[WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Robert West]

When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a
well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down with
parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO
boy

 

We're done.  Please remove me from  the WISPA list and be happy.

 

The world is cruel,  this be true.  But Connected Nation  Et tu, Brute?

 

Yes.  You.

 

I will not be controlled.  I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS.

 

I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn
well please.  

 

Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was
replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow...  "Our people
feel threatened by your video."

 

So sad for them.  They are threatened  I bet they are.  I really bet
they are.

 

Waiting for the FCC to show up..  HA!

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 

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"Affordable Internet For Everyone!"

 

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Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........

[Robert West]

I loved this little presentation...

 

"We offer a program that will educate and encourage people to use broadband
internet!"

 

So I say, Uh  "They kinda need broadband internet available to them
first, don't they?"

 

Anyhow, it was a meeting that really had no place for them yet they came in
with all guns blazing.  After we got them all to shut the heck up we got
some real work done.  

 

Without them.

 

*Sigh*

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:53 PM
To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

Whaaa whhhaat want wannnt waannnt waa

 



J

 

From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:51 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

You remember the teacher in the Charlie Brown (Sponsored by Dolly Madison
Cakes) Specials?

 

It was kinda like that.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

So do tell, what did they have to say?

 



Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



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Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........

[Robert West]

Always expect the best

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

How professional!

 

David Hannum

New Era Broadband, LLC



 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 

 
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Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........

[Robert West]

You remember the teacher in the Charlie Brown (Sponsored by Dolly Madison
Cakes) Specials?

 

It was kinda like that.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

So do tell, what did they have to say?

 



Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



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Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

[Robert West]

So I'd be cool with my 128k ISDN line from back in 1999?

 

I'm still Da Dude!

 

YES

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

Page 5 on the big PDF is great.  Everything they mention in the first speed
tier can be done with under 100 kbit/s.



 
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On 1/6/2011 2:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

We're 41!  We're 41!!!

 

Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/25239e0340bb2a2021_v9m6bzg1t.pdf

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/299ed94e144d5adeb1_mlblqoxe9.pdf

 

 

 

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Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

So one can’t easily convert into a Rocket.  J

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 


you can select internal,external, or internal and external for mimo.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 4:17 PM

The 900L lists “External SMA Connector” but being a MIMO, I guessed it would 
have 2.  If just one, does the firmware allow you to choose 1 chain for the 
external for tx or rx?  Or both…….?  Just one?  Sounds like an exploratory 
mission.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

Locos have connectors?

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

The 900L lists "External SMA Connector" but being a MIMO, I guessed it would
have 2.  If just one, does the firmware allow you to choose 1 chain for the
external for tx or rx?  Or both...?  Just one?  Sounds like an exploratory
mission.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

Locos have connectors?

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

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Speechless



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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

What about the 900 Locos?  One or 2 SMA connectors?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

It will in a couple months.

On Jan 11, 2011 10:35 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> That product does not exist
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> 787.273.4143
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone done any BETA tests with the 900MHz version of the Rocket
> GPS? Any real world results you can share? Looking to replace some old
> Canopy 9000 units and so far this is looking okay.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried the external SMA on the Locos? Is this a single SMA or
> are there 2? Data sheet just lists "Connector". If one, would it make
> sense to pair a yagi to it if need be?
> 
> 
> 
> So many questions and so many reasons not to go out in the
> snow..
> 
> 
> 
> Robert West
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

Yeah, Ben told me today March or April.  Just didn't know if anyone was
doing any testing before then.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

It will in a couple months.

On Jan 11, 2011 10:35 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> That product does not exist
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> 787.273.4143
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone done any BETA tests with the 900MHz version of the Rocket
> GPS? Any real world results you can share? Looking to replace some old
> Canopy 9000 units and so far this is looking okay.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried the external SMA on the Locos? Is this a single SMA or
> are there 2? Data sheet just lists "Connector". If one, would it make
> sense to pair a yagi to it if need be?
> 
> 
> 
> So many questions and so many reasons not to go out in the
> snow..
> 
> 
> 
> Robert West
> 
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> 
> 740-335-7020
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

Has anyone done any BETA tests with the 900MHz version of the Rocket GPS?
Any real world results you can share?  Looking to replace some old Canopy
9000 units and so far this is looking okay.

 

Has anyone tried the external SMA on the Locos?  Is this a single SMA or are
there 2?  Data sheet just lists "Connector".  If one, would it make sense to
pair a yagi to it if need be?

 

So many questions and so many reasons not to go out in the snow..

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ping

[Robert West]

Nope.  Didn't get it.  Adjust your tri-speck angular SSL packet filter and
try it again.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:53 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Ping

 

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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

Yeah.  I'm just on the foothills of it all, the end of the glacier edge.
Had to hand dig a 6x6 by 4 foot deep hole for a 65 foot freestanding tower
this past summer and it was in glacial till, the crap the glacier had on the
leading edge when  it stopped and melted.  To say I was digging in dirt
would have been incorrect.  It was honestly like digging in a pile of rock
with a little bit of dirt thrown in.   I gave up halfway through and offered
a guy 40 bucks to finish it for me.  Of course he agreed before he saw the
hole.  A sucker born every minute!

 

About a third of our network is flat, a third rolling hills and the rest is
a pain in the a*s.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 9:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

Once I go east  no more then an hour I see bigger hills.  Through Columbus
you start seeing a bunch.

In Wisconsin they boast it is flat.  I thought it was better in my neck of
town.

On Jan 8, 2011 9:00 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> Yep. You're in the glacier area. Flat as a pancake all the way to Lake
> Erie.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford
> 
> 
> 
> Not around here. It's more flat in out area then I have seen any where
else
> in the country. Where it does incline it is very shallow.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2011 7:38 PM, "Scott Reed"  wrote:
>> The topography in SE Indiana/SW Ohio _always _has a hill in the middle!!
>> 
>> On 1/8/2011 5:45 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
>>> Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify". Eight miles from 
>>> his nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the 
>>> middle of the path.
>>>
>>> Hit him up
>>>
>>> lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com
> <mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com>
>>>
>>> His number is 513-307-6466. WISPA member as well.
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
>>> *To:* Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Need service in Oxford
>>>
>>> 5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056
>>>
>>> Please contact me if you can service this address.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

Yep.  You're in the glacier area.  Flat as a pancake all the way to Lake
Erie.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

Not around here.  It's more flat in out area then I have seen any where else
in the country.  Where it does incline it is very shallow.

On Jan 8, 2011 7:38 PM, "Scott Reed"  wrote:
> The topography in SE Indiana/SW Ohio _always _has a hill in the middle!!
> 
> On 1/8/2011 5:45 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>> Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify". Eight miles from 
>> his nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the 
>> middle of the path.
>>
>> Hit him up
>>
>> lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com
<mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com>
>>
>> His number is 513-307-6466. WISPA member as well.
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
>> *To:* Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Need service in Oxford
>>
>> 5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056
>>
>> Please contact me if you can service this address.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

He's located in Butler county starting just north of Hamilton and hopefully
in the next week or two he'll have coverage all the way past Middletown.
He's a good dude.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

I was looking for the Google Map of the WISPA members.  Couldn't find it on
the website.  Is it linked on there?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify".  Eight miles from his
nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the middle of the
path.  

 

Hit him up..

 

lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com

 

His number is 513-307-6466.  WISPA member as well.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
To: Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
Subject: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056

Please contact me if you can service this address.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

I know that ALL too well!  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

The topography in SE Indiana/SW Ohio always has a hill in the middle!!

On 1/8/2011 5:45 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify".  Eight miles from his
nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the middle of the
path.  

 

Hit him up..

 

lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com

 

His number is 513-307-6466.  WISPA member as well.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
To: Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
Subject: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056

Please contact me if you can service this address.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify".  Eight miles from his
nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the middle of the
path.  

 

Hit him up..

 

lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com

 

His number is 513-307-6466.  WISPA member as well.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
To: Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
Subject: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056

Please contact me if you can service this address.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

[Robert West]

Actually, I used to tell people I spent some time in an Ohio prison.  Thing
was I did  it about 8 hours or so a day then I'd go home.

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

I had to read that twice, I substituted "worked" for "was" in my brain.
Regards,

Chuck



On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Yep.  Communications Workers of America.  I have had no respect for them
ever since I worked in a prison, years ago right out of high school, and the
prevailing union for the prison guards was...  (Drum Roll..)  The CWA!  

 

I bet they contracted with non-union workers to do the study.  Anyone wanna
take that bet?

 

J

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List


Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

Oh, I get it now, CWA, telco unions, that explains it all - duh!


--

From: Wood, Ernie [mailto:ew...@connectednation.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:13 PM
To: r...@kywifi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

It is a Communication Workers of America initiative. 

Ernie 

Executive Director 
Strategic Program Office 
Connected Nation 
502-599-1093 
www.connectednation.org 

 

  _  

From: Rick Gunderson  
To: Wood, Ernie 
Sent: Fri Jan 07 10:06:05 2011
Subject: RE: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report 

Ernie,

 

Who's in charge of all this? The reports are flawed. I'm sitting on a fiber
connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps currently being utilized and
their best speed test only gives me 5Mbps!

 

Rick Gunderson

KyWiFi

859-274-4033

 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, RickG  wrote:

So, I'm sitting on a fiber connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps
currently being utilized and their speed test gives me a whole 5Mbps! Great
test! ;( 

 

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

Speed test servers are probably in states like Rhonda Island.  Speed to
Rhode Island to Rhode Island > Rhonda Island to California.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

We're 41!  We're 41!!!

 

Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/25239e0340bb2a2021_v9m6bzg1t.pdf

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/299ed94e144d5adeb1_mlblqoxe9.pdf

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

[Robert West]

SWEET!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

I just had it confirmed that it is dual band concurrently.

On 01/06/2011 08:53 PM, Robert West wrote: 

But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:04 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

The pro version will be.

 

Word from UBNT is end of Q1

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

What makes you think they are dual band radios?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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From: "Jerry Richardson"  <mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com>

Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:23 PM
To:  <mailto:motor...@afmug.com> "motor...@afmug.com"
<mailto:motor...@afmug.com> , "WISPA General List"
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

Any sign these are at least on the boat?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

[Robert West]

Yep.  Communications Workers of America.  I have had no respect for them
ever since I worked in a prison, years ago right out of high school, and the
prevailing union for the prison guards was...  (Drum Roll..)  The CWA!  

 

I bet they contracted with non-union workers to do the study.  Anyone wanna
take that bet?

 

J

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

Oh, I get it now, CWA, telco unions, that explains it all - duh!


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From: Wood, Ernie [mailto:ew...@connectednation.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:13 PM
To: r...@kywifi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

It is a Communication Workers of America initiative. 

Ernie 

Executive Director 
Strategic Program Office 
Connected Nation 
502-599-1093 
www.connectednation.org 

 

  _  

From: Rick Gunderson  
To: Wood, Ernie 
Sent: Fri Jan 07 10:06:05 2011
Subject: RE: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report 

Ernie,

 

Who's in charge of all this? The reports are flawed. I'm sitting on a fiber
connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps currently being utilized and
their best speed test only gives me 5Mbps!

 

Rick Gunderson

KyWiFi

859-274-4033

 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, RickG  wrote:

So, I'm sitting on a fiber connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps
currently being utilized and their speed test gives me a whole 5Mbps! Great
test! ;( 

 

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

Speed test servers are probably in states like Rhonda Island.  Speed to
Rhode Island to Rhode Island > Rhonda Island to California.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

We're 41!  We're 41!!!

 

Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/25239e0340bb2a2021_v9m6bzg1t.pdf

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/299ed94e144d5adeb1_mlblqoxe9.pdf

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for $3.1 billion in cash

[Robert West]

I'm sure that if they jack up the price, a Chinese manufacturer will be more
than happy to fill the void with chips that "somehow" operate the same as
the Atheros.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for
$3.1 billion in cash

Isn't every Ubnt radio sold powered by Atheros chips? I wonder if this could
mean a future issue for our supply of low cost radios?
Scriv


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Brough Turner  wrote:
>
> Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for $3.1 billion in 
> cash, seeking to fill a hole in its chip-making operations.
>
> Atheros's shares closed Tuesday at $44, compared with the $45 offer price.
> The target's stock had surged Tuesday following news that Qualcomm was 
> close to making the deal.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704405704576063453274665
> 320.html?mod=djemalertTECH
>
> another article (not behind a registration or pay wall):
>
> http://www.slashgear.com/qualcomm-buy-atheros-in-3-1bn-ubiquitous-conn
> ectivity-deal-05123321/
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

[Robert West]

But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:04 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

The pro version will be.

 

Word from UBNT is end of Q1

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

What makes you think they are dual band radios?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 

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From: "Jerry Richardson" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:23 PM
To: "motor...@afmug.com" , "WISPA General List"

Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

Any sign these are at least on the boat?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

I hear ya, brother.  I hear ya.  These hotel higher ups need to get with the
"Now" on this wireless.  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what we
have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can
bypass it.
The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really
change at all.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?  

 

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where
baby oil comes from..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?  

 

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where
baby oil comes from..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

At the beginning it was a disclaimer page that the hotel operator wanted to
have at the suggestion of his lawyer.  Basically it would say "It's free but
everyone else is also on it and don't come crying to me if your computer or
finances get all jacked up".

 

The "Patel" wanted to try to make a buck and sell ad's on the splash page.  

 

But it's gone now.  Thankfully.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Better link.  Has descriptions.

http://www.digdice.com/ubiquiti-new-product-line/




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Steering APs from UBNT?

Greg

On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> It's all about how you engineer it.  I'm not judging your installs because
I don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles.
You won't have quality connections doing that.  NanoBridge 22s and 25s are
about all I'm looking to use for CPE.  By the time I'm ready to start
building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available.
> 
> In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more
customers, so your ranges are less.  I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles.  In the
country, 10 - 15 miles.
> 
> In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70.
> 





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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Yep.  Check 'em out!

http://www.digdice.com/new-ubiquiti-airmax-products-pictures/



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Steering APs from UBNT?

Greg

On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> It's all about how you engineer it.  I'm not judging your installs because
I don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles.
You won't have quality connections doing that.  NanoBridge 22s and 25s are
about all I'm looking to use for CPE.  By the time I'm ready to start
building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available.
> 
> In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more
customers, so your ranges are less.  I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles.  In the
country, 10 - 15 miles.
> 
> In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70.
> 





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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

How are the NanoBridges?  I haven't started using them yet but suggest Liam
give them a try and replace the NanoStations he's been using.  But he's
doing 2.4 so the gain isn't as great on the 2.4's.  Any experience with the
2.4 flavor over the Nano?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

It's all about how you engineer it.  I'm not judging your installs because I
don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles.
You won't have quality connections doing that.  NanoBridge 22s and 25s are
about all I'm looking to use for CPE.  By the time I'm ready to start
building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available.

In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more
customers, so your ranges are less.  I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles.  In the
country, 10 - 15 miles.

In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70.





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 12:02 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Not sure where you are going to be able to run 3x sectors on 40Mz channels -
at least not where people are.

 

In my fairly noisy area MIMO's strength is the ability get 20-25Mbps on a
10MHz channel

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

300 meg association rate, closer to 130 - 150 actual throughput, at the AP,
not at the CPE.  I'd say probably no more than 30 customers per AP.  You
might have usable throughput at the end of that.  :-p






 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 8:14 AM, Robert West wrote: 

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Doing the new GPS Sync on the AP in order to go 40mhz wide?  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

Those are just Ubiquiti AirMax systems, nothing fancy.



 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 10:46 AM, Robert West wrote: 

40mhz channel width on all radios?  Licensed or non?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

300 meg association rate, closer to 130 - 150 actual throughput, at the AP,
not at the CPE.  I'd say probably no more than 30 customers per AP.  You
might have usable throughput at the end of that.  :-p






 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 8:14 AM, Robert West wrote: 

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

Yeah but the hardware sounds similar.  I was just remarking that war driving
freaks would be all over that setup.

WEP cracking?  People still use that???  :)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

ultimate? No WEP/WPA cracking, no mitm ap spoofing, no cookie
sniffing, etc etc

What Scott seams to really want is a 20/40mhz survey rig with a graph.
That can be done from kismet drones ran on any supported hardware (RBs
are supported)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Sounds like the ultimate war driving vehicle!  Cool on so many
> levels
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:21 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>
> OK, after reading a bunch of responses, let's try again.
>
> I am looking for a low-cost, like sub $200 computer that will run off
> 12VDC directly and will run Windows.  It needs a PCI slot or at least 3
> mPCI slots. I have a PCI to mPCI adapter so I can put radio cards in a
> machine with just PCI slots. I also need 1 USB port.
>
> I want to  some other that has to have the radios in a Windows machine.
> One of those is inSSIDer which along with a GPS receiver will plot
> signal strength to location as I drive down the road.
>
> On 1/4/2011 7:48 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
>> weird one!
>>
>> I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the
> radios
>> into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a
truck
>> isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the
> roof.
>> Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.
>>
>> By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
>> control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need
to
>> adjust something, just don't know what yet.
>>
>> Moving on
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>>
>> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
>> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
> slot
>> or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to do site
>> surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Scott Reed
>> Owner
>> NewWays Networking, LLC
>> Wireless Networking
>> Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced
> Certified
>> www.nwwnet.net
>> (765) 855-1060
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

40mhz channel width on all radios?  Licensed or non?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

300 meg association rate, closer to 130 - 150 actual throughput, at the AP,
not at the CPE.  I'd say probably no more than 30 customers per AP.  You
might have usable throughput at the end of that.  :-p





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 8:14 AM, Robert West wrote: 

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.




 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.



 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

Sounds like the ultimate war driving vehicle!  Cool on so many
levels



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

OK, after reading a bunch of responses, let's try again.

I am looking for a low-cost, like sub $200 computer that will run off 
12VDC directly and will run Windows.  It needs a PCI slot or at least 3 
mPCI slots. I have a PCI to mPCI adapter so I can put radio cards in a 
machine with just PCI slots. I also need 1 USB port.

I want to  some other that has to have the radios in a Windows machine.  
One of those is inSSIDer which along with a GPS receiver will plot 
signal strength to location as I drive down the road.

On 1/4/2011 7:48 PM, Robert West wrote:
> What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
> weird one!
>
> I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the
radios
> into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a truck
> isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the
roof.
> Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.
>
> By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
> control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need to
> adjust something, just don't know what yet.
>
> Moving on
>
> Jim-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>
> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
slot
> or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to do site
> surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Owner
> NewWays Networking, LLC
> Wireless Networking
> Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced
Certified
> www.nwwnet.net
> (765) 855-1060
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

So...

 

Run it off the internal battery.  J

 

Had to

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Thats how I do it now but would be nice to bypass the adapter and allow it
for other use.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

No but it wouldn't be hard to install a 3 port socket kit and use a car
adapter.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Do they run on direct 12 volts?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.

 

It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go. 

 

I like the linux version.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:

I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to
do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

--
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Owner
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Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
Mikrotik Advanced Certified
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Re: [WISPA] Windmill install

[Robert West]

I've come across articles and postings concerning the install of antennas on
windmills quite a few times in the past but never gave it a moment's
attention since it wasn't, at the time, of any relevance to me.  However,
looking at it they are just a big pole shoved up from  the ground about 100
feet or so, why not?  I'm permitted to weld brackets onto the thing as long
as it passes the manufacturers okay.  The top of the generator housing would
be the best as far as location but it rotates and I'd have no wired pathway
to the bottom.  (Rotating sectors? A good use of the "ANY" SSID possibly
The blades being stationary at times worries me by blocking the sectors if
installed high up and if I had to install lower then it wouldn't make much
sense to even use the thing.  The generator housing does have an option to
use power supplied from inside of it but I'd need to work those details out
and if it works I wouldn't be able to access the AP directly from the
bottom, as far as I can tell,  and there are NO climbing pegs!  Yikes!

 

Love this job..

 

 

From: Mike Goicoechea [mailto:m...@cielosystems.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:04 PM
To: robert.w...@just-micro.com
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Windmill install

 

I am very curious of what you are doing with windmills. We have TONS of them
around hear and I often thought about how that would be done. I am also
really interested in seeing how wireless can be utilized with wind-farms.
Best of luck. 

 

Mike Goicoechea

VP of Operations 

Cielo Systems International

806-977-9001 ext 101 

806-763-1945 fax

Skype Mike.Goik

m...@cielosystems.net 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Windmill install

 

Just got my first windmill to install on.  How in the heck do you install on
these things?  On the top of the generator housing?Nuts.

 

Only logical thing for me is on the supporting structure under the rotating
housing using sectors.  Yes?  Then what about blocking of the RF by the
blades or worse, a no wind condition and the blades are stationary in front
of a sector?  Anyone???

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Yep.  Should have been a major part of the engineering.  The "Cubical
Culture" sometimes misses what the reality of usefulness in the field is.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

As noisy as 2.4 is anymore I don't see how you could run both chains to
begin with. I never realized that you couldn't turn one off. It does seem
like a glaring issue to me.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Yep.  An afterthought hardware workaround.  Thought the same thing but
messy.  Would be slick to redirect the energy with a click of the mouse
through the firmware.  Was suggested early on during the beta tests but was
dismissed by those who were blinded by the glory.  It just makes logical
sense to be able to easily switch off a chain.  Crazy, man.  Just
crazy..

Heck, I can turn off one antenna in a nothing Wal-Mart wireless
router



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:03 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could put a
couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally disable it.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree 
> sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks,
> 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay 
> for shipping easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single 
> polarity.  With a 5.8 system it's important to me to be able to 
> separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish 
> UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the 
> Rockets  Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a 
> perfect world) to the customer?
> 
>  
> 
> These look good.  Who is stocking them?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me 
> of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical 
> slide" that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I 
> really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with 
> the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there.
> 
>  
> 
> Hm..
> 
>  
> 
> What are the price points on these dudes?  
> 
>  
> 
> Me-
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> any experience with these? Any good?
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
> __
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[WISPA] Windmill install

[Robert West]

Just got my first windmill to install on.  How in the heck do you install on
these things?  On the top of the generator housing?Nuts.

 

Only logical thing for me is on the supporting structure under the rotating
housing using sectors.  Yes?  Then what about blocking of the RF by the
blades or worse, a no wind condition and the blades are stationary in front
of a sector?  Anyone???

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



"Affordable Internet For Everyone!"

 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

I use a 12 buck Wal-Mart cigarette adapter plugged inverter and the
manufacturer supplied 120 volt to 19 volt adapter.  Keeps my life simple.
Well, simple in a "No Females Involved" kinda way.

 

No disrespect to any females out there.  Well  Never mind.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Do they run on direct 12 volts?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.

 

It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go. 

 

I like the linux version.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:

I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to
do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

--
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays Networking, LLC
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
Mikrotik Advanced Certified
www.nwwnet.net
(765) 855-1060






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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Yep.  An afterthought hardware workaround.  Thought the same thing but messy.  
Would be slick to redirect the energy with a click of the mouse through the 
firmware.  Was suggested early on during the beta tests but was dismissed by 
those who were blinded by the glory.  It just makes logical sense to be able to 
easily switch off a chain.  Crazy, man.  Just crazy..

Heck, I can turn off one antenna in a nothing Wal-Mart wireless 
router



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:03 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could put a 
couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally disable it.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> Well, the math says that since I’ve been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree 
> sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks,
> 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay 
> for shipping easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it’s the single 
> polarity.  With a 5.8 system it’s important to me to be able to 
> separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish 
> UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the 
> Rockets  Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a 
> perfect world) to the customer?
> 
>  
> 
> These look good.  Who is stocking them?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me 
> of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus “Mechanical 
> slide” that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I 
> really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with 
> the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there.
> 
>  
> 
> Hm……
> 
>  
> 
> What are the price points on these dudes?  
> 
>  
> 
> Me-
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> any experience with these? Any good?
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
> __
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> 01/04/11
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

Ditto.

 

 

 

(This comes from my 12th dimension twin.  Please ignore.)

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Linux version is harder to use then Windows in my opinion.  I an a decent
linux advocate too.

Primarily ip changing problems.  Browser is easy enough and had bash.

On Jan 4, 2011 8:55 PM, "Jerry Richardson"  wrote:
> Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.
> 
> It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go.
> 
> I like the linux version.
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
> 
> Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed
mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>> wrote:
> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows. It needs at least 1 PCI
> slot or 3 mPCI slots. I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to
> do site surveys, etc. Any suggestions?
> 
> --
> Scott Reed
> Owner
> NewWays Networking, LLC
> Wireless Networking
> Network Design, Installation and Administration
> Mikrotik Advanced Certified
> www.nwwnet.net
> (765) 855-1060
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
weird one!

I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the radios
into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a truck
isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the roof.
Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.

By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need to
adjust something, just don't know what yet.

Moving on

Jim-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI slot
or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to do site
surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

--
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Owner
NewWays Networking, LLC
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified
www.nwwnet.net
(765) 855-1060






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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Ohio news article mentions Just Micro

[Robert West]

Cool, didn't see that until Now, Thanks!.  Girl was saying she was gonna
publish today but I forgot.

Yeah, Liam and I have been working it down there.  It's one heck of a mess
and I guess has been for years.  Hopefully it's coming to an end and these
people can get some reliable service without all the players going to
jail.!

Bob-


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Behalf Of David Hulsebus
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ohio news article mentions Just Micro

Nice article. Congrats Robert

http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/oxford-news/internet-companies-expanding-int
o-butler-county-1044261.html

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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

I believe he has exclusive use of a 300 foot tower and all grain legs he's
the only one on.  Shouldn't be any additional expense for him other than
equipment.  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

LOL. 

 

The question I have is

Was OLD BOY on a per antenna or per grain leg contract?

Meaning, to accommodate OLD HAM's Request, did Old boy get consessions of
getting free colo for the added sector antennas? Or did Old boy have to pay
more rent for more antennas?

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Robert West <mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com>  

To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

[Robert West]

http://www.sixnet.com/product/6-port-industrial-ethernet-oem-managed-switch-
115.cfm

I looked at these when working on a solar install.  Never ordered though,
found a non-solar solution.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Lambert
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:43:32AM -0800, MDK wrote:
> Unless someone knows of a managed switch that uses less than 3W power, 
> I'm stuck with dumb switches...

RB493G PDF:

http://routerboard.com/pricelist/download_file.php?file_id=259

" Power consumption ~3W without extension cards, maximum -- 16 "

What I don't understand is the RB250GS 5port switch only, claims "up to 6W."

The PDFs for RB450G and RB750G say "6.4W at maximum load."

The PDF for RB750 (100Mbps ports) says "Up to 3W."

I don't know if any of those would be suitable for use as a switch in your
situation...

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Smart way to operate, IMO.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 5:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

We have first right on all three bands. Saved us more than once

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

But they aren't on the same grain legs, just within LOS of each other.  But
as far as getting things on paper, you're right although I'd rather have
exclusive use.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Bottom line in all this is very simple.

 

When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.

Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.

 

While handshakes are nice - paper wins hands down. 

 

 

On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 

Even if they're wrong, you won't win!

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
 


On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

But they aren't on the same grain legs, just within LOS of each other.  But
as far as getting things on paper, you're right although I'd rather have
exclusive use.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Bottom line in all this is very simple.

 

When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.

Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.

 

While handshakes are nice - paper wins hands down. 

 

 

On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:





Even if they're wrong, you won't win!



-
Mike Hammett
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http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
 


On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Ha!  Ain't that the truth!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Even if they're wrong, you won't win!



 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Robert West]

Hell no.  Boy tried to put the hard sell on me for that but I wasn't falling
for it.

 

We're cool.  Had the electric co-op put in the aux sub-station out back, no
issues.  A waste, in my eyes.

 

I'm not THAT flippin' stupid.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 

LOL! You didnt get the EC #OU812 added which lowers the electric usage? ;)

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I've had my Univac-1 running since 1951 and other than the $6,000.00 a month
electric bill it's been perfect for us.

 

No need to change, as far as I can see.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 

Just FYI...  

We use linux and windows.  They all run for years without problems.  Not
sure what you guys are doing to cause any server to have problems once a
week but its your problem not windows.  Most likely hardware or lack of
understanding of the person managing it.

Its silly to think any main stream OS is incapable of operating properly and
reliably.  I use and support both OSs so don't let this spin out of control
to an OS discussion. 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 
1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the 
last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The 
only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is 
only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system.

I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) 
notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH!

Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last 
two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have

became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit,

wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you 
have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant!

Scott

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems


I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically.

I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc).
Never an issue with any of them.

One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks. I have issues with it at
least once a week. Updates reboot it and configuration is lost.
Rights to add a printer for the CPA. Rights for IE's security
permissions. Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk
(updates I'm guessing). It's just a mess.

Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers
tend to cost more time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning 
> Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the 
> time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free 
> apps and Linux servers. But to this point at <700 clients I haven't needed

> it and I will be looking into that in the future.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
>
> Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure 
> server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power 
> supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT!
> There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that...
>
> Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently 
> run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office 
> (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for 
> Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail 
> server, web server, DNS servers, etc.
>
> Anyway...
>
> Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs 
> on 

Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Robert West]

I've had my Univac-1 running since 1951 and other than the $6,000.00 a month
electric bill it's been perfect for us.

 

No need to change, as far as I can see.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 

Just FYI...  

We use linux and windows.  They all run for years without problems.  Not
sure what you guys are doing to cause any server to have problems once a
week but its your problem not windows.  Most likely hardware or lack of
understanding of the person managing it.

Its silly to think any main stream OS is incapable of operating properly and
reliably.  I use and support both OSs so don't let this spin out of control
to an OS discussion. 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 

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From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 
1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the 
last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The 
only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is 
only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system.

I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) 
notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH!

Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last 
two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have

became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit,

wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you 
have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant!

Scott

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems


I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically.

I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc).
Never an issue with any of them.

One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks. I have issues with it at
least once a week. Updates reboot it and configuration is lost.
Rights to add a printer for the CPA. Rights for IE's security
permissions. Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk
(updates I'm guessing). It's just a mess.

Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers
tend to cost more time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning 
> Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the 
> time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free 
> apps and Linux servers. But to this point at <700 clients I haven't needed

> it and I will be looking into that in the future.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
>
> Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure 
> server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power 
> supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT!
> There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that...
>
> Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently 
> run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office 
> (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for 
> Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail 
> server, web server, DNS servers, etc.
>
> Anyway...
>
> Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs 
> on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about

> servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical 
> approach and do what's right for your business.
> Any server is just a tool. Pluses & minuses. You have to do a cost/benefit

> analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the

> field, or who to hire to answer your phones.
>
> On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
>> I get scared when I hear "Windows" and "Software" in the same sentence.
>> Then when you add "Server" I usually run.
>>
>> Shane MacDonald
>> KP Performance Antennas
>>
>>
>> On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote:
>>
>>> We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and
>>> ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and ver

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

And the EIRP was...?  J

 

An OMNI 10 years or so would be cool.  Now, not in my neighborhood!  I use
one for site surveys at times when I'm looking for competing 2.4
frequencies.  The last time I fired it up at home the radios filled the
screen.  

 

Using 5.8 at home now for the laptops.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

   I did a climb for a local WISP back in 2002.  We put a 325 foot run of
LMR400 up a tower with 1 watt amps at the top and bottom. This fed into a
Cisco 340 and an omni.  Could see that thing on a site survey 30 miles away.
-- 
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From: Ryan Goldberg 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:14:08 +
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? - about a million years ago (well, 11
years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink
amp on it.  That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java
programmer?!?) so.
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...

On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi
omni
> or worse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
> 
> Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of
> the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he
> has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. 
> 
> 
> 
> New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO
> sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific
> Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the
> backhauls. 
> 
> 
> 
> We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I
really
> wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a
no
> brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good
idea
> but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire
> issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been
> making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over
> having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put
> money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of
his
> rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy
> for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his
> network sucked before any of this happened. 
> 
> 
> 
> And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it
> shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other
side
> should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet
half
> way, I think. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert,
> 
> 
> 
> Still missing some relevent detail...
> 
> 
> 
> New WISP uses 2.4 sectors.
> 
> Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors?
> 
> 
> 
> As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear?
> 
> Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO?
> 
> 
> 
> Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there
> could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination
and
> cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to
who
> has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained sol

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Dunno.  Could be.  I have this vision  in my head of a Linksys router
flashed with DD-WRT taking that setup down as well..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...

On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi
omni
> or worse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
> 
> Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of
> the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he
> has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. 
> 
> 
> 
> New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO
> sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific
> Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the
> backhauls. 
> 
> 
> 
> We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I
really
> wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a
no
> brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good
idea
> but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire
> issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been
> making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over
> having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put
> money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of
his
> rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy
> for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his
> network sucked before any of this happened. 
> 
> 
> 
> And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it
> shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other
side
> should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet
half
> way, I think. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert,
> 
> 
> 
> Still missing some relevent detail...
> 
> 
> 
> New WISP uses 2.4 sectors.
> 
> Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors?
> 
> 
> 
> As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear?
> 
> Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO?
> 
> 
> 
> Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there
> could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination
and
> cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to
who
> has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained solid
> non-interference clauses or spectrum exclusivity clauses in their
contracts,
> versus hand shake deals. 
> 
> 
> 
> I dont agree with the assessment that the problem is the Old Boy's "bad"
> design or unwillingness to change. (see below for justification)
> 
> 
> 
> The fact is, he was there first and had the flexibility to design
optimally
> for his need, and there was really no need for him to design for the new
> providers need, becaue the new provider did not exist at that time. At the
> end oif the day, he has pre-existing custoemrs that need him and that he
> needs revenue from, and he isn;t going to bail on that pre-existing money
> tree, that has been in motion for years. He will fight harder than the new
> provider because, he has more at stake to protect, even though it may be
on
> a smaller scale.
> 
> 
> 
> Both parties are equally obligated to build their networks as interference
> resilent as possible. But there are multiple dissimilar approaches to
> accomplishing that that is jsut as good as another. So who's to say what
is
> ultimately the best practice. Its tough for a company who has buil

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Yeah, I had that once a few years ago.  Took one letter from my lawyer and
it put an end to that.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

   I know of a similar story.  Only twist is old boy is telling their
customers it's all due to new boy.  Can you say slander?
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From: Robert West 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:24:54 -0500
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Actually he did do a scan and in a normal situation  there would be plenty
of room for both however old boy insists on a stick omni as an AP which
tells me that he was marginal at best even without new boy.  New boy tried
to convince old boy to try going to sectors and upgrading things but he's
set in his ways.
 
If the noise was intolerable new boy would have issues but there isn't any
on his end yet he's changed his frequencies to everything old boy asked him
to.  They could both co-exist in the same spectrum if old boy would just
face the fact that he needs to step up a little with his network
engenerring, in my opinion.
 
 
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Here is my take:
Old boy was there first
New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner
Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy
 
Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.
 
I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 
 

- Jerry
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.
 
 
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.
 
Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.
 
That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.
 
There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising h

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Hell, with so few words that makes the most sense out of all of this.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Or better yet turn off those silly Omni sites and let the old boy wholesale
on the new boys network. Old boy doesn't have to maintain sites and
bandwidth anymore and the spectrum will get used most efficiently because
both operators will not be trying to dance around each other's channel
plans.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

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Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much better
outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together on backhaul
etc.

Form a strategic partnership.

- --
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Mobile: 626 539 4344
Office: 310 929 8793
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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

But the reality is, New boy saw the signals, albeit weak.  As a good
citizen, he worked around it.  However, if old boy has a stick omni 10 miles
down range giving out a -90 or worse, what's a brother to think?  That's the
problem with omnis, they pick up anything and everything from everywhere.
How can you effectively deal with that unknown.  I have AP's 4, 5, 6 miles
apart, sectorized and using the same spectrum.  No issues.  New boy met with
Old boy a few times and showed him what he was using and suggested he go to
a more professional setup.  No dice.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

This is different than having to deal with consumer routers.

 

This is a matter of paying attention the environment you are rolling into.
Had NB looked at the spectrum, he would have have seen the noise floor and
realized he needed to co-ordinate before rolling out, or looked at a
different band.

 

Instead, NB threw his gear in the air and is now trying to figure out how to
fix it. From a Part-15 "rules" standpoint you are correct. From a
professional standpoint, NB did a crappy job of planning and now wants to
throw the responsibility for his poor planning back on the other guy. 

 

With that said, had NB contacted OB in advance, and discussed co-locating
and OB told him to piss off, then that's a different situation and OB gets
what he deserves.

 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB)
problem.  Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants
protection he should have bought spectrum.  

As long as NB is following part15 rules and not maliciously trying to
interfere with OB's network then OB has to accept interference from NB's
network, just as NB has to accept interference from OB's network.

It seems that NB has tried to get along, it is about time OB started taking
some responsibility for his network.

I don't get to tell everyone that bought a wireless router in town to take
them back because they interfere with my WISP.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


On 12/29/10 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Here is my take:

Old boy was there first

New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner

Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy

 

Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Yep.  That's why I threw this out there.  He was leaning towards not even
going to the meeting but I think the ideas put forth here is giving him the
confidence he needs.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

I agree with your analysis but unless NB is very knowledgeable and sharp in
explaining the law there is a good chance that OB is going to convince or
confuse the audience at that meeting that NB is the villain who should be
thrown off the grain legs. 



On 12/29/2010 12:20 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: 

Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB)
problem.  Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants
protection he should have bought spectrum.  

As long as NB is following part15 rules and not maliciously trying to
interfere with OB's network then OB has to accept interference from NB's
network, just as NB has to accept interference from OB's network.

It seems that NB has tried to get along, it is about time OB started taking
some responsibility for his network.

I don't get to tell everyone that bought a wireless router in town to take
them back because they interfere with my WISP.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


On 12/29/10 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Here is my take:

Old boy was there first

New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner

Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy

 

Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

And that's what I've been saying.  He's done about all that could be
expected.  I heard from him tonight that old boy called him yet again
threatening that if new boy didn't buy him out he would sell to someone else
and if he couldn't sell it he'd sue him.  For what, I have no idea.  It's a
technology powered business, everyone, new and old, has to keep evolving.
It's what competition is all about, IMO.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Sounds like you've bent over backwards to this point. I'd now send a letter
to all your tower owners outlining what you've done to be cooperative, list
the applicable CFR references and go tell him to take a flying leap, but
that is just me. We had a competitor (actually a customer who thought it
looked simple) come in and try to "mess" with us. He spent so much time
trying to strong arm our tower owners, kill our signal, take down our
advertising, and bad mouth us, that he neglected the handful of customers he
had. He lasted a little less than a year and we ended up with all his
customers. This is one of the reasons I'm glad to be on another side of this
industry now.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

Here is my take:

Old boy was there first

New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner

Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy

 

Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM


To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of buying that 

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Actually he did do a scan and in a normal situation  there would be plenty
of room for both however old boy insists on a stick omni as an AP which
tells me that he was marginal at best even without new boy.  New boy tried
to convince old boy to try going to sectors and upgrading things but he's
set in his ways.

 

If the noise was intolerable new boy would have issues but there isn't any
on his end yet he's changed his frequencies to everything old boy asked him
to.  They could both co-exist in the same spectrum if old boy would just
face the fact that he needs to step up a little with his network
engenerring, in my opinion.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Here is my take:

Old boy was there first

New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner

Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy

 

Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network".
New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes
and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per
unit.  New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I
see, about all he can do.  He's within all power regulations and has bent
over backwards to every request put to him by this guy.  (One of the last
comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words,
blast him and take down his network)

 

Now the latest.  Old wisp has contacted the

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network".
New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes
and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per
unit.  New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I
see, about all he can do.  He's within all power regulations and has bent
over backwards to every request put to him by this guy.  (One of the last
comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words,
blast him and take down his network)

 

Now the latest.  Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together
a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and
two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy.

 

New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp
upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a
competing channel.

 

Anyone have any solid resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ?
Surely someone here has been there before.

 

Thanks!

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

He tried 5ghz from the very start but due to the tree situation he couldn't
get any penetration but 2.4 put him where he wanted to be.  I had the same
reservations about using 2.4 but he's been flying just fine with no issues
on his side of things.  The issue is, as you pointed out, a poorly designed
network that will never tolerate interference.

 

Good thoughts, thanks.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Rather than 3.65 is there a reason not to use 5GHz?  I haven't tested the
DTS stuff yet, but if it works in AirMax it would open plenty of spectrum
(assuming you don't have radar issues).  Even so I would look at 5MHz Airmax
channels in the 5GHz range, if old wisp is running 2.4 shouldn't be an
issue,  your only conflict would be your backhauls and depending on backhaul
distance you can use 5.2 or 3.6 when you gets the license.  I haven't hung
any new 2.4 gear in over 3 years because the spectrum has gotten so bad and
I'm in pretty much the middle of nowhere.

As for resolution with the old wisp, I would go to the meeting, say I've
tried to get along with the old wisp, but that his system was set up in such
as way as to not be able to handle the noise that is inherent to license
free spectrum.  Include the appropriate quotes from part15 about accepting
interference.

I'm assuming new wisp customers aren't having a problem.  I would point that
out.  My network is fine because it is designed properly his is falling down
because it was designed poorly.  I would also point out that all of your
equipment falls within part15 specifications (if you are using AirMax for
everything it should).  I would asked the competitor to provide similar
assurances.

On 12/29/10 10:21 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network".
New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes
and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per
unit.  New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I
see, about all he can do.  He's within all power regulations and has bent
over backwards to every request put to him by this guy.  (One of the last
comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words,
blast him and take down his network)

 

Now the latest.  Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together
a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and
two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy.

 

New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp
upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a
competing 

[WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network".
New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes
and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per
unit.  New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I
see, about all he can do.  He's within all power regulations and has bent
over backwards to every request put to him by this guy.  (One of the last
comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words,
blast him and take down his network)

 

Now the latest.  Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together
a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and
two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy.

 

New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp
upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a
competing channel.

 

Anyone have any solid resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ?
Surely someone here has been there before.

 

Thanks!

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

[Robert West]

Maybe you should dig a bit deeper into his expectations.  Maybe he doesn't
want any shaping or messing around with it.  Possible he's had a bad
experience with another provider overselling bandwidth..?  Who knows.  Time
to sit down and qualify his wants against his real needs.  Lots of time they
have no idea what they really need, just what his idiot brother-in-law told
him he needed.

 

J

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

 

Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your
dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more
for it?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:

My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. 

Sent from my iPhone4


On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG  wrote:

I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was
about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of
bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

commercial connection.  sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly.



On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: 

I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does
everyone define a "dedicated" connection? 
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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

[Robert West]

To me there are two types of dedicated.  First, the same dedicated that you
would buy as fiber.  Big $$$.  A straight route from him and right out the
gateway.  Second, not an "Up To" speed but a guaranteed number set through
your routing rules.  One set for him no matter what, the rest for everyone
else.  More of a "Shared Dedicated" which wouldn't make any sense to anyone
else except for those of us who deal with it.

 

Just depends on his expectations and the size of his wallet which one he
would want.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

 

I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was
about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of
bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ?

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

commercial connection.  sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly.



On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: 

I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does
everyone define a "dedicated" connection? 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

[Robert West]

That would be this one..

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live

It was originally from Liam.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:43 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's
definition of restrict NAT, etc.
I can not find that link.  Would someone please remind me where to look.

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Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

[Robert West]

Had a similar discussion with Liam at DataCom Specialist a week or so ago.
He has a customer wanting his own "private" network and dedicated bandwidth
but also wants it at 3 or 4 buildings, local wifi access and all.  We were
kicking around not only the network and equipment but also charging for the
anticipated support as well.  

 

Hey, Liam!  What did you settle on to charge that guy?

 

Bob-

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:54 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth

 

I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does
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Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

[Robert West]

Actually, the reality is, all the cash gets spent at Wal-Mart and ends up in
China.

 

 

 

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow- and how stimulus works

 

#1: The hooker doesnt get to keep the $100 because her pimp took 90% of it.
#2: The pimp ends up blowing it on his drug habit.
#3: The drug dealer spends it on the hooker, back to the pimp, now we're
stuck in a endless loop!

Comments:
A) The motel owner had no business stealing the $100 from the rich tourist.
B) Nobody benefits except the pimp and drug dealer so further down goes the
neighborhood and the optimism with it.
C) This is a perfect example of what is wrong with debt.
D) The ends never justify the means.

*If that's how stimulus works, then I want no part of it!



On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Chuck Profito 
wrote:

MDK- just for you.  :-}

-Or

It is a slow day in the small Minnesota town of Marshall, and the streets
are deserted.  Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is
living on credit.

A rich tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel,
lays a $100 bill on the desk and says he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs
before selecting one for the night.

1. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs
next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

2. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to
the pig farmer.

3. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his
supplier, the Farmer's Co-op.

4. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to
the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to
offer her "services" on credit.

5. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel
owner.

6. The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich
traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are
not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves town.

No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is
now out of debt and looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Stimulus works.





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Re: [WISPA] Merry Christmas, every one

[Robert West]

And may your relatives go home!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 1:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Merry Christmas, every one

 

To hopes your family can be together, your health be good, your world have
peace. 

 

May the One who was born on whatever day it was, bless you and yours, and
keep you throughout the year so you may again reach other Christmas.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Robert West]

Da.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow

 

"give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade!

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time.  So, you are
expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store.  Yes?
:)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow

As is usual with bad ideas that sound great.  The first assumption is
flawed.  After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and
sounds great.

"ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want, for

anything you want."

This ignores the concept of oversubscription.

We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.



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From: "Larry A Weidig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Wow


> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
> http://www.theopeninter.net/
> Yikes!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
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Re: [WISPA] Wow

[Robert West]

Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time.  So, you are
expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store.  Yes?
:)



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow

As is usual with bad ideas that sound great.  The first assumption is 
flawed.  After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and 
sounds great.

"ISPs provide your internet access.  You can use it as much as you want, for

anything you want."

This ignores the concept of oversubscription.

We pay $450 for 5 mb and sell that same 5 mb for $40.



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From: "Larry A Weidig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Wow


> Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what
> the general public believes is the entire issue at stake:
> http://www.theopeninter.net/
> Yikes!
>
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

[Robert West]

I think that most will agree that they do not however since it touches so many 
citizens there will always be a group demanding that “They need to do something 
about this” for whatever reason and most if not all bureaucrats are reactionary 
to the squeaky wheel and will do almost anything to shut them up.

 

In the end, as you said, a deep pocket corporation will take it on and the FCC 
will cave in to the position of that party.

 

The whole thing is a double edged sword, IMO.

 

I just wake up and go to work and do as little as possible…

 

J

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

 

The real question is does the FCC have the jurisdiction to do any of this.  I 
think when one of the big guys challenges it in court we will see that they 
don't. I am sure that will change at some point in the future. 

Sent from my iPhone4


On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:44 AM, RickG  wrote:

The first step to breaking the net was form 477.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK  wrote:


The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can "fix" what you broke by half-baked notions of government
created markets...

There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't been regulated.

Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results of what should never
have been done in the first place.




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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

> Well, no, what IS PROFOUNDLY BROKEN is that the ILECs are no longer
> required to be common carriers.  They built their network using
> common carrier privileges.  They got their market share using common
> carrier privileges.  And then they turned  around and got their
> common carrier obligations lifted by the profoundly corrupt
> Cheney-Rove FCC.  So now they control the content on their wires, and
> you can't lease them.  That's just wrong.  And the Genachowski FCC
> isn't doing squat about that, though they absolutely have the power
> to do so.  We do need a national common carrier utility.  There is a
> clear distinction between carriage and content. ISPs are content, not
> carriage.  And WISPs are self-provisioned ISPs who deliver content
> over unlicensed facilities without using a carrier, and without being one.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender

[Robert West]

Interesting.  Yet another pay for service company passing the transport onto
ISPs for free.  Good idea on their part though.  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender

 

 

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Matt  wrote:

Anyone using one of these?  What are actual bandwidth requirements and
usage?

 

Are you referring to this?

http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html

 

I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For
calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps).

 

The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC),
so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage
somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has
wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance.
I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a
femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for
CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite
for this statement.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

[Robert West]

I'm still trying to find a factory in China that manufactures cheap
bandwidth.  Then I'll import it and make a killing!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600
then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to
about $2300 for it.

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for
20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
access here in Ohio?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

[Robert West]

Hey, that's good to know!  They may be adjusting their pricing.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600
then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to
about $2300 for it.

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for
20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
access here in Ohio?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

[Robert West]

I'd be up for that.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:18 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Are you operators in Ohio, wanting to do a State WISP meeting this winter?
If so, start a thread on the Ohio mailing list
<http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ohio> .  The meeting in Indiana
<http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3434>  is almost to capacity (80) with 74
signed up so far.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for
20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
access here in Ohio?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

[Robert West]

They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for
20/20Negotiable but not much.  All the statics you need included.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

 

Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet
access here in Ohio?

 

 

 

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[WISPA] Anyone have Cincinatti fiber ?

[Robert West]

Looking for fiber in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.   If you sell it or know who
does hit me off list.

 

Thanks!

 

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[WISPA] UniFi AP

[Robert West]

First time I saw this.  Anyone doing any testing on the UBNT UniFi-AP?
Looks to be the berries for some of my hotel Wi-Fi installs.  Only info I
can get is this Quick Start guide I ripped off from MicroCom.  Says it's
available in February and it looks cheap enough to be cost effective for me.

 

  http://site.microcom.us/UniFi_AP_Quick_Start_Guide

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Robert West]

I already knew it was a killer!

 

About 7 or 8 years ago a friend of mine put in a dedicated link to a
business customer.  Customer was in a hole so the down tilt took him into
about 8 feet of two very tall pine trees.  To compensate, he.  Uh.
Well, he pushed the power WAY over legal!  After about a year the tops of
those trees were a bit discolored.  Now the tops really aren't on the top
anymore

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

 

Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than
ever before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But
NOo, they have to grow even faster!  hehehehe

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jonathan Schmidt   

To: 'WISPA General List'   

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

 

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?

 

Jonathan Schmidt

W8BZB

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
wrote:

Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone 
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
 
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I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Robert West]

In Vista and 7 it will sometimes stick user files in a folder called
Windows.old while reinstalling over itself.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

 

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the
buck.

 

thanks,

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: RickG   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

Marlon, 

 

It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple
as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use
an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Robert West]

I use Active@ File Recovery for such things.  I can tell it to only find JPG
or whatever so I don't have to sort through crap more than I need to.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics

I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
jpgs and such?

thanks
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the towerclimbingrulesatanamazingheight...

[Robert West]

Just buy an anti-gravity belt.  

Solved.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the
towerclimbingrulesatanamazingheight...

Too many videos watching people get caught in the tower features
(antennas, ladder rungs, etc).  Plus it is a lot of weight that is
unnecessary when things are done right.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists
 wrote:
> Does anyone ever think of wearing a parachute as a last resort?  I’m sure
> it’s a silly question, but base jumpers would do it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
> ImageStream Sales Manager
> 800-813-5123 x106
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the
> towerclimbingrulesatanamazingheight...
>
>
>
> At all times, 100%, above 6 feet.  No exceptions.
>
> On Dec 2, 2010 11:14 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
wrote:
>> That's just flippin' nuts! My hands got all sweaty just watching!
>>
>>
>>
>> Aren't you supposed to be tied off at all times during a tower climb?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> ImageStream Sales Manager
>> 800-813-5123 x106
>>
>> _
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:52 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower
>> climbingrulesatanamazingheight...
>>
>>
>>
>> No such thing as the Sears Tower. It is Willis Tower now ;)
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2010 9:38 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>> And I like how the brilliant people who made the video don't even know
>> it's
>>> a "guyed" tower not a "guided" tower (near the beginning where they are
>>> comparing it against the Sears and Eiffel Towers). Where are they
guiding
>>> it?
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Jonathan Schmidt
>> wrote:
>>>
 ...the Morse is unusual...I thought I heard the German umlaut U in the
 beginning (with the two dots over it) as DI DI DAH DAH which isn't
Morse
 for anything in our alphabet. I wonder where this was made.
 . . . j o n a t h a n
 W8BZB

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing
 rulesatanamazingheight...

 We've had several threads on this. Scary every time I watch it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer

 wrote:
 > OY! I can't even watch that video.
 >
 > Those guys are just plain nuts.
 > marlon
 >
 > - Original Message -
 > From: "Mark Robinson" 
 > To: "Tom Osborne" 
 > Cc: 
 > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:29 PM
 > Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules
 > atanamazingheight...
 >
 >
 >> There was a death a while back when a climber fell and it looked
like
 one
 >> of
 >> those climbing pegs had rusted through and had snapped off when
 >> weight
 was
 >> put on it
 >>
 >> Mark N1UK
 >>
 >>
 >> - Original Message -
 >> From: "Tom Osborne" 
 >> To: "Towertalk" 
 >> Sent: Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 6:06 PM
 >> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at
 >> anamazingheight...
 >>
 >>
 >>> Watching them go up the last 50 feet or so made me wonder just what
 would
 >>> happen if one of those climbing pegs snapped off. Be a LONG way
 >>> down.
 >>> At
 >>> that height seems like they would get kinda rusty. 73
 >>> Tom W7WHY
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Seems to be a commercial operation. I guess the OSHA inspector
 >>> couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection. Also, note the
 >>> porcupine dissipators on the way up.
 >>>
 >>>

>>
http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp5

>>
>>
3/player_config.php?token=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1>
>>
p53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp5%0A3/player_config.php?toke
>> n=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1>
 >>>
 >>> 73, Joe
 >>> K2XX
 >>> ___
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> ___
 >>> TowerTalk mailing li

Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Robert West]

You rock, by the way.

Good or bad, who knows...!



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

Yep.  We're both  O L D

Happens.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:38 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

Thanks, Robert, as I said..."...some years ago."  It was probably 10 years
ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi.  I sold my company to
them 5 years before that.

Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was
useful.  

We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version
of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio Shack
transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now called
"Motherboard").  That was 1969-1970.  We had used early versions of that
architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers.

Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's
happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier
transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that.

. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

An FM radio?

You seem to be as weird as I.  We both have no life.

:(



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot.  It was knocking out all the
802.11 in the house.
That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio
tuned to a weak station.
It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I
reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT!

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew
was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still
did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out.
I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see
any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>
> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>
> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
>
>> Help.
>> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a 
>> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list 
>> of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
>> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine, 
>> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop 
>> in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them 
>> DOA seems unlikely, but ...
>> I setup another one

Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Robert West]

Yep.  We're both  O L D

Happens.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:38 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

Thanks, Robert, as I said..."...some years ago."  It was probably 10 years
ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi.  I sold my company to
them 5 years before that.

Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was
useful.  

We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version
of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio Shack
transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now called
"Motherboard").  That was 1969-1970.  We had used early versions of that
architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers.

Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's
happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier
transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that.

. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

An FM radio?

You seem to be as weird as I.  We both have no life.

:(



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot.  It was knocking out all the
802.11 in the house.
That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio
tuned to a weak station.
It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I
reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT!

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew
was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still
did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out.
I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see
any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>
> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>
> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
>
>> Help.
>> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a 
>> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list 
>> of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
>> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine, 
>> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop 
>> in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them 
>> DOA seems unlikely, but ...
>> I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved 
>> it to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same
thing.
>> Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
>> Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of usin

Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Robert West]

An FM radio?

You seem to be as weird as I.  We both have no life.

:(



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot.  It was knocking out all the
802.11 in the house.
That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio
tuned to a weak station.
It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I
reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT!

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew
was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still
did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out.
I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see
any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>
> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>
> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
>
>> Help.
>> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a 
>> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list 
>> of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
>> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine, 
>> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop 
>> in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them 
>> DOA seems unlikely, but ...
>> I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved 
>> it to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same
thing.
>> Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
>> Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
>> I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
>> Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
>> What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 
>> routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for 
>> wireless networks?
>>
>> --
>> Scott Reed
>> Owner
>> NewWays Networking, LLC
>> Wireless Networking
>> Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced 
>> Certified www.nwwnet.net
>> (765) 855-1060
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?

[Robert West]

Look at 900MHz.  It's my understanding that 900MHz is crazy good over water.

Albert-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?

Hi, we need to install an aprox. 8 mile PTP 5.8Ghz link near the Big Island
in Hawaii. One end will be at about 50ft MSL, while the other end is at
about 3500ft. The first 4 miles are over water, with rest over moderately
hilly terrain to a freestanding 50ft tower. The ends have LOS. Ordinarly I'd
just use a conventional setup with a pair of 2' dish antennas and XR5
radios, but am considering using dual-polarity feedhorns (or even separate
dishes) and diversity or dual radios due to the water.  Is this worth the
effort, or should we just use e.g. horizontal polarity and stick to it? 
Since the one end is much higher than the other I'm thinking this should
mitigate water effects, but would welcome any opinions.

Thanks,

Tom S. 





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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Robert West]

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she 
knew was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had 
and still did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been 
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure 
out.  I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop 
did not see any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>
> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>
> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
>
>> Help.
>> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a
>> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list of
>> available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
>> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine,
>> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop in
>> and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them DOA
>> seems unlikely, but ...
>> I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved it
>> to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same thing.
>> Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
>> Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
>> I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
>> Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
>> What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3
>> routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless
>> networks?
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[WISPA] Pirate Bay Founders Lose Appeal

[Robert West]

Just caught this...

 

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/54030

 

Notice the last sentence...

 

"We now look to governments and ISPs to take note of this judgment, do the
responsible thing and take the necessary steps to get The Pirate Bay shut
down."

 

Maybe I'm biased but I see this as another attempt to transfer more blame
onto ISPs.  They'll be coming after us again, I'm sure of it.

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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[WISPA] Time Warner Mobile 4G now here in Ohio, they say.........

[Robert West]

 

Link...

 

http://midwest-mail.timewarnercable.com/Portal/content/midwest/acq/2010/11No
vember/OhioMobileHoliday1999.aspx?uh=-801547295170870604
<http://midwest-mail.timewarnercable.com/Portal/content/midwest/acq/2010/11N
ovember/OhioMobileHoliday1999.aspx?uh=-801547295170870604&siteNodeId=209480&
b=70621> &siteNodeId=209480&b=70621

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT GPS

[Robert West]

Sure!  All ya got to do is find one!

(Four months from now.)



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Is it even for sale yet?

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> Anyone test this yet?
> http://www.ubnt.com/rocketmgps
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations

[Robert West]

Epson are very good quality, actually.  I just always hated waiting for them
to decide to get ready to print!  They remind me of having a cat..



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Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:27 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations

On 11/23/2010 09:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I've used HP OfficeJets for most of the previous decade.  I've used HP 
> printers period for...  20 years?
>
> However, the OfficeJets continue to have paper handling and other 
> issues.  They are used far less than their service duty allows.  I also 
> have a problem with the printer disappearing on some computers.
>
> I was recommended to Dell all in one printers, but their user interface 
> for the scanning, faxing, etc. features is horrible.
>
> I need something that works, does copy, fax, scan, print, and is easy 
> enough for non-techies to use.  Recommendations?
>   
I was and still am a fan of Epson. We just got rid of a Photosmart 8550
we've had for years because the ink mechanism kept jamming and the paper
feed was skewing. We replaced it with a Workforce 630 All-in-one. I've
had Epson straight printers and have multiple Epson scanners here all
with good luck.

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations

[Robert West]

I see the same issues with the OfficeJets but only with the Inkjet models.
The laser models work flawlessly for me but they are only black and white,
at least the ones I have.  I only use the InkJet Hp for printing of maps and
it's usually a fight even with a static IP set in the thing.

As far as Dell, they used to be made by Lexmark but I've seen some that were
HP.  I'd actually steer clear of Dell and just go with whoever makes the
Dell model you're looking at due to their hard to find proprietary ink.  

I HAVE had some luck with the Kodak printers now that they seem to have
their firmware figured out.  The ink is way cheap as a bonus.  Not a heavy
duty machine but they seem to do the job.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:01 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations

I've used HP OfficeJets for most of the previous decade.  I've used HP 
printers period for...  20 years?

However, the OfficeJets continue to have paper handling and other 
issues.  They are used far less than their service duty allows.  I also 
have a problem with the printer disappearing on some computers.

I was recommended to Dell all in one printers, but their user interface 
for the scanning, faxing, etc. features is horrible.

I need something that works, does copy, fax, scan, print, and is easy 
enough for non-techies to use.  Recommendations?



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Re: [WISPA] charge controller

[Robert West]

Steve,

 

What RouterOS are you using that script?  You using just the MT board to
monitor or having it talk to the controller via ssh or whatever?

 

 

Bob-

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] charge controller

 

Are you using DC or AC power as the main source?  If DC, it's efficient and
easy.  
battery bank,
good charger (Iota), (set to float the batteries)
if you have mikrotik, you can script an alarm to send email alerts at given
battery voltages.
RMS board made by http://www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca/  will give you lots
of capability with remote switching. will allow you to perform snmp queries
and graph your important data with cacti or zabbix.
Steve

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We are implementing battery power at some of our tower sites and are looking
for a charge controller that will handle battery power for all our equipment
on the towers and provide these options.

- Remote Management

- Email notification

- battery power monitoring

- auto power switching

 

 I'm looking at tycon but they do not have these options available.

 

Basically just want something to handle the backup batteries with no
interruptions in power and notify us when the tower is running on battery
power. Also if possible allow for remote on/off of power to the equipment on
the tower.

 

Can anyone make a few suggestions for some manufactures to look into?

 

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on shieldedcable

[Robert West]

Me too.  And Dry Gel is for babies.  HA!

 

I no trust it.  

 

OLD SCHOOL!

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable

 

I believe you but I've never seen that. I have seen water run through cables
into equipment and its not pretty. I wonder about the "dry" gel?

 

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

   I have seen gel cable turn to liquid on towers.  Not truly designed for
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable

I'm not sure how well shielded will prevent water flow.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM,   wrote:

It's just not flooded. It's shielded cable.
 
Chris

 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable
 
What does it use instead of gel?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Chris Hudson 
wrote:

I don't use gel filled. I use Belden 1300A and it doesn't  give he much
trouble at all.

Chris

 
 

> The biggest problem for me is the sticky gel. I take  some isopropyl
> alcohol wipes up to clean the wires off and that helps  a lot.
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:42 PM,   wrote:
>
>> I've had to do this several times 300' in the air.  Just grin and bear
>> it. I
>> don't see any way to improve  the jacket fitting in.
>>
>> Chris

>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: support
>> Sent: Friday,  November 12, 2010 4:41 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General  List
>> Subject: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on  shielded
>> cable
>>
>> is there  a more  simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on shielded Cat5
>>  cable
>>
>> getting the jacket to fit in the Rj-45 end is  vary hard 100ft in the air
>> on a tower
>>
>>  anyone have tips or tricks or know of better fitting  ends?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on shieldedcable

[Robert West]

LOL!

 

About a year ago ..  Compound shelter  Nice and sealed up, right?  I
open the shelter door  An easy inch of water flows out!  

 

Not me!  My stuff still doing well.  On the other side of the shelter..
DEAD!  Water ran in through his cabling.  Not hard to envision a small nick
in a cable jacket from a stainless clamp or any other random B.S.Nice
vertical conduit he installed  Worked very well.

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable

 

I believe you but I've never seen that. I have seen water run through cables
into equipment and its not pretty. I wonder about the "dry" gel?

 

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

   I have seen gel cable turn to liquid on towers.  Not truly designed for
vertical use.
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:48:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable

I'm not sure how well shielded will prevent water flow.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM,   wrote:

It's just not flooded. It's shielded cable.
 
Chris

 
From: RickG   


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To: WISPA General List   


Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable
 
What does it use instead of gel?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Chris Hudson 
wrote:

I don't use gel filled. I use Belden 1300A and it doesn't  give he much
trouble at all.

Chris

 
 

> The biggest problem for me is the sticky gel. I take  some isopropyl
> alcohol wipes up to clean the wires off and that helps  a lot.
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:42 PM,   wrote:
>
>> I've had to do this several times 300' in the air.  Just grin and bear
>> it. I
>> don't see any way to improve  the jacket fitting in.
>>
>> Chris

>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: support
>> Sent: Friday,  November 12, 2010 4:41 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General  List
>> Subject: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on  shielded
>> cable
>>
>> is there  a more  simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on shielded Cat5
>>  cable
>>
>> getting the jacket to fit in the Rj-45 end is  vary hard 100ft in the air
>> on a tower
>>
>>  anyone have tips or tricks or know of better fitting  ends?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  --
>>
>>
>> Tim Steele
>>
>> supp...@nitline.com
>>
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Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on shieldedcable

[Robert West]

I had a 300 foot vertical run of shielded, FLOODED cable that I never
terminated, as in..  No connector at the bottom..  Sat for the entire
summer.  The result?  Nothing.  Was as stable as in December.  The cable I
use is not like the old paraffin based gel, more of a lotion but still
sticky.  However, neither one ever out flowed for me. 

 

For us, flooded and shielded is a no brainer.  I don't allow any other cable
in  our shop for outdoor install no matter what.  It's been a slam dunk
winner.

 

Albert-

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable

 

   I have seen gel cable turn to liquid on towers.  Not truly designed for
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:48:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable

I'm not sure how well shielded will prevent water flow.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:04 AM,   wrote:

It's just not flooded. It's shielded cable.
 
Chris
 
From: RickG   
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 12:04 AM
To: WISPA General List   
Subject: Re: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on
shieldedcable
 
What does it use instead of gel?

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Chris Hudson 
wrote:

I don't use gel filled. I use Belden 1300A and it doesn't  give he much
trouble at all.

Chris

 
 

> The biggest problem for me is the sticky gel. I take  some isopropyl
> alcohol wipes up to clean the wires off and that helps  a lot.
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:42 PM,   wrote:
>
>> I've had to do this several times 300' in the air.  Just grin and bear
>> it. I
>> don't see any way to improve  the jacket fitting in.
>>
>> Chris

>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: support
>> Sent: Friday,  November 12, 2010 4:41 PM
>> To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General  List
>> Subject: [WISPA] a more simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on  shielded
>> cable
>>
>> is there  a more  simple way to crimp Shielded Rj45 on shielded Cat5
>>  cable
>>
>> getting the jacket to fit in the Rj-45 end is  vary hard 100ft in the air
>> on a tower
>>
>>  anyone have tips or tricks or know of better fitting  ends?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  --
>>
>>
>> Tim Steele
>>
>> supp...@nitline.com
>>
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>>
>> (574) 772-7550 ext  103
>>
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