[WISPA] Warehouse wireless

[Zack Kneisley]

Gentlemen,



I've been tasked with putting up access points in a warehouse that is
approximately 40,000 sq ft. We already have a warehouse that is covered
using Cisco AP's (deployed before I was part of the company) with 5dbi
Omnis. The coverage or reliability in this location isn't very good, I
believe the cause of this is partially interference, partly placement and
configuration. This system is currently operational, just not optimal. I'll
deal with these issues when time permits, the new facility is my concern and
I would like to deploy this correctly. Both of these wireless systems are in
place for portable Symbol Handheld scanners for inventory management and
integration into our ERP application, reliability and connectivity is
obviously more important than throughput.



I would like to find out what would be suggested in this deployment,
comments welcome.

I don't think Cisco AP's are needed, I think a MT (or other platform) would
be sufficient. Comments?

WDS configuration, for roaming of handhelds I would like to get some
suggestions on antenna types for this environment, I'm not quite sure how to
estimate the number of AP's that will be needed, assuming the facility is
rectangular with the above square foot area.



Anyone with experience with this type of deployment?



Thanks





Zack Kneisley

Information Systems Manager

Encore Industries, Inc.

(740) 432-1652 x120



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[WISPA] Liberty, WV

[Zack Kneisley]

Can anyone provide access in this area? Hit me off-list for more info.


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Re: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik

[Zack Kneisley]

if your looking for high-end outdoor, check out
http://www.cablefree.co.uk/products_radio.htm
72MB...

On 10/3/07, Don Annas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Has anyone found a good solid state rack-mount system for running
> Mikrotik?
> In several areas, we are bottlenecked by the 532 boards and was looking
> for
> something that would actually handle 100MB of throughput as well as a good
> amount of queues and VLANs.  Any pointers in the right direction are
> appreciated.  Thanks.
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?

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Not Open-source, but we are currently using Nova-Web (www.novastor.com).

I'ts not cheap, but it does provide everything you could want including open
file and MSSQL backup without having to shut down your databases.

Zack

On 9/20/07, rabbtux rabbtux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I've been looking at an open source application called backuppc and
> considering offering remote backup service to some customers.  I
> appreciate the wisdom and experience of the group here.   Any
> suggestions on how best to offer this service?  Any software
> suggestions for this?  I would like to have the backup on my servers.
> any turn-key solution suggestions?
>
> Thank you kindly,
> Marshall
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.

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Couldn't you charge a monthly "maintenance fee" to someone for monitoring
the units uptime?

On 9/6/07, Ty Carter  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Blake.. That is what I was dancing round in my post... there are
> homegrown yagi from ~$400 but that will not fly on the legal front...
>
> Please be aware there are legal implications for unauthorized repeating
> or broadcasting of a cell providers frequency.
>
> And to address Ryans question; NO, you can not.
>
> 1.  You are not authorized to proxy on behalf of
> 2.  You don't own the freq.
> 3.  You don't have the subscriber
>
> Shall I go on...
>
> Ty Carter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Blake Bowers
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:23 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
> Cc: Jack Daniel
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
>
> Be prepared...
>
> In order to do it legally, there are some hoops to jump
> through.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> is an excellent source for the particulars on the technical
> AND legal side of this.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:15 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
>
>
> > Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before?
> I
> > have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but
> have
> > no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna
> and
> > they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to
> be
> > able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before
> and
> > what kind of results they have had? TIA.
> >
> > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth.
> > Check out www.info-ed.com for information.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Zack Kneisley]

If anyone has access to any of old the Ricochet AP's?? Once upon a time, an
over eager e-bayer up too late at night, bought on a lot of 200 of these
puppies thinking they were something entirely different (may have had
something to do with the Sam Adams as well). Most of them are still in the
shrink wrap. I would like to experiment with an AP and a few of the modems I
have lying around. I would be happy to trade a few CPE's for an AP or 2!

If you have one that needs a home let me know.

Thanks

Zack

On 9/17/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How do you estimate usage in a roaming, mesh network? If you don't have
> capacity, people say it's too slow and cancel service. You basically
> have to have full coverage in your entire market areas, don't you?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> John Thomas wrote:
> > Metricom-Richochet way overbuilt their network in some places and thus
> > lost a lot of money. If they had a better business plan, they probably
> > would have made it.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > Rick Harnish wrote:
> >> Did they fail because of the immature technology or a failed business
> >> plan?
> >> Would the more mature technology available today have made an impact on
> >> Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure?
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >> Behalf Of Ralph
> >> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM
> >> To: 'WISPA General List'
> >> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
> >>
> >> Yes they have.
> >> Metricom-Ricochet. They failed.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >> Behalf Of Allen Marsalis
> >> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
> >>
> >> I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network
> >> before.  Which is not a good sign to me.  That's a sign that my idea
> >> probably won't work.
> >>
> >> Allen
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for cheap RAS

[Zack Kneisley]

I assume you mean a 3Com Total Control, Cisco 5300, or Ascend.

My personal favorite is the 3Com as I have  worked with these units for over
10 years and they are reliable.

check ebay.. most of the time the shipping cost more than the unit.

On 9/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Anyone have a good source or do it yourselfa
>
> Tnx
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> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Re: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware

[Zack Kneisley]

Kaspersky all the way!

We have a reseller that we have been working with for years that gives us
killer pricing..

Kaspersky can have new updates as soon as 5 minutes apart.. Update.. wait 5
minutes, new definitions. Pretty amazing. It also uses their iStream?
technology to make the overhead very very low. runs very well on older
systems as well. Support is great too (only had to call twice in 2 years
though).

Zack

On 9/8/07, Ty Carter  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> We use and sell TrendMicro Officescan and Antivirus.
>
> It doesn't require ANY user interaction and just plain works in the
> background; we are a master service provider with Trend and have been
> extremely happy with the performance and pricing; granted this solution
> is geared more for commercial; however we do put some residential
> clients on it as well.
>
> Hit me off list if you want more or we can help.
>
> Ty Carter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jenco Wireless
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware
>
> > What's everyone using now?  I just got a nasty infection using AVG
> (fully
> > updated).  I guess AVG has not kept up well according to the reviews.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad H
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

[Zack Kneisley]

John, List.. anyone else really.

I was trying not to get into a discussion at a "12 year old level". I merely
support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
statement  "look at our code of ethics" does not accomplish that Ralph
requested.

Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
organization that supposedly "represents all wisps" to entertain the mans
request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying or
creating a documents.

I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.

Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as Ralph
requested?

If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the individual
wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes to
the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person What type of
organization is WISPA.

I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to see it
as an organization for WISPS, after all, given this thread, it doesn't seem
that there is not any self governing process to ask for anything. Unless I'm
seriously missing something, there are no processes in place that allow a
member or non member to bring a topic to the table, and for it to be
considered as an action that WISPA should take. To myself, WISPA looks like
an organization controlled by a handful of individuals, not by the WISPS it
is supposed to, in its own Code of Ethecs Attempt to represent.

WISPA's Goals see:http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=6

6. Political lobbying group – Unified voice for the WISP industry

How can this be acheived when the discussion turns to name calling and
comparing the thoughts of others to 12 year olds.


**
WISPA, at least make an official statement to Ralph. Either, stating that
WISPA, (not John), believes that WISPA' ethics statement achieves the same
goals as Ralphs request, or, that WISPA is just plain rejecting the idea -
with an explanation why..

**

Now, can you understand why their are people that would passionately get
behind WISPA, if only an adult discussion, debate, and decision be made.
Where is the leadership that makes these calls.. who makes these decisions?

I'm sorry for obvious grammatical mistakes and typos, 4:00 AM comes fast.

Zack


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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

[Zack Kneisley]

> Please expand upon this statement...
>
> "
>
> Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a
> ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional
> organization supports the use of only certified systems.
>
> "
>
> I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The logic loses me
> about the
> "does not conclude" part.
>
> John



Ok, I'll be happy to. I'm sorry if the logic in my statement is confusing.

-
1.Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through
ethics statement,

***You have stated that WISPA, through its code of ethics, somehow assumes
the stance that it does not condone the use of non-ceritified systems..
correct?

2.does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the
use of only certified systems.

***This does not mean that WISPA take the same position.

-
I appoligize if I confused you. Is this the official opinion of WISPA? are
you making this statement on behalf of WISPA? I don't think you are. Is it
WISPA's official public position that non-certified systems are not condoned
because you have a code of ethics? Are you representing WISPA with your
statement?

John, this is not your statement to make.. Honestly, your opinion doesn't
matter to me. What matters to me is WISPA's public opinion, not yours.

Zack


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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

[Zack Kneisley]

John

I don't see where Ralph said that WISPA supports breaking the law, I'm not
sure where that could have been derived from.

I feel that Ralphs statement was one of frustration of WISPA not publicly
supporting a specific stance on the issue of non-certified systems. To think
that open dialog somehow diminishes WISPA's reputation is just absurd.
Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a
ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional
organization supports the use of only certified systems.

I don't believe that you are in a position to publicly announce such claims
of what WISPA does or does not support. To the contrary, I think your
personal opinion does diminish the reputation and credibility of WISPA in
accordance to its own Code of Ethics. I hope that your statement is not one
that represents what WISPA as a professional organization believes.



Zack



On 9/2/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I see in the WISPA Code of Ethics this line:
>
> e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks
> are restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the
> tenets of reasonable precaution.
>
> If this needs to be worded differently then maybe this would suffice? I
> do not know how many times we can state specifically that WISPA does not
> support breaking laws and that while we do wish to see some changes to
> some laws we support following the laws. I am getting a bit tired of
> being told by many here that we support breaking the laws when we DO
> NOT. Part of the WISPA Code of Ethics states:
>
> ARTICLE II
> We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
> industry and enhance its reputation.
>
> With so many people coming on here saying over and over that WISPA is
> trying to support breaking the laws we are not following this code. We
> are doing damage to our industry when we state these things and it is
> not helping the effort. If our Code of Ethics needs some work then say
> so but stop calling us criminals on a public list server. I am tiring of
> it and I am sure I am not alone.
> John Scrivner
>
>
> Zack Kneisley wrote:
> > Ralph
> >
> > As only a list member, wireless operator and entrepreneur, I support and
> > encorage your request. WISPA, should publicly support issues, especially
> > those that are law. This specific position should not be something that
> > requires debate.
> >
> > I hope this request will open a dialog of democratic, representative,
> > self-governing action of WISPA in general. WISPA taking a public
> position
> > would make paid membership more attractive to myself, and many others I
> > associate with.
> >
> > Zack Kneisley
> >
> >
> > On 9/1/07, Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I appreciate what several WISPA folks are doing to try to get more
> >> latitude
> >> in equipment/antenna matching, and as a full "Principal" WISPA member,
> I
> >> would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a position paper on legal
> >> operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to meet the current
> >> rules. It needs to be done now.
> >>
> >> Actually showing we are paying more than lip service to the current
> >> regulations  and officially Supporting legal operation may go a long
> way
> >> towards building better credibility with the FCC AS well as with the
> rest
> >> of
> >> the wireless industry.
> >>
> >> Is WISPA up to the challege of setting the precedent.
> >>
> >> Ralph
> >> Brightlan.net
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

[Zack Kneisley]

Ralph

As only a list member, wireless operator and entrepreneur, I support and
encorage your request. WISPA, should publicly support issues, especially
those that are law. This specific position should not be something that
requires debate.

I hope this request will open a dialog of democratic, representative,
self-governing action of WISPA in general. WISPA taking a public position
would make paid membership more attractive to myself, and many others I
associate with.

Zack Kneisley


On 9/1/07, Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I appreciate what several WISPA folks are doing to try to get more
> latitude
> in equipment/antenna matching, and as a full "Principal" WISPA member, I
> would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a position paper on legal
> operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to meet the current
> rules. It needs to be done now.
>
> Actually showing we are paying more than lip service to the current
> regulations  and officially Supporting legal operation may go a long way
> towards building better credibility with the FCC AS well as with the rest
> of
> the wireless industry.
>
> Is WISPA up to the challege of setting the precedent.
>
> Ralph
> Brightlan.net
> North Georgia Broadband Without The Wires"
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Ohio Flooding

[Zack Kneisley]

good to hear, Cambridge Ohio missed the brunt of the squals..

Zack

On 8/24/07, Bo Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey everyone all is well here in ohio.  I got 4 1/2 feet of water in the
> basement but other than that all is ok with me.  2 blocks away houses were
> swept down the river with water reaching up to 12 feet.  All is ok and
> thanks Marlon, Joel, Stewart for the concern.
>
> Bo
>
>
>
> On 8/23/07, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Anything anyone one can do to help?  Is there equipment/manpower that you
> > need?
> >
> > laters,
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: [WISP] Ohio Flooding
> >
> >
> > >I havn't seen Bo around town any, his basement might be flooded,
> > > everyone else's is. We got 9 inches of rain in 4 hours and all kinds of
> > > problems. I got a tower sitting in water with no power. Running on
> > > generators and batteries. Another tower at a grain facility fried their
> > > electrical system with no plans to fix it, I went their yesterday
> > > morning to see why the internet wasn't working and the 3 phase power was
> > > underwater and smoking the whole place up. Towers are running right now
> > > but customers got flooded basements with POE's underwater and lightning
> > > damage, just started to get those calls this afternoon. Roads flooded
> > > can't get anywhere in any amount of time, traffic is horrible and
> > > gawking people stopping on the road or trying to run into you.
> > >
> > > Kurt Fankhauser
> > > WAVELINC
> > > 114 S. Walnut St.
> > > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > > 419-562-6405
> > > www.wavelinc.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > Of Stuart Pierce
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:00 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [WISP] Ohio Flooding
> > >
> > > Bo Hamilton, Got your scuba gear on !! How's the wireless doing in the
> > > flooding ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
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[WISPA] Google Likely to Bring Big Bucks to FCC Auction

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http://www.technewsworld.com/story/58981.html

Although Google didn't get everything it wanted regarding rules for
the Federal Communications Commission's Latest News about Federal
Communications Commission upcoming auction of 700 MHz (megahertz)
wireless spectrum, it will likely participate in the auction anyway,
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon Bandwidth

[Zack Kneisley]

Are you looking for Verizon ISP Wholesale Advanced Data Services? As in you
want to wholesale DSL? If so, I can help.. you need an account rep first.

On 8/7/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a sales contact for Verizon besides the standard business
> markets group?  They should have an ISP team I could contact or someone
> that
> specializes in IP Bandwidth.
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

[Zack Kneisley]

On 8/6/07, Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> Sounds like your using SATA. If so, disable the AHCI in the bios, it
> will drop the chipset into compatibility mode. worse case you might
> need to drop a small PATA drive (or flash) in and use it to boot from
> first.




Good suggestion, Trying that method, in AHCI mode, every driver I use shows
the raid array that shows 2 separate dives, I then installed the OS on a
single drive (tried with and without the second drive of the array),
Installs go smooth, Accepts the Product Key, every time, on final reboot
says that the widows installation is corrupt, and my only choice is use
recovery console,  (fixmbr etc) fixes and nothing worked.


I am going to work a bit to check out the media-see if a bit of  CD type
codes will work. If not, I'll have to find a backup copy of the Newsgroups
that is R2, then change the keys back after its installed.

Thanks all,
Zack

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Re: [WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

[Zack Kneisley]

I have plenty of ISA ones -- nowadays your lucky to find a standard PCI
slot. This server board only has 1 PCI slot. I'm not pulling this thing off
the rack-put in a PCI card just to find out that windows doesn't have a
driver for it... I can see it now... the server would end up somewhere other
than the data center

Zack

On 8/6/07, David E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Zack Kneisley wrote:
>
> [ snip: a Microsoft horror story ]
>
> Do they even MAKE add-on (PCI) floppy controllers anymore? Sounds like
> that may be your only viable solution.
>
> I thought the Win2003 installer could read from a USB flash stick,
> though it's been a while (and the last time I needed add-on drivers, I
> was working on a machine so old it still had an onboard floppy
> controller).
>
> Really, the only thing I have to add is "good luck."
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

[Zack Kneisley]

It all really depends on the geographic location of the source. Rural areas
are more costly than Metro, the infrastructure is already there. It sounds
to me that the provider has the facility and bandwidth, I would just compare
quotes similar to that area. some people can get 10Mbit for $1000.00 a month
over Ethernet, others pay $2000 for 6Mbit over Traditional T1's.

On 8/6/07, Jory Privett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am looking to upgrade one of my PoPs with some more bandwidth.   I have
> pricing from a reputable provider to deliver a 10M wireless link with a
> SLA.
> They support BGP, have plenty of bandwidth to supply, and will supply all
> the equipment for the link on a two year ontract.  I am wondering what
> other
> people might be paying for a service like this?
>
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[WISPA] 2003 Server/Slipstream/SP2/Product Key -Please help

[Zack Kneisley]

I hope that someone here can shed a bit of light on a problem I have
searched high and low for a solution to. I have a server in my data center,
new Intel S5000vs Dual Xeon board. This board has no floppy controller. To
install an f6 raid driver I have to attach a USB floppy. Install starts
great, on second reboot, Windows takes control of the board resources. It
decides the USB floppy isn't really there (Windows doesn't have native
drivers for it but the board bios recognizes it), thus when it needs the f6
Raid drivers, it can't get then, thus doesn't install. I have tried numerus
USB driver on the first floppy trick, doesn't work. Then I decide to
slipstream the drivers into the Windows 2003 install. While I'm at it I
decide to slipstream SP2 to save myself some time. Install goes great until
it asks for product key. My windows 2003 VOL Key won't work because its now
SP2... ok, my bad. I redo a slipstream CD so that it just has drivers, no
service packs. the install blue screens. After going through 12 or so cd's
thinking I must be installing the wrong raid drivers, to no avail. (they all
blue screen) I decide to add just the raid drivers and SP1 to my slipstream.
Install goes great, except that now it still won't accept my Product Key, I
assume its because of SP1. So now, I have to slipstream the drivers, thats
fine, but the drivers for some reason need at least SP1 to install correct,
but the Product Key doesn't work if I have a Service pack installed.

I think I'm burnt out at this point, so if anyone has any idea besides
arguing on the phone with a Microsoft tech support that can't speak a lick
of correct English (already been there for 2 hours) PLEASE throw a dog a
bone. There has to be something I haven't tried.

Zack

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Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

[Zack Kneisley]

I don't feel a need to defend my statements, but because I believe that this
particular incidence could provide a service for others, I will explain my
opinion as best as possible. I don't believe my opinion is right or wrong,
it is just that, an opinion. Your opinion has as much use as my own, to
challenge one to decide on their own, which they agree with, if any.

I did not believe or feel that Robert was breaking any rules on this list, I
feel he was contributing. I see nothing wrong wiht his post. I did not see
his post as a commercial advertisement, nor as selling or self promotion. I
have seen this list bicker back and forth about what is and what isn't more
than once, and the precedence I have seen among this list doesn't include
his particular post as being self promotion. I think his post was fine and
could provide a beneficial service.

I further think that if you felt his post was breaking a rule, or was
pressing the limits as to what is commercial advertising, your concern
should have been addressed off-list. If you didn't believe that this was the
case, then why publicly and repeatedly express that what he was doing was
something wrong. If the majority of the WISPA board thinks he is soliciting,
ban him from posting and take the discussion off-list, properly explain how
you or the board feels. If he is not soliciting, then don't publicly bash
the fact that you pay money to someone and he doesn't. I think my argument
is very simple.


Zack


On 8/3/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Replies below:
>
> Zack Kneisley wrote:
> > Scriv,
> > I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list?
>
> You bet it is open. Thanks to people who pay the dues and donate their
> time to keep it that way.
> >  I think
> > that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit
> > rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how
> it
> > would come across to me.
> >
> What did I deny this guy? I consider it rude to use open list resources
> as a place to build market data on our industry without throwing a
> little money in the kitty. I pay my dues, year in and year out, I donate
> my time. So if people want to use this list to develop a new business
> model that includes making money from the WISPs who are on here then all
> I am saying is that it is "rude" to not throw some money our way and
> show you support our industry. How is what this guy is doing with his
> "number one placement Google ad bot" any different than someone trying
> to sell you or me a better access point or something? We would not allow
> that without being a vendor here. I guess the real issue I have about
> your argument here is that this list is open and I should be allowed to
> explain why I think he should pay a vendor dues payment just as freely
> as you are to say I am rude.
>
> I am not telling Robert he cannot do what he is doing. I just think it
> would be better for him to formalize his relationship with WISPA if he
> is intending to use our resources to market to our membership here. That
> is what we ask of any other vendor.
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Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

[Zack Kneisley]

That WOULD be awesome

Thanks for the reference.

Zack


On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, like I said, they intend to put a POP in each county.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it
> available
> > are still the 2 things that have not happened. Also, in my neck of the
> > woods, it is still 40 miles to the nearest POP. The terrain that is
> > between
> > myself and that pop would take multiple wireless hops. I once did a
> > wireless
> > study to that general area and it would take between 4-6 hops using
> 300ft
> > towers.
> >
> > Zack
> >
> > On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zack,
> > >
> > > The Ohio Super Computer Center has OSCNet - a network of fiber optic
> > cable
> > > around the state.  They are trying to expand this program to put a
> fiber
> > > drop in each county that will be available to both public and private
> > last
> > > milers.  This thing has an enormous capacity - all but a hand full of
> > the
> > > state colleges and universities operate of this thing, and I believe
> > they
> > > said only about 1/16th of it's capacity is being utilized at this
> time.
> > >
> > > http://www.osc.edu/oscnet/
> > >
> > > A fellow by the name of Kim Peters in Morgan county is very familiar
> > with
> > > this project.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > You might talk to him and see how this is coming along.
> > >
> > > Dave Hannum
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some
> > > > networks
> > > > I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a
> > few
> > > > unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a
> > > particular
> > > > governmant agency. This agency, if any, would have access to any
> > > > governmant
> > > > fiber and said there wasn't any available.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone would like to disprove me, please do, It would open up a
> lot
> > > > more
> > > > possibilities.
> > > >
> > > > Zack
> > > >
> > > > On 8/2/07, Felix A. Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike - My other comments are that local governments
> > > > > have un-used fiber capacity and therefore seeking ways
> > > > > of generating revenue.  Such is the case with quasi
> > > > > goverment fiber too. For example, I believe NOAA-NET
> > > > > seeking to promote space and sell fiber services to
> > > > > other providers.  (at least that is what I heard two
> > > > > years ago in the Pacific Northwest??)
> > > > >
> > > > > Felix
> > > > > San Francisco Area
> > > > > --- Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt its anything more than PR.  Internet
> > > > > > connectivity sold by the state
> > > > > > of Illinois is ungodly expensive.  This is not much
> > > > > > (if any) different than
> > > > > > Illinois's network www.illinois.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > > From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205&from=rss
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "In order to coord

Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

[Zack Kneisley]

Scriv,
I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? I think
that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit
rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how it
would come across to me.
Business research is done everyday by doing exactly what Robert is doing,
asking questions. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder to the fact their
company is making money off of bringing customers to Verizon, but he would
do that if he came here for advice or not. I see this as an opportunity to
relate what the services the WISPS on this list provide to someone that only
has the experience with Verizon. I see this as an opportunity to possibly
bring a customer or 2 to me, nothing more. I am willing to pay for a
customer. I't called acquisition costs. Weather its in the cost to keep a
customer happy so you get the word out that you have good service or a
couple greebacks, the outcome is the same, I want a customer that generates
revenue. Sure network condition, price, population density, and market have
just as much to do with it, but are only small parts of a larger plan.

I have many times thought "It would be nice to have a small display in radio
shack like all the cell providers do". Well, Isn't quite the case but it
can, potentially, be a source of potential customers that costs me nothing
up front, nothing to setup, and could provide me with a customer. The
details are just important. Residual, bounty, lead, whatever the case may
be, I'm sure that we could come to terms with an arrangement that bennifits
myself, Robert, and my newly acquired customer. If its residual, they could
be paid a % if and only if the customer pays their bill. No risk there. If
it's bounty, then I would pay after a set # of months of a current account,
if it were for a lead, then I would have to say let it be web based and let
the server app to take care of the lead > customer potential payout, still
if only they become a paying customer.

These are just what I can think of off the top of my head. I would put it up
to Robert to figure out and draft the plan. If I like it ok... If not, no
harm done to me. This is why I don't feel he should be bashed and ask for a
vendor membership, if they were to want to do something through WISPA, as
involving WISPA in the process, sure maybe then WISPA does deserve a "fair
share", but at this point, I don't see how that would be fair, as the only
thing Robert is using of WISPA is the forum, which is open to anyone, right.
When he decides it's worth his money to invest in a $500.00 a month ad
through WISPA because it makes sense to his company, then can he ask
questions?

BTW, RObert, I would be happy to talk to you about setting up a WISP referal
system, not just for me, but for any wisp out there, I would be happy to
help with the technical side of things and the actual lead, bounty, referal
structure, all worked into 1 seamless system that would benefit all WISPS
that would like to be involved.free, free for my help and to involve any
WISP- free.

sorry, no grammar or spell check.

Zack Kneisley
CTO/Chief Network Engineer
Giga-Data LLC
Office: 740.432.3130
Cell:740.255.6253
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Your one stop shop for Blazing Broadband Internet
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On 8/3/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So I guess his business research that we are all helping him to acquire
> is not worth anything? I guess I see WISPA as being worth more than some
> here do. I have personally spent $1250.00 in WISPA direct dues payments
> (for yearly Principal Membership dues and $1000 for 700 MHz Committee
> dues) in the last year alone. I also donate hundreds of hours a year to
> maintaining these lists along with Rick Harnish. I DO THIS FOR FREE
> FOLKS. The guy asking for business research from all of you pays us
> nothing and is looking to profit from you. I like to think what I share
> here has value. Excuse me for thinking others who gain from this group
> effort should pay their fair share. I take offense to others profiting
> from us without throwing some money into the pot. If any of you make use
> of WISPA resources and think you get value from this effort then please
> feel free to join us by going to http://signup.wispa.org. I am paying my
> dues. Are you?
> Scriv
>
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> > I don't think it's bad to use us as a sounding board.  If he comes
> > back and tries to sell something here that's bad.  I see no problem
> > with asking people about products and services they'd like though.
> > That's what this list is here for.
> >
> > As for prequal, I'm not worried ab

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

[Zack Kneisley]

I am familiar with this network. Trying to expand, and making it available
are still the 2 things that have not happened. Also, in my neck of the
woods, it is still 40 miles to the nearest POP. The terrain that is between
myself and that pop would take multiple wireless hops. I once did a wireless
study to that general area and it would take between 4-6 hops using 300ft
towers.

Zack

On 8/3/07, Dave Hannum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Zack,
>
> The Ohio Super Computer Center has OSCNet - a network of fiber optic cable
> around the state.  They are trying to expand this program to put a fiber
> drop in each county that will be available to both public and private last
> milers.  This thing has an enormous capacity - all but a hand full of the
> state colleges and universities operate of this thing, and I believe they
> said only about 1/16th of it's capacity is being utilized at this time.
>
> http://www.osc.edu/oscnet/
>
> A fellow by the name of Kim Peters in Morgan county is very familiar with
> this project.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> You might talk to him and see how this is coming along.
>
> Dave Hannum
>
>
>
> On 8/3/07, Zack Kneisley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all of
> > the
> > longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some
> > networks
> > I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a few
> > unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a
> particular
> > governmant agency. This agency, if any, would have access to any
> > governmant
> > fiber and said there wasn't any available.
> >
> > If anyone would like to disprove me, please do, It would open up a lot
> > more
> > possibilities.
> >
> > Zack
> >
> > On 8/2/07, Felix A. Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike - My other comments are that local governments
> > > have un-used fiber capacity and therefore seeking ways
> > > of generating revenue.  Such is the case with quasi
> > > goverment fiber too. For example, I believe NOAA-NET
> > > seeking to promote space and sell fiber services to
> > > other providers.  (at least that is what I heard two
> > > years ago in the Pacific Northwest??)
> > >
> > > Felix
> > > San Francisco Area
> > > --- Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I doubt its anything more than PR.  Internet
> > > > connectivity sold by the state
> > > > of Illinois is ungodly expensive.  This is not much
> > > > (if any) different than
> > > > Illinois's network www.illinois.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:54 AM
> > > > Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205&from=rss
> > > > >
> > > > > "In order to coordinate and expand access to the
> > > > state's broadband data
> > > > > network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed
> > > > an executive order
> > > > > establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the
> > > > Broadband Ohio Network.
> > > > > The
> > > > > order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to
> > > > coordinate efforts to extend
> > > > > access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every
> > > > county in Ohio. The order
> > > > > allows public and private entities to tap into the
> > > > Broadband Ohio
> > > > > Network -
> > > > > all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed
> > > > internet service in
> > > > > parts
> > > > > of the state that presently don't have such
> > > > service."
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > Justin S. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower
> > > > Services
> > > > > WEB: http://www.mtin.net
> > > > > WEB: ht

Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

[Zack Kneisley]

I have lived in Ohio all my life and I believe I know of most of all of the
longhaul fiber that exists between cities. I'm sure there are some networks
I don't know about, but there has been a lot of money poured into a few
unlicensed wireless links that I have been involved with for a particular
governmant agency. This agency, if any, would have access to any governmant
fiber and said there wasn't any available.

If anyone would like to disprove me, please do, It would open up a lot more
possibilities.

Zack

On 8/2/07, Felix A. Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike - My other comments are that local governments
> have un-used fiber capacity and therefore seeking ways
> of generating revenue.  Such is the case with quasi
> goverment fiber too. For example, I believe NOAA-NET
> seeking to promote space and sell fiber services to
> other providers.  (at least that is what I heard two
> years ago in the Pacific Northwest??)
>
> Felix
> San Francisco Area
> --- Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I doubt its anything more than PR.  Internet
> > connectivity sold by the state
> > of Illinois is ungodly expensive.  This is not much
> > (if any) different than
> > Illinois's network www.illinois.net
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:54 AM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205&from=rss
> > >
> > > "In order to coordinate and expand access to the
> > state's broadband data
> > > network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed
> > an executive order
> > > establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the
> > Broadband Ohio Network.
> > > The
> > > order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to
> > coordinate efforts to extend
> > > access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every
> > county in Ohio. The order
> > > allows public and private entities to tap into the
> > Broadband Ohio
> > > Network -
> > > all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed
> > internet service in
> > > parts
> > > of the state that presently don't have such
> > service."
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Justin S. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower
> > Services
> > > WEB: http://www.mtin.net
> > > WEB: http://www.metrospan.net
> > > WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?

[Zack Kneisley]

Robert

I would be willing to pay a bounty, Top rank on the Google search results is
impressive. I'm sure that many other independent WISP's would be happy to
pay a bounty as long as it generated customers and was a fair price.
Personally (no offense Marlon or Jeromie) I would even be willing to pay a
lot more for a referral, even in the 3 digits, as long as it was a fair
payout for a contract customer. Customer acquisition and retention is one of
the most important aspects of the game.

I think it even might be possible to get residual income as long as it's
fair. I don't mind handing out money, as long we both make money.

Zack

On 8/3/07, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Marlon, Jerome,
>
> so are we talking $5-10 per customer or $5-10 per month commission
> payout as long as the customer pays?
>
>
>
> On 8/2/07, Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I to would be interested in such a referral program. Spot checking is
> > a great idea and could worked right into the referral form by asking
> > them to update them on the status with a email in 60 ~90 days. My
> > referrals and relay hosts shake out to the same price, $5 per user or
> > customer signup. A few of the referrals come out to $10 (free service
> > as right now i have "spare" bw), both are credits on the next bill.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/2/07, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Marlon, guys,
> > > is there an industry standard referral commission?
> > > anyone out there service europe?
> > > I'd be happy to send you biz since the majority of visitors that come
> > > to our site need FIXED not mobile internet
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > How about selling me customers?  I'll provide a coverage map and
> when
> > > > someone in there contacts you, you forward the info to us.  We'll
> try to
> > > > sell the account, when we do, we owe you money.  Say $10 or
> $20.  You get to
> > > > "own" that referral for 6 to 12 months.  We may not be able to get
> to them
> > > > today, but can with the next expansion.
> > > >
> > > > You'd have to at least spot check the ones we say we can't do to
> make sure
> > > > we're not sending in false reports etc. but with today's long
> distance rates
> > > > that shouldn't be hard to do.
> > > >
> > > > just a thought.
> > > > Marlon
> > > > (509) 982-2181
> > > > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> > > > 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
> since 1999!
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> > > > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "wispa" 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:03 AM
> > > > Subject: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Team, Marlon, et al,
> > > > >
> > > > > Need your help to get to next level.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are finally #1 in google under wireless internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > we get LOTS of traffic to our main site daily looking for wireless
> > > > > internet service.
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT we only sell EVDO. ugh. AND we only get a one time bounty. any
> > > > > recommendations on what else and HOW else we can deliver
> > > > > goods/services/subscriptions to our traffic base???
> > > > >
> > > > > blank slate.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider
> > > > > http://evdo-coverage.com/satellite-wireless-internet.html
> > > > > http://iptv-coverage.com http://wimax-coverage.com
> > > > > 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101
> > > > > Suite 203
> > > > > Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007
> > > > > 206 984 0880
> > > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network

[Zack Kneisley]

This is Ohio after all.

On 8/2/07, Frank Muto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 9. "I signed this Executive Order on July 26, 2007 in Columbus, Ohio and
> it
> will expire on my last day as Governor of Ohio unless rescinded before
> then."
>
> So what happens after that? Do you potentially build a business service on
> an executive order rather than legislative law?
>
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:54 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Ohio State-wide broadband network
>
>
> > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/01/2214205&from=rss
> >
> > "In order to coordinate and expand access to the state's broadband data
> > network, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has signed an executive order
> > establishing the Ohio Broadband Council and the Broadband Ohio Network.
> > The
> > order directs the Ohio Broadband Council to coordinate efforts to extend
> > access to the Broadband Ohio Network to every county in Ohio. The order
> > allows public and private entities to tap into the Broadband Ohio
> > Network -
> > all with a goal of expanding access to high-speed internet service in
> > parts
> > of the state that presently don't have such service."
> >
> > ---
> > Justin S. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services
> > WEB: http://www.mtin.net
> > WEB: http://www.metrospan.net
> > WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants

[Zack Kneisley]

Thanks for the popups Matt.. lol
Heres a better link
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/whosarat/vpost?id=552867


On 7/25/07, Matt Larsen - Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


snitch.net  ???

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com

Jack Unger wrote:
>
> http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/fbi-proposes-bu.html
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Re: [WISPA] Marina Cams

[Zack Kneisley]

http://www.ipvisionsoftware.com/
the link you posted doesn't work without the www.

;-)
Zack

On 7/25/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Smith, Rick wrote:
> Anyone done cameras at a marina where they've sold access to the slip
> owners ?
>
> How do ya handle multiple people wanting to see the same camera ?
>
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>
Network DVR allows multiple access.
Lots of camera manufacturers out there.
Works well - at least for the one client that is doing it.
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[WISPA] PowerStation 2

[Zack Kneisley]

Has anyone worked with these Powerstations? doesn't look like anything
strange or unfamiliar, except that it has every feature I can ever remember
wanting.
www.ubnt.com

Any comments good or bad?

Zack

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Re: [WISPA] RB 133c

[Zack Kneisley]

http://www.hyperlinktechnologies.com/

Do I need to get a spoon??

Happy Friday everyone.



On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I looked on the blog, but didn't see how big they would be.  I need to
make sure I have big enough enclosures.  Anyone have any ideas on
enclosures.

Brian

Dennis Burgess wrote:
> No, visit http://www.mikrotikconsulting.com and hit the blog, there is a
> link there with information on them.
>
>
> On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Would 600 and 1000 mean mhz?  Where would a guy find specs for these
new
>> boards?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Dennis Burgess wrote:
>> > There are RB 600s, and 1000s coming out.  the 600s with the
>> daughterboard
>> > looks the most promising  I still have no ETA on any of them
>> though.
>> >
>> > On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ya, but it's an extra $280 per link, times 10.  It's that $2800 I
>> don't
>> >> have now.
>> >>
>> >> Blair Davis wrote:
>> >> > Brian,
>> >> >
>> >> > Use the RB 532 or 532A.  Little more expensive, but I get 20
>> Mbit/sec
>> >> > + thru them in a PtMP setup on 5.8GHz with sr5 or xr5 cards.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>> >> >> Hey Guys,
>> >> >> I am trying to build some super cheap backhauls.  How much
traffic
>> >> >> could I pass with the 133 and a couple of sr5, and would I want a
>> >> >> level 3 or 4 lic?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> Brian
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

>>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Trango & VOIP

[Zack Kneisley]

Heres all the info you should need..

http://www.astlinux.org/index.php


http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=AstLinux%20Users%20Guide%20Chapter%201



On 7/5/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


That's your fault.  :-p


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango & VOIP


> unless you aren't using Asterix :-)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango & VOIP
>
>
>> IAX2 trunking is your savior.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:39 AM
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango & VOIP
>>
>>
>> But in the same sense, its not as cut and dry as oversubscription.  If
it
>> were, then a 5Mbps/5Mbps ratio could give me 103 calls/Mbit (IAX2/G729)
>> but
>> in reality, that's 100k PPS per 100 calls, making it unworkable.  But
at
>> the
>> same token, if I decide 15 concurrent calls @ G711 per AP is a usable
>> number
>> with bandwidth left over, I can manage oversubscription there.
>>
>> Ultimately, it's the PPS that kills it.  But can systems like Mikrotik
>> for
>> QOS adequately pack the packets over the wireless so that instead of
>> transmitting 100 300byte packets, to transmit 20 1500byte packets?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:06 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango & VOIP
>>
>> I have plenty of VOIP customers behind my Trango network.
>> I'm also getting excellent results using Targeted Technologies
>> proprietary
>> 8K stream VOIP even over my 900Mhz Trango.
>> Trango has plenty of processing power and pps performance to do VOIP.
>>
>> The relevent question is, is the oversubscription rate you plan to use
on
>> your network within the capabilty of delivering VOIP?
>> There are many challenges in delivering quality VOIP over ANY PtMP
>> network
>> design.
>>
>> Although prioirtization helps, its not the one save all feature. In
PtMP
>> end
>>
>> users must compete for upload time of the AP, even smart polling
systems
>> do
>> not 100% solve this issue in an oversubscribed network, although helps
>> significantly. Backend prioiritization is not enough for upload
>> direction,
>> if it gets choked at the AP before it reaches the prioritization.  If
you
>> are going to do VOIP, you must be more conservative on your
>> oversubscription
>>
>> rate, and you will be fine.  On the download side it is not a problem
as
>> traffic will reach the bandwdith management/prioiritization before it
>> reaches the AP.
>>
>> With that said, Trango had been working on a VOIP prioritized firmware
>> last
>> year for the 5580, I do not know if it was released or not.
>> The second issue is whether you are designing your Trango network with
>> enough RF margin.  Never never use a bare 5580 radio, its
pointless.  The
>> Behive antennas are now shipping for the Trango 5580 also!! They work
>> great,
>>
>> and bring the signal up to between 15-18 db antenna gain, depending on
>> the
>> case.  They are great.
>>
>> Lastly, the newest Trango Firmwares added some support to help with out
>> of
>> order packets with its ARQ algorithym.  This seemed to help quite a bit
>> to
>> optimize the VOIP performance when using ARQ.  We only run Trango with
>> ARQ.
>> To valuable to turn off.  (With the exception of for 5830s).
>>
>> The other decission you'll need to make is whetehr the over all design
of
>> your network is good enough to be a VOIP provider. You will have to be
>> the
>> judge of that.  Voice services are demanding, from an uptime SLA point
of
>> view.  To handle this, we are adding more point to point links, more
>> licensed links, getting rid of backbone bottle necks, etc.
>>
>> But Trango can handle VOIP just fine, as far as capabilty of a radio.
>> The
>> VOIP engineering is up to you, on the router behind and in front of
them.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:23 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Trango & VOIP
>>
>>
>> Just a quick question to the list, is Trango 5800 series still a viable
>> option for providing data & VOIP (IAX2) to customers?  I know a few
ISPs
>> out
>> there who use it for that, but 

Re: [WISPA] muni business models working?

[Zack Kneisley]

interesting read, thanks

On 7/3/07, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.telecommagazine.com/newsglobe/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_3265

marlon

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Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites

[Zack Kneisley]

Yes, Jack

Please keep this thread updated with your progress and more details if you
contact these individuals.

Zack

On 6/13/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you get more details please share them here. I will join in writing a
letter. Having the government telling us to turn off this site or that
site is a dangerous precedent to allow. It is similar to having them
decide what books get to reach the shelves. That was never allowed and
this should not be either.
Scriv


Jack Unger wrote:

> I agree 100% with the author of this article.
>
> Requiring ISPs to block sites that they "suspect" of advertising or
> selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing
> with marketing abuse.
>
> Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on "suspicion" or
> on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking
> freedom than we will ever gain in "security".
>
> I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write
> Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions
> (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the
> ISP-requirement provisions.
>
> jack
>
>
> Matt wrote:
>
>>
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations
>>
>>
>> or
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs
>>
>> Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about
>> online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous.
>> What will be next.
>>
>> It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the
>> use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs
>> directly to consumers.  Credit card processing companies should be
>> held liable as well.
>>
>> Matt
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] zip codes covered

[Zack Kneisley]

onlist.. offlist, you can look up my address either way :-)

On 6/7/07, Zack Kneisley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


43725..

Zack Kneisley
CTO/Chief Network Engineer
Giga-Data LLC
Office: 740.432.3130
Cell:740.255.6253
-

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DSL, Wireless, Dialup, Webhosting, & Network Specialists.




On 6/7/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working on a couple of projects and I'm having trouble finding the
> size
> of the *potential* market covered by the wisp industry.
>
> This info will not specifically go out to anyone else.  Nothing will tie
>
> your name/company to your zip codes.  I'm just after the zip codes that
> you
> hit today.
>
> PLEASE send me an OFF-LIST email with the zips.  I'll put them all in
> one
> doc and will then have someone run them through a program that will give
> us
> population numbers for each zip.
>
> If you guys think it's reasonable I can then release those results
> (you'll
> know more about your zip code demographics) or keep them
> private.  Either
> way is fine with me.
>
> I need this data for three things.  One is regulatory/legislative clout.
> Everyone wants to know how many people are affected by wisps.  Two is
> disaster relief.  I need to know what zip codes are covered so that we
> can
> find operators near disasters easier.  Third is a national
> roaming/wholesale
> program I'm working on (think cell phone like abilities with
> broadband!).
>
> Thanks much!
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
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Re: [WISPA] zip codes covered

[Zack Kneisley]

43725..

Zack Kneisley
CTO/Chief Network Engineer
Giga-Data LLC
Office: 740.432.3130
Cell:740.255.6253
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DSL, Wireless, Dialup, Webhosting, & Network Specialists.




On 6/7/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi All,

I'm working on a couple of projects and I'm having trouble finding the
size
of the *potential* market covered by the wisp industry.

This info will not specifically go out to anyone else.  Nothing will tie
your name/company to your zip codes.  I'm just after the zip codes that
you
hit today.

PLEASE send me an OFF-LIST email with the zips.  I'll put them all in one
doc and will then have someone run them through a program that will give
us
population numbers for each zip.

If you guys think it's reasonable I can then release those results (you'll
know more about your zip code demographics) or keep them private.  Either
way is fine with me.

I need this data for three things.  One is regulatory/legislative clout.
Everyone wants to know how many people are affected by wisps.  Two is
disaster relief.  I need to know what zip codes are covered so that we can
find operators near disasters easier.  Third is a national
roaming/wholesale
program I'm working on (think cell phone like abilities with broadband!).

Thanks much!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



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Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

[Zack Kneisley]

Amen.. < me rejoicing

On 6/7/07, Patrick Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I would hope any WISP worth serious about its being a business (versus a
hobby) should be at least roughly familiar with the issue and the fact
that a decision was being re-evaluated.

At my read, it looks like ALL listen-before-talk type BWA products will
be certifiable under the rule for use in all 50 MHz. But -- and yee haw
for this -- no license is provided WITHOUT the operator entering the FCC
equipment authorization number for the intended product. This means this
band will be largely free from illegal systems -- if a vendor wants to
play in the space, they have to do the minimal work required to make
themselves legal to do so. All should rejoice at this.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:09 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

I just hope systems like Mikrotik w/ Ubiquiti SR3s/ XR3s(eventually) can
be
made certified under 3650.  That will keep the equipment low priced AND
able
to use the whole band.  And in CSMA disable mode, only the lower half of
the
band.

I think  that in major cities 3650 coordination may become an eventual
issue
if the major carriers jump on this (like cell, Clearwire, etc).  But
most
rural and small WISPs will never even hear about this band for a long
time,
keeping it open for those who know a lot longer.

Less likely will it be that those WISPs will even know what to file,
seeing
as they probably didn't even file a 477 or CALEA form.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:57 PM
To: WISPA General List; FCC Discussion
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

Very interesting clarifications that will be immediately beneficial to
WISPs and others looking to deploy in the band. The big wild card and
open question in my view is the cooperation requirement. The Commission
extensively uses the language about being "required" to cooperate, but
does not fully define what that means and to what extent or any
consequences of not doing so. Does it mean the existing operator MUST
re-work an existing channel plan to accommodate every new entry? This is
one of many open and important questions. And these questions only
become more acute in the lower 25 MHz restricted portion. That rule
clearly allows any TDD product that can sync with any other like
operator, i.e. Canopy, .16e WiMAX, and any number of other TDD products.
But the rule still requires these distinct entities to "cooperate" on
some level even though there is no way for them to cooperate via gear
short of channel isolation, which is not mandated.

So that part of the rule will be an enforcement AND legal mess over
time.

All that said, I am glad to see it finally out and happy that the FCC
put some effort into the clarification.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:21 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org; FCC Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..

Only FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein added comments to the 3650 band

Memorandum Opinion and Order published today.
He said:


___

*"A little over two years ago, I was very pleased to support the
Commission's innovative
decision to make the spectrum in the 3650-3700 MHz (3650 MHz) band
available on a licensed,
but non-exclusive, basis. In many respects, this was a bold statement.
We wanted to take
advantage of the success of the WiFi movement and take it to another
level. We wanted to find
the right balance between a licensing model for traditional, area-wide
mobile systems and a
model for unlicensed, consumer-based services. Our licensing regime for
the 3650 MHz band
will serve as a wireless highway between small towns and the big city -
it will facilitate the
delivery of broadband to all corners of the country by serving a
different user group, one that
often is driven by more localized, community based needs.

Since our initial decision, I have talked often about the public
interest benefits of the new
licensing rules for the 3650 MHz band. I have spoken with many
supporters of our decision, and
with those who believe the band would be better used on an exclusive
basis. But I remain
convinced the hybrid licensing approach that we first adopted for the
3650 MHz band is the
correct one, and I enthusiastically support our reconsideration order
today.

During my time at the Commission, I have pushed for flexible licensing
appr

Re: [WISPA] How can this be?

[Zack Kneisley]

I wondering that myself.. thought I might have missed a post somewhere.

On 6/7/07, Dawn DiPietro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Marlon,

Please explain how the information on this website contradicts either of
those 2 thoughts.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> http://www.internettrafficreport.com/
>
> I thought America was running behind the rest of the world in broadband!
>
> And I thought most of Asia was wired with ftth and the latest in
> wireless technologies!
>
> What gives?
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly

[Zack Kneisley]

Ohio can be a bit difficult, one day snow, the next in the 80's

On 6/6/07, Mark Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Over the past year we've installed about 100 of their CPQ-19s and I've
sent
3 back.  Could it be your climate?  We have very mild temperatures for the
most part...neither really hot or really cold.

Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message -
From: "Zack Kneisley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly


> Just my opinion, I've beat down tranzeo enough in the past to cover a
year
> or so, but Tranzeos are not built for durability or longevity. Our
company
> has experienced a 25% or more failure rate on their entire line of
products.
> Stu might tell you different though ;-)
>
> Zack
>
> On 6/6/07, Ryan Langseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What firmware are you running,  there was a bug where it would not
pass
> > traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware.
> >
> > We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection
> > intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made
> > it work alot better.  I was pretty sure this problem is with the
> > distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson
told
> > us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a
> > link distance of 5 miles.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote:
> > > Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs?
> > >
> > > We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but
don't
> > > pass all traffic.
> > > The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is
> > > having problems.
> > >
> > > Anybody having similar issues?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] International Interest in WISPA member.

[Zack Kneisley]

Not Found The requested URL /albania.html was not found on this server.

On 6/6/07, David Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Roadstar was visited by a group of folks from Armenia wanting to learn how
we did our thing here with licensed and unlicensed frequencies. Story and
photos at www.roadstarinternet.com/albania.html if you are interested.



Dave





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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly

[Zack Kneisley]

Just my opinion, I've beat down tranzeo enough in the past to cover a year
or so, but Tranzeos are not built for durability or longevity. Our company
has experienced a 25% or more failure rate on their entire line of products.
Stu might tell you different though ;-)

Zack

On 6/6/07, Ryan Langseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What firmware are you running,  there was a bug where it would not pass
traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware.

We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection
intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made
it work alot better.  I was pretty sure this problem is with the
distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson told
us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a
link distance of 5 miles.

Ryan

On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote:
> Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs?
>
> We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but don't
> pass all traffic.
> The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is
> having problems.
>
> Anybody having similar issues?

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Re: [WISPA] John Edwards on 700

[Zack Kneisley]

It's actuating interesting for a candidate to have any knowledge of this
otherwise grassroots perspective on the spectrum use. To make these claims
as he has, either himself or his staff must have similar views or knowledge.


Could this perspective possibly benefit the medium size ISP/WISP or will it
amount to a pipe dream because of potential financial resources that could
be needed to get access to this spectrum? Does it look like a potential
perspective we should collectively stand behind, or just political talk that
could benefit the monopolies?

Politics no matter what personal view takes or gives to, affects or industry
and businesses consequently and beneficially, therefore should be a
important topic for a collective consensus among us if we would like to
steer our future rather than just follow those who do govern the decisions
that we are bound to.

Any opinions of this?

Zack



On 6/4/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John Edwards may be the first White House contender to offer up an
opinion on the upcoming 700 MHz auction scheduled for later this year at
the Federal Communications Commission, and he appears to stand behind
the notion of more bidding opportunities for smaller players.

In a letter yesterday to Chairman Kevin Martin, the candidate wrote,
"The upcoming 700 MHz spectrum auction presents a once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity to shape the next generation of American technology. In
recent years, the Internet has grown to touch everything and transform
much of what it touches. It's not the answer to everything, but it can
powerfully accelerate the best of America. It improves our democracy by
making quiet voices loud, improves our economy by making small markets
big, and improves opportunity by making unlikely dreams possible.

Calling the spectrum slice "beachfront," Edwards said the 700 MHz band
is "particularly well suited to wireless broadband because it has wide
coverage and can easily pass through walls." As such, "by setting bid
and service rules that unleash the potential of smaller new entrants,
you can transform information opportunity for people across America --
rural and urban, wealthy and not," he added. "As much as half of the
spectrum should be set aside for wholesalers who can lease access to
smaller start-ups, which has the potential to improve service to rural
and underserved areas. Additionally, anyone winning rights to this
valuable public resource should be required not to discriminate among
data and services and to allow any device to be attached to their
service. Finally, bidding should be anonymous to avoid collusion and
retaliatory bids."

Edwards did not address the contentious issue of a nationwide broadband
network set-aside for first responders, but it's interesting that this
rather arcane topic - spectrum auctions - may become a plank in a
Republican or Democratic platform next year.

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Re: [WISPA] RE: QuickMounts

[Zack Kneisley]

Here is a link to several Roof mounts and prices from Tessco

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgszq7vm_18c559xq


Z

On 5/31/07, Edward J. Hatfield III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


RE the attached Word document, we've installed dozens of these, and even
more variations on the basic themes. They're reasonably priced, simple to
assemble and install, and rugged. For small antenna applications,
converting
a non-penetrating mount into a ballasted mount is as simple as bolting
them
to a sheet of pressure-treated plywood, setting the whole assembly upon a
rubber mat and adding a few cinder blocks.



Contact my good friend, Dana Lemmerman, as shown below and happing
mounting!
{:-)



Telecom Product Profiles

765-427-5827

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 www.telepp.com



P.S. Contact me off-List if you cannot open the file. Thanks, Ted



Edward J. Hatfield III, President

E.J. Hatfield & Company

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Norcross, GA  30071-4342  USA

1-770-209-9236 - Office

1-770-209-9238 - Fax

1-770-560-0736 - Sprint/NexTel

1-678-457-8411 - AT&T/Cingular

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-Original Message-
From: Cliff Leboeuf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:07 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] QuickMounts



What about using one of these...

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4252323



Fred Sanford could probably find one of these from his neighbor :)



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JohnnyO wrote:

> Anyone ever use these ?

http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html

>

> JohnnyO


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Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013

[Zack Kneisley]

Yes, copper is very popular, local churches getting their building scathed
for it's copper. Prices are pretty high, it has gone up steadily since Jan.
I can see that fiber could be cheaper in manufacture and in raw material.

Z

On 6/1/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, fiber and copper have been about the same cost to deploy lately
because the bulk of the cost is in the labor.  It makes sense that fiber
is
more attractive now because of copper pricing.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013


>I was at a meeting yesterday that had several large carriers present.
> One of the carriers made the comment that they are migrating away from
> copper for new deployments.  He said that FTTH is now cheaper than
> copper due to increased material costs.
>
> c
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
>
> Thats Funny.
> Like A inplace copper plant is more costly to maintain than a new Fiber
> network? Not likely.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
>
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional
> companies
>> with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the
> bill.
>> As someone once said "No one wants to be in office when the copper
>> networks go dark."
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dawn DiPietro
>>
>>
>> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>>> I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco
> customer if
>>> they are allowed to pull out of those areas.  A very large amount of
>>> money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines
> are
>>> available in the hinterlands.
>>>
>>> How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their
> Northern
>>> New England customers?  I would be very willing to bet that it is
>>> significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to
>>> those customers.
>>>
>>> Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in
> the
>>> first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund
> voice
>>> to every home regardless of its economic viability.  Right or wrong,
> that
>>> was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this
> long
>>> but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are
> trying
>>> to weasel their way out of it.
>>>
>>> However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some
> customers
>>> are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless.
>>>
>>>Sam Tetherow
>>>Sandhills Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] H.R. 2054 Universal Service Reform Act of 2007

[Zack Kneisley]

Opinions of the totally uninformed and no knowledge of the industry is
welcome as well.

I think we already read several of those a day anyway ;-) lol

Z

On 6/1/07, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I don't have an intimate knowledge of the telco industry so I guess you
are not asking my opinion, but hey that has never stopped me before.

Personally, I don't want to have anything to do with USF funds either
charging for them or receiving them. Once in that bed it is pretty hard
to get back out. And this is coming from someone who operates in an area
where I would be receiving a lot more than I would be contributing.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Zack Kneisley wrote:
> Since USF has been brought up, I would like to have the opinion of
> some of
> the WISPA members that have more intimate knowledge of the Telco
industry
> than myself on the following H.R Bill 2054 and what if any impact it
will
> have.
>
> http://www.benton.org/index.php?q=node/5674
> http://www.benton.org/benton_files/bill.pdf
>
> snip
> Summary
>
> On April 26, 2007 Rick Boucher (D-VA) and Lee Terry (R-NE) introduced
the
> Universal Service Reform Act of 2007 to improve the Universal Service
> Fund
> (USF) and ensure its continued viability by broadening the base of
> contributions into the Fund, controlling distributions from the Fund,
and
> assisting with the rollout of high speed broadband access.
>
> Section 2: Defines a communications service provider as any entity
> that: (1)
> currently pays into or receives funds from the universal service fund
> (e.g.,
> long distance providers and local exchange service); (2) uses telephone
> numbers or IP addresses, or their functional successors or
> equivalents, to
> offer real-time, two-way voice communications in which the voice
> component
> is the primary function (e.g., cable telephony and VoIP providers) or
(3)
> offers a network connection to the public (e.g., DSL, cable modem,
> WiMax and
> broadband over powerline providers).
>
> Defines high speed broadband service  as a two-way network that uses
> Internet protocol or a successor protocol to enable end users to receive
> communications, including voice, data, video or any other form, in
> Internet
> protocol format at a download receiving rate of one megabit per second
or
> greater. The FCC is directed to review the one megabit per second speed
> requirement every other year beginning the sixth year after the date of
> enactment and to make adjustments to move to higher speeds as
> deployment and
> advancement of new technology allows communications service providers to
> provide higher broadband speeds to end users in an economically
efficient
> manner.
>
> /snip
>
> Zack
>
>

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[WISPA] H.R. 2054 Universal Service Reform Act of 2007

[Zack Kneisley]

Since USF has been brought up, I would like to have the opinion of some of
the WISPA members that have more intimate knowledge of the Telco industry
than myself on the following H.R Bill 2054 and what if any impact it will
have.

http://www.benton.org/index.php?q=node/5674
http://www.benton.org/benton_files/bill.pdf

snip
Summary

On April 26, 2007 Rick Boucher (D-VA) and Lee Terry (R-NE) introduced the
Universal Service Reform Act of 2007 to improve the Universal Service Fund
(USF) and ensure its continued viability by broadening the base of
contributions into the Fund, controlling distributions from the Fund, and
assisting with the rollout of high speed broadband access.

Section 2: Defines a communications service provider as any entity that: (1)
currently pays into or receives funds from the universal service fund (e.g.,
long distance providers and local exchange service); (2) uses telephone
numbers or IP addresses, or their functional successors or equivalents, to
offer real-time, two-way voice communications in which the voice component
is the primary function (e.g., cable telephony and VoIP providers) or (3)
offers a network connection to the public (e.g., DSL, cable modem, WiMax and
broadband over powerline providers).

Defines high speed broadband service as a two-way network that uses
Internet protocol or a successor protocol to enable end users to receive
communications, including voice, data, video or any other form, in Internet
protocol format at a download receiving rate of one megabit per second or
greater. The FCC is directed to review the one megabit per second speed
requirement every other year beginning the sixth year after the date of
enactment and to make adjustments to move to higher speeds as deployment and
advancement of new technology allows communications service providers to
provide higher broadband speeds to end users in an economically efficient
manner.

/snip

Zack


On 5/31/07, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer
if they are allowed to pull out of those areas.  A very large amount of
money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are
available in the hinterlands.

How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their
Northern New England customers?  I would be very willing to bet that it
is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to
those customers.

Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the
first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice
to every home regardless of its economic viability.  Right or wrong,
that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this
long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are
trying to weasel their way out of it.

However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers
are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Visio Icons

[Zack Kneisley]

Netzoom doesn't have them,
http://www.altimatech.com/home/home.asp?alpha=M
they would make them if you used (or know someone) their software.

Z

On 5/30/07, Justin Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Anyone seen any VISIO icons for Mikrotik? I am working on some network
diagrams for various people and would like to have some mikrotik icons if
possible.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.

[Zack Kneisley]

I do agree with this thinking, I have envisioned tiered pricing like this,
the problem mainly arises when you get customers that don't want options,
they want an all inclusive unlimited service that the telcos & cablecos
offer (until you read their TOS. I have seen pricing for services before
though. Can someone provide links to some "service based pricing"?

Zack





It might be wise to start thinking about selling connectivity by service
- email only, website only, heavy user, etc.
Start packaging with built-in expectations.

Regards,

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.





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Re: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHz WiMAX Mini-PCI Design

[Zack Kneisley]

Theory - Relativity or Quantum Physics? :-)

On 5/30/07, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


In theory it gives you more distance and better throughput per Hz.  But
how it will handle the interference is the unknown at this point.
Everything is a trade off.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


Zack Kneisley wrote:
> I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like
> WiMAX will
> be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More power? better
> throughput? Different modulation?
>
> I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough.
>
> Zack
>
> On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237
>>
>> Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for Fast
>> Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide
>>
>> DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat
>> (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004 & .16e-2005
>> solutions announced today the immediate availability of its 5.8 GHz
>> Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design is
>> optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly bring
>> WiMAX equipment to market.
>>
>> snip

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Re: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHz WiMAX Mini-PCI Design

[Zack Kneisley]

I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like WiMAX will
be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More power? better
throughput? Different modulation?

I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough.

Zack

On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237

Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for Fast
Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide

DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat
(www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004 & .16e-2005
solutions announced today the immediate availability of its 5.8 GHz
Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design is
optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly bring
WiMAX equipment to market.

snip

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Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.

[Zack Kneisley]

Talk about a biased view, "(while we wait for Telcos or companies like
Google to build out the next-generation networks)" get real.

"make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten thieving
scum"
Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks like a
duck, and sounds like a duck..

"But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband
access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong."

Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at $400-$500 a
month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month.

Z

On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


All,

Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read.
http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


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Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

Not really, they are all integrated into one gmail account, plus it also
checks pop accounts and archives them. My days of 10+ gig pst files are
over, I let gmail collect and archive so I don't have to.

Zack

On 5/17/07, Ryan Langseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Zack Kneisley wrote:
> Jack,
>
> Actually,  that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address?
I
> have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a
> signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that
it
> checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't
and
> another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my
> signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I
> don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't.
>
> This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the
easiest
> way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in
> place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot
simpler
> back then hu? lol
>
> I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more
than
> "One email file". I just would like clarification of what can or cannot
be
> done accordance with this lists rules.
>
> Zack

That is alot of email accounts.  I limit myself to two accounts that I
actively check. My work account and my personal account.  If I have a
list I am involved in, I filter by the "list-id" header.  If I am
signing up for something I use the the email address tagging (rfc 2822)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Those two features plus some filter rules
works really nice to keep my inbox clean.  There are a few sites that,
do not like the "+" sign, those are generally spammy site and I dump
them to a throwaway account.  btw, gmail does support the +tag.

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Re: [WISPA] GMAIL

[Zack Kneisley]

no, just clicking on the actual label text on the left, but I don't use the
label option much.
I love the archive button though. Gets alot of clutter out of the way.

Zack

On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Any way to tell it to MOVE them into the lable, not just sit in the inbox?



On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was thinking it would look like newsgroups or something,g that has a
> little plus that drills down the replies etc.  I have it working the way
> you
> have it.  Still trying to get it to capture EVERYTHING from WISPA. .etc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Zack Kneisley
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:26 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] GMAIL
>
> It does. It's very nice for lists.. actually the best I have ever used.
> The
> 2853MB of space doesn't hurt either. I'm not sure how to get it to work
> that
> way, but it does it for me
>
> Zack
>
> On 5/17/07, Dennis Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering, I saw a post where someone said that the GMAIL service
> has
> >
> > the ability to show messages by the topic (subject), anyone wish to
> > enlightn
> > me!
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

I, due to physical restrictions, do spend more time at a computer than most,
so my time has to be spent efficiently as possible, managing as much as I
do. I concure that clarification is needed. If you think this list is hard
to keep up with, try the ARIN ppml list. ;-)

Zack

On 5/17/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Zack,

I salute you for your integrity and your ability to manage 11 email
accounts. I, on the other hand, in my waking hours between 6 AM and 2 AM
barely have the ability to keep up with email on a single Thunderbird
email account. For me, practicality wins the day and I'll continue to
try and manage and use one main email account that appends one sig file.

I do agree that clarification of the rules is important long as we don't
get into so much hairsplitting that life becomes totally impractical
(well, not any more impractical than it already is anyway) :)

Best Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

Jack,

Actually,  that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I
have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a
signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it
checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and
another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my
signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I
don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't.

This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest
way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in
place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler
back then hu? lol

I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than
"One email file". I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be
done accordance with this lists rules.

Zack

On 5/17/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Zack,

It is totallly impractical to create and have to (somehow) manage
different email files for different lists, responses to clients, etc.
One email file is the only practical way to go.

jack


Zack Kneisley wrote:
> On 5/17/07, David E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Zack Kneisley wrote:
>>
>> > I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a
signature
>> of
>> > this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it.
>>
>> That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of "what counts as
>> promotion," though.
>
>
> As I put it, I think there should be a limit of what should be included
> in a
> signature due to the fact that it could and is inevitably advertising
your
> company.
>
>
> Let's take the email thread, as an example.
>>
>> If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post "you should use my
company
>> because it's the best," that's probably self-promotion.
>
>
> I agree
>
> What if I say "you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member?" Is
>> that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to
>> offer to paying vendor members?
>
>
> Wispa vendor based advertising is, or should be limited to the specific
> advertisement only based posts that that vendor has paid for.
>
>
> What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail?
>
>
> Good question, this is a "fuzzy" type of situation, and the person is
being
> dishonest in posting their views because it is biased. they should
disclose
> this info. Most companies do when they report on a financial partner.
Ever
> watch the evening news when they report on a parent company? They
purposely
> disclose this information.
>
>
> What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome
>> SuperDeluxeEmail is?
>
>
> Dishonest and shoud be treated so.
>
> What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority
>> investor? Or "merely" a very satisfied customer?
>
>
> Disclose it then.
>
> What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service
>> so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them?
>
>
> Not quite sure what you mean.
>
> There's a lot of subtle levels here.
>>
>> Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that
a
>> lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here.
>> A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy.
>> (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit,
>> you won't be in business for very long.)
>
>
> Rules
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> 5) No selling or self promotion allowed.
>
>
> Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone
>> walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is
>> this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or
>> shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product,
we
>> won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll
>> probably encourage you to do so, but...)
>
>
> Not talking about a booth, talking about direct advertisement in a
> community
> post.
>
> If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely
>> upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of
>> its value.
>
>
> No, just no self promotion that you can "buy this product through me" in
a
> general post. this doesn&#

Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

Point well taken, I think I was trying to make the point that if Dee looked
as if he was blatantly advertising the product by putting that service in
their signature, then that *should* apply to everyone, don't you agree?

I don't have a problem one way or another, I just want the rules to apply to
everyone equally. I don't mind being able to advertise in my signature
either.

Zack
Giga-Data, LLC
The company that sells everything,
consultant of all services,
cheaper than anyone.
Phone: (740)432-3130

(see what I mean)  :-)

On 5/17/07, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 17 May 2007, Zack Kneisley wrote:

>I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a
>signature of this particular list should be allowed unless you pay

Not sure I'd go that far.  I think email sigs are acceptable,
regardless of the content or poster.  I can tell you that I have a
single signature file that I use and if it were not allowed on this
(or some other) list, the I would just go to the trouble to not post
on that list.

There is value to the list members in the input of various people,
regardless of their status with WISPA.  However, I think the problem
(in the case of what started this) was a little different.
Personally, I think anything should be allowed in an email sig.  I
think answering questions is (and should be) allowed, even if the
answer promotes a product you sell.

I am a vendor member of WISPA and I sell consulting services as well
as technical training for the Mikrotik RouterOS.  I have been on
this list since it's creation.  I have been a vendor member for only
a month or two.  I have posted MANY answers to questions on this
list, some of which were "borderline" advertisements.  I have, also,
paid for actual advertisements.  If you look back through the
archives, you'll see that my posts (most of them) have not been self
promoting, however, I have gained MUCH value from having
participated in this, and many other, lists.

I think the problem that started this thread (and the original one)
should have been handled offlist.  I DO think, however, that blatant
advertising, which WAS happening, should be kept to a minimum.  I'm
just glad I'm not the one who has to decide what is and is not
"appropriate".

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Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

I agree. That's what I was trying to get through as well, either enforcement
of the rules or non-enforcement. Just make it equal across the board for
those who do or do not pay certain dues.

Zack

On 5/17/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I also think that WISPA really should do a better job of policing our
lists.
We now have enough vendor members that we're seeing some overlap and we
have
more responsibilities to them.

laters,
Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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1999!
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- Original Message -
From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list


> Zack Kneisley wrote:
>
>> I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature
of
>> this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it.
>
> That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of "what counts as
> promotion," though.
>
> Let's take the email thread, as an example.
>
> If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post "you should use my company
> because it's the best," that's probably self-promotion.
>
> What if I say "you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member?" Is
> that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to
> offer to paying vendor members?
>
> What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail?
>
> What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome
> SuperDeluxeEmail is?
>
> What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority
> investor? Or "merely" a very satisfied customer?
>
> What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service
> so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them?
>
> There's a lot of subtle levels here.
>
> Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a
> lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here.
> A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy.
> (If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit,
> you won't be in business for very long.)
>
> Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone
> walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is
> this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or
> shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we
> won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll
> probably encourage you to do so, but...)
>
> If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely
> upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of
> its value.
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

On 5/17/07, David E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Zack Kneisley wrote:

> I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature
of
> this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it.

That gets into the incredibly fuzzy question of "what counts as
promotion," though.



As I put it, I think there should be a limit of what should be included in a
signature due to the fact that it could and is inevitably advertising your
company.


Let's take the email thread, as an example.


If I'm the owner of SuperDeluxeEmail and post "you should use my company
because it's the best," that's probably self-promotion.



I agree

What if I say "you should use my company because I'm a WISPA member?" Is

that promotion, or an advertisement of the sort WISPA has been known to
offer to paying vendor members?



Wispa vendor based advertising is, or should be limited to the specific
advertisement only based posts that that vendor has paid for.


What if I don't disclose that I own SuperDeluxeEmail?


Good question, this is a "fuzzy" type of situation, and the person is being
dishonest in posting their views because it is biased. they should disclose
this info. Most companies do when they report on a financial partner. Ever
watch the evening news when they report on a parent company? They purposely
disclose this information.


What if I'm using a sock puppet to tell people how awesome

SuperDeluxeEmail is?



Dishonest and shoud be treated so.

What if, instead of being the owner of the company, I'm just a minority

investor? Or "merely" a very satisfied customer?



Disclose it then.

What if I think it's a lousy company and I want you to use their service

so you'll think it's lousy and join me in publicly bad-mouthing them?



Not quite sure what you mean.

There's a lot of subtle levels here.


Honestly, IMO a lot of the value of this list comes from the fact that a
lot of different vendors are directly, or indirectly, represented here.
A little self-promotion is probably inevitable, and probably healthy.
(If you can't promote yourself and your business at least a little bit,
you won't be in business for very long.)



Rules
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
5) No selling or self promotion allowed.


Giving WISPA money doesn't (or at least shouldn't) mean that everyone

walks on eggshells around your booth in the ongoing trade show that is
this mailing list, and doesn't mean that we'll overlook any problems or
shortcomings in your product. Conversely, if you make a good product, we
won't ignore it out-of-hand because you haven't yet tithed. (We'll
probably encourage you to do so, but...)



Not talking about a booth, talking about direct advertisement in a community
post.

If we're going to start treating some folks differently based solely

upon whether they're paying members of WISPA, this list loses a lot of
its value.



No, just no self promotion that you can "buy this product through me" in a
general post. this doesn't mean you can't say "this product is good because
it does this and this"

It is all a little fuzzy, but I think signatures should be limited to a
single link to their site, if not, the majority of the list is breaking the
rules.

If you don't agree, then maybe the rules need to be changed, or enforced
differently.


David Smith

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Re: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device

[Zack Kneisley]

I have seen a demo of this product and think it might work the way you are
talking..

http://www.trusteli.com/business/isp.php

Zack

On 5/15/07, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there any device on the market that would monitor that would sit
between my network and my internet feed and do this:
1-monitor customer traffic
2-identify problematic traffic(malware,storms, ect)
3- Redirect those customers to a Cleanup portal

Or can it be developed with the current open source tools?
(nagios,Ntop,snort)?

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[WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

[Zack Kneisley]

Mike does have a point here, I am a subscriber of the list, and I have
pondered this as well, I have seen direct promotion and links in plenty of
signatures, I don't think the link to their site is bad, you can determine
the site of most posters by their address, some you can't because they use a
gmail address like mine to keep my own desktop free of the amount of mail
that passes through this list daily, plus I like the by-thread organization
it presents.

I don't feel that ANY promotion of products or services in a signature of
this particular list should be allowed unless you pay for it.
I do however think that a link to the mailers website would not offend the
paying vendors, just not direct marketing of their products in their
signature or in their posts. This would allow a list subscriber to contact
another subscriber of the list without having to mail them back to their
*maybe* list only address.

Just my 2 cents.

I'm not a paying vendor either, I just think that that makes sense.

Zack


On 5/17/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wow, tough crowd.  Do I have to remove my company's name and link from my
sig?


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote
your
> products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services,
nothing
> wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in
> paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA,
then
> stop acting like one.
>
> Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well
> and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
> competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.
>
> Apology not accepted.
>
>
>
> Frank Muto
> President
> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
> Postini Partner Reseller
> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>
> ISPCON Spring 2007
> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
> LaunchPad Pavilion J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
>> If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Dee
>>
>>
>> Alaska Wireless Systems
>> 1(907)240-2183 Cell
>> 1(907)349-2226 Fax
>> 1(907)349-4308 Office
>> www.akwireless.net
>> Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
>> Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
>> Force10 Networks Reseller
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Frank Muto
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: WISPA General List
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>>
>>
>>> As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I
take
>>> offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I
looked
>>> on
>>> the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
>>> logo
>>> displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Muto
>>> President
>>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
>>> Postini Partner Reseller
>>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>>
>>> ISPCON Spring 2007
>>> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
>>> LaunchPad Pavilion J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi Folks,
>>> >
>>> > As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out
of
>>> > dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
>>> > selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It
varies
>>> > on
>>> > which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
>>> >
>>> > We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have
them,
>>> > so
>>> > it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
>>> > experienced
>>>
>>> > walk with a limp)
>>> >
>>> > We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail
for
>>> > WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > -Dee
>>> >
>>> > Alaska Wireless Systems
>>> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
>>> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
>>> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
>>> > www.akwireless.net
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

[Zack Kneisley]

If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and "one
test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds
of 15 Mbps" Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these
stories, so take it with a grain of salt.


On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have been against BPL due to RF pollution.  That said, a technical
evolution could resolve some of those issues.

I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering
if anyone here has worked with them.  Does anyone else have a internal BPL
system (meaning not what the power company would use) that is of a higher
class than what you'd get at Best Buy?

I saw that some of that consumer gear would do 85 megs (really about
25).  That article said that the Moto gear does 8 - 12 megs, observed peak
of 25.  Is that sort of speed par for the course?  Is that per circuit or
gross?  8 megs to a whole building isn't much, though 8 megs to each is
attractive.


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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

[Zack Kneisley]

http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have
personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and
anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that
gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly
report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server
services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam
rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even
used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't
match, quite a few other things. The "spam accepted" tells what got
determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and
subsequently, placed in the users "Junk-Mail" folder available via web mail
or IMAP.

It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are
spam and about 1 false positive a month.
I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room
rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no
control.

Zack

On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced
walk with a limp)

We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
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- Original Message -
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase
directly
> from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
> equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it
any
> longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I
guess
> now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
> policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.
>
> JohnnyO
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
> > Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
> > deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they
will
>
> > not support a device that they did not sell directly.
> >
> > Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have
to
> > agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list
if I
> > find any better answer.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >
> >
> >>I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
> >>Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow
the
> >>new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them,
I
> >>did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
> >>hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
> >>Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
> >>owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able
to
> >>tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
> >>support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not
buy
> >>support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit
can
> >>be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not
support
>
> >>it with new spam and virus signature updates.
> >>
> >> There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
> >> experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that
was
> >> being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for
transferring
>
> >> used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
> >> Scriv
> >>
> >>
> >> Ross Cornett wrote:
> >>
> >>> understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
> >>> couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
> >>> Postini.
> >>>
> >>> thanks.
> >>> - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >>>
> >>>
>  Ross Cornett wrot

Re: [WISPA] ping

[Zack Kneisley]

Pong?

On 5/7/07, Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




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Re: [WISPA] commercial router

[Zack Kneisley]

Trust Eli

http://www.trusteli.com/

They will send you a evaluation box pretty cheap, You maight have to go
through D&H or another big distributor though, can't remember. I've put it
on the back burner, but from what the sales rep showed me and told me it
would be my first choice for content filtering.

Zack


On 5/7/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Need content filtering.

Marlon
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[WISPA] PortaOne?

[Zack Kneisley]

Anyone have an opinion on this companies offerings? They now
apparently work seamlessly with Mikrotik.

Z
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Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS

[Zack Kneisley]

Unfortunately, I can't make it to Orlando this year, I've investigated
a little on the funds but the last round, by the time I thought I had
at least the information to push forward,the funds were dried up. are
their and online guides (besides .gov) that has advice or information
on this subject for smaller companies.

Zack

On 5/4/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

A few people have. It has been discussed at ISPCON during the ISP-CEO
Meetings.
One owner explained the whole process one night.
You would be surprised what you can learn at just one Industry Trade Show.

Regards,

Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc.

ISPCON in Orlando May 23-25, 2007 -
Remember to let me know when you are hitting Orlando, so you can
maximize your networking opportunities with your peers.


Zack Kneisley wrote:

> If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them!
>
> Zack Kneisley
> 740-432-3130

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Re: [WISPA] Google and 700Mhz

[Zack Kneisley]

Unless I am completely ignorant to what I read, (I was wrong once
before) it read to me that Google wants to buy a license to 700Mhz
spectrum nationwide. How is this different than a single entity in my
area that has an exclusive right to the particular spectrum?

Z

On 5/4/07, Dawn DiPietro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

All,

Interesting article on Google and the 700Mhz spectrum. I thought it
might be of some interest to the list. It kind of sounds like the
coalition that Google belongs to is rooting for small rural providers
but I am not sure what their idea of small providers means.

Page 1 of the article;
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284.htm

Page 2;
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284_page_2.htm

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS

[Zack Kneisley]

If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them!

Zack Kneisley
740-432-3130

On 5/4/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

So basically someone saw that they were spending too much money on this and
decided to fine tune the funding.


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- Original Message -
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS


> http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22967.html
>
> A new bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives aims to
> "improve and re-focus an important broadband loan program to ensure that
> rural, unserved areas are properly targeted for investment in and
> development of this critical infrastructure."
> If passed, such reform could benefit incumbent telcos, competitive
> telephone companies and cable companies alike. Crafted by Reps. Stephanie
> Herseth Sandlin (D-SD) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), and co-sponsored by Earl
> Pomeroy (D-ND), John Salazar (D-CO) and Adrian Smith (R-Neb), the
> bi-partisan "Rural Utility Service Bill" (H.R. 2035) promotes increased
> access to high-speed broadband Internet service in rural America. The bill
> would improve the Rural Utility Service Broadband Loan Program that
> provides federal loans to areas of rural America that don't have service;
> that law, however, has a loophole that allows nonrural areas and areas
> that already have broadband services to apply for these loans, thus
> depleting the cash set aside for the real rural America.
> --
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Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick

[Zack Kneisley]

Trying to tell me I have half a head of grey and I still have to wait
another 22 years before my life begins... sheesh

My b-day is on the 17th

Z

On 5/4/07, David Weddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my "old" boss Rick Harnish!!

Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!!

Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] need service in Bradenton, Fl

[Zack Kneisley]

Build me a 1200 ft tower and I will peer with anyone that can see me!  :-)

On 4/27/07, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Travis, and all.

If this were in MY area YOU could service that customer!  How cool is that.

I'm tellin ya, if you want a cell phone type value (or something at least
better than the average isp) we have to find a way to build national
coverage.  And that means cooperation with other wisps.
marlon

- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] need service in Bradenton, Fl


> Contact me offlist. -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.

[Zack Kneisley]

If not it would void our need for compliance when it passes. In other
words, it's sure worth a shot.


On 5/2/07, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

George Rogato wrote:
> Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill.
>
Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in time for
the deadline?

-Matt

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Re: NOW: CALEA Waiver Request WAS: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.

[Zack Kneisley]

I'll contact my Rep also, as well as get our mayor and mayors of my
other areas to call or write him as well to endorse this.

On 5/2/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Blair,

That is excellent news.

Do you have any kind of a reference number for this waiver request so I
can ask my Representative to endorse and/or support this activity?

Thanks,
 jack


Blair Davis wrote:
> FYI
>
> Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband
> company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep
> Fred Upton (R-MI)
>
> Thought some would like to know.
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values.

[Zack Kneisley]

Mark

I would have to say the consensus (and common-sense) way is that
someone is us (the WISPS that buy FCC certified devices). If a product
does not perform as well as another and they have both been put to
adhere to the same guidelines as mandated by the FCC, does not then
the burden fall to the manufacturers to manufacture products that work
well by having an increased sensitivity and adjacent channel
rejection? Poor quality - low sales -  | Excellent quality - high
sales.

If you want a "Consumers Reports" magazine on wireless equipment -
well, that might be a good business to get into.  ..hmm


On 4/30/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't think Mark is asking the FCC to specify these quality levels, just
stating that someone needs to.


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- Original Message -
From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] was School WiFi , about technical values.


> Mark,
>
> I'm going to reply but this will be my last reply on this subject. I don't
> want to exceed my "5 posts per day" limit any more than necessary. :)
>
> Yes, I understand about receiver selectivity. I've also taught over 2000
> WISP personnel about it since 2001. I also wrote a (vendor-neutral) book
> about proper broadband wireless network design and deployment. The book
> has a heavy emphasis on explaining how wireless works. One entire chapter
> is devoted to evaluating and selecting wireless equipment.

<\snip crap>
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Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.

[Zack Kneisley]

Finally, a 1 Paragraph sentence that sums it all up.

Zack

On 5/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster.  Whining to us
feels good but it fixes nothing.  And, it's preaching to the choir.  Most of
us here AGREE with your point, however, the fact remains that we have to do
certain things so that's where the effort is going.  The time for changing
minds is long past.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops

[Zack Kneisley]

These guys know their stuff when it comes to FSO

http://www.cablefreesolutions.com/products_serviceprovider.htm

Zack
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Re: [WISPA] Pig tails

[Zack Kneisley]

I spoke with roger about his pigtails before, he buys them from a
distributor just like anyone else, although, it it always nice to talk
to him, he has is own unique prospective, and reasonable parts+ship.



On 5/1/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Agreed


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- Original Message -
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pig tails


> Roger Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Erik Jansson wrote:
>> I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and
>> mmcx to N female bulkhead.  Who sells the best?  I recall reading a
>> post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any
>> experiences would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Erik
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Re: [WISPA] Law Brief on CALEA

[Zack Kneisley]

This report is almost a year old.. anything more recent?

On 4/26/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.crblaw.com/news/201369_1kc-5-18-06.pdf
(forwarded from Bearhill)

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Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering

[Zack Kneisley]

On 4/26/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My personal concern would be turning over my IP block to my competition.
They would have to have enough control to allow BGP routes from their
upstream. Technically they could misconfigure a router accidentally and
take your entire network down. :(


That is what BGP filtering and prefixes are about. Either you peer
correctly or incorrectly and don't peer. No turning over blocks
happen.



Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:
> If they're network peering, they'd be connecting each other's networks
> together to exchange local traffic that way.  They could also have an
> alliance where if someone's Internet feeds go out, they use another
> WISP's Internet feed until restoration.
>


This is great and what a reliable network is made of.
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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

[Zack Kneisley]

So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  I like
them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that it can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves just keep
bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Jim Stout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


> Thanks to all for the feedback!
>
> I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now "looking"
> over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't associated,
> so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the maximum
> transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  Once it
> associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
> dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 dBm.  I
> also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The customer
> hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful since 9:00
> last night.
>
> Marlon,
>
> The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of the CPQ
> family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
> install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
> "multipath" phenomenon?
>
> Thanks, Jim
>
> Jim Stout
> LTO Communications, LLC
> 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
> Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
> (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
> (816) 497-0033 - Pager
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path
>
>
>> Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.
>>
>> Your signal level is actually much too high.
>>
>> Try two things to test my theory.
>>
>> Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal off and
>> get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
>> reasonable.
>>
>> Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the cpe
>> hpol.
>>
>> Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe I know
>> of)
>>
>> How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening with SB
>> ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will just stop
>> talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap until the
>> *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the cpe is
>> being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the cpe.  No
>> cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
>> networks with different towns, different upstreams, different antennas,
>> different cpe etc.
>>
>> The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and inscape data
>> cpe radios.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jim Stout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path
>>
>>
>> I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.
>>
>> I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
>> tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
>> strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when the
>> radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the radio
>> intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, simply
>> fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a POR.
>> I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
>> firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
>> recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between this
>> client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power line in
>> the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's almost
>> like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.
>>
>> Thanks, Jim
>>
>> Jim Stout
>> LTO Communications, LLC
>> 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
>> Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
>> (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
>> (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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