 
> usage times. In fact, in questioning many customers, they would be happy to 
> pay a premium for a high-priority, low latency connection for certain apps. 
> Heck, I can even see premiums for usage based on the time of day but that may 
> be pushing it. This may sound extreme but everyone laughed at me back in 1997 
> when I bought an Allot box for UBB.
> BTW:While economic optimization is good, network optimization is better. Over 
> the years, I've seen fast networks and slow networks, I'd pay more any day to 
> be on a fast network.
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> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> At 3/29/2011 01:20 PM, RickG wrote:
>> I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a 
>> matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file transfer at 
>> .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and SD at .03? (Prices 
>> are just for arguments sake)
> 
> Well, no, there doesn't.  Applications are none of the network's business.  
> That's one reason why DPI is evil.
> 
> HOWEVER, I am not opposed to appliation-agnostic billing for usage, by QoS.  
> It is perfectly reasonable for a network to charge for usage that imposes a 
> cost.  And while the teevee fiends are sure, just certain, that 300 GB/month 
> imposes precisely zero cost on the network, I doubt many WISPs would agree.  
> Especially rural ones who have to pay for backhaul, or who have multi-hop 
> networks.
> 
> IP, of course, is one-size-fits-all, with QoS being rare.  Hence caps and 
> overage charges are a way to do cost averaging for the majority (since people 
> hate billing for usage), while still hitting the heaviest users.  Block 
> pricing (like wireless, having say 10, 50, and 150 GB/month plans, plus 
> overage) also works.  And if you go beyond plain old IP and do have a 
> QoS-enabled protocol, then lower-loss or delay-limited (or whatever) traffic 
> should carry a premium.  Regardless of what it's used for.  Then the 
> applications could adapt to the pricing.  This leads towards economic 
> optimization.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark  
>> wrote:
>> I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
>> US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the "Jackass 3"
>> movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
>> bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
>> 
>> On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
>> > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
>> >  
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.

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I have a lot of sources for ip cameras. Most all have the nvr software 
included. You just need the computer. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:08 PM, "Scottie Arnett"  wrote:

> I have one or two docks that I can not get LOS too. The rest I can get
> LOS. They do want this recorded, so I will need to look into the network
> video recorder. I am trying to use a system they already have that is all
> wired around the office and integrate the far off sites with wireless.
> They do have a 2.4 marina wi-fi system in place, but it is not their own,
> it is one of those we will give you $xx/mth off what it generates. So that
> part may be fun to deal with on interference, 5.8 may be the better idea.
> 
> Scottie
> 
>> On ip cameras pick the H264 ones. They use 1/3 the bandwidth of mpeg
>> cameras and the video quality is better.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:
>> 
>>> Scottie,
>>> 
>>> This is not an issue but I would not use 2.4 GHz.  You need to consider
>>> marina WiFi.
>>> 
>>> If you have LOS use 5 Ghz. It will handle 1/2 mile with no issues and
>>> the water won't be an issue unless the radios fall into the water.
>>> 
>>> You can use standard CCTV analog cameras but will need an encoder and a
>>> decoder.  You will probably find it is cheaper to do IP based cameras
>>> such as Axis. Keeping in mind that is you want to record the video at
>>> the office site you will need a network video recorder (NVR) which is
>>> more money than a standard DVR.
>>> 
>>> This is easy. Just comes down to LOS and $$.
>>> 
>>> -B-
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/8/2011 3:49 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina.
 Some
 of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has
 anyone
 used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something
 like
 this?
 
 I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I
 assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular
 wireless
 cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter?
 
 Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft
 limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this
 is
 going to have to require going across water and land and up to
 distances
 of 1/2 mile.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.

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On ip cameras pick the H264 ones. They use 1/3 the bandwidth of mpeg cameras 
and the video quality is better. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> Scottie,
> 
> This is not an issue but I would not use 2.4 GHz.  You need to consider 
> marina WiFi.
> 
> If you have LOS use 5 Ghz. It will handle 1/2 mile with no issues and 
> the water won't be an issue unless the radios fall into the water.
> 
> You can use standard CCTV analog cameras but will need an encoder and a 
> decoder.  You will probably find it is cheaper to do IP based cameras 
> such as Axis. Keeping in mind that is you want to record the video at 
> the office site you will need a network video recorder (NVR) which is 
> more money than a standard DVR.
> 
> This is easy. Just comes down to LOS and $$.
> 
> -B-
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/8/2011 3:49 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>> I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina. Some
>> of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has anyone
>> used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something like
>> this?
>> 
>> I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I
>> assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular wireless
>> cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter?
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft
>> limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this is
>> going to have to require going across water and land and up to distances
>> of 1/2 mile.
>> 
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>> Info-Ed, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.

[Jeremie Chism]

Most cameras with wireless built in are crap. I think you are right ubnt 
wireless with IP cameras. 

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On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:49 PM, "Scottie Arnett"  wrote:

> I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina. Some
> of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has anyone
> used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something like
> this?
> 
> I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I
> assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular wireless
> cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter?
> 
> Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft
> limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this is
> going to have to require going across water and land and up to distances
> of 1/2 mile.
> 
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> Info-Ed, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Solar

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Thanks a lot for the links. 

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> http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=RPST1224-100-60&eq=&Tp=
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> This might work perfect for you. Has dual power. Power from POE or solar.
> Will give a couple days backup or run from solar independently.
> 
> http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=RPPL2424-18-30&eq=&Tp=
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> This one will only do 8W continuous so it won't be able to power your
> equipment continuously by solar but it takes POE power and the solar panel
> will extend the battery backup.
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> Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a small
> switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a power outage
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Re: [WISPA] Solar

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That sounds exactly like what we need to do. 

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Well figure a 10 watt load so get some batteries that hold enough juice for 
> that number of days.
> 
> I think it's Tyson that has the nifty charger where you can do AC and solar 
> in and POE out easily.  Might need to piece together the charger to POE part. 
>  I have one sitting on my desk if you're confused.
> 
> On Feb 28, 2011 10:14 PM, "Jeremie Chism"  wrote:
> > I'm thinking secondary. There is power there now but when the ice storms 
> > come I have seen it be days without power. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Josh Luthman  
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> >> Wait is solar your primary source or secondary?
> >> 
> >> On Feb 28, 2011 10:10 PM, "Jeremie Chism"  wrote:
> >> > Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a 
> >> > small switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a power 
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Re: [WISPA] Solar

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I'm thinking secondary. There is power there now but when the ice storms come I 
have seen it be days without power. 

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> Wait is solar your primary source or secondary?
> 
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> > Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a 
> > small switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a power 
> > outage that could last a couple days. 
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[WISPA] Solar

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Looking for a solar solution as backup power for two rocket M5's and a small 
switch. This is a remote location with the possibility of a power outage that 
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Re: [WISPA] High connect rates

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Thanks for all the help. I really have to take the time to learn mikrotik. 

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 2:56 PM, "Scott Piehn"  wrote:

> yes
> ip
> firewall
> filter rules
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> specify source ip and action of drop to be nice or tar pit if you want to me 
> mean
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> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:37 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] High connect rates
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>> I am experiencing high connect rates from one ip address to all of my 
>> public ip addresses. It's starting to cause problems. Is there any way to 
>> stop it in mikrotik?
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[WISPA] High connect rates

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I am experiencing high connect rates from one ip address to all of my public ip 
addresses. It's starting to cause problems. Is there any way to stop it in 
mikrotik?

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Re: [WISPA] User usage graph

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Thanks. I was hoping it could be done. 

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> One queue per ip per graph.
> 
> On Feb 27, 2011 7:34 PM, "Jeremie Chism"  wrote:
> > Is there a way in mikrotik to graph individual user (individual ip) usage 
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Is there a way in mikrotik to graph individual user (individual ip) usage or 
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Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

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I've actually ran into some centurytel areas that you can't port numbers. The 
customers hate the service and if they could port their numbers they would be 
gone. 

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On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC.  In most 
> RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port 
> numbers.
> 
> -
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> On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their 
>> customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember 
>> the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
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>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
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>>> 
>>> On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>>> First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
>>>> it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
>>>> didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
>>>> source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
>>>> of subsidy money to rural states.
>>>> 
>>>> USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
>>>> uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
>>>> switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
>>>> call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
>>>> explicit cash subsidies.
>>>> 
>>>> Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools&   Libraries, Rural
>>>> Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
>>>> High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
>>>> money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
>>>> rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
>>>> costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
>>>> the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
>>>> them hold down the rate.
>>>> 
>>>> But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
>>>> "study area", which is in general the operating territory of one
>>>> (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
>>>> Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
>>>> Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
>>>> California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
>>>> heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
>>>> 
>>>> The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
>>>> areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
>>>> supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
>>>> big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
>>>> urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
>>>> typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
>>>> which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
>>>> be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
>>>> CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
>>>> cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
>>>> however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
>>>> Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
>>>> areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
>>>> their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
>>>> on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
>>>> their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
>>>> (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
>>>> reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls "The Parent Trap")
>>>> get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.
>>>

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

[Jeremie Chism]

With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their customers 
instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember the day I 
cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
>> it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
>> didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
>> source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
>> of subsidy money to rural states.
>> 
>> USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
>> uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
>> switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
>> call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
>> explicit cash subsidies.
>> 
>> Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools&  Libraries, Rural
>> Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
>> High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
>> money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
>> rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
>> costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
>> the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
>> them hold down the rate.
>> 
>> But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
>> "study area", which is in general the operating territory of one
>> (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
>> Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
>> Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
>> California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
>> heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
>> 
>> The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
>> areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
>> supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
>> big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
>> urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
>> typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
>> which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
>> be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
>> CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
>> cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
>> however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
>> Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
>> areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
>> their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
>> on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
>> their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
>> (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
>> reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls "The Parent Trap")
>> get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.
>> 
>> When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
>> Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
>> created the "Equal Support Rule".  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
>> suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
>> (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
>> move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
>> same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
>> Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
>> $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
>> their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
>> (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
>> need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
>> model.
>> 
>> Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
>> had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
>> regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
>> are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
>> still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
>> rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
>> and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
>> wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
>> simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
>> regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

[Jeremie Chism]

Exactly. My wisp is small in comparison to many on here (only generating 15K 
per month) but I did it myself without outside funding whether it be government 
or other sources. But it is mine. It's reliable. And it has high profit 
margins. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:39 AM, "St. Louis Broadband"  
wrote:

> Ø  Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was supposed to make rural telson 
> affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 
> 
>  
> 
> Yeah and the LEC is probably collecting $20k per year for it!  And doing very 
> little maintenance, if any, on their network. This is why these guys are so 
> big, cut off their outrageous funding and see who is left standing for 
> innovation!
> 
>  
> 
> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
> 
> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
> 
> www.StLouisBroadband.com
> 
> www.FarmingtonForum.com
> 
>  
> 
> 314-974-5600
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:31 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
> 
>  
> 
> Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do 
> distance medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed.  
> It's about 34 miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff 
> that was supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per 
> month. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> 
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being 
> done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or 
> charging your customer too much.
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>  
> 
> On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> 
> T1 is far from legacy.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband  
> wrote:
> 
> How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they 
> will be selling much of that in the future.
> 
>  
> 
> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
> 
> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
> 
> www.StLouisBroadband.com
> 
> www.FarmingtonForum.com
> 
>  
> 
> 314-974-5600
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
> 
> 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
> 
>  
> 
> You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually "deliver" 
> T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via 
> T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
> 
>  
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>  
> 
> On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> 
> Stuart,
> 
> This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
> already been collected.
> 
> This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to 
> U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared 
> network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
> ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … 
> haven’t seen that part yet …
> 
> I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
> monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
> 
> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
> 
> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
> 
> www.StLouisBroadband.com
> 
> www.FarmingtonForum.com
> 
> 314-974-5600
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
> 
> Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what 
> ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
> brings now and the future.
> 
> Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
> capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades 
> yea !
> 
> This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. 
> They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly 
> back to the

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

[Jeremie Chism]

Agreed. We had a call several weeks back from a hospital wanting to do distance 
medicine but their T1 wouldn't allow them to. Nit enough speed.  It's about 34 
miles from where we are now. Oh and by the way, this USF stuff that was 
supposed to make rural telson affordable, their T1 is 1100.00 per month. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> If a T1 is involved in anything other than voice, then a disservice is being 
> done.  Either you're paying too much for the connectivity you're receiving or 
> charging your customer too much.
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> On 2/12/2011 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> 
>> T1 is far from legacy.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
>>  wrote:
>> How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they 
>> will be selling much of that in the future.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
>> 
>> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
>> 
>> www.StLouisBroadband.com
>> 
>> www.FarmingtonForum.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 314-974-5600
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
>> 
>> 
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
>>  
>> 
>> You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually "deliver" 
>> T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via 
>> T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
>> 
>>  
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>  
>> 
>> On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
>> 
>> Stuart,
>> 
>> This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
>> already been collected.
>> 
>> This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to 
>> U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared 
>> network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
>> ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … 
>> haven’t seen that part yet …
>> 
>> I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
>> monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
>> 
>> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
>> 
>> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
>> 
>> www.StLouisBroadband.com
>> 
>> www.FarmingtonForum.com
>> 
>> 314-974-5600
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
>> 
>> Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or 
>> what ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the 
>> problems it brings now and the future.
>> 
>> Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
>> capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades 
>> yea !
>> 
>> This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. 
>> They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly 
>> back to the people.
>> 
>> If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for 
>> verification and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth 
>> what, $31, based on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent 
>> bandied about $10 million dollar figure.
>> 
>> Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
>> associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
>> 
>> Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want 
>> to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.
>> 
>> With that, Go Buckeyes !!
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> 
>> From: Drew Lentz 
>> 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> 
>> Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600
>> 
>> >Jack, this line stood out to me:
>> 
>> >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together "
>> 
>> > 
>> 
>> >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.
>> 
>> >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
>> 
>> >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting
>> 
>> >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
>> 
>> >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
>> 
>> >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
>> 
>> >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
>> 
>> >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
>> 
>> >money will go to new guys that don't have

Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

[Jeremie Chism]

Around here T1's are considered slow. And bonding them is far to expensive. 
Every customer we have switched over from a CLEC wants to dump their T1 for 
something faster. Honestly on our VoIP customers if we can't service them they 
get Comcast with our VOIP service. I think the T1 is the biggest thing hurting 
the clec's. Its hard for them to compete with comcast fiber or me  I worked for 
two and actually had one just recently offer me a large salary to come work for 
them. 

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On Feb 12, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> T1 is far from legacy.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:17 AM, St. Louis Broadband  
> wrote:
> How are they the only source for VoIP?  T1 is now legacy, so I doubt they 
> will be selling much of that in the future.
> 
>  
> 
> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
> 
> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
> 
> www.StLouisBroadband.com
> 
> www.FarmingtonForum.com
> 
>  
> 
> 314-974-5600
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:11 AM
> 
> 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
>  
> 
> You wouldn't want to disband CLECs.  They're the ones that usually "deliver" 
> T1 and T3 circuits (though people shouldn't be purchasing their service via 
> T1 or T3) and the only source for VoIP access.
> 
> 
>  
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>  
> 
> On 2/12/2011 7:41 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> 
> Stuart,
> 
> This is not ARRA monies, i.e., tax dollars.  This is USF funds that have 
> already been collected.
> 
> This is also the same network plan that my company developed and handed to 
> U.S. CTO Aneesh Chopra.  Our broadband stimulus plan was for a shared 
> network, with Public Safety, mobile and fixed wireless.  It was also a 
> ‘community based’ so that the local communities shared in the profits … 
> haven’t seen that part yet …
> 
> I think this is the new plan and to disband the CLEC … breaking up the 
> monopoly!  At least this is what I am hoping for.
> 
> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
> 
> www.ShowMeBroadband.com
> 
> www.StLouisBroadband.com
> 
> www.FarmingtonForum.com
> 
> 314-974-5600
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:28 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
> 
> Does everyone forget where this stimulus money comes from ( or will ) or what 
> ? This stimulus money is turning everyone into Ostriches to the problems it 
> brings now and the future.
> 
> Most everyone I know in this industry for years has built out with their own 
> capabilities. Can more money help build out more areas quicker ? Well hades 
> yea !
> 
> This money isn't going back to the people, it's a loan believe it or not. 
> They need to take all of this supposedly extra money and give it directly 
> back to the people.
> 
> If they want to promote broadband, then maybe a coupon idea, for verification 
> and accountability only, is a good idea. The coupon is worth what, $31, based 
> on the population of the USA of 315 million and the recent bandied about $10 
> million dollar figure.
> 
> Best idea to promote broadband is not to tax it and make anything remotely 
> associated with broadband, even a Wii, 100% deductible.
> 
> Bottom line, if you've got this surplus of money in the government and want 
> to stimulate the economy ( broadband or not ), give it back to the people.
> 
> With that, Go Buckeyes !!
> 
> -- Original Message --
> 
> From: Drew Lentz 
> 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> 
> Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:18:15 -0600
> 
> >Jack, this line stood out to me:
> 
> >"Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together "
> 
> > 
> 
> >You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this.
> 
> >The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a
> 
> >wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting
> 
> >groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional
> 
> >level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie
> 
> >together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and
> 
> >help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on
> 
> >the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right,
> 
> >money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural
> 
> >locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we
> 
> >are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that
> 
> >be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated
> 
> >contracto

[WISPA] Google ISP edition

[Jeremie Chism]

I know the ISP edition isn't available any more. What version or where is the 
place to go to get the replacement. I'm looking to use it for a couple 
customers. 

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

[Jeremie Chism]

Definitely not directed at you butch. I just remember some of the guys from 
those days. 

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On Feb 7, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Butch Evans  wrote:

> On 02/07/2011 09:40 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> It will just turn into 1999 all over again with businesses everywhere 
>> worried they won't be able to use the Internet so they bring in high 
>> priced consultants to show them how to transition to IPV6.
> 
> Not all of us are that high priced!  :-)
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

[Jeremie Chism]

It will just turn into 1999 all over again with businesses everywhere worried 
they won't be able to use the Internet so they bring in high priced consultants 
to show them how to transition to IPV6. 

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On Feb 7, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:

> At 2/7/2011 08:01 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
>> On 7 February 2011 02:49, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>> We are not out of IPv4 addresses.  The unallocated pool is exhausted.  There 
>> is a difference.  Think of it in terms as water from a well.
>> 
>> You have all of these people bringing water up from the well (the water is 
>> ipv4 addresses).  These people are storing these addresses in buckets, 
>> bottles, etc. and distributing them to others.  One day the well runs dry.  
>> This does not mean you are out of water because you have all these people 
>> out there who have bottled water they can "sell" to others.  They just can't 
>> go back to the well and get more.  What they have is what they have.
>> 
>> 
>> As someone else said, the fat lady has not yet sung, but she is on stage and 
>> the curtain is being lifted. This is a very real problem and does need to be 
>> addressed. 
> 
> No, it's not a real problem.  I liken it to the exhaust of homesteads in the 
> past century.  You used to be able to go to a land office and ask for your 40 
> acres.  Then they ran out.  But you could still buy a farm from somebody who 
> previously had a homestead.
> 
> The B-team kidz who developed IPv6 (if you're too young to remember the IPNG 
> process in the 1990 time frame, don't attack my characterization) did not 
> think much about transition, and forgot about compatibility.  The resulting 
> transition plan is dual stack, meaning that you need to run IPv4 until 
> everyone is running IPv6.  Since IPv4 necessarily outperforms the higher 
> overhead IPv6, there's little reason to not use v4.  Since you thus need v4 
> addresses anyway, the market will reallocate them, just as the market 
> reallocated farmland.  If there turns out to be some real scarcity in the 
> future, then the price will rise, and IPv4 addresses will be used more 
> efficiently (more NAT, more use of private address space, etc.), and more 
> large-block holders will release some to the market.
> 
> Funny how much Frame Relay got done with a 10-bit address space.
>  --
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Re: [WISPA] Recommendations for VoIP Termination services.

[Jeremie Chism]

I'll second that about VOX. 

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> tone replacement product that works over our wireless networks. 
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> E911 is typically done with the originating provider, but there are other 
> E911 companies.
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> On 1/9/2011 12:20 PM, Christopher Hair wrote:
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> Any recommendations for providers that  offer VoIP Termination &  E911. 
> Shopping around!
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Jeremie Chism]

I have to say I had an expensive cisco router that routed my entire network. 
Due to a lightning strike I was in a bind to replace it and didn't have 12K on 
hand to buy another one. After some thought (not much because time was of the 
essence) I went with mikrotik. Everything I have works better. Even to the 
point that customers noticed a difference  My ping times were greatly reduced 
and some small issues I was having before disappeared.  

Just my 2 cents. 

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> I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of 
> traffic - AT&T Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and 
> 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a 
> RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or 
> Foundry.
> 
> Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that 
> will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're 
> in the $20k-$40k range.
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> firewall or filtering on this device.
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Re: [WISPA] New location

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It looks to be a backhaul link for a radio station. I'm guessing it is a 
mikrotik card in a nema enclosure connected to an dish. I try to always work 
within legal limits. Can't speak for everybody. 

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> 5150 - 5250 Indoor only
> 5250 - 5350 Indoor or outdoor
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> On 1/31/2011 9:04 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Have a new potential site that has sine wireless equipment that shows up on 
>> the spectrum analyzer from 5215-5255. Is that legal?
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Re: [WISPA] New location

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That is what I thought. 

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On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Not outside
> 
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[WISPA] New location

[Jeremie Chism]

Have a new potential site that has sine wireless equipment that shows up on the 
spectrum analyzer from 5215-5255. Is that legal?

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Re: [WISPA] Platypus Pricing Change / Free version

[Jeremie Chism]

Do they have screen shots?  

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On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> This is not a hotspot mgr, its a complete isp billing/cust support 
> system,management
> 
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> On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
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>> Ah 'upto' must be assumed, or asked, since its not explicit.  As said
>> using it for a hotspot is not the best idea, nor can I see using it
>> since it does not (look) to have a flexible back end, and for the
>> monthly fee, I would expect more. Ive found many hotspot managers that
>> do everything i see this do (im sure i am missing) for less.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>> Up to 100 Free.
>>> Up to 250 $99
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
>>> wrote:
 
 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:
> We are using this, yes.
> 
> Price for software  as per url enclosed.
 
 There is a gap between 100 and 250. I read it to say 249 or less is
 free. Other can read it to mean 101 and up is $99.
 
> You would run the software on your machine(s).. just pay for software on
> monthly basis
 
 That is why I asked about why it does/they do.
 
> It uses MSSql for it's database,
 
 Never mind, not even a option for me then. I have no Microsoft servers
 at all. Till a few weeks ago I did not even
 have a pc with Windows as the primary OS. As it is I only have Win7
 for gaming. I have my 10 year old XP in a
 virtual machine for the few times I need IE.
 
> and can be integrated with external
> thirdparty radius servers.
 
 That is good as I keep everything in radius. I do need to upgrade to
 something a little more 'all in one' but looks like I will roll it
 myself.
> (radius is not included with the software).
> 
> For HotSpot Support you would have to ask others who are doing something
> similar. We are using this for regular subscribers.
 
 My entire network is a hotspot. Daily to Monthly plans.
 
> 
> Regards.
 
 Thank you for your answers.
 
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> On 1/29/2011 5:58 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>> Are you using this? Whats the price for 101 to 249 users? For a
>> monthly bill, are they billing your customers directly? How, or do,
>> they support hotspots and random users? Do they host the user database
>> or do you? Is it plain radius or something else?
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> wrote:
>>> For those who may find this info useful.
>>> 
>>> http://www.ispbilling.com/products/pricing.php
>>> 
>>> Regards.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Jeremie Chism]

I use it as another line with VOX. 

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On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> Doesn't that eat up your battery having to maintain a 3G connection in
> order to receive VoIP calls? Which software do you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> I already use VoIP on my iPhone on 3G. That way I give out that number 
>> instead of my real cell phone number.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

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Nimbuz or fring. I don't see any additional battery drain. I don't keep it up 
after I sign in. When I hve an incoming call it pops up like a text message. 

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> Doesn't that eat up your battery having to maintain a 3G connection in
> order to receive VoIP calls? Which software do you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
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>> I already use VoIP on my iPhone on 3G. That way I give out that number 
>> instead of my real cell phone number.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

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I am on the other side of this.  I am in an area with cable, dsl, and fiber.
 My lowest plan is 79.99 which is priced the same as my competition.  People
leave comcast because of the service.  They leave dsl because it is slow.
 When my competition starts pricing their plans with caps I will follow
suit.  Until then I use Butch's QOS and the wimax QOS to shape traffic to
give the customer the best possible experience.  We are going to have to
evolve and grow to meet customer need and expectation to continue to evolve.
 That includes staying on top of technology.  I am already planning an LTE
trial this summer that will hopefully allow me to provide what is needed for
a couple more years.  I feel that this will go the way of the
computerevery few years you may have to scrap everything and start
overor add new equipment to existing infrastructure and sell higher
speed plans to the people that want it.  Comcast is already rolling out 50
and 100 meg plans here.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> I keep seeing complaints from operators talking about the woes of
> Netflix breaking business models etc.
>
> >From certain comments I've seen, many of you seem to be looking at
> this wrong. No-one should ever have sold unlimited data. Unlimited
> data pricing is like T1 or T3 pricing. You can't get unlimited
> broadband for $50/mo. This was destined to fail from the beginning.
>
> Anyone who couldn't see TV ever going over Internet lines was blind.
> And we're only seeing the early beginnings of it. There's going to be
> more and more HD stuff.
>
> Netflix hasn't broken anything. People's service plans were already
> broken. You were selling stuff you couldn't provide. You were
> effectively selling T1 lines for $50/mo. Bandwidth usage was always
> going to go up. Weather it's Netflix or something else. It was only
> time before your business model would fail. We have had bandwidth
> limits posted on our website since 2007.
>
> http://g5i.net/internet.php
>
> People are now starting to hit them. The limits are fairly high. We
> have about 5 or 6 people out of 300 who are hitting them each month
> now. We're going to start throttling to 256k when the cap is met. That
> way they can still do general Internet stuff, without being able to
> watch video. And they can call up and pay extra in 10Gb increments to
> get their high speed back.
>
> At the end of the day people, you are paid to provide an Internet
> connection. Be that to Netflix or Hulu or be that just for email. Sell
> something that you are able to provide.
>
> Take advantage of the situation. I'm getting more and more people
> signing up for my $80/mo package. That means more revenue so I can buy
> more bandwidth. We're trying to accommodate online video as best we
> can.
>
> Don't get me wrong, the sudden leap in bandwidth usage has caught me
> without enough bandwidth. But it hasn't broken my business model...
> yet.
>
> I have seen people talking about triple play. I don't think that's the
> way forward. I think the cell companies are eventually going to have
> to become dumb pipes, and sell just mobile broadband. People will use
> VoIP instead of voice minutes.
>
> Be a dumb pipe, and offer VoIP, also. Let people get their video
> content from online providers. I think this is the way forward.
>
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> Roger
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Jeremie Chism]

I already use VoIP on my iPhone on 3G. That way I give out that number instead 
of my real cell phone number. 

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On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> I keep seeing complaints from operators talking about the woes of
> Netflix breaking business models etc.
> 
>> From certain comments I've seen, many of you seem to be looking at
> this wrong. No-one should ever have sold unlimited data. Unlimited
> data pricing is like T1 or T3 pricing. You can't get unlimited
> broadband for $50/mo. This was destined to fail from the beginning.
> 
> Anyone who couldn't see TV ever going over Internet lines was blind.
> And we're only seeing the early beginnings of it. There's going to be
> more and more HD stuff.
> 
> Netflix hasn't broken anything. People's service plans were already
> broken. You were selling stuff you couldn't provide. You were
> effectively selling T1 lines for $50/mo. Bandwidth usage was always
> going to go up. Weather it's Netflix or something else. It was only
> time before your business model would fail. We have had bandwidth
> limits posted on our website since 2007.
> 
> http://g5i.net/internet.php
> 
> People are now starting to hit them. The limits are fairly high. We
> have about 5 or 6 people out of 300 who are hitting them each month
> now. We're going to start throttling to 256k when the cap is met. That
> way they can still do general Internet stuff, without being able to
> watch video. And they can call up and pay extra in 10Gb increments to
> get their high speed back.
> 
> At the end of the day people, you are paid to provide an Internet
> connection. Be that to Netflix or Hulu or be that just for email. Sell
> something that you are able to provide.
> 
> Take advantage of the situation. I'm getting more and more people
> signing up for my $80/mo package. That means more revenue so I can buy
> more bandwidth. We're trying to accommodate online video as best we
> can.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, the sudden leap in bandwidth usage has caught me
> without enough bandwidth. But it hasn't broken my business model...
> yet.
> 
> I have seen people talking about triple play. I don't think that's the
> way forward. I think the cell companies are eventually going to have
> to become dumb pipes, and sell just mobile broadband. People will use
> VoIP instead of voice minutes.
> 
> Be a dumb pipe, and offer VoIP, also. Let people get their video
> content from online providers. I think this is the way forward.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
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Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

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I'm in the same city with centurytel's corporate office. That might explain my 
success 

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On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:32 PM, "Dylan Bouterse"  wrote:

> We've had various CL (was Embarq) upstreams out of our more rural data
> facility for 6+ years now. We started with T1s, went to ATM, upgraded to
> Fiber and we've recently moved on to a different layer 2 provider to
> peer with Level3. We were fortunate enough to have that option. During
> our experience with Embarq/CL we had a host of issues from basic
> outages/cuts to capacity issues. I think their issues are going to be
> more regional than global though. My issues in Central Florida likely
> wouldn't be the same issues somebody might have in other areas.
> 
> Dylan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Roger Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:22 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth
> 
> I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is
> this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link,
> which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL
> customers or wholesale customers also.
> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-11242
> 6
> 
> I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out
> way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I
> have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a
> full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would
> be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN.
> 
> Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

[Jeremie Chism]

Using centurytel fiber for my primary uplink. No problems and good support. 

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On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is
> this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link,
> which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL
> customers or wholesale customers also.
> 
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/CenturyLinks-Network-Is-Choking-112426
> 
> I have a 20Mbit DS3 circuit with ACC Business. Bandwidth is maxing out
> way too much. They want too much money to upgrade to the full DS3. I
> have just over a year left on the contract. Centurylink can provide a
> full DS3. Because IPv4 addresses about to run out, I thought it would
> be good to multi-home, run BGP and get our own IP space from ARIN.
> 
> Any feedback on how your centurylink circuits perform would be great.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation

[Jeremie Chism]

What's the latest delivery estimate on the beam shaping  antennas. Don't worry 
I can add the customary 3 months to whatever date is being thrown around. 

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On Jan 18, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Bobby Burrow  wrote:

> Actually there are 8 channels, You can enable channel shifting to
> achieve the alternate channels. Similar to the channel shifting on the
> other AirMax equipment.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
>> fromSolorza, Jaime 
>> dateSun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:54 PM
>> subjectRE: [Motorola II] ubnt m900 radios
>> 26MHz …four channels at 5Mhz is all they offer
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
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>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wasn't any of the lists I'm on, must be on the AFMUG list.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/2011 7:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ubnt 900 Mhz.  Either this list or "the Moto" list.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
 
 For which product and where was it said?
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 1/18/2011 7:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 It was said today it will be 5mhz channels.  Are you sure about 10mhz?
 
 On Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
 wrote:
> Why not 900MHz UBNT? Should be able to run 10MHz channels and deliver
> 20Mbps
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 foliage propagation
> 
> 
> Well, no, the foliage doesn't make noise, but everything in Wal-Mart
> has
> a 2.4 Ghz transmitter in it now.
> 
> Those are antenna gains. Radios would be up to 20 or so.
> 
> Tower most likely would be above the trees, but the CPE surely
> wouldn't. If the CPE were above the trees, then I'd just use 5 gig and
> above the noise\limited spectrum.
> 
> I wouldn't imagine I'd have to go more than a half mile between the
> start of trees and the CPE. It wouldn't be a half mile of forest,
> though. Houses, roads, yards, etc. in those trees.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/18/2011 6:55 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>> On 1/18/2011 4:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> I know it sucks compared to lower frequencies.
>> Yes
>>> I know it typically has a high noise floor.
>> Foliage doesn't create noise, only attenuates signal.
>>> I've never used it outdoor for real world experience.
>>> 
>>> I'm looking at some small towns and other groups of houses with no
>>> more
>>> than 300 people or so (some much smaller). They are old, so they have
>>> adult trees. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to service these
>>> homes with 18 dBi at the CPE and 20 dB at the tower?
>> ERP or transmit power? Plan to mount all your antennas (AP and CPE)
>> above the
>> trees or else...
> 
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Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix

[Jeremie Chism]

Mcdonalds here has redbox. Along with most of the pharmacies. 

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On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> That doesn't surprise me at all.  Who drives to the video to get a video 
> instead of going to Walmart to get groceries, medicine, make up, shotgun, 
> clothes and then gets a video on the way out?
> 
> McDonald's needs a drive through Redbox IMO.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Just saw an article that redbox rentals have outpaced the other store rentals 
> anyway. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
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> On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's.  I'm guessing all of them, but could be 
>> wrong.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support  wrote:
>> has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster
>> 
>> You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of 
>> me; the last one closed a couple years ago.
>> 
>> There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I 
>> saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using 
>> Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera.
>> 
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] idea to slow the pain of netflix

[Jeremie Chism]

Just saw an article that redbox rentals have outpaced the other store rentals 
anyway. 

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On Jan 18, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Redbox is at Walmart and McDonald's.  I'm guessing all of them, but could be 
> wrong.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:01, support  wrote:
> has anyone ever tried to partner with blockbuster
> 
> You still have a Blockbuster nearby? There's not one within thirty miles of 
> me; the last one closed a couple years ago.
> 
> There's one video rental store in town, and I can't recall the last time I 
> saw more than one car in their parking lot. Everyone's using 
> Netflix/Blockbuster streaming/Amazon Unbox/et cetera.
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Newbie needs info on antenna down tilt angles

[Jeremie Chism]

Vecima used to have a very nice downtilt calculator. Not sure for what 
antennas. 

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On Jan 17, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Easy answer: set it to 0 or very close to.
> 
> Better answer: you want the 3db uptilt on your azimuth to hit the horizon and 
> then adjust down so that the focal point gives you maximum coverage.
> 
> Josh Luthman
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> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Steve Lynch 
>  wrote:
> Hey folks!  Newbie to the industry here... I'm needing to find info on 
> calculating antenna down tilt angles.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Lynch
> Network Administrator
> MidSouth Satellite
> Athena Broadband
>  
> (931) 224-4202 mobile
> (931) 680-0068 office
> 731 Union Street
> Shelbyville, TN 37160
> steve.ly...@midsouthsatellite.com
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> www.midsouthsatellite.com
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Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question

[Jeremie Chism]

The alvarion gear I used with their gps card did not affect bandwidth. 

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On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:03 PM, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:

> For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower 
> site to see what it was all about.  All of our gear in the past did not have 
> the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce 
> interference between local devices.
> 
> In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between 
> them.  Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I 
> noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half.  Is this typical of 
> all synced units?  I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after 
> the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at 
> the same time any way.  Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode 
> rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing 
> reduction to keep things clean?
> 
> Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently 
> experience when their new sync capable gear comes out?
> 
> Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing 
> devices affects their performance.
> 
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> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

[Jeremie Chism]

Is that when the new airbeam gets here to. 

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On Jan 7, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> No need, the world ends 2011 Dec 31 11:59:59
> 
> 
> Is it Friday yet?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Look forward to trying them out in 2012 when they get here. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
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> On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:27 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> 
>> SWEET!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:13 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
>>  
>> 
>> I just had it confirmed that it is dual band concurrently.
>> 
>> On 01/06/2011 08:53 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> 
>> But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:04 PM
>> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The pro version will be.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Word from UBNT is end of Q1
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> - Jerry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:27 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What makes you think they are dual band radios?
>> 
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:23 PM
>> To: "motor...@afmug.com" , "WISPA General List" 
>> 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
>> 
>> Any sign these are at least on the boat?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

[Jeremie Chism]

Look forward to trying them out in 2012 when they get here. 

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On Jan 7, 2011, at 2:27 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:

> SWEET!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:13 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
> 
>  
> 
> I just had it confirmed that it is dual band concurrently.
> 
> On 01/06/2011 08:53 PM, Robert West wrote:
> 
> But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:04 PM
> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
> 
>  
> 
> The pro version will be.
> 
>  
> 
> Word from UBNT is end of Q1
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
> 
>  
> 
> What makes you think they are dual band radios?
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Jerry Richardson" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:23 PM
> To: "motor...@afmug.com" , "WISPA General List" 
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> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios
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> Any sign these are at least on the boat?
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Jeremie Chism]

I've installed about 50 of the minibox untid in police cars. Their regulated 
power supplies are good. 

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On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:

> These may be of help if you want to run it straight from your car's
> 12VDC...
> 
> http://www.mini-box.com/M4-ATX-HV
> 
> http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f
> 
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 21:27 -0500, RickG wrote:
>> Do they run on direct 12 volts?
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>I like the linux version.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>- Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
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>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html
>> 
>>On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed 
>>wrote:
>> 
>>I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on
>>12-volt DC
>>(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at
>>least 1 PCI
>>slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my
>>truck to
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Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

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Are all of your customers on that sector experiencing problems?  Had any storms 
come through? I had slow upload issues from static discharge close to one of 
our sectors. 

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On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Forbes Mercy  wrote:

> Our network has a Ubiquiti 3.65 backhaul through an Adtran smart switch 
> then to four rocket M5's plus some 2.4GHz radios plus a backhaul to 
> another town.
> 
> Earlier this week we started getting calls from the Rocket customers who 
> said their speeds were slow, primarily two of them pointing nearly the 
> same direction, both have about 20 on them.  We worked on the settings 
> for the backhaul... fixed.  Then today it started again.  Speedtest on 
> three MB customers are 365K down and 1.5MB up.  The backhaul is pulling 
> 40MB and the pings to those complaining are perfect.  Another 5MB 
> customer, 600K down and 800K up.
> 
> We don't know where to look, the switch is fairly new could that be it 
> or could it be the radios pointing roughly the same direction are 
> interfering but not affecting pings which is the normal symptom for 
> that? vertical separation is 30 feet between the two rockets, one a 120 
> the other a 90.  Any ideas?
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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

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My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. 

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> I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was 
> about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth 
> per hour, day, week, month or ?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> commercial connection.  sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly.
> 
> 
> On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote:
>> I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does 
>> everyone define a "dedicated" connection? 
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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

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I don't have caps. I do offer dedicated or best effort. I have radio stations 
that stream audio 24/7 on best effort. I really don't care how they use it. The 
difference is on best effort if the  system gets congested they are not 
"guaranteed" the bandwidth will be there to support their application. 
Dedicated is. I explain this to the customer and use it as a way to upsell if 
appropriate. 

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> everyone define a "dedicated" connection? 
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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

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The real question is does the FCC have the jurisdiction to do any of this.  I 
think when one of the big guys challenges it in court we will see that they 
don't. I am sure that will change at some point in the future. 

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> The first step to breaking the net was form 477.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK  wrote:
> 
> The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
> pretending you can "fix" what you broke by half-baked notions of government
> created markets...
> 
> There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't been regulated.
> 
> Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results of what should never
> have been done in the first place.
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
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> > required to be common carriers.  They built their network using
> > common carrier privileges.  They got their market share using common
> > carrier privileges.  And then they turned  around and got their
> > common carrier obligations lifted by the profoundly corrupt
> > Cheney-Rove FCC.  So now they control the content on their wires, and
> > you can't lease them.  That's just wrong.  And the Genachowski FCC
> > isn't doing squat about that, though they absolutely have the power
> > to do so.  We do need a national common carrier utility.  There is a
> > clear distinction between carriage and content. ISPs are content, not
> > carriage.  And WISPs are self-provisioned ISPs who deliver content
> > over unlicensed facilities without using a carrier, and without being one.
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Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

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I have an fm antenna (low power) on the tower where I am at at about 35 feet 
above me and I have a CPE on an FM backup antenna with no problems. This is 
Axxcelera 3.65 wimax. Shielded cable with good grounds. No need for ferrite 
beads so far. 

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On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:31 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff"  
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> On 12/20/2010 05:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>> There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a 
>> separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF 
>> intensity 
>> decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet 
>> and 20 
>> feet goes into 300 feet 15 times so the RF intensity at 100 yards is the 
>> inverse 
>> of 15 squared (15X15) or the inverse of 225. Inverting 225 means that the 
>> intensity at 100 yards is only 1/225th as much as at 20 feet. Scott's 
>> equipment 
>> is going to be exposed to 225 times greater RF energy than yours so his 
>> equipment is likely to be overloaded with receiver de-sensitization while 
>> your 
>> equipment may be OK.
>> 
>> The solution is to "do everything right" as Scott says. The 11 GHz equipment 
>> is 
>> likely so far away from the FM and TV frequencies that it is probably OK. 
>> The 
>> solution for 2.4 and 5 GHz is use proper bandpass filters between the 
>> antennas 
>> and the equipment then test to see if the receivers seem to have full 
>> sensitivity or not.
>> 
> Jack is 100% correct. Remember these radios do not have much filtering
> in the front-ends so you have to make up for it with external accessories.
> 
> Leon
>> jack
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/20/2010 2:34 PM, Bret Clark wrote:
>> 
 On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
 
> Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away
> and dealt with it decently.
> 
> Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a
> 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW
> channel 39 I think.
> 
> Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power antennas?
> Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment work int his RF
> environment?  Assume I did everything right (grounded metal box,
> shielded cable soldered drain wires, ferrite cores on the cables etc...).
> 
> Thanks
> 
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>>> We are running 5.8 and 3.65 stuff on towers with 100KW TV systems on the
>>> tower located about a 100 yards from us on another tower...no problems.
>>> Probably not much difference between 100KW 20 feet or 100 yards apart.
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts

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We use fasthosts.com. 50.00 per month for unlimited standard email accounts. 
9.95 per year for advanced. 

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> Our current email server is getting a bit over loaded.  Disk I/O is
> getting to be an issue on it.  Hosting about 2000 accounts.  Likely
> just going to move current solution to a bigger and newer RAID array.
> Before I do that thought I would ask what other solutions are out
> there?  Prefer to keep it in house and keep costs down.  Current
> solution actually works ok just such a pain whenever it needs
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Re: [WISPA] Open Internet Filers thus far

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I filled mine out at the doctors office with the flu. If I can do it everybody 
else should be able to take 5 minutes out to do something that will help us 
all. 

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:19 PM, "Rick Harnish"  wrote:

> TOPIC:  Treatment of Fixed Wireless Broadband in Open Internet Decision to be 
> made at the FCC Commission Meeting on Dec. 21st, 2010.
> 
> DEADLINE:  Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 5:30 PM EST
> 
> IMPORTANCE LEVEL:  HIGH
> 
>  
> 
> All WISPs and WISP Vendors,
> 
>  
> 
> Friday I sent out an announcement of a critical decision that is tentatively 
> scheduled to be made at the December 21st FCC Commission meeting which may 
> severely impact your business and its future.  WISPA filed its Ex Parte 
> comments on Friday, which I have attached.  Doc121010-013.pdf.  Below, is an 
> excerpt of commentary made by Steve Coran, WISPA’s telecommunication attorney 
> about this “Open Internet” proposal.
> 
>  
> 
> As you may be aware, at the December 21 meeting, FCC Chairman Genachowski 
> intends to put to full Commission vote his proposed "Open Internet" (net 
> neutrality) rules.  This means that all communications with Commission 
> decision-makers must be completed by 5:00 PM ET on Tuesday, December 14.  The 
> Chairman has Commissioner Clyburn's vote, and will not get Commissioners 
> Baker and McDowell on board.  Commissioner Copps would prefer more stringent 
> Title II regulation and may hold out for some concessions, but at the end of 
> the day its widely believed he will sign on to the rules, yielding a 3-2 vote 
> along party lines.  Republican House members have already indicated that an 
> FCC vote in favor of "Open Internet" rules would exceed the FCC's authority 
> and be subject to legislation and political fall-out.
> 
>  
> 
> From recent press reports and the Chairman's statements, and of relevance to 
> WISPA, we understand the proposed rules will create two separate regulatory 
> regimes, one for fixed and one for mobile.  Mobile wireless broadband 
> providers will be subject to less stringent requirements, while fixed 
> wireless will be included in the more heavily regulated class of broadband 
> providers.  On the other hand, the Chairman has indicated that he will allow 
> "pay-as-you-go" or usage-based billing.  Not sure about any caps or 
> constraints, but at least on this point the Chairman is open to innovative 
> billing models.
> 
>  
> 
> As we did during the TV Whitespaces proceedings, we have taken the time to 
> write a template letter that we encourage ALL WISPs and our partner vendors 
> to file.  The deadline is Tuesday, December 14th at 5:30 pm EST.  Feel free 
> to customize this letter, also attached to personalize it to your specific 
> company demographics.  Any text in Red should be replaced by company specific 
> information.  This campaign is extremely important and has a very short 
> window of opportunity for each of you to respond by.
> 
>  
> 
> Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc file 
> and upload it at the following website.  
> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc.  If you choose not to 
> use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you can 
> either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method at 
> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd.  The proceeding number 
> ET Docket Nos. 09-191 and WC Docket No. 07-52.  You can add the second 
> Proceeding Number by clicking Add Proceeding.
> 
>  
> 
> I would like to thank Doug Clark, Jack Unger and Steve Coran for their 
> assistance in editing and refining this letter template.  If you do not care 
> for the tone of this letter, please feel free to write your own. 
> 
>  
> 
> I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do.
> 
>  
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Harnish
> 
> Executive Director
> 
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> > -Original Message-
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> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> 
> > Behalf Of Matt
> 
> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:14 PM
> 
> > To: WISPA General List
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> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Internet Filers thus far
> 
> >
> 
> > > Below is a list of companies that have filed their letters on the
> 
> > Network
> 
> > > Neutrality Open Internet proposal thus far.  The deadline is tomorrow
> 
> > at
> 
> > > 5:30 pm EST.  We need much better involvement than this to impact the
> 
> > > decision.  Thank you to those who have done this already.  It is best
> 
> > to
> 
> > > make a .pdf of the letter to upload.  One provider sent a word doc
> 
> > and it
> 
> > > showed up with “track changes” turned on.  He has since contacted the
> 
> > FCC
> 
> > > and asked them to remove it and will upload a new letter.
> 
> >
> 
> > Is there a step by step guide for filing?
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >

Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

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> Hi All,
> 
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
> figure out how to get the files back.
> 
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics 
> I can find.
> 
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
> jpgs and such?
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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

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That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was going to 
inquire about pricing but guess I won't. 

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> Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today.  I just tried calling 
> their sales line. 920-351-1010.
> 
> Go ahead, call it. I dare you.
> 
> If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of business 
> long ago...
> 
> Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a speakerphone and 
> B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.  Then you 
> press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail.  Try to hit "0" for 
> the operator and you get "mailbox not set up".
> 
> I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty vocal on 
> this list about them.
> 
> 
> On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
>> Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
>> Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?
>> 
>> We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700 clients.
>> I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
>> Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a ticketing
>> system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
>> The two above I have received the most endorsements for and just
>> wonder which maybe better.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] DSL & BGP

[Jeremie Chism]

I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. 

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Matt  wrote:

>> We do this today with Mikrotik routers.  Don't need the bgp part of it for
>> "just" a backup service.
> 
> Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients
> public IP's to be directly accessable.
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Re: [WISPA] DSL & BGP

[Jeremie Chism]

Can you elaborate a little on how you have this configured. I had thought about 
the 50 Meg Comcast as a backup. I also use mikrotik for the router. 

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On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:31 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  wrote:

> We do this today with Mikrotik routers.  Don't need the bgp part of it for 
> "just" a backup service.
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:41 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] DSL & BGP
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

I have ported lots of them in their clec area. It is always a problem. Typical 
Att ports are 7-10 days. Centurytel is 90-120 days. Even when they port they 
sometimes don't remove the numbers from their switch so any centurytel customer 
that calls their numbers gets a ring with no answer. They truly try everything 
possible to stop a port. 

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On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I know we ported a CenturyTel customer, I remember dealing with those
> idiots.  One of those ports that personify hell.
> 
> You were probably better off.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where 
>> Centurytel was the ilec.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> For domestic we have...off hand...
>>> 
>>> Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
>>> Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
>>> 
>>> Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
>>>> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
>>>> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
>>>> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
>>>> think I got the point across.
>>>> 
>>>> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
>>>> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
>>>> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
>>>> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
>>>> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
>>>> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
>>>> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
>>>> network.
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
>>>>>> from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
>>>>>> even be more restrictive than that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
>>>>>>> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>>>>>>>> We are looking to start offering

Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where 
Centurytel was the ilec. 

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On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> For domestic we have...off hand...
> 
> Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
> Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
> 
> Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
>> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
>> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
>> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
>> think I got the point across.
>> 
>> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
>> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
>> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
>> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
>> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
>> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
>> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
>> network.
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are comparable.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
 Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive ports
 from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch and may
 even be more restrictive than that.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
 
 On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of
> the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
>> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time
>> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup
>> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

I think I have something like 10 numbers that weren't ported. Everything we do 
is port. 

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On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
> 
> On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> > The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality of 
> > the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means nothing.
> > 
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
> >>
> >> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time 
> >> finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup 
> >> and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Jeremie Chism]

VOX.  

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wrote:

> We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time finding a 
> provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup and resell. 
> Anyone know of a good VOIP provider?
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Re: [WISPA] Pirate Bay Founders Lose Appeal

[Jeremie Chism]

Homeland security also shut down sites they think have "no commercial benefit 
except to allow copyright infringement." I don't agree with copyright 
infringement but I also don't like the government deciding what sites are 
relevant and what sites aren't. 

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On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:09 AM, "Robert West"  wrote:

> Just caught this…….
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/54030
> 
>  
> 
> Notice the last sentence…..
> 
>  
> 
> "We now look to governments and ISPs to take note of this judgment, do the 
> responsible thing and take the necessary steps to get The Pirate Bay shut 
> down."
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe I’m biased but I see this as another attempt to transfer more blame 
> onto ISPs.  They’ll be coming after us again, I’m sure of it.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Robert West
> 
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> 
> 740-335-7020
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

[Jeremie Chism]

Butch Evans QOS might help to if you are using mikrotik. 

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On Nov 26, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Optimum Wireless Services 
 wrote:

> Yes. I'm doing NAT for the entire network.
> 
> Someone suggested to upgrade to the squid ver 3.1. I was using 3.0.24.
> Upgraded and will run the newer version and see how things work. I need
> squid on the network to save a little bit of bw. Also I'm running
> videocache which needs squid.
> 
> I'll let you know how things go from here.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 09:57 -0600, Matt wrote:
>>> profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
>>> 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
>> 
>> Just curious, do you NAT everyone?
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

[Jeremie Chism]

Could be your squid cache. 

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On Nov 25, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Optimum Wireless Services 
 wrote:

> Travis, thanks for replying. I first thought I didn't have enough
> bandwidth but, I have three 5meg lines. Previously I only had 2 and
> things were worst. After adding the additional line things got better
> but, not really good. 
> 
> Our three lines are connected to tp-link load balancer then to our gw
> running debian which throttles user's bandwithd at 512kbps download, not
> able to throttle upload bw yet. Also this gw is running squid for cache.
> 
> You still think I need to add another line?
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 07:42 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
>> I would guess you are running out of bandwidth. 5meg isn't much for 120 
>> customers, especially since most of them are probably trying to use it 
>> at nearly the same time (6:00PM - 10:00PM).
>> 
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/25/2010 6:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing facebook
>>> and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on hotmail after
>>> entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other people's
>>> profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
>>> 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
>>> customers and have complained so much about it that is already getting
>>> on me.
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems with these
>>> two websites.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advanced.
>>> 
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[WISPA] Article: Level 3 Lands Netflix Streaming Business, Will Double Its Storage Capability

[Jeremie Chism]

I guess that akamai server won't be as beneficial when this happens. 


Level 3 Lands Netflix Streaming Business, Will Double Its Storage Capability - 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee

[Jeremie Chism]

Axxcelera. 

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On Nov 19, 2010, at 7:20 PM, RickG  wrote:

> What brand? Thanks! 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> I've had excellent performance. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> On Nov 19, 2010, at 6:45 PM, RickG  wrote:
> 
>> How is the performance?
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM, rwf  wrote:
>> Took a couple weeks for the License.
>> 
>> Base stations and CPES (both of which need registered) took about a month.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David Hannum
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:17 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee
>>  
>> 
>> Speakig of 3.65 GHz . . .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Have any of you been through the 3.65 GHz Form 621 process?  How long does 
>> this take, and then how long to get the FCC to approve once you have 
>> completed the Form 621 process?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> David Hannum
>> 
>> New Era Broadband, LLC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, so I get free radios??  Hey, UBNT, I want 1500 XR3’s!!! 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sorry, I couldn’t resist……  J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of rwf
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:54 AM
>> 
>> 
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> After the 200.00, there is no fee for the actual radios.
>> 
>> Not a bad deal, actually
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:12 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> $200
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the #.65 license fee?
>> 
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee

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I've had excellent performance. 

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On Nov 19, 2010, at 6:45 PM, RickG  wrote:

> How is the performance?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM, rwf  wrote:
> Took a couple weeks for the License.
> 
> Base stations and CPES (both of which need registered) took about a month.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of David Hannum
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:17 PM
> 
> 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee
>  
> 
> Speakig of 3.65 GHz . . .
> 
>  
> 
> Have any of you been through the 3.65 GHz Form 621 process?  How long does 
> this take, and then how long to get the FCC to approve once you have 
> completed the Form 621 process?
> 
>  
> 
> Kind Regards,
> David Hannum
> 
> New Era Broadband, LLC
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
> 
> Wow, so I get free radios??  Hey, UBNT, I want 1500 XR3’s!!! 
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry, I couldn’t resist……  J
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of rwf
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:54 AM
> 
> 
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee
> 
>  
> 
> After the 200.00, there is no fee for the actual radios.
> 
> Not a bad deal, actually
> 
> Ralph
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 License fee
> 
>  
> 
> $200
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Office Phones

[Jeremie Chism]

3CX has one that is very nice. 

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:

> Is there a desktop interface for managing calls, monitoring queues, etc?
> Does anyone have experience with one that they like.
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 13:45 -0500, Glenn Kelley wrote:
>> A few solutions that should help - while technically asterisk - very
>> easy to work with
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  Trixbox CE (the free one) 
>> 2.  PBXInAFlash 
>> 
>> 
>> google both- very easy to setup :-)
>> 
>> 
>> then you can use virtually any ip phone - including your iphone,
>> android, and others 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> 
>>> Learning Asterisk dialplans (extensions.con, AEL, etc) is different
>>> from using a Asterisk powered by FreePBX (GUI).
>>> 
>>> http://www.freepbx.org/
>>> 
>>> I would also recommend Polycom desk phones. Not sure who makes good
>>> cordless phones. I'm currently looking at a cordless from Yealink.
>>> 
>>> You should look into the PIKA WARP appliance as a PBX.
>>> 
>>> http://www.pikatechnologies.com/english/View.asp?x=652
>>> 
>>> Even with a GUI Asterisk still has a learning curve, but nowhere
>>> near the time required if you were manually writing dialplans. SIP
>>> Station has an auto-configure module for FreePBX which will setup
>>> their SIP trunks with a few clicks.
>>> 
>>> http://www.sipstation.com/
>>> 
>>> I have experience with all of the above. Feel free to hit me up off
>>> list for more info and/or configuration support.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Blake Covarrubias
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'd recommend Polycom deskphones, and Pap2t ata's for the cordless
>>>> phones. As for the system, I'd say asterisk, But you said that
>>>> wasn't an option... Maybe something like trixbox that is asterisk
>>>> with a nice easy to use GUI?
>>>> 
>>>> Nick Olsen
>>>> Network Operations
>>>> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:36 AM
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Office Phones
>>>> 
>>>> If you want local and remote extensions with Vox you will have to
>>>> get a sip trunk from them and go with an ip pbx. If you don't want
>>>> to spend much money you can use an spa9000 but I'm not a big fan
>>>> of it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Steve Barnes 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My
>>>>> AT&T phone system is now acting up and loses calls all the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for
>>>>> the most part. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system
>>>>> for 5 users only but I need a good voice mail and ability to
>>>>> have cordless phones.  I would also like the ability to do
>>>>> remote transfer to a cell or a offsite VoIP extension.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours
>>>>> learning Asterisk. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Webbox

[Jeremie Chism]

Thanks. 

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> IP -> Services.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Does anyone here know an easy way to make the Webbox only available 
> internally or change the port it is accessible. I have a range o ip addresses 
> (one of which is 212.156.98.214) that have been trying continuously to login. 
> Would be nice to block those ip's but I'm sure they would try from another 
> one.
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[WISPA] Mikrotik Webbox

[Jeremie Chism]

Does anyone here know an easy way to make the Webbox only available internally 
or change the port it is accessible. I have a range o ip addresses (one of 
which is 212.156.98.214) that have been trying continuously to login. Would be 
nice to block those ip's but I'm sure they would try from another one. 

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Re: [WISPA] Office Phones

[Jeremie Chism]

I have heard good results from yealink. Haven't used them myself. I have used 
3cx a few times for PBX features. Works on windows. I thought the GUI was easy. 

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Blake Covarrubias  wrote:

> Learning Asterisk dialplans (extensions.con, AEL, etc) is different from 
> using a Asterisk powered by FreePBX (GUI).
> 
> http://www.freepbx.org/
> 
> I would also recommend Polycom desk phones. Not sure who makes good cordless 
> phones. I'm currently looking at a cordless from Yealink.
> 
> You should look into the PIKA WARP appliance as a PBX.
> 
> http://www.pikatechnologies.com/english/View.asp?x=652
> 
> Even with a GUI Asterisk still has a learning curve, but nowhere near the 
> time required if you were manually writing dialplans. SIP Station has an 
> auto-configure module for FreePBX which will setup their SIP trunks with a 
> few clicks.
> 
> http://www.sipstation.com/
> 
> I have experience with all of the above. Feel free to hit me up off list for 
> more info and/or configuration support.
> 
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> 
>> I'd recommend Polycom deskphones, and Pap2t ata's for the cordless phones. 
>> As for the system, I'd say asterisk, But you said that wasn't an option... 
>> Maybe something like trixbox that is asterisk with a nice easy to use GUI?
>> 
>> Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (855) FLSPEED  x106
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:36 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Office Phones
>> 
>> If you want local and remote extensions with Vox you will have to get a sip 
>> trunk from them and go with an ip pbx. If you don't want to spend much money 
>> you can use an spa9000 but I'm not a big fan of it. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> 
>>> I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My AT&T phone 
>>> system is now acting up and loses calls all the time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for the most 
>>> part. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system for 5 users 
>>> only but I need a good voice mail and ability to have cordless phones.  I 
>>> would also like the ability to do remote transfer to a cell or a offsite 
>>> VoIP extension.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours learning 
>>> Asterisk. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Office Phones

[Jeremie Chism]

If you want local and remote extensions with Vox you will have to get a sip 
trunk from them and go with an ip pbx. If you don't want to spend much money 
you can use an spa9000 but I'm not a big fan of it. 

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On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My AT&T phone 
> system is now acting up and loses calls all the time.
> 
>  
> 
> I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for the most part. 
> 
>  
> 
> I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system for 5 users 
> only but I need a good voice mail and ability to have cordless phones.  I 
> would also like the ability to do remote transfer to a cell or a offsite VoIP 
> extension.
> 
>  
> 
> Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours learning Asterisk. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Especially when your cost is a fraction of a penny per minute. 

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On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> With true VOIP you're not going to have local calls unless you setup a PRI in 
> your exchange.  The cost for that is roughly $500 plus maintenance.  That's a 
> LOT of minutes to break even.
> 
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> 
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> wrote:
> > 3.5x per account
>  
> Question:
>  
> 1. What average percent of the revenue or call time is for would be 
> Nationwide Long Distance versus would be local calls?
> Obviously I recognize with some VOIP solutions long distance and local 
> calls are treated the same, But I'm trying to determine what percentage of 
> customers are buying VOIP because it saves them money on Long distance versus 
> on their local call fixed monthly telco service compared to their old 
> service.)
> .
> 2. What percent of the Subscribers are buying the VOIP for their primary 
> phone to replace their Land Line, versus a second line? (Obviously, most 
> subscribers would also have a cell phone provider, so not including that).
>  
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Chuck Hogg
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
> 
> Bought the Netsapiens solution.  Currently (without taking into consideration 
> the initial server/software cost) we are making about 3.5 x Cost per account. 
>  We've been adding 3-5 a week, and as more people learnabout us offering 
> it the faster it's selling.
> 
> My cost per account is roughly $6.25, and we're selling it for $17-45 per 
> line.
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
> wrote:
> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
> 
> TIA
> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Another thing we learned. We always sell unlimited plans but we usually only 
get the 200 minute plan on our end. If there is any overage it is minimal and 
we cover it. 

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On Nov 13, 2010, at 10:33 AM, John Scrivner  wrote:

> Can you share your package prices and your profit margin above your
> per month costs? We want to make a play and have considered Vox in the
> past.
> Thanks,
> John Scrivner
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Joe Fiero  wrote:
>> Coming up on about 450.  80% residential.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:50 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How many lines?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Joe Fiero  wrote:
>> 
>> Hunt group is a definite yes with VoX.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Using them almost 3 years and never looked back.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We have had 100,000 minute months using them over wireless without a hitch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 6:35 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When I spoke to them last (only about 4 weeks ago) Ron Harden said they
>> didn't support hunt groups (the name was eluding me when I first posted to
>> this thread-odd given that hunt groups were fundamental to any ISP for so
>> many years! ;-), though they could do line forwarding.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Are you saying Vox DOES support hunt groups? That'd be so odd since Ron is
>> the executive VP or something I thought. That or I'm royally messed up...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You have to get them to enable hunting. It's not the same as forwarding.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from
>> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines
>> where a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox
>> can do line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first
>> line in the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found
>> to be busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal
>> line pool.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal.
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have
>> our company name.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>> 
>> are not the provider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> 
>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of
>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call
>> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current
>> provider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks-
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet
>> usually and other Internet outside o

Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

That is where we learned the most. We started off way too cheap. I think people 
were skeptical due to the price. We now do an unlimited business line for 
40/mn. I will be glad to discuss specifics off list. Put it like this the 
margins are so good that I routinely find myself thinking about dropping 
wireless and focusing strictly on voip but the problem with that is our 
Internet is better than Comcast in this area. 

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On Nov 13, 2010, at 10:33 AM, John Scrivner  wrote:

> Can you share your package prices and your profit margin above your
> per month costs? We want to make a play and have considered Vox in the
> past.
> Thanks,
> John Scrivner
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Joe Fiero  wrote:
>> Coming up on about 450.  80% residential.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:50 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How many lines?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Joe Fiero  wrote:
>> 
>> Hunt group is a definite yes with VoX.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Using them almost 3 years and never looked back.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We have had 100,000 minute months using them over wireless without a hitch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 6:35 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] making money from voip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When I spoke to them last (only about 4 weeks ago) Ron Harden said they
>> didn't support hunt groups (the name was eluding me when I first posted to
>> this thread-odd given that hunt groups were fundamental to any ISP for so
>> many years! ;-), though they could do line forwarding.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Are you saying Vox DOES support hunt groups? That'd be so odd since Ron is
>> the executive VP or something I thought. That or I'm royally messed up...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You have to get them to enable hunting. It's not the same as forwarding.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from
>> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines
>> where a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox
>> can do line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first
>> line in the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found
>> to be busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal
>> line pool.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal.
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have
>> our company name.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>> 
>> are not the provider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> 
>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of
>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call
>> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current
>> provider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks-
>

Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Axxcelera. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 13, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Ryan Spott  wrote:

> Who are you using for wimax radios?
> 
> ryan
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Qos has never been much of an issue. We have successfully implemented voip on 
> our wimax, Comcast, suddenlink, and dsl. I do have to say that it is 
> excellent over dsl. I won't put more than 5 lines on dsl due to the upload 
> limitation. The larges single customer I have has 28 lines over Comcast. The 
> largest over our wimax is 22 lines. We do use DSCP 46 over our network to 
> prioritize the voip traffic. Butch's qos has worked excellent for that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
> 
> > Re local company to partner with.  We're looking closely at that option as 
> > a preferred course of action for those hard to measure reasons (value of 
> > local contact, vested interest in local biz community, etc).
> >
> > Re qos.  We have a solid network and know where we can support voice and 
> > where we can't.  We successfully implement appropriate qos for customers 
> > who require it, including two call centers, one at 140 seats and one at 300 
> > seats.
> >
> > How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your 
> > voip partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where 
> > do you hand off at?
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:
> >
> >> We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and
> >> resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for
> >> us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the
> >> VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.
> >>
> >> Bret
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
> >>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
> >>> provider?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks-
> >>> Ryan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
> >>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
> >>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
> >>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
> >>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone4
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
> >>>>> etc.  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TIA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ryan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Yes they do hunt groups. I have most of my business customers with hunt groups. 
Maybe you are thinking extensions. That they don't have. (hosted PBX). That 
would take a sip trunk and a trixbox. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:

> When I spoke to them last (only about 4 weeks ago) Ron Harden said they 
> didn't support hunt groups (the name was eluding me when I first posted to 
> this thread-odd given that hunt groups were fundamental to any ISP for so 
> many years! ;-), though they could do line forwarding.
> 
> Are you saying Vox DOES support hunt groups? That'd be so odd since Ron is 
> the executive VP or something I thought. That or I'm royally messed up...
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> 
>> You have to get them to enable hunting. It's not the same as forwarding. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me 
>>> from going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple 
>>> lines where a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. 
>>> Vox can do line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the 
>>> first line in the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line 
>>> is found to be busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same 
>>> as normal line pool.
>>> 
>>> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the 
>>>> portal. Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 
>>>> 95% of our lines are ported from other companies it was important for this 
>>>> to all have our company name. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>>>>> are not the provider?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>>>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out 
>>>>>> of business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get 
>>>>>> a call from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>>>>>> provider?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks-
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>>>>>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>>>>>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>>>>>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning 
>>>>>>>> but sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
>>>>>>>>> etc.  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Vox handles all of that for you including taxes. I pass along a regulatory 
recovery fee that covers my cost along to the customer. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 12, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> Perhaps I should re-phrase the question... If I re-sell Vox service,
> do I still need to file FCC Form 499-A Registration, Quarterly FCC
> Form 499-Q, Annual FCC Form 499-A, E-911 stuff, etc?
> 
> Do I still have to collect and pay fees/taxes to government?
> 
> Or is that all taken care of by Vox?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have 
>> our company name.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>>> are not the provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
>>>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a 
>>>> call from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>>>> provider?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks-
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>>>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>>>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>>>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>>>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
>>>>>>> etc.  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

We do pretty much the same thing. If you have a good voip solution you don't 
get very many calls. We have right at 300 lines and it is not uncommon to go a 
week or more with no support calls. As a matter of fact with our initial voip 
provider we had a person on staff just to deal with voip problems. Now we 
ultimately had to let him go because there was no work for him (it reminded me 
of the old maytag commercials). 

We have learned several things about modems, faxes, and credit card machines. 
We used to try to get all the lines and try to make it work and keep the 
customer happy. Somewhere in the process I decided that wasn't working and that 
we were fighting the same problems over and over. I made a new rule for new 
customers. We do not support analog credit card machines or modems. The 
customer could keep an analog line for those or switch the credit card machine 
to an Internet based terminal. 2.  On the faxes, if they are a medium to low 
fax usage customer, our t.38 fax would be ok. If they are a heavy user we 
charged a little more per month and used faxxbochs. Once we started using this 
approach we quit having problems and our customers were happier. 

As far as installs go we install our ata at the customer demarc so to the 
customer it is no different that Att. Sometimes they don't know we have even 
switched them over until the tech let's them know. Anything 4 lines or more we 
use the spa8000's. They are rock solid. I hve several units that have been in 
service for over two years without a reset. I don't even get calls from those 
customers. Just a check. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Bret Clark  wrote:

> On 11/11/2010 08:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
>> 
>> How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your voip 
>> partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where do you 
>> hand off at?
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> We integrated our VoIP partner with our support ticketing system and 
> support call center (gave them VoIP phones and tied them into our 
> Trixbox) so it looks like to the customer that they are just 
> calling/contacting our support team. VoIP hasn't been a problem, but the 
> biggest PIA we see is faxes and credit card machines...modem and VoIP 
> are not great combinations...it works but sometimes can be a pain.
> 
> Basically we just run VoIP to an ATA at the customer location and then 
> just hand off either an analog or digital line that ties into their 
> existing Key/PBX, so for the customer they really don't see any change 
> except a lower monthly bill.
> 
> One thing you do need to do is tell the analog customers that they will 
> lose phone if there is no power...amazing how many customers just don't 
> understand that concept; guess a 100 years of running on copper have set 
> thier ways. I won't deny that we sometimes recommend the customer keep 
> one copper line as an emergency if they are concern with loss of phone 
> during power outages.
> 
> Bret
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Are you talking about hunt groups? If so it works identical to Att. Say a 
business has a main line and 3 roll over lines. If someone calls the main line 
and it is busy it automatically rolls to line 2 or 3 or 4. No waiting. If there 
is no answer on any of the rollover lines it will roll back to the main line 
voice mail.  

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:

> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from 
> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines where 
> a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox can do 
> line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first line in 
> the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found to be 
> busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal line 
> pool.
> 
> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> 
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have 
>> our company name. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>>> are not the provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
>>>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a 
>>>> call from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>>>> provider?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks-
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>>>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>>>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>>>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>>>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
>>>>>>> etc.  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
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>>>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

You have to get them to enable hunting. It's not the same as forwarding. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Chuck Bartosch  wrote:

> How do you handle the line pool problem? It's the only issue keeping me from 
> going to Vox for business customers-most businesses have multiple lines where 
> a customer calls in and gets whatever line is free in the pool. Vox can do 
> line forwarding, but that means the customer has to call the first line in 
> the forwarding sequence and there's a delay while each line is found to be 
> busy before it's forwarded (I assume), so it isn't the same as normal line 
> pool.
> 
> Would love a practical solution to this problem.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> 
>> Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
>> Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
>> lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have 
>> our company name. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
>>> are not the provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
>>>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a 
>>>> call from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>>>> provider?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks-
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>>>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>>>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>>>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>>>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, 
>>>>>>> etc.  What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Everything we use is branded in our name including the LOA's and the portal. 
Vox handles everything up front during the setup process. Since 95% of our 
lines are ported from other companies it was important for this to all have our 
company name. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> If you use VOX, do you still have to do all the FCC stuff, since you
> are not the provider?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
>> business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call 
>> from anyone complaining about voice quality b
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>> provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks-
>>> Ryan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>>>>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Qos has never been much of an issue. We have successfully implemented voip on 
our wimax, Comcast, suddenlink, and dsl. I do have to say that it is excellent 
over dsl. I won't put more than 5 lines on dsl due to the upload limitation. 
The larges single customer I have has 28 lines over Comcast. The largest over 
our wimax is 22 lines. We do use DSCP 46 over our network to prioritize the 
voip traffic. Butch's qos has worked excellent for that.  

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:

> Re local company to partner with.  We're looking closely at that option as a 
> preferred course of action for those hard to measure reasons (value of local 
> contact, vested interest in local biz community, etc).
> 
> Re qos.  We have a solid network and know where we can support voice and 
> where we can't.  We successfully implement appropriate qos for customers who 
> require it, including two call centers, one at 140 seats and one at 300 seats.
> 
> How do you handle support?  Custom acd, dial plans, etc.  I assume your voip 
> partner implements, but what support is yours to deal with, and where do you 
> hand off at?
> 
> Ryan
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> 
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> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:
> 
>> We partnered with a small VoIP company that is local in our area and 
>> resell the service as our own to businesses only. It has worked well for 
>> us, but I strongly recommend that you implement some type of QoS for the 
>> VoIP packets...at least if you're dealing with businesses.
>> 
>> Bret
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/11/2010 07:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
>>> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current 
>>> provider?
>>> 
>>> Thanks-
>>> Ryan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>>>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>>>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>>>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>>>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price.
>>>> 
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>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>>>>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Tried Telemedium. They were horrible. As a matter of fact they are out of 
business now. We use VOX. They are a wispa member. I have yet to get a call 
from anyone complaining about voice quality b

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:

> Whose service do you use?  Who if anyone did you try before current provider?
> 
> Thanks-
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> 
>> Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet 
>> usually and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, 
>> webhosting, data backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we 
>> definitely aren't the cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but 
>> sales didn't take off until we raised our price. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
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>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
>>> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> 
>>> Ryan
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] making money from voip

[Jeremie Chism]

Our approach is white label to business only bundled with our Internet usually 
and other Internet outside of our coverage. We include email, webhosting, data 
backup with all packages to make us "sticky". Also we definitely aren't the 
cheapest. We went that route in the beginning but sales didn't take off until 
we raised our price. 

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Ryan Goldberg  wrote:

> Curious what models you guys are working.  Hosted PBX, white label, etc.  
> What approach for SMB v. residential v enterprise.  And so on.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Jeremie Chism]

It never fails. We usually have atleast 30 411 calls and one 911 call. 

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On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:40 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo  
> wrote:
> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad 
> played...  after all its free.   But man that was painful  then they try 
> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one key 
> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
> 
> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
> 
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
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> From: "Nick" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
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> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
> 
> On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> 
>> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going away. 
>>  Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to your 
>> telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?
>> 
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
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Re: [WISPA] SAF Radios

[Jeremie Chism]

Baltic networks

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On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

> I'm willing to bet LMG does.
> 
> Mind if I ask why you need someone besides 3db?
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> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:52 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
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> What companies sell the SAF 24GHz radio besides 3-Db?
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