Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I'm for opening it up to PtMP use coupled with the SAS system.

There's the potential for getting fancy and using your own PtP license 
for PtMP use within your part 101 protection zone (or whatever it's 
called).  Someone else tried to make something like this happen with 
11GHz a few years ago.  You get a part 101 license for a 11GHz path, but 
you can use short-range PtMP on the same channel from the same tx site.  
I think this was hard/impractical to do at the time, but it might be 
possible/easier with the magical SAS running things in the background.

-Kristian

On 06/07/2017 02:34 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> For 6Ghz it would likely be a coordinated system similar to the SAS system 
> planned for CBRS but without the ESC portion.  The coordination from the SAS 
> would protect existing users and links.  I would expect to see a professional 
> installer requirement similar to CBRS rules.   Part 101 is a small part of 
> the potentially available spectrum between 5900 and 7200.   There are plenty 
> of other users that would need to be protected as well.  Whatever happens 
> here isn't going to be true unlicensed spectrum.
>
> My question earlier was more general than just the 6Ghz space.   There are 
> other frequency bands can be looked at for PTMP that can make use of a SAS 
> type of system to allow multiple uses of currently underutilized spectrum, 
> but they all have some form of incumbent.  The TV Whitespace rules are 
> largely useless because the NAB tried so hard to protect its turf that the 
> rules make it very difficult to use for PTMP.I don't believe we should be 
> shutting down anything that can get us more PTMP space but should instead be 
> supporting proposals that protect what we have while finding additional ways 
> to reach customers.
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43447
> 419-261-5996
>
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/7/17 11:44, David Jones wrote:
>>> If its to be part 15 how will the 6ghz be protected? don't we now have
>>> problems in the DFS from people who don't know or don't care?
>>
>> I still want to able to coordinate new part 101 6GHz links. That band
>> should not be removed from the box of tools WISPs have for licensed links.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las 
Vegas in 2005...

Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz 
channel, etc...
John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
John: 2007.
Me: Have you ever tested that?
John: No.
Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.

*sigh*

-Kristian

On 02/03/2017 11:50 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Don't believe anything any vendor says, if they say 100 users, make sure of 
> that.  Etc.
>
>
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> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions
>
> Penny wise pound foolish.
>
> Yes don't get caught up in the holy grail of wireless hype.
>
> On Fri, February 3, 2017 1:20 pm, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> Or that.  Or get caught up in bleeding edge, "holy grail" sales hype.
>>
>>
>> Don Spaulding wrote:
>>
>>> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>>>
 We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
 document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
 http://www.auwireless.net/blog/ 


 This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to

>>> start a
 WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
 mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
 fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we
>>> grow,
 it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to
>>> grow
 and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions
>>> early on
 that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
 stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.

 Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different

>>> vendors in
 our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
 our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best
>>> hardware
 because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
 testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
 for this purpose.

 This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the

>>> community and
 forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
 finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you
>>> make
 good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for
>>> decades
 and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
 embarrassed to share and advise us.


 On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
 mailto:mark.limeho...@gmail.com>

>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
 I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
 within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this

>>> into a
 solid business model that I can build and expand eventually.
>>> I am
>>>
 taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
 pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
 provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up
>>> their
 suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of
>>> detail?

 Thanks in advance!


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Re: [WISPA] Meanwell DIn rail power supplies

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I prefer the Traco for higher wattage power supplies.  TSP360-124 for 
360W or TSP600-124 for 600W.  You can pair either with the TSP-BCM24A to 
add the charging functionality.  These are both DIN rail mount.  
Footprint-wise, you get more W/space than the Meanwell DR series.

Regarding the SD vs RSD DC-DC converters, the SD series has auto-shutoff 
over-current protection.  The inrush caused by licensed PtP and other 
high wattage radios is known to trip this protection, causing them to 
shut off.  The RSD has current limiting over-current protection, so it 
clamps at max amperage instead of freaking out and shutting off.

-Kristian

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> I know this has been covered a bazillion times but i couldn't find the 
> threads.
>
> I don't need UPS capability. Was there a specific Meanwell line to watch out 
> for?
>
> Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Right, so you can scrape the data from /proc, iwinfo, or wherever else, 
you can push that back to the server using some kind of HTTP call.  It 
just depends on what's handy and what they've included in their busybox 
build.  Like...


#!/bin/sh

cat /proc/net/wireless | grep ath | sed 's/[ ]\+/,/g' | while read 
ATHSTAT; do

  wget -O /dev/null "http://gcserver/stat?dev=foo&athstats=$ATHSTAT";
done


-Kristian

On 12/03/2014 01:21 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The idea is that we're going to pull stuff from the radios that aren't 
even exposed via the GUIs...

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/03/2014 12:14 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
For at least MikroTik and Ubnt devices, you could push the stats from 
the device to the server with a REST call using wget and /tool fetch, 
respectively.  For everything else, you're probably going to have to 
just poll with SNMP, which isn't (shouldn't be) terrible and would be 
the most widely supported approach.


-Kristian

On 12/03/2014 01:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Mmmm there's still ssh keys in devices that are used for C&C to AC2 
severs. They did build a "custom protocol" that runs inside that 
tunnel though.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/03/2014 12:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I 
thought they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to 
be more efficient.



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on 
behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the 
provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem 
collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use 
groundcontrol to initially connect/provision the units first to 
exchange SSH keys, and you'd want it to be on a different ip that 
your previous aircontrol server.


A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server 
on the same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were 
previously provisioned will always try to connect to the old 
ip/server,which causes quite a bit of arp traffic.


 one thing I'd like to do is create a "cleanup tool" for that, 
though pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess 
"manually" in the past.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some 
of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for 
aircontrol?  It's nice to have subscriber units "phone home."



On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses
their own software might offer something.

Mike Hammett wrote:

Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care
what you want. This is what you get."



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Josh Reynolds"
*To: *"WISPA General List", "Ubiquiti Users
Group",a...@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project

For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new
project yesterday.

https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.

We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server,
and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.

The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a
possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to
observium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that
comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features
and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this
project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.

If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation,
ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and
for the WISP community. Thank you!
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Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

[Kristian Hoffmann]

For at least MikroTik and Ubnt devices, you could push the stats from 
the device to the server with a REST call using wget and /tool fetch, 
respectively.  For everything else, you're probably going to have to 
just poll with SNMP, which isn't (shouldn't be) terrible and would be 
the most widely supported approach.


-Kristian

On 12/03/2014 01:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Mmmm there's still ssh keys in devices that are used for C&C to AC2 
severs. They did build a "custom protocol" that runs inside that 
tunnel though.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/03/2014 12:07 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I 
thought they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to be 
more efficient.



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on 
behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]

*Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the 
provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem 
collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use 
groundcontrol to initially connect/provision the units first to 
exchange SSH keys, and you'd want it to be on a different ip that 
your previous aircontrol server.


A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server on 
the same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were previously 
provisioned will always try to connect to the old ip/server,which 
causes quite a bit of arp traffic.


 one thing I'd like to do is create a "cleanup tool" for that, 
though pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess 
"manually" in the past.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some 
of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for 
aircontrol?  It's nice to have subscriber units "phone home."



On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses
their own software might offer something.

Mike Hammett wrote:

Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care
what you want. This is what you get."



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Josh Reynolds"
*To: *"WISPA General List", "Ubiquiti Users
Group",a...@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project

For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new
project yesterday.

https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol

Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.

We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server,
and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.

The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a
possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to
observium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that
comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features
and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this
project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.

If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation,
ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and
for the WISP community. Thank you!
--
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Yerp...

http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/california

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 03:51 PM, Brian Wilson wrote:

There's a California list?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:


Cool.  I'll set something up.  Are you guys all on the California
list?

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 11:55 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Totally should!



On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:

We should have a mini-meet at the black bear, since we all
seem to be close enough to smell the same stink. ;-)

-Kristian


On 11/14/2014 11:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right
at that intersection next to the sugar factory and train
tracks.

Moo.

-Mike


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns
mailto:t...@cv-access.com>> wrote:

Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards
The smell is most likely residual...
*From:* Mike Lyon <mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell
like a bathroom.

Think they accidentally swapped the names...

    On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann"
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:

A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit)
which sits on the county line, and about an hour
from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm
missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…
Gino A. Villarini
President
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From: John Thomas mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service
Looking for 10 meg
1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Kristian Hoffmann]

No kidding, and there's even more lurking out there.  :-)

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 12:44 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Damn! How many WISPs are out there in the valley?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


We have Manteca covered easily at that speed. Feel free to contact
me off list.

Chris Wright

Velociter Wireless 

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org

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Looking for 10 meg

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.

Manteca, CA 95337

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Cool.  I'll set something up.  Are you guys all on the California list?

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 11:55 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Totally should!



On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:


We should have a mini-meet at the black bear, since we all seem to
be close enough to smell the same stink. ;-)

-Kristian


On 11/14/2014 11:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at
that intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks.

Moo.

-Mike


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns mailto:t...@cv-access.com>> wrote:

Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards
The smell is most likely residual...
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*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
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Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a
bathroom.

Think they accidentally swapped the names...

    On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann"
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:

A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which
sits on the county line, and about an hour from Los Banos
(the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing some, buts omeone
sure had a sense of humor.

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
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From: John Thomas mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service
Looking for 10 meg
1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We should have a mini-meet at the black bear, since we all seem to be 
close enough to smell the same stink. ;-)


-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 11:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:
Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that 
intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks.


Moo.

-Mike


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns <mailto:t...@cv-access.com>> wrote:


Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards
The smell is most likely residual...
*From:* Mike Lyon <mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a
bathroom.

Think they accidentally swapped the names...

On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann" mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:

A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on
the county line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the
bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing some, buts omeone sure had a
sense of humor.

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…
Gino A. Villarini
President
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www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr
From: John Thomas mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service
Looking for 10 meg
1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337
/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I think that particular smell comes from Tracy, which, well, I'll stop 
there.


I wonder if Brendan Fraiser ever drove down I-5 and said "Estan los banos!"

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 11:07 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:


Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom.

Think they accidentally swapped the names...

On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann" <mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:


A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the
county line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms). 
I'm sure I'm missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.


-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
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From: John Thomas mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service

Looking for 10 meg

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Kristian Hoffmann]

A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county 
line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm 
missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.


-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
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From: John Thomas mailto:jtho...@quarnet.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List >

Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service

Looking for 10 meg

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/


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Re: [WISPA] UB8D voltage usually seen?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

See the state of charge chart at the bottom of this page...

http://www.trojanbattery.com/BatteryMaintenance/Testing.aspx

Short answer, though, 12.0V is about 50% charge for a 12V battery that's 
just sitting on the shelf with no load/charge.  Fully charged is 12.73V 
or higher.  If you're talking about under charge, the float voltage is 
about 13.8V depending on temperature and type of battery.


-Kristian


On 11/03/2014 11:44 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:


Howdy!

On these UB8D 12vdc batteries, would you expect to see 12vdc or 
something closer to 13.8 like you would with a car battery?


Thanks,
Mike



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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Fair enough.  So, where tl_2010_06_bg10.shp is the tigerlines file for 
CA from the 2010 census (I think)...


$ ogrinfo -so tl_2010_06_bg10.shp tl_2010_06_bg10

INFO: Open of `tl_2010_06_bg10.shp'
  using driver `ESRI Shapefile' successful.

Layer name: tl_2010_06_bg10
Geometry: Polygon
Feature Count: 23212
Extent: (-124.482003, 32.528832) - (-114.131211, 42.009517)
Layer SRS WKT:
GEOGCS["GCS_North_American_1983",
DATUM["North_American_Datum_1983",
SPHEROID["GRS_1980",6378137,298.257222101]],
PRIMEM["Greenwich",0],
UNIT["Degree",0.017453292519943295]]
STATEFP10: String (2.0)
COUNTYFP10: String (3.0)   <-County FIPS code
TRACTCE10: String (6.0)
BLKGRPCE10: String (1.0)
GEOID10: String (12.0)
NAMELSAD10: String (13.0)
MTFCC10: String (5.0)
FUNCSTAT10: String (1.0)
ALAND10: Real (14.0)
AWATER10: Real (14.0)
INTPTLAT10: String (11.0)
INTPTLON10: String (12.0)

COUNTYFP10 is the county FIPS code.  So to limit the output by county, 
say Alameda which has a county FIPS code of 001 (these are in wikipedia 
and other sites, just google)...


ogr2ogr -f KML test.kml tl_2010_06_bg10.shp -where "COUNTYFP10 = '001'"

That results in a 2MB KML file which loads fine for me.  The where 
clause is just SQL, so you can put whatever criteria you want, or 
multiple counties with "COUNTYFP10 in('001','002',...)"


Failing that, uDig is a pretty cool (and free) GIS tool that lets you 
perform basic GIS functions, like union.


GIS! Where there's a geek, there's a way! ;-)

-Kristian

On 08/11/2014 11:45 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

Kristian et al,

While the ogr2ogr would work, this would require having the blocks in 
individual shape files if you wanted only a few. I think you can only 
get them as a shape (for free anyway) by whole state...could be wrong. 
That would either create a very large kml, which may not load in a 
google map, or could eat a lot of memory in google earth. i.e. Texas 
has almost 1 million blocks. I'm not sure you could load that many 
objects into either program although I haven't tried. Using a GIS tool 
to only select the ones you need and export to KML might be a better 
approach for those only needing a few blocks mapped. It might be well 
worth the time to have Brian or another GIS competent person do it for 
you.



On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:


Specifically...

ogr2ogr -f output.kml input.shp

-Kristian


On 08/11/2014 09:00 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

ogr2ogr will do all sorts of Geo formats, geojson, tiger shape,
kml, kmz.


On 08/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?



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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Specifically...

ogr2ogr -f output.kml input.shp

-Kristian

On 08/11/2014 09:00 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

ogr2ogr will do all sorts of Geo formats, geojson, tiger shape, kml, kmz.


On 08/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?



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Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Regarding the suspect "looks a lot better," my suggestion would be bring 
a laptop that you can use to access your network remotely and, while 
you're all there looking at their analyzers, turn off and/or change 
channels on your radios.  It will be harder to make flippant subjective 
calls like that in a group.  If you can show that a minor channel change 
makes a difference, or better yet that you're not really the interferer, 
then you may end up with a workable solution. On the flip side, it could 
backfire and it really is "lots better" with your radios off.  Just like 
the TDWR interference in Vegas, it seems that cooperation in finding the 
cause, and fixing it, will go a long way and avoid the shotgun approach.


-Kristian

On 06/12/2014 11:23 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
Thats going to be something we bring up at the meeting.  Its going to 
boil down to a they say vs we say - who do you think is going to lose 
that battle?  They are claiming a radio operating on 5795 on 20Mhz 
channel will interfere with their radar on 5765 with about a 1Mhz 
channel width.  Further-more, the RFI they are getting on 5765 is not 
from the radar, its from a beacon the radar interrogates on a space 
launch vehicle so in other words - the radar only listens on this freq.
If they say my radio on 5800Mhz is interfering with their 5765Mhz 
beacon who gets involved with resolving that?  I think the guys that 
work there are nice fellas, but I conducted my own test during our 
testing.  I turned a radio off, they said - oh looks a lot better. 
 Sounded suspect to me.  Next radio I said ok its off (didn't change 
anything - again it was a test) and they said ok lots better...  They 
just want them all off without regards of the true scientific 
difference.  If FCC is going to get involved they need to just issue a 
notice in this area and specify what they believe needs to happen to 
resolve this - not just go on whatever the radar operator says 
 IMO   I believe we could all co-exist with a notch cut out from 5755 
to 5775.  At least thats somewhat reasonable for us if not still 
difficult to enforce for the general public buying 5Ghz APs from wal 
mart

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


*From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
*Sent*: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:49 PM
*To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep 
using 5630-5800 Mhz

If your radio is causing interference to a licensed radio they have --
they can say shut it down. Otherwise a request of "shut everything down
on the band" I don't think holds water

On 6/12/14, 1:31 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> Update Last week we (along with other RF users in the community)
> were invited to the AFB to meet the folks that run the radar there and
> to see the spectrum analyzer screens. During this meeting, it was
> discussed that what the AF was trying to accomplish was to remove all
> users within 60Km from using 5630-5800Mhz. It was discussed that this
> seemed to be a doomed request because of the sheer number of users in
> the spectrum within such a large geographical area. How would they
> remove all users from this spectrum, even within several miles of the
> radar... lots of hotels, condos, businesses etc... literally thousands
> of them. I'm not sure if they are going after the low hanging
> identifiable fruit or if they really plan on going door to door... They
> said things were sort of in a holding pattern with the FCC because they
> were contacted by a WISPA rep and others and there were some discussions
> going on above our pay grade locally.
>
> Well, here we are today. I guess the outcome of those meetings was that
> we need to stop using the spectrum identified. Here is the email sent
> from the FCC field officer to the local range folks that was forwarded
> to me:
>
> ===
> FROM: FCC Agent
> TO: CONNOLLEY, SCOTT D GS-13 USAF AFSPC 45 SCS/SCOT
>
> Subject: Meeting to discuss Interference to Radar at Patrick AFB
>
> Scott, I've reviewed your report concerning radio interference
> to a C-Band (5 GHz) tracking
> radar at Patrick AFB. I understand that you have contacted
> several of the Wireless Internet
> Service Providers (WISP's) in the area to advise them of the
> problem and have been met with
> some resistance to assist you.
> I would like to have a meeting with you and the WISP's to
> discuss this problem and open up a
> discussion as to what steps can be taken to find a solution.
> WISP's operate under Part 15 of the FCC Rules and may not
> cause harmful interference.
> 47 C.F.R. § 15.5 General conditions of operation.
> (a) Persons operating intentional or unintentional radiators
> shall not be deemed to have any
> vested or recognizable right to continued use of any given
> frequency by virtue of prior
> registration or certification of equipment, or, for powe

Re: [WISPA] Shielded enclosure for Rockets

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I was looking for a link to the WaveGuard and saw the RockShield.  
Interesting.  ISP Supplies says they have them in stock...


http://www.ispsupplies.com/categories/Outdoor-Enclosures/RF-Elements-RockShield.html

-Kristian

On 05/12/2014 12:20 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:


http://www.rfelements.com/en/products/shields/rockshield/

Not sure how close they are to being in distribution.  They were 
showing them at Little Rock.


*Steve Barnes*

General Manager

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman

*Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2014 3:17 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Shielded enclosure for Rockets

I'm using non Ubnt antennas and looking for a shielded enclosure where 
I can mount a Rocket easier.  Right now I'm using the same thing for MTs:


http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SBX-ALU

This box doesn't have an easier mount for a Rocket and overall a bit 
clumsy/heavy for a Rocket.


I'm not using Rocket Titaniums at this time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs

[Kristian Hoffmann]

The key for Comcast is to make sure your contract says intra-state and 
not inter-state for the tax jurisdiction.  They don't collect USF on 
intra-state circuits, only local city/county/state taxes as applicable.  
If your contract says inter-state (and it isn't inter-state), you can 
harass your sales rep into getting a change order done.  If it's 
intra-state and they still collect USF, then make the appropriate stink 
with your sales rep.


-Kristian

On 04/15/2014 03:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Oh really?  Comcast wants to charge me 16% USF on a point to point to 
carry Internet traffic.


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 15, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > wrote:



hmmm.. not quite accurate...

Internet Freedom Act was updated to allow for taxes not to apply 
to internet access as well as communication circuits carrying 
internet access.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





*From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
*To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:12:00 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for  WISPs

I believe the reason you are being taxed is because this is a
transport and not an internet circuit.

As far as I know the internet freedom act only applies to
Internet access.

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:19 PM, "Tom DeReggi"
mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>> wrote:

Guys,
I've been out of the loop for a couple years, regarding
current status of CAF/USF/Tax requirements for WISPs.  I was
surprised when I recieved my first bill from my new upstream
fiber provider.
(they are a dark fiber provider, recently expanded to also
offer metro ethernet IP)
Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor Last
mile Fiber. I am just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber Transport
data link.
So I consider this a wholesale component or infrastructure
component, not an End User Internet circuit.
In the past, my Fiber providers never charged me any Taxes or
USF.
I was under the impression that as a WISP (Im not a CLEC)
providing Broadband only services, I didnt need to collect or
pay into USF, CAF, or State Taxes. And further, my Upstream
should be exempt from having to pay and/or collect such fees
from me. If so, I need to provide legal documentation to
support my claim to my upstream.
THe new fiber provider is trying to charge me
The Federal USF stated was about 16.5% of monthly fiber cost.
The VA Communication Tax was about 6% of monthly fiber cost.
The Property Tax / Franchise/Row Recovery Fees 0.08% of
monthly fiber cost.
First, I thought it was federal law that Broadband can not be
taxed by the State.
Second, the USF amount stated was 16.5%, but in the
past, when USF was applicable it was  always only around 6%.
Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor Last
mile Fiber. I am just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber Transport
data link.
So I consider this a wholesale component or infrastructure
component, not an End User Internet circuit.
So questions are
1) Am I exempt as a WISP.
2) Is there a standard government form I can provide to my
uptream, to document my exemption (similar to use tax resell
certificate)
3) Is CAF in effect now (Broadband providers paying into USF)
and if so, what is the current % rate?
4) Does it matter how my upstream classifies themselves
versus how I classify myself? (for example, if they've
obtained CLEC status or not, or im not a CLEC).
5) Does it matter how I use the circuit?
6) Any specific FCC code to point to, that specifies this
clearly?
Figured Id ask, before I go searching through regulation code.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
301-515-7774
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

  
  
Ya, I don't mean to discourage anyone
  from using your product.  The features are really cool.  I've just
  been doing it myself since the NTIA mapping stuff started, so I
  haven't needed to.  I'll check it out anyway.
  
  Thanks,
  
  -Kristian
  
  On 04/09/2014 01:57 PM, Jim Patient wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
You
are correct Kristian,
 
Towercoverage.com
is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the difference
is multithreading on the CPUs.  Roger has wrote a special
exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for
rendering on each server.  We basically round robin the 20
processing servers.  That is why we can render the maps in
around 60 seconds as opposed to hours.
 
If
you or anyone else hasen’t tried it your welcome to try it
free.  Just sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account
settings.
 
Ya’ll
are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk
you through it and/or help with tweaking the settings.
 
Thx,
 
Jim
Patient
Office:
314-735-0270
towercoverage.com

linktechs.net
wlan1.com

 
 
 
 

  
From:
wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian
Hoffmann
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using
Towercoverage.com ?
  

 

  The limitation you're seeing of having to
add another site to change the rx elevation is because
calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. 
Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair
amount of computing power, to the point that even on really
fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and
cached.  So, there's no "dynamically" changing the elevation
of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and cache a
series of rx elevations and let you select from those
choices.  But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15,
25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they
have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage
maps.

Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat!
instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the
algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all
use Longley Rice, last time I checked).

The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're
asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but
I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA
2012.

-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


  
What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?
  
  

  

  
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

  On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt
Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com>
wrote:
  

  Signals don't change as you
increment heights. You're asking for real time
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 


  

  
On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:


  

  I'm not talking about
customers plotting where their address is.
 What I'm getting at is if I have a customer
called in, I'd like to just punch in the
location and then see if they'll work at
ground level or how high we need to get off

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Dunno.  Like I said, I've never used towercoverage.com.  I was just 
making some assumptions based on what Josh was saying.


-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed?



-
Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Kristian Hoffmann" 
*To: *wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change 
the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is 
relatively easy.  Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a 
fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast 
hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's 
no "dynamically" changing the elevation of your plot.  At best, they 
could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select 
from those choices.  But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 
25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to 
store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps.


Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead 
of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and 
computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last 
time I checked).


The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was 
the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or 
seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.


-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
wrote:

Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking
for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.

On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their
address is.  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer
called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then
see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to
get off the ground and see the signal change as I
increment height.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If
need help can walk u through later today. Our websire
customer lookup...
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from
Radio Mobile.  There's all the same "stupid"
interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know
what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
site and putting them in the same list.  I feel
with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so
convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see
what the signal would be from a tower while being
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for
this service, too.  There's no way I'm going write
a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make
a whole lot of sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the 
rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively 
easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of 
computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it 
needs to be done ahead of time and cached.  So, there's no "dynamically" 
changing the elevation of your plot.  At best, they could pre-plot and 
cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices.  
But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that 
would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and 
potentially everyone's) coverage maps.


Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial.  I use Splat! instead of 
RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational 
complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked).


The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the 
guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen 
anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012.


-Kristian

On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What?  Have you ever used Radio Mobile?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:


Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for
real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.

On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:


I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
 What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like
to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at
ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see
the signal change as I increment height.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com>> wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need
help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer
lookup...
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223&Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, "Josh Luthman"
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio
Mobile.  There's all the same "stupid" interface
shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's
CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in
the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it
shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map
and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this
service, too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of
questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of
sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] OT Time Clocks...

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Check out TimeTrex.  There's a free/community edition, and the paid 
version is pretty reasonable and has an Android/iOS app, job costing, 
etc.  The setup, especially if you have to shoehorn existing policies 
into it, can be a little arduous.  But after that, it just works.

hth,

-Kristian

On 03/31/2014 03:39 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> OK  This is a little off topic as far as wireless goes but
>
> I am looking for a time clock to keep track of employee time. Presently
> we are on the honor system (and I don't have a problem with that...just
> too much manual labor for the bookkeeper) and they mark down their own
> time on a sheet.  At the end of the pay period someone has to retrieve
> their time sheets, fax them to the office, and then add up the time,
> enter into Quickbooks and then print payroll.  The crews turn out at a
> remote site that is not part of the main office.
>
> Its time to work smarter not harder.
>
> I am looking for a time clock that can be connected to the Internet at
> the warehouse and all time info will be accessible remotely.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Tnx
>
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Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs

[Kristian Hoffmann]

It helps to include the word "static" in the PTR record.  At least one 
RBL uses this as a litmus test for whether or not IPs are static vs. 
dynamic, and will add your addresses en masse to their dynamic address 
block lists.  That is, if your give static IP addresses.


-Kristian

On 03/05/2014 01:16 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Is it customary to provide rDNS for all customer public IP addresses? 
We just had a complaint of one particular website running very slow, 
our customer contacted the website owner who said it was because we 
needed to "fix" our rDNS. The website acts like it must be doing a 
rDNS lookup and waiting for it to time out before serving a page.


We've not ever had this configured for customer IPs before. Are we 
supposed to?



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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 02/14/2014 03:08 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

LOUD NOISES



I don't know what we're yelling about!

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Re: [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

It's precision vs accuracy vs not worth the trouble to try rendering a 
30MB KML when a 30K one will do.


-Kristian

On 12/02/2013 12:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I did simplify my map to take it from about 3.2 megs down to 400 KB. 
The differences are noticeable, but not significant.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Kristian Hoffmann" 
*To: *wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 2, 2013 2:45:47 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

Someone from Ubnt suggested using QGIS to "smooth" the KML before 
uploading it.  I haven't tried it yet, but it's probably worth a 
shot.  Related article...


http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/25914/how-to-smooth-generalize-a-polygon-in-qgis

-Kristian

On 12/02/2013 12:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I've had issue with their system accepting my KMLs\GeoJSONs as
well. They map out other places, just not at UWN.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
*To: *"WISPA General List" 
*Sent: *Monday, December 2, 2013 2:13:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

Mike,

Currently UBNT's site don't accept the KMLs that we generate.   We
are working with them to directly import it into their system, but
they are saying they won't get to it till the end of the year..
:(  We are working with them, simply put, most of our maps have
more polygons than they are used to therefore their size limit
prevents most of our maps from being imported.. :)   But we are
working on it with them.  Our system is 99% done...

*_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of "Learn
RouterOS- Second Edition
<http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm>"
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 Office*: 314-735-0270  *Website*:
http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> -- *Skype*:
linktechs
*//**/-- Create Wireless Coverage's with /*www.towercoverage.com
<http://www.towercoverage.com/>*//*/--*900Mhz -- LTE -- 3G -- 3.65
-- TV Whitespace */

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Lyon
*Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 6:14 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

Anyone know if it's possible to export a KML out of Tower Coverage?

Thanks,

Mike


-- 


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408-621-4826

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Re: [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Someone from Ubnt suggested using QGIS to "smooth" the KML before 
uploading it.  I haven't tried it yet, but it's probably worth a shot.  
Related article...


http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/25914/how-to-smooth-generalize-a-polygon-in-qgis

-Kristian

On 12/02/2013 12:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've had issue with their system accepting my KMLs\GeoJSONs as well. 
They map out other places, just not at UWN.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
*To: *"WISPA General List" 
*Sent: *Monday, December 2, 2013 2:13:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

Mike,

Currently UBNT's site don't accept the KMLs that we generate.   We are 
working with them to directly import it into their system, but they 
are saying they won't get to it till the end of the year.. :(  We are 
working with them, simply put, most of our maps have more polygons 
than they are used to therefore their size limit prevents most of our 
maps from being imported..  :)   But we are working on it with them.  
Our system is 99% done...


*_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author of "Learn 
RouterOS- Second Edition 
"

 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 Office*: 314-735-0270  *Website*: 
http://www.linktechs.net  -- *Skype*: 
linktechs
*//**/-- Create Wireless Coverage's with /*www.towercoverage.com 
*//*/--*900Mhz -- LTE -- 3G -- 3.65 -- 
TV Whitespace */


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mike Lyon

*Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 6:14 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Possible to export KML out of Tower Coverage?

Anyone know if it's possible to export a KML out of Tower Coverage?

Thanks,

Mike


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408-621-4826

mike.l...@gmail.com 

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Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Sig is from an email a week ago.  Steve is old school I guess.

-Kristian

On 11/20/2013 11:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How old is that information?!  It has an AIM account!!!


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:


Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi
gear from these guys...

Steve Morrow
Sales Manager
Genesis Global Inc. --Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price!
Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105 
International Tel. -- 1-916-415-9900, x105

International Fax - 1-916-415-0110 
Email -- st...@gginetworks.com <mailto:st...@gginetworks.com>
Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com
AOL IM - GenesisGSteve



On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources
for refurb/used Juniper gear?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] Good source for refurb Juniper?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Don't know about Juniper, but I've gotten Cisco and old Marconi gear 
from these guys...


Steve Morrow
Sales Manager
Genesis Global Inc. --Network Equipment up to 99% off List Price!
Nationwide Tel. - 1-800-908-9665, x105
International Tel. -- 1-916-415-9900, x105
International Fax - 1-916-415-0110
Email -- st...@gginetworks.com
Website: http://www.genesisglobalinc.com
AOL IM - GenesisGSteve



On 11/20/2013 11:43 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


We are in the market for possibly 2 MX240 units, any good sources for 
refurb/used Juniper gear?


Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

If you just need a tuner...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.cohortor.gstrings

It works on guitars and violins, so I guess it'll work on your tower.  
Strange.

-Kristian

On 08/12/2013 10:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> You can use one of these:
> http://loosnaples.com/how-to-use-pt-series-tension-gauges
>
> Or do it by sound!
>
> All you  need is a small tape recorder and a 3 ft piece of 2 by 4 lumber.
>
> Cut two small blocks off the ends of the 2x4, and nail them to the ends
>of the long piece, on the side.  File or saw a "v" notch in the  small
> blocks, along the long axis, so the guy wires can sit in the  notches.
> This forms two bridges, so that when the 2x4 is placed agains  the guy
> wire, it can be "plucked" to produce a vibration.
>
> Now you need to "calibrate the instrument".  Take a piece of the  same
> guy  wire, hang it from any tree, tower, frame, swingset, anthing  you
> can find overhead that can support about 300 lbs.  Form a loop  in the
> guy to put your foot in.
>
> If you step in the loop and hang you will tension the guy to your
> weight. (say about 200 lbs).  While under tension, perhaps from a
> friend, place the 2x4 against the wire, and pluck it like a guitar
> string.  Record the tone on your tape recorder several times. Hint:
> placing the recorder directly on the 2x4 helps capture the tone.
>
> Now, while you tension your tower guys wires, place the 2x4 against the
>guys, and pluck them in the same way, listening to the tape recorded
> tone. When the tension is the same as your weight, the tones will be
> equal.
>
> If you want to double the tension to twice your weight (say to 400 lbs),
>the tone will have to be twice the frequency. There are several ways
> to  do this.
>
> One is to make another bridge from a notched block of wood,  and place
> it at 1/2 of the original separation distance. Another (if  you have a
> sound card and microphone) is to use your computer to measure the
> frequency, and then produce one with  twice that frequency with a tone
> generator.  Record that frequency on your tape recorder,
> and use it in  the field for the 400 lb "note"
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 8/12/13 1:17 PM, Andris Bjornson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm looking for a field expedient (read "not requiring fancy tension
>> meters and special equipment") to evaluate whether guy wires on towers
>> are undertensioned.
>>
>> I'm currently deploying a wireless project in Northern Uganda on
>> locally fabricated towers.  The engineer who built the towers is very
>> good, and was able to provide structural calculations for each tower.
>> He does very nice work, and by and large I'm very happy with the
>> product.
>>
>> Someone has mentioned a method to me in the past involving plucking
>> guy wires and watching the pulse ratebut I didn't get any numbers
>> on what's good and what's bad.
>>
>> Any help greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Andris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Dumping old trango gear

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Not worth the trouble.

On 12/27/2012 12:24 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Ebay?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:20 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Dumping old trango gear
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have ~100 "like used, slighly broken" Trango Atlas Fox SU's (M5580M-FSU).  
> If anyone wants them, email me an offer.  Otherwise they're going to ewaste.  
> I have a few boots and WB stingers too, and
> 900 AP/SUs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kristian
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[WISPA] Dumping old trango gear

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi guys,

I have ~100 "like used, slighly broken" Trango Atlas Fox SU's 
(M5580M-FSU).  If anyone wants them, email me an offer.  Otherwise 
they're going to ewaste.  I have a few boots and WB stingers too, and 
900 AP/SUs.

Thanks,

-Kristian
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Can you reveal your source?

-Kristian

On 10/17/2012 06:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:


II was told NO!! <27VDC

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi <http://www.rcwifi.com/>

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*On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v?

Greg

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves <mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net>> wrote:


Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side,
the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from
the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo <mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree
> I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the 
parallel

> segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the
> installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will
> work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery
> cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop 
from

> 12v will be negligible
>
> So this is how it would be:
> 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v 
batteries
> connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the 
parallel
> segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest 
of the

> load connected to the charge controller at 24v
>
> What do you think?
>
> - - -
> Olufemi Adalemo
> M: +234-803-5610040
> M: +234-809-8610040
> f...@adalemo.com <mailto:f...@adalemo.com>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>

> wrote:
>>
>> Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew 
up then

>> there was probably a short somewhere.
>>
>> -Kristian
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:
>>
>> Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
>> I will check though they swear that they did
>>
>>
>> - - -
>> Olufemi Adalemo
>> M: +234-803-5610040 
>> M: +234-809-8610040 
>> f...@adalemo.com <mailto:f...@adalemo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman
>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> 
wrote:

>>>
>>> What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v but
>>> without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin 
discharging.
>>> If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected 
wrong, not

>>> that the voltage was too high.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo 
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>>

>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's your typical config for the NSM5?
>>>> Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no
>>>> charger connected just battery) and it fried good
>>>>
>>>> - - -
>>>> Olufemi Adalemo
>>>> M: +234-803-5610040 
>>>> M: +234-809-8610040 
>>>> f...@adalemo.com <mailto:f...@adalemo.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>>

>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 
27.6V.
>>>>> The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that 
won't power

>>>>> on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage
>>>>> protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kristian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged,
>>>>> it's usually 27v.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could
>>>>> reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8.  If it blew up 
then there was probably a short somewhere.


-Kristian

On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote:

Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right
I will check though they swear that they did


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M: +234-803-5610040
M: +234-809-8610040
f...@adalemo.com <mailto:f...@adalemo.com>




On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


What voltage were the batteries spitting out?  They charge at 27v
but without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin
discharging.  If it fried the radio I would first think that it
was connected wrong, not that the voltage was too high.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What's your typical config for the NSM5?
Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank
(no charger connected just battery) and it fried good

- - -
*Olufemi Adalemo*
M: +234-803-5610040 
M: +234-809-8610040 
f...@adalemo.com <mailto:f...@adalemo.com>




    On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
mailto:kh...@fire2wire.com>> wrote:

We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes
running at 27.6V. The only problems we've had are a
handful of freak RB411s that won't power on with >27V. 
Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage

protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.

-Kristian


On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that
need charged, it's usually 27v.

I was under the impression they would simply lock up and
you could reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Aha, thanks
That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
I guess the charge controller is not very good at
giving out 24v regulated power

- - -
*Olufemi Adalemo*
M: +234-803-5610040 
M: +234-809-8610040 
f...@adalemo.com <mailto:f...@adalemo.com>




On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be
around 27v which Ubnt won't like.  You'll need to
clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Need help,
I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by
a 24v solar supply.
Does anyone have experience with this? The
data sheet shows that it requires a 24v
supply however the POE injector supplied is
15v, do I need a DC to DC converter?

Best regards,
- - -
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M: +234-809-8610040 
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V.  
The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't 
power on with >27V.  Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into 
overvoltage protection until >28V, but we've come across a few odd balls.


-Kristian

On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged, 
it's usually 27v.


I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could 
reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo > wrote:


Aha, thanks
That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk
I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v
regulated power

- - -
*Olufemi Adalemo*
M: +234-803-5610040 
M: +234-809-8610040 
f...@adalemo.com 




On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

Yes you will.  The batteries will probably be around 27v which
Ubnt won't like.  You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the
batteries to 24v.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo
mailto:adal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Need help,
I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar
supply.
Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet
shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE
injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter?

Best regards,
- - -
*Olufemi Adalemo*
M: +234-803-5610040 
M: +234-809-8610040 
f...@adalemo.com 



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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2012 - Easy Maintenance through optimized design

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SESSION INFORMATION:
Easy Maintenance through optimized design (Business)
10/24/2012
Starting At 4:45:00 PM  and ending at 5:45:00 PM  in room TBD



On 10/02/2012 09:35 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

When?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:26 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2012 - Easy Maintenance through optimized design

We could use another panelist for the Easy Maintenance through optimized design 
session.  Particularly, if anyone has experience/practices they'd like to share 
on the cabling/tower design end, I think it will round out the presentation 
nicely.

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[WISPA] Wispapalooza 2012 - Easy Maintenance through optimized design

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We could use another panelist for the Easy Maintenance through optimized 
design session.  Particularly, if anyone has experience/practices they'd 
like to share on the cabling/tower design end, I think it will round out 
the presentation nicely.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Emergency Broadcast

[Kristian Hoffmann]

  
  
What about adding the IP address to a address list with
action="" and bypassing the rule if it matches
the list?  You could have the entry timeout every hour so people
would only get it once every hour.  I haven't thought it all the way
through, but it should be doable.

NGL, we're in the central valley, so let me know if you need a hand,
equipment, etc.  You have some neighboring WISPs on the California
list (califor...@wispa.org) that may be able to lend a hand as well.

-Kristian

On 08/16/12 12:39, Steve Barnes wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
No
you cannot force something on their normal screen.  But what
Josh was stating was you can setup a Redirection so that any
client that opens a browser and tries to go to a website
will be redirected to a site of your choice.  Now that works
good but that is all they would get.  Like Chris stated if
you have a Mikrotik in the line you can enable the hotspot
so that they would get a splash page for until the hit a
continue button.  Neither are a very good option.
 

  Steve Barnes
  General
  Manager
  PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi

 

  
From:
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of ~NGL~
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Emergency Broadcast
  

 

  I would
  like to send it out to all clients, to be seen on their
  monitor.



  NGL


  

  From:
  Steve Barnes 
  


  Sent:
  Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:15 PM


  To:
  WISPA General List
  


  Subject:
  Re: [WISPA] Emergency Broadcast

  
  
 
  
  What
  do you mean by emergency broadcast? Free service to any
  customer for a while or actually send out a communicating
  broadcast. If so how do you expect others to receive it.
   
  
Steve Barnes
General
Manager
PCS-WIN
  / RC-WiFi
  
   
  

  From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ~NGL~
  Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:09 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Emergency Broadcast

  
   
  
We just had a 8000 acre fire go through
  our area. Called the Wye Fire.  In fact it is only 75%
  contained at this time. I came within 1/2 mille of my main
  tower for that area. 450 families were forced to evacuate
  with very little notice/ The phone lines went down about 2
  hours prior to evacuation. There is no cell phone or
  television  service in the area.
  
  
What I would like to do is do an
  emergency broadcast from the AP's to the clients. Is this
  possible?
  
  
 
  
  
NGL
  
  
 
  
  

  

  


  If you
  can read this Thank A Teacher.
  And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!

  

  
   
  

  
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[WISPA] Outdoor ADSL POTS splitter

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

Does anyone have a good source for outdoor ADSL POTS splitters that they 
wouldn't mind sharing?

http://www.amazon.com/SUTTLE-SE-649A1-Outdoor-POTS-Splitter-SE-649A1/dp/B00171AJXY

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[WISPA] SECURITY ADVISORY – PHP VULNERABILITY

[Kristian Hoffmann]

See php.net for a quick vulnerability test.


For those of your running Plesk...

SECURITY ADVISORY – PHP VULNERABILITY

Parallels Customer,

Please read this message in its entirely and take the recommended actions.

An open source PHP security vulnerability was identified that impacts 
some of Parallels products. The goal of this email is to make you aware 
of the situation.

NOTE: This impacts Parallels Plesk Panel for Linux versions 9.0 - 9.2.3 
only.

Situation
The PHP Group and the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team 
(US-CERT) issued a vulnerability alert on 3 May that PHP-CGI-based 
setups contain vulnerability when parsing query string parameters from 
PHP files. You can find more information at the PHP's website. A 
permanent solution has not been provided by the Open Source PHP 
community as of 5 pm PDT on May 4, 2012.

Impact
A remote unauthenticated attacker could obtain sensitive information, 
cause a denial of service condition or may be able to execute arbitrary 
code with the privileges of the web server.

Parallels Products Impacted
Parallels Plesk Panel for Linux versions 9.0 - 9.2.3.

Solution/Call To Action
As per the Parallels Plesk Lifecycle Policy, these versions do not 
provide ongoing patch support. Having customers upgrade to the latest 
version of Parallels Plesk Panel will eliminate this vulnerability.

Parallels understands that it's not always practical for immediate 
upgrades, so we have provided a solution to fix this vulnerability. For 
the immediate solution, customers should read this knowledge base 
article for instructions: http://kb.parallels.com/en/113818

Customers are also strongly encouraged to subscribe to our support 
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Knowledge Base browser plug-in here.

Parallels takes the security of our customers very seriously and 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question..

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I don't know if this works for winbox sessions, but for ssh/telnet...

[admin@gw] /system script job> /system script job
[admin@gw] /system script job> print
  # SCRIPT   OWNER STARTED
  0  admin jan/23/2012 19:45:24
  1  admin jan/23/2012 19:45:30
[admin@gw] /system script job> remove 0
interrupted
Connection to gw closed.


I use the same thing to detect multiple instances automated upgrade 
scripts.  The "script" value will match the name from /system script if 
you call it with /system script run or :execute.

-Kristian


On 01/23/2012 08:43 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Anyone know on how to disconnect a remote winbox user or ssh user via
> command line on a Mikrotik ?
>
> Thanks.
>



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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

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Hi,

I've been eyeing torrus for a while, but I just ran across this demo 
integration with torrus, SIAM, and Extopus...

http://demo.oetiker.torrus.net/

SIAM is a perl library for abstracting service data in a way that it can 
be collected and aggregated from multiple monitoring systems (torrus, in 
this case).  Extopus is the front end that will take data from SIAM, and 
as a result, anything that you can integrate with SIAM.

If you're thinking custom, I'd say this is would be a good place to 
start.  If you could write a SIAM driver for pmacct, you may be well on 
your way.

Regards,

-Kristian

On 12/28/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote:
> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any
> success stories?
>


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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Surge Arrestor Bank

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On 11/16/2011 08:21 AM, Daniel White wrote:
> I'd install a small cabinet and use these
>
> http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=38
>
> I would probably use the DIN rail mounts personally
>
> http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39
>
> Transtector makes one for Canopy only (at least that is what I remember),
> but is a major PITA to install.

Has anyone taken delivery on the DIN rail mounts?  I have some on back 
order and I can't seem to find out when they'll materialize.

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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

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On Tue, 2011-11-01 at 06:15 -0400, Scott Reed wrote:
> This is not quite right.  Mine all run the battery charge voltage higher 
> than the set voltage.  The battery voltage is not settable.

Okay, I'm confusing it with the DR series then.  Thanks for the
clarification.

-Kristian




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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

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On 10/31/2011 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That looks like a better solution then the DR-UPS40 and SDR-120-24
> that you recommended earlier.  Is it?  Does it charge the batteries
> and will it feed the equipment from the batteries when AC power is
> out?
>

The AD-155 will charge the batteries to whatever you set output voltage 
to.  By default, it's set to 24.0V (on the B model) so your batteries 
will never fully charge.  You have to set it to whatever you choose for 
your float voltage (like 27.6V) to get a full charge.  On AC power loss, 
the output remains tied to the batteries and will power your equipment 
(unregulated) until the batteries are nearly fully discharged.  A 
variable LVD would be nice, but it does completely shut down once the 
batteries have hit the low mark, instead of cycling on/off as you 
battery turns to mush.

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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

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On 10/31/2011 11:25 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> Need a little more current than that
>
I assumed it was a Horizon Compact, and I thought they only ran at about 
25W.  Either way, they come in larger sizes...

http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-100-48-power-supply.html

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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:


Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following...

We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power 
supply.  (Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 
6"x1.25"x2.75".  We have a client that wants the power supplies placed 
in a "sleeve" or otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have typically 
used zip ties or plumbers tape.  They want them more secured than with 
a simple "strap" across them holding them to the wall.


Does anybody have a source for such a thing?



If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...

http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html

They sell brackets for them as well.

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Re: [WISPA] Splitters with Motorola Canopy 320 - Results Update

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Do you have a reference for calculating the proper cable lengths and 
antenna spacing based on frequency when using splitters in a 
configuration like this?

Thanks,

-Kristian

On 10/25/2011 06:39 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I thought I would post back on here what we did and our results.
> These are preliminary.
>
> Equipment:
> 1 x 320AP
>
> Configuration with only one sector:
> Power set to 19.9dB (per the manual for legal power settings)
> AP set to -65 power leveling
> Client signals at the AP were -65 (or thereabouts, this fluctuates
> from -65 to -70) for all clients.
> Client receive levels ranged from -61 to -75.
>
> Equipment:
> 1 x 320AP
> 4 x 16.5dB 90 degree sectors
> 2 x 4 way splitters from L-Com
>
> Configuration with only one sector:
> Power set to full 25dB (per the manual for legal power settings,
> assuming a -6.5dB of loss)
> AP set to -65 power leveling
> Client signals at the AP were -65 (or thereabouts, this fluctuates
> from -65 to -70) for all clients.
> Client receive levels ranged from -64 to -78.
>
> So essentially by adding a 4 way splitter the clients receive levels
> increased by about 3.5-4dB.  Tower receive levels were unchanged, as
> most of the clients were power leveled down.  Only one client is
> transmitting at full power now.  That client is also the highest
> signal on both sides.  Most client transmit levels are also running at
> a higher power now as well.
>
> Conclusion:
> I think that running 1 x 320AP x 4 sectors through splitters is a
> little aggressive.  If the majority of your clients are going to have
> decent signal levels, then I see no problems with it.  However, I
> think that our current situation is a little on the edge.  I think
> that if you are looking for an inexpensive way to use 320AP's, I would
> recommend this solution.  I think that this solution has a higher net
> gain over using an 8dB omni.  My results show that it is pretty
> consistent on being about a total loss of about 8dB using a 4 way
> splitter.  You can overcome 6.1dB of that loss in turning up the
> transmit power of the radios.   Your net loss is about 2.5-3dB,
> however you are able to focus the sectors a little better.
>
> In the long run on future deployments, we will likely use 2 AP's and 4
> sectors with 4x2way splitters (MIMO).  Once they reach capacity, we'll
> add additional AP's.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Aircontrol for UBNT

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/19/2011 01:33 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
> Yes, it's definitely a firewall problem, the trouble is I already have open 
> the ports that are supposed to be opened.  I seem to have no trouble 
> communicating to server on 9080. i.e. I can go to an alternate internet 
> source via my 3g and connect to server on that port but my radios cannot 
> connect to server on that port.  Whatever it is, it is definitely in the 
> iptables rules.  The only ports that have to be open are 9080 and 22 by 
> default right?
For traffic directed at your server, I believe it's just 9080.

-Kristian



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Re: [WISPA] Aircontrol for UBNT

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/19/2011 09:55 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> Is that the status column? Mine are just grey, How do I change it?
> NGL

I believe that means they're unmanaged.  Right click the device(s) and 
select connect/disconnect, then enter the device username and password.  
If it gives an error about not receiving a heartbeat, see my other reply.

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Re: [WISPA] Aircontrol for UBNT

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/19/2011 09:17 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
> Admin Tab ->  System Settings ->  Air Control Server Address
> Make sure this is an IP address. If not then your CPE will fail to talk
> to your server. It obviously needs to be the wan port of your router.

Just as a quick test, you can ssh to a managed Ubnt device, and run the 
following...

telnet  9080
GET /


If you see a HTTP header response, then you're good.  If you get a blank 
stare, then you have a firewall problem, such as what Ryan alluded to.


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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/07/2011 02:09 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> Do you apply it only in special cases or would you do it as standard 
> procedure on CPEs? It seems like something that when you need it it's too 
> late to put it in.

I could argue either side.  If a situation existed where the CPEs 
legitimately need to retransmit more for a short time (weather, 
interference, etc.) then setting it to 1 would likely make all of the 
CPEs worse for the duration instead of degrading gracefully.  At this 
point, we use it mostly as a diagnostic tool rather than a default.

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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/07/2011 12:59 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> Is that enough to keep a bad CPE from taking down the AP?

In general, I'd say yes.  I would look it as a tool to keep things calm 
long enough to fix the real problem rather than a permanent fix.

-Kristian



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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/06/2011 05:52 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Two reasons for the post:
>   1) Clients can cause the whole AP to misbehave.
>   2) Anyone have any trouble shooting tips on how to know whether to
> check AP or clients first?
>

In the worst conditions, a MT CPE with default configuration will 
retransmit the same frame 200-300 times per second at the lowest rate, 
consuming all available bandwidth.  I've observed this in the field and 
on the bench.  Getting stats from the AP/CPE to easily show when this is 
happening has proven quite difficult.  I had to use a third station to 
do a TZSP sniff and analyze the data in wireshark in order to observe it.

Setting frame-lifetime=1 (1 centi-second/10milliseconds), will drop that 
number to 20-30 frames per second.  It sets a hard limit to how long the 
AP or CPE will spend retransmitting the same frame.  So to answer your 
second question, you can try setting frame-lifetime=1 on all the CPEs.  
It shouldn't make a difference on good CPEs, but it will likely make the 
bad CPEs worse, bringing them to light.

HTH,

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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Mapping

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 08/31/2011 06:15 PM, Tony Iacopi wrote:


Hi there,

We are in the process of rebuilding a customer database and I was 
wondering if anyone knew, who is in charge of wireless mapping in 
Calif and what specs are required.  Let me know





Hi Tony,

Feel free to drop me a line.  I'd be happy to answer your questions.

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink 45

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 08/26/2011 12:09 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote:


Anyone have any used ones for sale?




I second that. :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik BGP Prefix Filtering

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 08/10/2011 09:54 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:

How do you go about doing it?

I've always set an in/out filter on the particular BGP session (under 
its configuration). Then in the prefix filter, Selected that chain and 
discarded everything, And then placed our prefixes above that rule 
with the accept action. (Outbound filtering of prefixes that is). Is 
this common/best practice, Or does anyone have a better way of doing it?


Not that it's causing a problem this way. Just curious.


We do the same, but with OSPF on our core as well, so that spurious 
networks aren't redistributed from connected/static routes by accident 
or installed if something bad happens elsewhere.  We also have a 
set-route-comment="network type" in the ospf-in chain, where "network 
type" is something like OSPF backbone, distribution, customer, private 
management, etc.  It allows you to do something like...


/ip route print where comment="distribution"

...to easily see which routes were allowed by that filter.


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Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Yes.  Say you want redundancy between two routers connecting to a single
upstream that provides you a single /30.  You connect all three to the
same switch/VLAN, assign private addresses for VRRP to the
provider-facing interfaces, and assign your single public /30 address to
the VRRP interface.  If the primary router fails, the backup router's
VRRP interface will become active, as will the address, and traffic will
commence to the backup router.  On your network facing side, you'll need
to have OSPF or something else setup to advertise a default route (or
whatever is appropriate), but using the
distribute-default=if-installed-as-... option, lest the backup/inactive
router advertise the default route as well.

-Kristian

On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 18:54 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> You can just use bs private IPs right?
> 
> On Jul 28, 2011 6:43 PM, "Kristian Hoffmann" 
> wrote:
> > +1
> > 
> > The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in
> > routing (i.e. the highly available one(s)). We've used the same
> config
> > you outline. Thanks for taking the time to describe it.
> > 
> > -Kristian
> > 
> > On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote:
> >> Hi Gino,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It can be done. It isn't well-documented, however.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each
> >> router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then
> put
> >> the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp
> subinterface.
> >> For example:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> rtr-1
> >> 
> >> ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp
> >> only)
> >> 
> >> vrrp1 = master
> >> 
> >> 24.5.20.17/30 <-> 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1
> >> 
> >> 24.5.21.1/30 <-> 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2
> >> 
> >> etc
> >> 
> >> 
> >> rtr-2
> >> 
> >> ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp
> >> only)
> >> 
> >> vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's
> >> vrrp1 interface
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate
> >> vrrp master/backup only.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and
> >> the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are
> active
> >> only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface. The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is
> not
> >> active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing
> anything.
> >> If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2
> becomes
> >> active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were
> >> previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface. You do
> need
> >> to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented
> way
> >> of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1
> >> interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting
> unnecessarily
> >> complicated. In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1
> >> interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for
> >> management/vrrp traffic.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hope this helps,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dave
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM
> >> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address…
> all
> >> methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP
> >> addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I
> >> have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our
> >> customers?
> >> 
> >> 
> >>

Re: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address

[Kristian Hoffmann]

+1

The IP addresses used for VRRP don't have to be the ones involved in
routing (i.e. the highly available one(s)).  We've used the same config
you outline.  Thanks for taking the time to describe it.

-Kristian

On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 15:58 -0400, David Sovereen wrote:
> Hi Gino,
> 
>  
> 
> It can be done.  It isn't well-documented, however.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mikrotik, for example, you put a management IP address on each
> router's ethernet interface, used for speaking vrrp only, and then put
> the IP address(es) that deal with customers on the vrrp subinterface.
> For example:
> 
>  
> 
> rtr-1
> 
> ether1 assigned 172.16.1.1/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp
> only)
> 
>   vrrp1 = master
> 
>24.5.20.17/30 <-> 24.5.20.18/30 = cust-rtr-1
> 
>24.5.21.1/30 <-> 24.5.21.1/30 = cust-rtr-2
> 
>etc
> 
> 
> rtr-2
> 
> ether1 assigned 172.16.1.2/30 (management IP used to negotiate vrrp
> only)
> 
>   vrrp1 = backup, configure same IP addresses as found on rtr-1's
> vrrp1 interface
> 
>  
> 
> In this configuration, the two rtr's use 172.16.1.0/30 to negotiate
> vrrp master/backup only.
> 
>  
> 
> While rtr-1 is up, only the vrrp1 interface on rtr-1 is active and
> the /30s that are assigned between you and your customers are active
> only on rtr-1's vrrp1 interface.  The vrrp1 interface on rtr-2 is not
> active, and the IP addresses configured there aren't doing anything.
> If rtr-1 fails, then the vrrp1 interface configured on rtr-2 becomes
> active and rtr-2 begins responding to the IP addresses that were
> previously being responded to on rtr-1's vrrp interface.  You do need
> to configure the same IPs on both router's vrrp1 interfaces.
> 
>  
> 
> I use this as my preferred setup on Mikrotiks, as the documented way
> of having traffic go out the ether1 interface and in the vrrp1
> interface can make firewall configs and troubleshooting unnecessarily
> complicated.  In this way, all traffic goes through the vrrp1
> interfaces and the ether1 interfaces are used exclusively for
> management/vrrp traffic.
> 
>  
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:36 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
> Subject: [WISPA] Router Redundancy and /30 Ip address
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone have a way of having Router Redundancy with /30 ip address… all
> methods that I have researched (VRRP,HSRP) call for various IP
> addresses and are suitable for /26 or larger IP blocks… How could I
> have a Router Backup with multiple /30 ip addresses facing our
> customers?
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> 787.273.4143
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage

[Kristian Hoffmann]

The DRP-240-24 is a DC power supply.  The DR-UPS40 connects between it
and the batteries to provide feedback (via relays) and regulate the
charge current.  The two combined provide roughly the same functionality
of the Samlex, minus the smart charger abilities (temperature
compensation and absorption phase).  I'm using two SD-200B-48s for
positive and negative ground 48VDC equipment, in addition to running
24VDC off the batteries and DRP-240-24.  In this particular case, I'm
also using a DR-RDN20 to combine two complete sets (batteries, DC
supply, etc.) for added capacity and reliability (I hope).

The guys at PowerGate have been helpful and have great prices.  They
also advised against connecting two SD-150B-24's in parallel (my
original plan) because even a few mV difference could cause the load to
bias towards one regulator or another.  So many choices...

-Kristian

On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 20:39 -0500, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
> I have changed up my charge controller on my setup to a Samlex SEC2415A. 
> It's a bit overkill, but I had bought almost  1.5 years ago for a different 
> project and forgot about it. Those individual 12v battery maintainers sucked 
> for this application. So far that Samlex has rocked! I recently bought a 
> DuraComm Corp SC-24 from Tessco and have is running on my next rig to put at 
> one of my towers, just haven't decided which one I digress, the Samlex 
> in production is charging two marine batteries and maintaining at 27.0V and 
> the Duracomm in my office is maintaing at 27.7. I wonder if that's because 
> of temperature differences? The Samlex is in a lot hotter environment than 
> my office is.
> 
> Sidenote: that 24V regulator died when it overheated. I have since bought 
> some Meanwell DC-DC regulators and put a SD-100B24 (100W) into that 
> production setup on Tuesday, and so far so good. I have a 50W and this next 
> setup for a smaller tower. I'm pretty impressed so far with the efficiency. 
> So far with 10 Mikrotik AP's and BH's and a 24V to 12V converter to power a 
> switch, the switch I am only using 62 Watts of power! Less than I 
> expected...
> 
> Oh yeah, the Meanwell's are a lot cheaper than that one DC-DC regulator that 
> you used. They have a perforated cover design that seems like they should 
> cool easier.
> 
> http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-100b-24.shtml
> http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-50b-24.shtml
> 
> I'll probably get this for the next 24v to 12v. It's only 15W instead of 
> 60W, so maybe less waste of electricity... Plus my switch uses maximum of 
> 12v 1amp. I'm using a Netgear FS116 switch instead of a MT. I have to figure 
> out how the MT would fit into my tower setup.
> http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/sd-15b-12.shtml
> 
> Chris
> 
> Hope I didn't hijack the thread
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Kristian Hoffmann
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
> 
> Awesome.  Just what I was looking for.  Thanks both for the feedback.
> 
> Have a great weekend!
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 16:41 -0600, Scott Parsons wrote:
> > Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C
> > -30mV/degree C temperature factor
> > Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require
> > lower float voltages.
> >
> > AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different
> > charging specs.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Regards,
> > Scott Parsons
> > Tycon Power
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
> >
> > It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, 
> > but
> > if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be
> > ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your 
> > climate.
> >
> > I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I
> > checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various
> > temperatures.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Would someone mind sharin

Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Awesome.  Just what I was looking for.  Thanks both for the feedback.

Have a great weekend!

-Kristian

On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 16:41 -0600, Scott Parsons wrote:
> Basically 27.2V to 27.6V at 25C
> -30mV/degree C temperature factor
> Colder temperature require higher float voltage and higher temps require
> lower float voltages.
> 
> AGM and GEL would be the same. Wet Lead Acid batteries are different
> charging specs.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Regards,
> Scott Parsons
> Tycon Power
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:00 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
> 
> It depends on the temperature, it's been a while since I researched it, but
> if I remember correctly I decided the best compromise around here would be
> ~27.5v. you may want it a little higher or lower depending on your climate.
> 
> I would check the battery manufacturer's website, at least one that I
> checked had a chart that showed the proper float voltage at various
> temperatures.
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:30 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper float
> voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)?
> 
> I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40.  It's not a three
> phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A.  The voltage is
> adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my charge/float
> voltage.  Based on my research, the highest voltage I should use is 13.8x2 =
> 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still achieving a maximum charge.  I
> was about to move on until I found another source suggesting that the ideal
> float voltage for telecom UPS batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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[WISPA] Proper 24V battery float voltage

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

Would someone mind sharing their experience/suggestion on the proper
float voltage for a 24V battery bank (2x 12V 44Ah AGM batteries)?

I'm using the MeanWell DRP-240-24 along with a DR-UPS40.  It's not a
three phase charger, but just limits the charging current to 2A.  The
voltage is adjustable at the source, and will ultimately determine my
charge/float voltage.  Based on my research, the highest voltage I
should use is 13.8x2 = 27.6 to avoid boiling the batteries but still
achieving a maximum charge.  I was about to move on until I found
another source suggesting that the ideal float voltage for telecom UPS
batteries was 13.2x2 = 26.4.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Isolated 24V to 48V DC/DC converter

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Thanks for the tips.  I had been eyeing the SD-200B-48 and SD-350B-48
and almost went with the SD-200.  Looks like the SD-350 is the winner.

Many thanks,

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 17:51 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> We tried the Meanwell SD-200B-48 upconverters and had issues with them 
> running hot to the touch.  Upgraded to the SD-350B-48 with the built-in 
> fan and they run like a charm.  No failures to date. $100 vs $120.
> 
> You can order online from Powergate.   Real fast ship and they don't 
> gouge on the shipping charges.
> 
> We use them for cell providers on Dragonwave, Exalt and Ceragon licensed 
> deployments without issue.
> 
> The inputs and outputs are totally isolated as is the metal case.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On 4/26/2011 4:39 PM, John McDowell wrote:
> > MeanWell SD-200 might work.
> >
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> >> Hi,
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> >> Can someone recommend an isolated 24V to 48V DC/DC converter rated at
> >>> 50W and preferably<200W?  I'm looking to power some positive ground
> >> 48VDC telecom gear off a 24V negative ground battery system.  I saw a
> >> 70W unit in a Kyocera solar system before that would be perfect, but I
> >> don't know the make/model and can't find it with Google.
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[WISPA] Isolated 24V to 48V DC/DC converter

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

Can someone recommend an isolated 24V to 48V DC/DC converter rated at
>50W and preferably <200W?  I'm looking to power some positive ground
48VDC telecom gear off a 24V negative ground battery system.  I saw a
70W unit in a Kyocera solar system before that would be perfect, but I
don't know the make/model and can't find it with Google.

Thanks,

-- 
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System Administrator
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Re: [WISPA] OSPF Route Cost Calculations

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 10:56 -0500, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Can someone explain, in plain English, the difference between type 1 and
> type 2 calculations? Mikortik only explains it is white box vs something
> else.  Cisco says A type 1 route has a metric that is the
> sum of the internal OSPF cost and the external redistributed cost. A type 2
> route has a metric equal only to the redistributed cost.

In broad strokes, the "cost" between any two points on an OSPF network
is the sum of the interface costs between the two routers in question
following a particular path (there could be more than one).  As
suggested before, a white board is good for this.  Start with, say 10,
for every interface.  Then start adding up the costs for paths that are
important to you.  If a path is being chosen that you don't want, start
incrementing the cost on both sides of the link until the correct path
has a lower cost.

If your external routes are type 1, a router will take that cost into
account when determining which route is better (if there is more than
one learned).  If it's type 2, it will only use the metric assigned to
it when it's injected/learned by into OSPF.

A MikroTik example regarding default routes (though any external route
should do the same)...

---Type-2---
Router A:
/router ospf instance
  set default distribute-default=if-installed-as-type-2
  set default metric-default=10

Router B:
/router ospf instance
  set default distribute-default=if-installed-as-type-2
  set default metric-default=20


---Type-1---
Router A:
/router ospf instance
  set default distribute-default=if-installed-as-type-1
  set default metric-default=10

Router B:
/router ospf instance
  set default distribute-default=if-installed-as-type-1
  set default metric-default=10


In the Type-2 case, router X will always choose router A's default
route, if it's being injected.

In the Type-1 case, router X will choose the default route that has a
lower OSPF path cost.


It's Saturday morning and I didn't double check any books, so please be
gentle if I missed some subtle detail. :-)

-Kristian




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Re: [WISPA] Linux Question

[Kristian Hoffmann]

If it's a RedHat variant, the drivers are loaded in the initrd image
(stored in /boot/), which is built based on values
in /etc/modprobe.conf.  You'll see a line like this...

alias scsi_hostadapter sata_nv

If the source and target system have the same storage adapter (sata_nv
in this case), then it should at least boot.  If not, you can find out
which module the target system uses, add a line like this...

alias scsi_hostadapter1 sata_somethingelse

...and reinstall the kernel package.  That'll trigger a rebuild of the
initrd image, including the storage adapter of the target system.

YMMV,

-Kristian

On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 15:33 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Windows can sometimes cope with the hard drive being moved into a 
> machine with different hardware.  Can Linux handle this gracefully?
> 
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[WISPA] [Fwd: Initial California Broadband Council Meeting]

[Kristian Hoffmann]

--- Begin Message ---
I wanted to let you know that the initial meeting of the California
Broadband Council will be held on February 28, 2011 from 9:30 am - 12:00
pm in Senate Hearing Room 112 at the State Capitol, Sacramento CA, with
registration from 9:30 - 10:00.The purpose of the Council, established
last year by SB 1462 (Padilla), is to ensure that California continues
its nationwide leadership on broadband, to maximize California's
opportunities for private and federal funds for broadband, building on
the $420 million in federal Recovery Act broadband grants and the $57
million in California Advanced Services Fund grants already awarded in
the state, and to increase coordination of state resources for broadband
networks that will give all Californians the high-speed Internet access
that is essential for virtually every aspect of daily life in the 21st
century.

Council members include the president of the California Public Utilities
Commission, State Chief Information Officer, Secretary of the California
Emergency Management Agency, Superintendent of Public Instruction,
Director of General Services, Secretary of Business, Transportation and
Housing, the Chair of the Senate Committee on Energy, Utilities and
Communications, the Chair of the Assembly Committee on Utilities and
Commerce, and the president of the California Emerging Technologies
Fund.

This is primarily an organizational meeting.  You may access the agenda
at
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/NR/rdonlyres/453758F4-18D2-4F70-B79F-0CB616DA99FF
/0/StateBroadbandCouncilAgenda22311v3.pdf .  The Council and its member
entities will be seeking your input on additional ways the state can
support broadband deployment and usage in the months ahead.  

We believe the Council's initial meeting will be televised by the
California Channel, available on most cable systems in California.  The
feed should also be available to stream at www.calchannel.com .
Carriage of the meeting is subject to change, however.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Michael Morris

Video Franchising/Broadband Deployment

Communications Division

California Public Utilities Commission

 

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Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I'm wondering if anyone else uses action=arp-reply in the bridge NAT
section.  I don't like using obscure features with MT for fear that
they'll randomly remove it one day.  However, since that post they
appear to have added a rule to match gratuitous ARP, which could greatly
simplify my config.  I haven't tested it yet though.

-Kristian

On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 15:48 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Not sure exactly what you're asking.  I did put a bridge filter on the
> MT AP to stop SM to SM communication, yes.
> 
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> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kristian Hoffmann
>  wrote:
> Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have
> scripts
> and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we
> haven't had
> any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it...
> 
> http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html
> 
> Josh, did you end up implementing something like this
> yourself?
> 
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:44 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:
> > We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve
> found a
> > rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a
> few
> > threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like
> we’re
> > suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the
> DHCP behind
> > it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The
> clients need
> > to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want
> people’s
> > routers giving out responses.
> >
> >
> >
> > The counters are going up but im still seeing the
> 192.168.1.1 IP on
> > the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a
> problem is
> > these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of
> these
> > mikrotiks.
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts
and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had
any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it...

http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html

Josh, did you end up implementing something like this yourself?


-Kristian

On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:44 -0500, Andy Trimmell wrote:
> We’re blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We’ve found a
> rogue dhcp that I’ve talked about the last couple weeks in a few
> threads. I found the unit. We’re blocking the 67 port like we’re
> suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind
> it. Should I be blocking 67 and 68 to alleviate this? The clients need
> to get an IP with the tower dhcp server but I don’t want people’s
> routers giving out responses.
> 
>  
> 
> The counters are going up but im still seeing the 192.168.1.1 IP on
> the ARP table and the only units on the tower having a problem is
> these 320 units but it’s the rogue server behind one of these
> mikrotiks.
> 
>  
> 
> Irritating.
> 
>  
> 
> Andy Trimmell
> 
> Network Administrator
> 
> atrimm...@precisionds.com
> 
> 317.831.3000 ext 211
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Re: [WISPA] 5.2 or 5.4 Short Hops

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Looks like Trango still sells the TrangoLINK-45, which claims to support
5.2-5.8GHz with DFS.

-Kristian

On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:39 -0600, Matt wrote:
> Looking for some gear to do 4 short hops under a mile and not interfer
> with existing 2.4 or 5.7 gear.  Was thinking of the 5.2 or 5.4 band
> gear.  Whats out there that wont break the bank and is FCC compliant
> in that band?  Leaning towards canopy but would like more bandwidth
> and a lower price.
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I ran across this subtle caveat today in the MT wiki...

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/Wireless

"Note: Currently IPv6 doesn't work over Pseudobridge"


-Kristian

On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 16:49 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Awesome, appreciate the confirmation.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Jeromie Reeves
>  wrote:
> Yes I have. All my AP's are AP-WDS and all clients are WDS
> with a
> router behind it. v6 works fine.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Have you actually tested that?  I ask because I expect it to
> work, too, but
> > haven't actually done it myself.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
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> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jeromie Reeves
> 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Sure Ubnt in bridge mode works fine. We still need native
> v6 support.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Charles N Wyble
> >>  wrote:
> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> > Hash: SHA1
> >> >
> >> > On 01/13/2011 07:00 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> >> >> I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT
> (PS2's, NSL2's,
> >> >> NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how
> we're going to fair
> >> >> if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like
> to hear someone
> >> >> else is already doing it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Interesting question. I'm hoping to provide ipv6 on my
> network very
> >> > soon. Currently only handing out ipv4.
> >> >
> >> > I have my ubnt ns2 working as a hotspot on my roof. It
> bridges to my
> >> > wired network (cisco l2 switch and pfsense box). On it's
> own VLAN of
> >> > course.
> >> >
> >> > So do I care about ubnt supporting ipv6? Will it not work
> in bridge
> >> > mode? I need to turn on v6 on the pfsense side, via an
> he.net tunnel
> >> > with prefix delegation and find out.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone done this? On whatever l3 termination of choice
> >> > (pfsense/cisco/linux/mikrotik).
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Our "upstream" apparently is Hughesnet being resold in
> South America.
> >> >> I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6
> capable/ready. That may keep
> >> >> us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6 for some time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Greg
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Kristian Hoffmann]

These may be of help if you want to run it straight from your car's
12VDC...

http://www.mini-box.com/M4-ATX-HV

http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f


-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 21:27 -0500, RickG wrote:
> Do they run on direct 12 volts?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.
> 
>  
> 
> It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go. 
> 
>  
> 
> I like the linux version.
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html
> 
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed 
> wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on
> 12-volt DC
> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at
> least 1 PCI
> slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my
> truck to
> do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Kristian Hoffmann]

At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could
put a couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally
disable it.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> Well, the math says that since I’ve been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
> sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks,
> 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay
> for shipping easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it’s the single
> polarity.  With a 5.8 system it’s important to me to be able to
> separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish
> UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the
> Rockets  Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a
> perfect world) to the customer?  
> 
>  
> 
> These look good.  Who is stocking them?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me
> of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus “Mechanical
> slide” that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I
> really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with
> the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there.
> 
>  
> 
> Hm……  
> 
>  
> 
> What are the price points on these dudes?  
> 
>  
> 
> Me-
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> any experience with these? Any good?
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 21" to 19" Rack Adapters

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I was just about to order one of their modular power distribution strips
(Power Assembly for Open Frame Rack 111).  I haven't found a better way
to get multiple circuits cleanly into a rack.

-Kristian

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:09 -0500, Jeremy Parr wrote:
> Whoops, that isn't the company I was thinking of...
> 
> http://www.racksolutions.com/?ref=logo
> 
> This is.
> 
> On 22 December 2010 17:58, Jeremy Parr  wrote:
> > These guys are great for all those hard to find rackmount server items.
> >
> > On 12/22/10, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> >> If you mean 23" to 19", then
> >>
> >> http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Rackmount_Filler_Panels_Brackets.asp#REDUCER%20BRACKETS
> >>
> >>
> >> -Kristian
> >>
> >> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 16:17 -0500, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> >>> Does anyone know where to get the rack adapters so you can mount
> >>> normal 19" rackmounts in the wider racks?
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] 21" to 19" Rack Adapters

[Kristian Hoffmann]

If you mean 23" to 19", then

http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Rackmount_Filler_Panels_Brackets.asp#REDUCER%20BRACKETS


-Kristian

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> Does anyone know where to get the rack adapters so you can mount
> normal 19" rackmounts in the wider racks?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Jumbo Frames

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Based on my understanding, it won't make a difference unless both ends
of the connection and every router in between has its MTU set >1500.
You can have the MTU set to 9000 on every router on your network, but if
your customer's router/PC is 1500, all frames will be 1500.  People on
NANOG were discussing this a couple of weeks ago when talking about
optimizing multi-hundred megabit transfers across the Internet where
they had optimized it on their network, both endpoints, and arranged it
with all of their transit providers.  But it's not something you can
just turn on in the middle and get "more speed."

-Kristian


On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 13:30 -0500, RickG wrote:
> Well, I havent analysed it yet but with all the facebook uploads,
> online backups, and email attachedments going on I wonder if that is
> the case?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:31 AM, David E. Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 23:23, RickG 
> wrote:
> Is there any reason to enable Jumbo Frames? My RB1000
> and Dell switches have the capabilities. Time Warner
> says they can enable it on my fiber switch if I want.
> 
> 
> It probably won't hurt, but unless you're regularly moving
> very large files point-to-point (and can enable jumbo frames
> on all the intermediate gear) it also probably won't have any
> noticeable benefit.
> 
> 
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] California WISP meeting (Last call)

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I forgot to send an update about the shuttle.  It will be running between the 
Hyatt and the Domain between 7:45 and 8:15 tomorrow morning.

-Kristian

Adam Brodel  wrote:

>Jerry
>
>We are staying at the Domain just Friday night at $79.  The Thursday night 
>rate was $150 plus so we booked into the Hyatt at $85. 
>
>Adam
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>
>> Is there a promo code for the Domain Hotel?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Otherwise it's a 2 night minimum @ 139/night
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> - Jerry
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:32 AM
>> To: califor...@wispa.org; wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] California WISP meeting (Last call)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Today is the last day to sign up for WISPA's California Meeting on
>> December 11, 2010.  Please email me if you're planning on attending.
>> 
>> The info can be found here...
>> 
>> http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3469
>> 
>> Also, there will be shuttle service from the Hyatt Santa Clara to the
>> Domain Hotel Sunnyvale on Saturday morning.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -Kristian
>> 
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[WISPA] California WISP meeting (Last call)

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi all,

Today is the last day to sign up for WISPA's California Meeting on
December 11, 2010.  Please email me if you're planning on attending.

The info can be found here...

http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3469

Also, there will be shuttle service from the Hyatt Santa Clara to the
Domain Hotel Sunnyvale on Saturday morning.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Wouldn't it be up the the NAS (e.g. your MT PPPoE server) to support it?
But yes, you could probably script something to remove the session
directly on the NAS in the same number of lines of code as you could
trigged the PoD from your RADIUS server.

-Kristian

On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:21 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Normis says "PPPoE doesn't support CoA, only PoD.".  So you can do it
> with PoD I guess (which is new to me).  How many devices support this?
>  Seems it could be done from the server, but that's as much effort as
> just severing the pppoe session.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> > I don't use RADIUS for PPPoE, so forgive me ignorance, but isn't that
> > possible with a CoA or PoD request...
> >
> > http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:RADIUS_Client#Change_of_Authorization
> >
> > http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20604&start=0
> >
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:00 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> The problem I have with Radius is that you have no way to shut them
> >> off.  You would have to change the profile (easy) and have the device
> >> reauthenticate (not as easy).
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
> >> > Thought I would just chime back in a little bit on this subject:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > No experience with Powercode, but with Platypus we can do RADIUS (PPPoE)
> >> > authentication and control the profiles from within Platypus with account
> >> > types, assign the appropriate rate limiting, static IP addresses, etc 
> >> > etc –
> >> > everything controlled within Platypus.  Took a little tweaking to get 
> >> > this
> >> > to work with VOP RADIUS and Mikrotik, but we made it happen (had more to 
> >> > do
> >> > with Mikrotik and VOP than it did Platypus though).  Probably going to 
> >> > move
> >> > to FreeRadius sometime soon as VOPRadius is no longer a supported 
> >> > product.
> >> > We’re integrated with ModusMail as well, so all email management is 
> >> > within
> >> > Platypus.  We have been using Wombat for quite some time and love it.
> >> > Fantastic that it’s now going to be an integrated part of Platypus.  Had 
> >> > a
> >> > little learning curve at first, but the last revision of it made it WAY 
> >> > more
> >> > user friendly.  Using IPPay now for CC billing – integrated into 
> >> > Platypus.
> >> > We use Tucows / Platypus for paper statements – click three buttons and 
> >> > our
> >> > printing is sent off for us at VERY reasonable rates.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Monitoring is still not there within Plat though, but I have a feeling 
> >> > it’s
> >> > just a matter of time.  We’ve also had difficulty getting Plat to do
> >> > everything we want with our web hosting customers from within Plat 
> >> > itself,
> >> > but it’s not that big of a deal to do the things we need to do manually 
> >> > for
> >> > our size web hosting operation.  If we had hundreds of customers we’d
> >> > integrate with a control panel that works with Platypus as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Online customer pages, online staff use pages, online knowledgebase, and
> >> > more – all integrated with Platypus.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hope all this info helps out a little bit.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> > Behalf Of Mark Nash
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:03 PM
> >> > To: WISPA General List
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > LOL that reminds me of Beavis & Butthead, where all things i

Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I don't use RADIUS for PPPoE, so forgive me ignorance, but isn't that
possible with a CoA or PoD request...

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:RADIUS_Client#Change_of_Authorization

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20604&start=0


-Kristian


On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 18:00 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> The problem I have with Radius is that you have no way to shut them
> off.  You would have to change the profile (easy) and have the device
> reauthenticate (not as easy).
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
> > Thought I would just chime back in a little bit on this subject:
> >
> >
> >
> > No experience with Powercode, but with Platypus we can do RADIUS (PPPoE)
> > authentication and control the profiles from within Platypus with account
> > types, assign the appropriate rate limiting, static IP addresses, etc etc –
> > everything controlled within Platypus.  Took a little tweaking to get this
> > to work with VOP RADIUS and Mikrotik, but we made it happen (had more to do
> > with Mikrotik and VOP than it did Platypus though).  Probably going to move
> > to FreeRadius sometime soon as VOPRadius is no longer a supported product.
> > We’re integrated with ModusMail as well, so all email management is within
> > Platypus.  We have been using Wombat for quite some time and love it.
> > Fantastic that it’s now going to be an integrated part of Platypus.  Had a
> > little learning curve at first, but the last revision of it made it WAY more
> > user friendly.  Using IPPay now for CC billing – integrated into Platypus.
> > We use Tucows / Platypus for paper statements – click three buttons and our
> > printing is sent off for us at VERY reasonable rates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Monitoring is still not there within Plat though, but I have a feeling it’s
> > just a matter of time.  We’ve also had difficulty getting Plat to do
> > everything we want with our web hosting customers from within Plat itself,
> > but it’s not that big of a deal to do the things we need to do manually for
> > our size web hosting operation.  If we had hundreds of customers we’d
> > integrate with a control panel that works with Platypus as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Online customer pages, online staff use pages, online knowledgebase, and
> > more – all integrated with Platypus.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope all this info helps out a little bit.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Nash
> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:03 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL that reminds me of Beavis & Butthead, where all things in the world are
> > lumped into two categories: "This RULES" and "THIS SUCKS".
> >
> > Tony, your network may be much bigger than mine so billing problems show up
> > more frequently, but, IMHO, billing is alright, not great, not perfect, just
> > good.  It's not an accounting package, and our bookkeeper seems to get what
> > she needs out of it to do the books every month.
> >
> > About half of my customers pay with a check, and we put it in through
> > Powercode, so I think your comment about "forget it in powercode" is a
> > little extreme.
> >
> > On 12/2/2010 1:00 PM, Tony C. Loosle wrote:
> >
> > Powercode may be great with the BMU, but as for a billing system is really
> > sucks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Forget about basic accounting reports and simply things like a check
> > deposit.  Yes, customers still pay with a check.   Forget about it in
> > powercode!
> >
> >> I agree.  Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you
> >
> >> intend to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management.  That's
> >
> >> where the real power is, though we're having problems still, with
> >
> >> about 5 percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets,
> >
> >> like a /30 or /29 or /24).  Also some little things.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable.  It's just
> >
> >> that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for
> >
> >> EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be
> >
> >> excellent support.  We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of
> >
> >> subs that I have.  For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer
> >
> >> dedicated to fixing my problems, all day, every day.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx.  I don't
> >
> >>> understand how so much could be done via shell to begin with
> >
> >>> (Imagestream).
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> The bmu is what makes the product work for your business.  If you
> >
> >>> just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I care most about getting it done.  Phone, email, morse code I
> >
> >>> don't care

Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Kristian Hoffmann]

$800/mo buys you 10 hours of Freeside programming a month, and 30%
discount beyond that...

http://freeside.biz/freeside/services.html

We've been using and contributing to Freeside for ~11 years now.  Just
my $.02.

-Kristian


On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 12:33 -0800, Mark Nash wrote:
> I agree.  Do NOT even consider paying for Powercode unless you intend
> to integrate with the BMU (bandwidth) management.  That's where the
> real power is, though we're having problems still, with about 5
> percent of our customers (those who have remote subnets, like a /30
> or /29 or /24).  Also some little things.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, the product is usable and valuable.  It's just
> that with what they want to charge for it these days, I expect for
> EVERYTHING to work, in MY environment, and for there to be excellent
> support.  We're talking over $1200/mo for the number of subs that I
> have.  For that cost, I should have .15 of a programmer dedicated to
> fixing my problems, all day, every day.
> 
> On 12/2/2010 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> > I believe that a major turn will be the Maxx.  I don't understand
> > how so much could be done via shell to begin with (Imagestream).
> > 
> > The bmu is what makes the product work for your business.  If you
> > just do tickets, bills and such you're wasting your money.
> > 
> > I care most about getting it done.  Phone, email, morse code I don't
> > care.
> > 
> > On Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM, "Mark Nash"  wrote:
> > > Dude, talk with Josh more before you decide that you don't go
> > with 
> > > them. There's GOT to be something he's doing that I'm not. I've
> > got 
> > > alot invested in PowerCode, and I wish it would "turn the corner"
> > for me 
> > > but it hasn't.
> > > 
> > > On 12/2/2010 12:03 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> > >> That is hilarious. I just tried it and you weren't joking. I was
> > going to inquire about pricing but guess I won't.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone4
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Mark Nash wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Man... Don't get me started on PowerCode today. I just tried
> > calling
> > >>> their sales line. 920-351-1010.
> > >>>
> > >>> Go ahead, call it. I dare you.
> > >>>
> > >>> If I had a phone system like theirs I would have been out of
> > business
> > >>> long ago...
> > >>>
> > >>> Their MAIN greeting sounds like it was recorded A) on a
> > speakerphone and
> > >>> B) in a room with about 50 servers running with 10 fans each.
> > Then you
> > >>> press 1 for Sales and go immediately to voicemail. Try to hit
> > "0" for
> > >>> the operator and you get "mailbox not set up".
> > >>>
> > >>> I've been using them for a few years now and have been pretty
> > vocal on
> > >>> this list about them.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 12/2/2010 10:36 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
> >  Has any of you ever tired Powercode as a backend systems?
> >  Does anyone have experience with it compared to Platypus?
> > 
> >  We have a number of customers ranging between the 300 to 700
> > clients.
> >  I am trying to find a solution I maybe able to recommend them.
> >  Billing is an important piece but it also needs to have a
> > ticketing
> >  system, be able to monitor clients, record history, etc.
> >  The two above I have received the most endorsements for and
> > just
> >  wonder which maybe better.
> > 
> >  Shane
> >  KP Performance
> > 
> > 
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[WISPA] California WISP meeting

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

For those of you not on the California list that may be interested, here
are the details on the upcoming meeting...

Date:
Saturday, December 11, 2010

Location:
Domain Hotel, Sunnyvale, CA
http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/siliconvalley/domain
Rooms are available at $79/night.

Schedule:
8:30  - 9:00  - Coffee, meet/greet
9:00  - 9:15  - Welcome from WISPA Board
9:15  - 10:00 - FCC Report and Q&A (Jack Unger)
10:00 - 10:10 - Break/setup
10:10 - 11:10 - Beamforming (Ruckus Wireless)
11:10 - 11:20 - Break/setup
11:20 - 12:20 - CPUC Broadband Mapping (CPUC staff)
12:20 -  1:10 - Lunch
 1:10 -  2:00 - Network Management (Matt Larsen)
 2:00 -  2:10 - Break/setup
 2:10 -  5:00 - Moderated WISP roundtable

Cost: $0
Ruckus is kindly taking care of the provisions.

How to sign up:
Email me on or off list.

WISPs signed up:
CCS Wireless
airCloud
CalDSL  
Desert Wireless
CV-Access
101 Netlink 
California Broadband Services
Sutter Creek
socalwifi.net
USA Communications
Fire2Wire

If you're company name isn't in the list and you're planning on
attending, please email me as soon as possible.  It looks like we may
have to get a bigger room!

Thanks,

-Kristian





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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider

[Kristian Hoffmann]

With VOX, does your VoIP traffic traverse the Internet, or do/can you
get a cross connect with VOX?

-Kristian

On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 14:17 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> It happens automatically every 30-60 days for their DID inventory
> process or something.  I do not have customers that will wait 30 days,
> so I call in and make sure they clear it up.  Almost always fixed
> within the day, maybe two.  I typically call it in in the morning and
> before I leave for the day call the customer on our PSTN line.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Alan Bryant
>  wrote:
> > We actually had that happen with Verizon once. It took two months for
> > them to finally remove the number so that local customers could call.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> >> I have ported lots of them in their clec area. It is always a problem. 
> >> Typical Att ports are 7-10 days. Centurytel is 90-120 days. Even when they 
> >> port they sometimes don't remove the numbers from their switch so any 
> >> centurytel customer that calls their numbers gets a ring with no answer. 
> >> They truly try everything possible to stop a port.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone4
> >>
> >> On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I know we ported a CenturyTel customer, I remember dealing with those
> >>> idiots.  One of those ports that personify hell.
> >>>
> >>> You were probably better off.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>  Only place I couldn't port was a small town outside of Baton Rouge where 
>  Centurytel was the ilec.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone4
> 
>  On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman  
>  wrote:
> 
> > For domestic we have...off hand...
> >
> > Level3, Global Crossing, Pac West, XO, Paetec, One Communications,
> > Broadvox, Com Partners, Verizon
> >
> > Between these carriers we've had 1 number we couldn't port.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett 
> >  wrote:
> >> Well right.  There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA.
> >> 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous AT&T portion.  Only say 3
> >> cover the remaining AT&T and Frontier portions of that LATA.  Obviously
> >> all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I
> >> think I got the point across.
> >>
> >> Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is
> >> difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national
> >> providers.  Take Elizabeth, IL for example.  It hooks to the Freeport,
> >> IL tandem.  Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I
> >> checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there.  However, "local"
> >> companies BitWise and Aero are both there.  Both will sell you VoIP
> >> service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's
> >> network.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/29/2010 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>> Our provider has a dozen carriers or more, I expect others are 
> >>> comparable.
> >>>
> >>> Josh Luthman
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >>> 1100 Wayne St
> >>> Suite 1337
> >>> Troy, OH 45373
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Mike 
> >>> Hammett  wrote:
>  Porting only works if the receiving LEC has the ability to receive 
>  ports
>  from that rate center.  They have to be on the same tandem switch 
>  and may
>  even be more restrictive than that.
> 
>  -
>  Mike Hammett
>  Intelligent Computing Solutions
>  http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
>  On 11/29/2010 9:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>  Somewhere at least 90% of out customers ported their numbers.
> 
>  On Nov 29, 2010 10:12 PM, "Mike Hammett"  
>  wrote:
> > The second most important thing about VoIP (aside from the quality 
> > of
> > the service) is local numbers. Everything else relatively means 
> > nothing.
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/29/2010 8:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
> >>>

Re: [WISPA] A neat little ethernet controlled dual power outlet

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I've used their WebRelay to extend a contact from a time clock over an
IP network.  You can even chain the I/O across multiple relays.  Their
support was very helpful, and the relays have been up for >2 years
without a hitch.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 22:20 -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> I know the topic of remotely controlled resettable power outlets has come up 
> a few times on this forum so I think this might be of interest.
> 
> http://www.controlbyweb.com/webswitch/
> 
> This company makes the web based controller I use on our generator here. I'm 
> very impressed with their products. They just came out with this web based 
> ethernet controlled dual power outlet. The better version offers remote temp 
> and input monitoring, scheduling and email alerts.
> 
> I have no financial interest in this or relationship with these folks. I just 
> think they make a good product. Their web controller on our generator has 
> been flawless.
> 
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Office Phones

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Is there a desktop interface for managing calls, monitoring queues, etc?
Does anyone have experience with one that they like.

-Kristian

On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 13:45 -0500, Glenn Kelley wrote:
> A few solutions that should help - while technically asterisk - very
> easy to work with
> 
> 
> 1.  Trixbox CE (the free one) 
> 2.  PBXInAFlash 
> 
> 
> google both- very easy to setup :-)
> 
> 
> then you can use virtually any ip phone - including your iphone,
> android, and others 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> 
> > Learning Asterisk dialplans (extensions.con, AEL, etc) is different
> > from using a Asterisk powered by FreePBX (GUI).
> > 
> > http://www.freepbx.org/
> > 
> > I would also recommend Polycom desk phones. Not sure who makes good
> > cordless phones. I'm currently looking at a cordless from Yealink.
> > 
> > You should look into the PIKA WARP appliance as a PBX.
> > 
> > http://www.pikatechnologies.com/english/View.asp?x=652
> > 
> > Even with a GUI Asterisk still has a learning curve, but nowhere
> > near the time required if you were manually writing dialplans. SIP
> > Station has an auto-configure module for FreePBX which will setup
> > their SIP trunks with a few clicks.
> > 
> > http://www.sipstation.com/
> > 
> > I have experience with all of the above. Feel free to hit me up off
> > list for more info and/or configuration support.
> > 
> > --
> > Blake Covarrubias
> > 
> > On Nov 17, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd recommend Polycom deskphones, and Pap2t ata's for the cordless
> > > phones. As for the system, I'd say asterisk, But you said that
> > > wasn't an option... Maybe something like trixbox that is asterisk
> > > with a nice easy to use GUI?
> > > 
> > > Nick Olsen
> > > Network Operations
> > > (855) FLSPEED  x106
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:36 AM
> > > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Office Phones
> > > 
> > > If you want local and remote extensions with Vox you will have to
> > > get a sip trunk from them and go with an ip pbx. If you don't want
> > > to spend much money you can use an spa9000 but I'm not a big fan
> > > of it. 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone4
> > > 
> > > On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Steve Barnes 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My
> > > > AT&T phone system is now acting up and loses calls all the time.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for
> > > > the most part. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system
> > > > for 5 users only but I need a good voice mail and ability to
> > > > have cordless phones.  I would also like the ability to do
> > > > remote transfer to a cell or a offsite VoIP extension.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours
> > > > learning Asterisk. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Steve Barnes
> > > > 
> > > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I think Chupaka has posted on the MikroTik forms about having luck doing
by turning RADIUS on for DHCP requests, and then setting up a freeradius
server to handle the assignments.  You can set up freeradius to match
just about anything.  Not the easiest thing in the world, but...

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 16:33 -0700, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> A bit more detail…Matt also needs both DHCP clients to operate from the same 
> source MAC address.
> 
> I sent him a solution that uses two MAC addresses on the same physical port 
> and does not involve VLANs, although its obviously of no use because it does 
> not meet his requirements.
> 
> What MikroTik needs is the ability to specify DHCP Client ID's when creating 
> DHCP client instances. Most servers support using client ID's to identify 
> hosts so this would be an acceptable way to issue two IPs to a single MAC as 
> the client ID would be the identifier between the two.
> 
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> 
> > In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
> > 
> > On 11/15/2010 03:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need to do 
> >> vlans.
> >> 
> >> On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins"  wrote:
> >> > Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP 
> >> > address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1 
> >> > static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
> >> > 
> >> > On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >> >> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
> >> >>
> >> >> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
> >> >> -> Port3 Cust 2
> >> >>
> >> >> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
> >> >> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
> >> >> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> - Matt
> >> >>
> >> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Need Mikrotik Wireless help

[Kristian Hoffmann]

RB493 with an R52Hn?  That way you have 8 ports for wired customers as
well.  If you want elaborate QoS with queue trees and such, an RB493AH
might be worth the few extra dollars.

Sneaky one-liner to block inter-client traffic...

/ip firewall filter add chain=forward \
  in-interface=!ether1 out-interface=!ether1 action=drop


-Kristian

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> 
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Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Kristian Hoffmann]

There was interest in the upgrade outline, so here it is.  This was for
a 11GHz Horizon Compact, but I think the process is the same for 18GHz
as well.  Please also read the release notes for yourself.  It worked
for me, but buyer beware.  If you're running pre 1.01.00, the process to
get up to that version is equally sensitive.

I was told that there was a bug in the older version that caused new
firmware to be written incorrectly in certain cases, thus the need for
certain interim versions and precautions, and that after 1.03.x or so
that it wasn't as precarious.

Also, if you do manage to brick a unit, you can use their Merlin utility
to reflash the ODU with a laptop directly plugged in.

I had the files on a private FTP server with each step in a different
subdirectory to reduce the change of loading the wrong version on
accident.


SW upgrade procedure for systems with 1.01.00 to 1.01.3 omni:

Step 1:
Download release 1.01.32 omni, disable AAM (if already enabled), reset
system.
-
set aam off
copy ftp: /pub/step1/omni_1.01.32.hex
save mib
reset system


Step 2:
Download release 1.03.00 omni, and 1.02.02 mdmOmni, and reset system.
-
copy ftp: /pub/step2/omni_hc_1.03.00.hex
copy ftp: /pub/step2/mdmOmni_hc_1.02.02.hex
save mib
reset system


Step 3:
Download release 2.xx.xx frequency file and reset system.
copy ftp: /pub/step3/frequency_hc_...
save mib
reset system


Step 4:
Download release 1.04.00 omni, and 1.04.14 mdmOmni, and reset system.
-
copy ftp: /pub/step4/omni_hc_1.04.00.hex
copy ftp: /pub/step4/mdmOmni_hc_1.04.14.hex
save mib
reset system


Step 5:
Down load release 2.xx.xx frequency file and reset system. Enable AAM if
required.
-
copy ftp: /pub/step5/frequency_hc_...
save mib
reset system


-Kristian

On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 11:15 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> They've released several new firmware upgrades in the last 1-2 years,
> and support AAM (that actually works) and hitless-AAM now.  HAAM has
> been great for us with the occasional ducting we get in the valley.  I
> can deal with it dropping from 280MBps to 110Mbps at 6am rather than
> dropping the link completely.  The upgrade is a bit complicated, so I'd
> suggest calling DW before the upgrade and carefully reading the release
> notes.  They've been very helpful every time I've called/emailed.  I
> have a version-by-version outline too, if you're interested.
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 13:15 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> > Actually, I feel one of the flaws to the Dragonwave is that their
> > clips to the antenna easilly can break if not careful when connecting
> > them.
> > Trango's are much more durable. (actually I'm not talking about the
> > clips, but the metal-like part  that the clips grab). On Andrews these
> > parts are on the antenna side, on Trango they are on the radio side.
> > You can however, buy a replacement plate for the antenna, if they
> > break.
> >  
> > But with that said, my 23Ghz Dragonwave Horizon link has been
> > wonderful, I've never touched it since the day installed, works
> > perfrect.
> > My 24Gzh dragonwave on the other hand, has been a bit more
> > temporamental. I've never gotten full RSSI out of it that path calcs
> > show I should, so run at 50mb instead of 100mb to get quality link,
> > and I have to reboot it every 6 months or so, when it stops passing
> > traffic. We stopped investigating why at somepoint, because it was
> > good enough for the application.  I'm not meaning to bash DW 24Ghz,
> > I've just used one link, so it could be an isolated case. Not enough
> > links to have large enough sampling, to ahve a valid opinion.  (note,
> > I'm aware polarity orientation gets reverse on the opposite side with
> > the DW 24G model)
> >  
> > Personally, I think the "relationship factor" is becomming a bigger
> > factor to what product to buy. I think its important to buy Licensed
> > products from a supplier that you have a good relationship with, and
> > what they stock more of.  When in a bind, who's gonna overnbight you a
> > radio, without charging you inflated list price? (I'll leave it to the
> > buyer, to determine who they have a good relationship with)
> >  
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >  
> >  
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Bob Moldashel 
> > To: WISPA General List 
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 8:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
> > 
> > 
> > Ceragon today is NOT the same Ceragon it was 3 years ago.  
> > 
> 

Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops

[Kristian Hoffmann]

They've released several new firmware upgrades in the last 1-2 years,
and support AAM (that actually works) and hitless-AAM now.  HAAM has
been great for us with the occasional ducting we get in the valley.  I
can deal with it dropping from 280MBps to 110Mbps at 6am rather than
dropping the link completely.  The upgrade is a bit complicated, so I'd
suggest calling DW before the upgrade and carefully reading the release
notes.  They've been very helpful every time I've called/emailed.  I
have a version-by-version outline too, if you're interested.

-Kristian

On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 13:15 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Actually, I feel one of the flaws to the Dragonwave is that their
> clips to the antenna easilly can break if not careful when connecting
> them.
> Trango's are much more durable. (actually I'm not talking about the
> clips, but the metal-like part  that the clips grab). On Andrews these
> parts are on the antenna side, on Trango they are on the radio side.
> You can however, buy a replacement plate for the antenna, if they
> break.
>  
> But with that said, my 23Ghz Dragonwave Horizon link has been
> wonderful, I've never touched it since the day installed, works
> perfrect.
> My 24Gzh dragonwave on the other hand, has been a bit more
> temporamental. I've never gotten full RSSI out of it that path calcs
> show I should, so run at 50mb instead of 100mb to get quality link,
> and I have to reboot it every 6 months or so, when it stops passing
> traffic. We stopped investigating why at somepoint, because it was
> good enough for the application.  I'm not meaning to bash DW 24Ghz,
> I've just used one link, so it could be an isolated case. Not enough
> links to have large enough sampling, to ahve a valid opinion.  (note,
> I'm aware polarity orientation gets reverse on the opposite side with
> the DW 24G model)
>  
> Personally, I think the "relationship factor" is becomming a bigger
> factor to what product to buy. I think its important to buy Licensed
> products from a supplier that you have a good relationship with, and
> what they stock more of.  When in a bind, who's gonna overnbight you a
> radio, without charging you inflated list price? (I'll leave it to the
> buyer, to determine who they have a good relationship with)
>  
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Bob Moldashel 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed 11ghz Hops
> 
> 
> Ceragon today is NOT the same Ceragon it was 3 years ago.  
> 
> Unlike many here when it comes to choosing equipment I don't
> chase the price point.  I look at who supplies the outstanding
> support.  I look for the company that has my back when I am up
> against the wall with a dead link.
> 
> And until someone can blow away their delivery schedule and
> their technical/customer support, Dragonwave is my company of
> choice for licensed microwave. Radio clips to the antenna,
> POE, simple interface, easy equipment replacement.  
> 
> And most importantly.  the sh*t works!  
> 
> I can't remember EVER needing to do a firmware upgrade on a
> Dragonwave radio to make it work right. I can't say that for
> many of the other manufacturers and I have installed a lot of
> different equipment over the years.
> 
> -B-
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/4/2010 10:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> > The air must be different there.  I can't stand Ceragon
> > stuff.  Nothing but problems.  Zero support.  The firmware
> > is terrible as is the interface.
> > 
> > On Nov 4, 2010 9:58 PM, "Brad Belton" 
> > wrote:
> > > Agreed. We have had Ser# 0001 11GHz Trango GigaLINK in
> > service since early 2008 among several others since then
> > with great service. The few times we’ve needed Trango
> > support they have been extremely responsive and helpful. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I think we also have one of the first if not the first
> > 18GHz GigaLINK in service too since mid 2007. We’ll be
> > hanging three more Trango Giga’s & Apex’s in the next few
> > weeks. We have always been early adopters of
> > Sunstream/Trango equipment.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > We have DragonWave, BridgeWave, Trango, DMC, Ceragon and
> > PCOM licensed gear deployed and active in 6GHz, 11GHz,
> > 18GHz, 23GHz, 38GHz and 70-80GHz on our network. By far the
> > Trango, BridgeWave and Ceragon links are our favorites.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
>   

Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Kristian Hoffmann]

For what it's worth, RouterOS 4.13 installed on the SuperMicro 5015A-H
without a hitch (CF in a flash reader w/ netinstall).  It actually
booted on 2.9.50 (old flash), but lacked network interfaces.  The
performance difference between the P3 800 and the Atom 330 was minimal
(as it relates to BGP lookups).  Querying the routing tables was still
in the 2-3 minute time range.  Routing filter updates took about 30
seconds.

Vyatta also installed just fine.  However, even moderately complicated
AS path regexs took only 2-3 seconds to complete, sometimes less.  I
couldn't find a query on the BGP table that took more than a couple of
seconds.

So it looks like the answer to my original question is...no, it's not
normal and it's not the hardware, it's just RouterOS that doesn't
perform very well in this area.  On top of that, the ability to
troubleshoot BGP routing issues on RouterOS appears to be significantly
limited compared to Cisco and Cisco-like (e.g. Quagga) implementations.

As far as the hardware goes, it appears to be performing quite well.
Here are the parts if anyone is interested...

1x SuperMicro 5015A-H ($247)
2x DDR2 667 1G RAM ($20)
1x Super Talent 2.5 inch 16GB SATA SSD ($45)


I realize this isn't a Cisco GSR12000.  We have and are using Cisco,
Riverstone, etc. because they were best suited for a particular task.
Each environment/problem warrants different possible solutions and
variations based on personal preference, business needs, etc.


Thanks again for all the information.  This is obviously an complex
problem with many possible solutions.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 17:37 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:
> 
> > I still need to try a Vyatta system.
> 
> I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
> use RouterOS now).  Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
> completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.
> 
> I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
> I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
> with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
> to see performance on, let me know.
> 
> And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
> helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is "I have no idea
> what I'm going to do."  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
> Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Kristian
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Re: [WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:52 -0500, Scott Lambert wrote:

> I still need to try a Vyatta system.

I loathe the idea of managing a *nix distro on a router (which is why we
use RouterOS now).  Apparently I've had too much Tik-aid, because I had
completely forgotten about Vyatta and similar options.

I have a SuperMicro 5015A-H (Atom 330 dual-core) coming in tomorrow.
I'm going to try RouterOS and Vyatta and see how BGP responds on each
with a single feed.  If anyone else has an x86-based distro they'd like
to see performance on, let me know.

And thanks for all the responses.  The information has been very
helpful.  Unfortunately, the conclusion I came to is "I have no idea
what I'm going to do."  Cisco = $$$ and MikroTik = coin flip.  Hopefully
Vyatta lands somewhere in the middle.

Thanks,

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[WISPA] Full BGP on RouterOS

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

Does anyone have 1-2 full BGP routing tables on a MikroTik router?  If
so, what kind of hardware are you running.  I'm testing a single feed on
a P3 800.  It loads the routes fine, and seems to handle the routes in
stride (all 328659 of them), until you start poking at the routing table
like...

/ip route print count-only where bgp-as-path="1234"

An AS that yielded 500 routes took 1-2 minutes at 100% CPU to complete.
Is this "normal" these days, or is significantly greater hardware in
order?  I used to have a full feed on a Cisco 3640.  It took 5-10
minutes to load all of the routes after a reload, and it was almost
impossible to log in, high packet loss, etc. during that time.

So, should it take 10 seconds on real hardware, or is this type of query
always slow?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Monitoring batteries

[Kristian Hoffmann]

If you have (or get) a MorningStar charge controller, you could use one
of these...

http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=32&zenid=a701d853c4139d3f3c191b7dd586f1d0

Note that I've haven't personally tried one of these...but I want to.

-Kristian

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> remote tower powered by solar and would like to monitor them via the
> web.
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Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

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It lists the 80/50% figures for additional allocations, but nothing that
I can find for initial allocations.  Thanks for the confirmation.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 22:11 -0500, Jon Auer wrote:
> I asked about the cable exemption and they said it was "only for cable
> operators" and not for anyone that assigns IPs to a geographic area
> (tower).
> We were able to get more space by showing over 80% of our existing
> space was assigned to other entities (customers) and of that space 50%
> of the major blocks were used. I believe those numbers are in their
> docs.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address
> > space from ARIN?  Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a
> > WISP to justify "need"?  There are specific provisions for cable
> > operators so that they can request enough space for every household they
> > are able to serve.  I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what
> > the basis for our need should look like.  Also, the ARIN policy refers
> > to "efficient utilization" often, but doesn't seem to define what that
> > is.  Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is
> > used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who
> > looks like they have their documentation together?
> >
> > My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for
> > initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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[WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request

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Hi,

Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address
space from ARIN?  Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a
WISP to justify "need"?  There are specific provisions for cable
operators so that they can request enough space for every household they
are able to serve.  I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what
the basis for our need should look like.  Also, the ARIN policy refers
to "efficient utilization" often, but doesn't seem to define what that
is.  Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is
used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who
looks like they have their documentation together?

My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for
initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. 

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

ogr2ogr can convert KML to Shapfile (and many other formats).  Here's a
list of all the supported formats...

http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_formats.html

The command line is something like...

ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" output.shp input.kml

This is the python wrapper for the polygonize functionality...

http://svn.osgeo.org/gdal/trunk/gdal/swig/python/scripts/gdal_polygonize.py

It comes packaged with the RPMs in EPEL, if RHEL or CentOS is your
thing.


-Kristian


On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 10:09 -0600, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Thanks Brian, Kristian,
> 
> I'll have to check out Splat! some time soon.  My process involved 
> converting the Radiomobile overlay into a raster (svg) in Inkscape, then 
> convert that to KML.  I can't remember off the top of my head how I did 
> it, but I was able to preserve the gps coordinates of the shape through 
> the conversions.  My primary need was to create interactive Google maps 
> (ie: your home can be served by ap1, ap3 and ap4, with ap1 being the 
> closest).  There are a number of apps for converting from KML shapes to 
> .shp files, just haven't had a chance to experiment with them yet.
> 
> * Inkscape: http://inkscape.org/
> * KML2SVG: http://kml2svg.free.fr/index3.php
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Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We use Splat! to generate raster maps of our coverage.  With the new
Splat! HD version, and the SRTM1 data, you can produce 30m accurate
plots.  We then use perl bindings for the GDAL/OGR libraries to convert
them into GeoTIFFs (geo-located raster files).  The magic trick is that
the library has a "polygonize" function that converts the raster data
set into a vector which can be output into the shapefile format.

Once scripted, the process isn't too time consuming from an operator
standpoint, but takes ~8 hours to complete for our entire network at the
30m resolution on a relatively fast machine.

The input for the script is a set containing antenna location, bearing,
beamwidth, polarity, and the acceptable RSL.  Brian, I know you're a GIS
ninja, but I'd be happy to share info on the process if you think it
would be helpful.

Regards,

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:10 -0400, Brian Webster wrote:
> The problem with the Radio Mobile plots is that they are just image
> overlays. Shape files are referred to as vector files similar to what
> Autocad files are. What that means is that the file is a series of
> instructions of points and instruction on how to connect them to
> create lines which render at the proper scale and proportion at
> whatever zoom level the map is rendered. You can equate this to a
> picture that becomes pixilated when you zoom in too far.
> 
>  
> 
> To answer your question, I know of no free tools to do what you
> mention (although they may exist but I don’t use them because I have
> tools for the job already). The process would be to take your image in
> to some sort of mapping program and calibrate the image so that the
> software knows the latitude and longitude of any pixel in the image
> area. You would then have to do some process which would create an
> outline of the coverage area to develop a polygon line system. This
> polygon is not a line but a series of instructions using points and
> commands on how to draw the line at any given zoom level.
> 
>  
> 
> I do these things in my GIS software and it is a tedious process.
> 
>  
> 
> One could always hand trace the coverage area using Google Earth. Many
> did this for the original map.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From:Randy Cosby [mailto:dco...@infowest.com] 
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:55 AM
> To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time to update the National WISP Map?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Any tips on turning radiomobile coverage overlays into shape files?
> I've been playing with some open source tools and have made a little
> progress, but haven't had time to refine the technique yet.  I think
> if ISPs could produce shape files more easily, the response would be
> much greater.   For our state program (Utah), we gave them gps coords
> for each subscriber, which they used to extrapolate approximate area.
> I know they also accepted radiomobile graphic overlays and converted
> them for some ISP's.  Of course they have millions of dollars to spend
> on such projects...  I was disappointed with how few did submit this
> round.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 10/11/2010 8:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: 
> 
> I have been thinking that I should do another update to the WISP
> National Map. I would really love to improve the quality of the
> coverage area this time. The thought is to have each WISP who
> participated in their respective state broadband mapping initiative
> request a copy of the shape file for their network. If everyone sent
> that information to me I could use that to create a better nationwide
> map.
> 
>  
> 
> Thoughts, ideas, complaints?
> 
>  
> 
> For those who are not familiar with my previous work on this project
> you can visit these links:
> 
> http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National-Coverage-Map-for-Fixed-Wireless-ISP%27s.php
>  this page describes the project
> 
> http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm this links to the
> live Google Map
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] 11GHz fade margin

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We have a ~22 mile DragonWave Horizon Compact 11GHz link (6 ft dishes)
that is 100ft AMSL at one end and 3500ft at the other.  Attached are the
modem RSL and equalizer stress graphs for the last year.  Looking over
the last month or two, I can see 2-5dB variations in RSL, but nothing
more significant than that.

On the other hand, we have some 10 mile links (nearly same height at
both ends) that vary 10-20dB in the early morning during early spring
and early fall (we assume due to ducting).  So I guess it really comes
down to location.  But for my $0.02 I'd say it's possible.


-Kristian


On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 11:51 -0500, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I'm looking at deploying some 11GHz gear.  I would like to do one path
> in two 27 Mile Hops.  Using 6' dishes I show a fade margin of 19db.
> Is this adequate for 11GHz at that rage?  At 5GHz - 6GHz, I would be
> fine with it.
> 
> Is anyone else pushing 11GHz this far?
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Taking Mikrotik down

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We inherited a bridged network (bridged EoIP tunnels over routing
w/OSPF) that had similar problems.  It turned out to be caused by Belkin
(and similar) routers that resend packets they don't think they should
have received (or don't know what to do with) back out their WAN
interface.  If you have two of these routers on the same ethernet
segment...boom.  It loops until one of your backhauls fails and breaks
the cycle.

The reason I think this is similar to your case is that maybe the
Ubiquiti backhauls you installed have a lower PPS capability, and in a
way are protecting your router from the onslaught.

One way to test this theory is to set the horizon to the same value on
all of your bridge ports facing customers at all of your aggregation
points.  This will prevent the bridge from forwarding traffic between
customers.  It worked for us while trying to isolate the problem because
each tower has it's own EoIP tunnel terminating on a central router.
So, we could control what gets forwarded where in one location.  If your
network is bridged from core to edge, then this would be harder (not
impossible) to implement.

If you do this, though, customers on the same IP subnet won't be able to
reach each other.

Regards,

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 12:30 -0700, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> Brett, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Mikrotik programming so I 
> wanted to ask you this.  Last week and further back about four times a 
> week we had a cascading crash of our bridged network whereas the LAN 
> side of the Mikrotik Backhauls would crash presumably from traffic.  
> Wireshark showed some anomalies such as IPv6 traffic, some ICMP sneaking 
> through the filters, a random STP Cisco and some TCP flooding but really 
> nothing that should take down so many radios, a simple reboot fixed the 
> problem and it didn't happen again for a day to several days later.
> 
> Friday we changed out three Mikrotik backhauls and AP's with Ubiquity 
> gear and upgraded our Bandwidth manager enhancing its rules as well.  
> Today we're having the same attack as before but now it's not taking 
> down the system, Our bandwidth monitor is pegged on incoming traffic and 
> outgoing traffic at 176% of normal (we normally peak at 99% download 30% 
> up) but no radio's are going down, our system latency at the affected 
> tower is 300ms and we're getting intermittent down alarms.  Its great 
> because we have the first chance to go customer by customer trying to 
> find the source but I guess I'm asking if you have any ideas how to find 
> or filter this problem?  We think the source is comin
> 
> Thanks,
> Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

[Kristian Hoffmann]

It's a little daunting at first, but you can download the TIGER/Line
shapefiles for your area here...

http://www2.census.gov/cgi-bin/shapefiles2009/national-files

Select your State (on the right), and then county.  Then you can pick
which layers you want.  Then render them however you like in any GIS
application.  uDig is free (as in beer and speech) and should do what
you're looking for.

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On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 17:36 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high 
> resolution maps from.  I have multiple project going where I need to map 
> out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific 
> information user added to the map.  Then I need to output it to a 
> plotter or Kinkos so we can make working material out of them.  Does not 
> need to be color but color would be nice.
> 
> I have to be able to print 24" x 36"
> 
> Tnx
> 
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[WISPA] IPv6 transition

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Hi,

Has anyone begun planning or implementing their IPv6 transition?

We're using mostly MikroTik for routing, so there's basic support there,
but it's still lacking some important features.  After researching the
myriad transition mechanisms, I'm no closer to coming up with a good
plan.  It seems that every RFC available on the subject has been
deprecated by a newer unimplemented RFC.

Has anyone had better luck coming up with a plan using components
regularly available to WISPs?

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:04 -0500, Matt wrote:

> We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
> Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
> cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
> price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
> from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
> ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
> get back to us in a week or so.
> 
> Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
> called OptiMan something if we have fiber?

It's Opt E MAN...

https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89

We were in the same situation (AT&T fiber with a DS3 for ~10 years), but
they did let us upgrade from our DS3 to Opt E MAN without pulling any
new fiber.  Maybe they don't have that capability in your CO?

-Kristian





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