Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

2013-04-06 Thread eje
Tycon power have 24v to 48v dc to dc poe converters as well power converters 
that would do the trick for you. 


/Eje

Sent from Samsung tablet

 Original message 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: 04/06/2013  11:30  (GMT-06:00)
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Rocket Titanium

That's my issue.  DC sites are all 24v.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 6, 2013 12:11 PM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it
wrote:

 Hi Josh

 I did not notice the voltage change, but it looks like more a business
 strategy (their switch does 24V and 48V) to lockout other vendors than a
 real technical need

 Should I reimplement again a new battery system at 48V for the site?
 Hum

 Thank you


  Ya...better.  Different voltage though.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Apr 6, 2013 11:04 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
 paolo.difrance...@level7.it 
 mailto:paolo.difrancesco@**level7.itpaolo.difrance...@level7.it
 wrote:

 Hi all

 I was wondering if the Rockets-Titanium are stable, or if somebody is
 using them with success.
 Not sure if they perform better than the plastic ubiquiti

 Still missing the multiple SSID and IPv6 support, who knows if
 Ubiquiti
 will implement that sooner or later...

 Let me know your feedback and if the extra cost worths the
 improvements :)

 Thank you

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Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for
uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to
cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would
just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen don't
offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will
have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. 

Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the ship
and not somewhere else. 
If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to
check with them what it might be. Don’t forget to shut down your own AP
while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make
sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

Plug the damn hole! - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :)
Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it?
http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
 We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a
 few days for repairs.

 http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth

 Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped
 working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion
 software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer
 with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20
 to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second
 location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't
 seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of
 power output would cause it to come in at about -50.

 Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've
 never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first
 drilling ship to visit our area.


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Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The metal cap adds a whooping 1.2dB really not worth bothering with IMO.
Only reason they provide it is because people where used to the Andrew dish
that basically requires it the Andrew dishs suffers greatly without the
metal cap. 

For some time now the bigger Pac (Laird) grids all are shipping with a much
more heavy duty L bracket then the old ones. 
I had a FCC certification lab test out one of the 24dB's about 2 years back
and according to them the unit did measure in very close to 24dB.

The linked feedhorn and grid is a Pac 5GHz grid so if used on 2.4GHz I'm
amazed that you get the gain out of the solution consider the feed is NOT
designed for 2.4GHz.  

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..

Oh I do not do ANY 2.4 ghz links other then APs for houses or small
groups of houses (IE Picos now). (ok I have 3 users left on 2.4) The
Pacs with the cheap metal clip on tip are CRAP. I can not express the
horribleness of those enough. The ones like I linked, are great, and
are on par with 2ft solid dish's (obviously not the same gain, but
they do not bounce in the wind or act funny or lose the tip and really
start going wonky) and the links stay with in 2db as the wind blows.
The others drop 10db or more in mild wind. I have been replacing the
feeds with the ones from that link and it makes all the difference.
The mount from the old one is the standard Pac mount that they use on
pretty much everything. This one, is the same but made of thicker
metal. Both work well, and the units are better with the new feeds.
Add a bullet and its a very nice link that works great. I have about a
dozen of the old ones left that will be replaced with NanoBridges as I
move everything over to AirMax.  Yup wasted time/money on the cheap
grid, now buying the better one.


On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
 Those are 5 gig.  I decided NOT to go the cheap route on any 5 gig systems
 out here.

 I'm looking for 2.4 gig grids that are of good/great quality.

 I've been paying around $100 for a 24dB grid and it doesn't bother me a
 bit.

 Here's a tip for you guys that go dirt cheap on everything and then
complain
 about the time you spend.

 My network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut.  We have
over
 600 wireless subs and a couple of hundred other customers.  I take care of
 it all with the equivalent of 2.5 people!

 Don't go too cheap.  It'll cost you time and reputation in the end.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529

 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the
 cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously
 poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same
 feeds as the linked one.

 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
 I've always hated the Pac grids.

 They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB
 LESS
 rssi than others I've used.

 I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this
 week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a
comparable
 product?

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big
 links. I use the Pac grids.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:
 Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if
 anything, they work about the same in the field on receive.

 Regards
 Michael Baird
 An NS2 is $80 list.

 I think most will agree it is superior, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:

 $100

 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that
 gain
 (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even
 less.
 Why buy old/used Wifi?
 Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used.

 Good luck with liquidating

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Eje Gustafsson
All, instead of just bitching here why not go to Googles product ideas and
submit a idea to remove the background or at least give an option to remove
it. Or vote on some of the hundreds of ideas that suggested the very same.
http://productideas.appspot.com/#e=127061

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

I do the same thing here as well.  Add Google as the search and delete Bing
from the list.  Started out as a Just Because We Hate Microsoft but now
that the Bing reviews are out, looks like the best choice anyhow.

Bob-

How's come Bing Crosby hasn't come back from the dead to sue Microsoft for
use of his name?  Hey, if Spike Lee can sue the Spike cable channel, Bing
can sue Bing  It's not just a search engine, it's a search
engine trying to profit from the good name a reputation of an early to mid
20th century crooner.

 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote:
 Probably talking about the built in one with FF.

Exactly.

Or, in Google Chrome, the address bar doubles as a search box - which
is one less thing for customers to mess up.

Heck, Internet Explorer 7 and 8 come with one built-in, and the first
thing I always do when working on a customer's computer is switch it
from Live/Bing to Google, unless they specifically ask otherwise.

(I've been tempted to point those search boxes to our in-house Google
referral link, so we get a percentage of any ad revenue, but that's
kinda shady and probably against Google's TOS anyway.)

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-07 Thread Eje Gustafsson
S corp here as well. Why. Well because our CPA and our financial advisor
deemed due to our nature and size of our business it was considerably more
beneficial for us to be a S corp then being an LLC or C corp. It was a hard
draw between S corp or C corp but due to some of the paperwork etc for C
corp the CPA recommended S corp and the financial advisor was ok with C but
would have preferred to see C corp status. Both agreed that for us and in
the state of Kansas it was in our best interest to be a Corporation (S or C
really didn't matter they both had their advantages and disadvantages)
instead of LLC or partnership. 

Neither me nor anyone else on this list can tell what you should be so as
Travis say you really need to check with your accountant. Lot is going to
depend on many different things, state regulations, state taxations,
structure, business type, revenue, profit and ownership structure. The more
your accountant/CPA/financial advisor knows about your business the better
they will be able to recommend for you and what perks/disadvantages there is
to each option. 

When selecting a accountant/CPA/financial advisor it's important you select
someone that knows the regulations and registration requirements for YOUR
state. Each CPA/financial advisor is generally only allowed to provide
service in a specific set of states for which they have passed testing
requirements (very much like a lawyer, just because you're a lawyer doesn't
mean you're allowed to practice in any and all states)

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It 
provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also 
allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a 
sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.).

Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only 
ones that can give you exact information.

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:
 Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but
 I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm
 curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as
 a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering
 switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem
 worth all the hassle.
 Thanks!

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
wrote:
   
 I'm with Travis on this one.  Sometimes we take the entire hit at once,
 other times we spread it out.  It kind of depends on what we need for
 deductions and what the equipment is.

 Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is
really
 good.  The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good
one.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes


 
 Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to
 what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look
 at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now
 than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
   
 This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of
our
 equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax
 breaks you need now vs. later.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:
 
 Everyone's favorite subject :)

 I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to
 know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you
 expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP 
 CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc.
 With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much
 sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any
 WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason?

 Thanks in advance! -RickG





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Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...

2010-05-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
They are nice sure, but consider how expensive the connectors are I go with
regular connector. Even if that means I have to do two crimps and have to
mess with the center pin. Not crimped a cable in the field for years thanks
to PoE occasionally need a jumper and mostly just use premade jumpers and in
the rare instances build a custom length. Don't even have connectors or coax
spools in the install van any longer. But have a variety of different length
of coax cables. 

The stripper tool is great. Crimper you can use just about any crimpers and
the deburring tool I got one don't use it, don't need it for center pins you
crimp. Or just use a $5 file. 

Tessco got all the brand parts. We got the crimp handles and dies if you
want to save some. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...

I am looking for the following:
EZ-400-NMH-D Connector
CCT-01 Tool (cutter)
ST-400EZ tool (cable Prep tool)
DBT-U (deburr tool)
HX4 Tool (crimp tool)

Separately or in a kit...

Does anyone have a favorite Vendor? I saw one vendor selling a kit for
LMR400/600 with all of the above parts. They wanted over $1000 for it!

The 'EZ-Crimp connectors look like the way to go, but other advice is
appreciated.

ryan




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[WISPA] Small ISP Wins US $2.6Million in Spam Case

2010-05-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
--Small ISP Wins US $2.6 Million in Spam Case (May 6  7, 2010) A US
District Court in California has awarded Asis Internet Services nearly US
$2.6 million for spam messages sent over the Internet service provider's
(ISP) network between November 2006 and May 2008.  The ISP has approximately
1,500 customers; the spam caused Asis to lose business and incur costs
associated with fixing the problem.  The judge awarded Asis US $865,000, but
tripled the damages because of aggravated circumstances.  The defendants,
the principals of a business called Find a Quote, were found to have
violated 2003's CAN-SPAM Act.

http://www.scmagazineus.com/california-isp-wins-26m-judgment-against-spammer
s/article/169696/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/06/spam_judgment/

 




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Re: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products

2010-04-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Unless your set on a Linux platform smartermail is a excellent platform,
fairly affordable and very good functionalities and features as close to
enterprise type software without being considered enterprise. 
If you're looking for Linux only solution then qmail-toaster is an excellent
Opensource platform with excellent functions and capabilities, easy to
install and maintain. Qmail-toaster is what we tend to install on our Linux
virtual servers for our clients. 

/ Eje
Follow us on http://www.twitter.com/wisprouter  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products

Hi All,

I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is
atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be
similar).

They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me
your success/horror stories with in-house products.

At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house
looks the only solution.

Suggestions are very welcome ;)


-- 


Ing. Paolo Di Francesco

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Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo)
Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501
Fax: +39-091-6406200

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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

2010-04-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtPvv4IS7HY

Some people have too much time on their hands. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Barnes
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

Guys and Gals it's been a long week and I need a good laugh.

Anyone got a Friday funny worth its weight?

Steve




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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

2010-04-16 Thread eje
Alright what do you call it?

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:45:08 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies

Hey wait no one asked me about my joke :(

On 4/16/10, Francois D. Menard fmen...@xittel.net wrote:
 Mr. Tattam down under would not be happy.

 This software saved our rear-ends 15 years ago.  We should still honor this
 guy.

 Regards,

 F.

 On 2010-04-16, at 9:24 PM, John Scrivner wrote:

 And don't forget Trumpet Winsock!

 ryan


 Wash your mouth out with soap when you say that! It is a dirty word! How
 about those AT modem commands too!
 Hahaha!
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Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail
for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends
and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going
to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as
never to share contact information such as address and phone number. 
He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a
software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a
limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the
addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not
have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far
only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as
adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found
another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). 

So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the
software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies
things on it for her. 

We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to
great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and
wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited
access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com
Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

Hi All,

Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden from having email 
addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from having myspace, 
facebook etc. sites.

If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on.

If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can 
delete things from.

I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might 
bite them in the butt later.  The days of people eventually forgetting the 
stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.

Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used a hotmail email 
address to get it.  He had permission to use neither of them.  I finally 
found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been 
saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got

the password out of him and when I had time to check on it.  (I didn't know 
that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and

work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)

So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted

information.  I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had 
no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden 
from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address.

They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue.  However 
they flatly refused to provide me with any information!  They had NO 
proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify that the child was over

18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account 
information!  go get it from your teen is basically what I was told.

WTF is this???  Absolutly amazing.

So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these 
days?

thanks
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread eje
I would have to agree. Have had routers doing lot of work that had uptime over 
a year (one that almost hit 500 days but lightning got the better of one 
ethernet port). The ones I seen problems it tend to be bad PC hardware or lack 
of memory. One router I saw would experience issues where vlans would die and 
ip's assigned to the vlan interfaces would go invalid. Turned out the unit had 
to little ram for what was going on on it (vlans, dns proxy, queues, lot of 
firewall rules, layer 7 firewall rules, dhcp servers and vpn server) installed 
more ram and unit ran flawless since (had 256MB to start with, 512MB improved 
but would occasionally still have issues and need reboot, 1GB and no issues 
after running for months). 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:12:38 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

Hi,

I would like to be the first to say that the article about Skybeam seems 
a little over dramatic. The quote that their Mikrotik routers had to be 
rebooted every few days would indicate to me that they had hardware 
problems, not software (Mikrotik) problems.

I have Mikrotik routers on my network that have been up over a full year 
without a single reboot or issue. The only reason it's only a year is 
due to software upgrades. With over 200 Mikrotik routers on my network 
(several moving over 100Mbps of traffic and 10,000pps daily and one 
moving over 400Mbps and 100,000pps), I can tell you Mikrotik is one of 
the most solid, reliable packages available.

Yes, you are locked into their interface and CLI. Yes, it does have some 
bugs and issues at times, but overall the best routing package I have seen.

Travis
Microserv

Glenn Kelley wrote:
 Josh

 Largest difference I have seen is in regards to load (and cost)
 Freeware community editions ... well  cost is pretty low - especially  
 if you have vmware already running, xen running - or a good pc or  
 server around.
 that being said

 Mikrotik from experience can choke on DDOS attacks above 100K pps on a  
 dual xeon - with vYatta you don't see much of a load.

 A good study on this is with SkyBeam:  
 http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/casestudies/Vyatta_Skybeamcase.pdf

 might be worth asking them directly


 I'm not far from you if you want an in person overview :-)  - thinking  
 of hamfest

 I'm out in Court House - about an hour and 1/2







 On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

   
 So who has used Vyatta and Mikrotik?  Differences?

 On 4/3/10, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
 
 vyatta overview:  http://www.vyatta.com/products/index.php

 PFSense overview:  http://www.pfsense.org


 On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote:

   
 I love Vyatta.  I love PFSense...  I love a bunch of other
 applications that can do this as well...  BUT it might be worth  
 asking
 what the job that you want the router to perform.

 While some may bash vYatta -

 Keep in mind - when the reload happened - they specifically did that
 for their own Support Contracts ... folks that paid them - but yes  
 - a
 major release required a reload.
 I can tell horror stories about having to do this w/ Cisco Vax
 7200's   2650's and such as well.   IOS updates do not always go as
 well as they advertise...

 Why I do like vYatta is the simple fact they provide both the CLI  
 and
 GUI - (command line interface and graphical user interface)...

 Here are a few reasons why folks in this board should consider  
 vYatta
 community edition: (free)

 1.  Load Balancing
 2.  BGP (Full )
 3.  vLAN - do vlans out to the radios
 4.  PPPOE - if you wanted to use it
 5.  Parental Controls
 6.  Speed Control / Traffic Shaping -   You can do this right on  
 your
 router.
 7.  SQUID -  cache things vs hitting the web all the time for the  
 same
 content  (like windows updates, youtubes, etc )


 I resell vYatta paid version for those interested - but for most the
 community center is just fine.  The paid edition will give you all  
 of
 the aforementioned with the ability to obtain paid support - and  
 this
 is based upon the following:

 1.  what type of contract you have purchased
 2.  severity of the request - (ie everything down vs just a feature
 request)




 that being said -  WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO ?

 If you have a simple setup - and just need full BGP - you might also
 want to check out another Open Source Project called PFSense.

 PFSense is full FreeBSD - runs on most any x86 hardware.
 I can help any of you with this as well.   The PFSense book is a  
 great
 place to start - and is written for someone who has never done
 routing...

 one last thing about pfsense...  Its a full bsd license - you can  
 even
 rebrand it.

 I have a bunch of PF systems out in the field as CPE for firewalling
 and such - all running under our logo and skin when a client logs  
 in.
 a simple 1U rack mount makes that an awesome option

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread eje
Had very good luck with Trendnet's web managed rack mount switches (supports 
vlan) both gige and 100mbit ones. Cost less then $200. Have both 52 ports, and 
26 port units with gige up link ports. 
One some of the 5 and 8 port switches seen some 100FD issues with long ethernet 
runs, RB450/RB450G works great as 5 managed port switches and very affordable. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 02:37:33 
To: Tom Sharplestsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

I agree

all HP here

have a great night - and holiday weekend.


On Apr 3, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Tom Sharples wrote:

 We run HP Procurve switches here exclusively. Anything else seems  
 like junk
 by comparison :-)

 Let's talk sometime next week.

 Thanks!

 Tom S.


 Quick ?   do you have a good switch that supports vlanning ?

 And yes - PF I think is ruled out (although vs 2 might work)

 Feel free to chat me up off list -  I have a feeling we might be able
 to help each other out...
 I have a local government client asking some video questions and
 noticed the solutions you offer :-)






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Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread eje
Add a few more pipes of different lengths and sizes and you will get a nice 
wind organ ;) instead of a wind chime :) 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:49:26 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

I find the whole thing very interesting at least :)

On 4/3/10, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
 It took a few minutes to get my recording stuff together.  I was going to
 make a digital recording of the sound to embed here; the wind is up.  Guess
 what?  No sound!  The wind is NOW coming from the SE (it's warming up!) and
 straight into the pvc pipe.  If it is the pipe, then it must take a cross
 wind to generate the tone.



 I hadn't thought about the bottom of the antenna.  The sleeve which covers
 the N connector IS over an inch in diameter.  I guess the next trip up the
 tower will include jamming some plumbers putty into all open pipes! LOL



 I am glad to be able to provide a little entertainment this Saturday
 morning.



 Mike



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of AJ
 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:23 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower



 Try a second member in the center to properly brace it completely

 vertically, wrap all of the pot metal joints with eletrical tape and hope it

 disappears LOL...



 Also look at the bottom of the antenna mount where the coax comes out - this

 is roughly 3 times the size of the coax cable that is bouncing around

 there..



 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:



 Wind through that short piece of pvc was my first suspect.  But, Bernouli

 effect asside, wouldn't a single pan flute create a single tone?  There

 are 4 distinct tones!  It really does play this eerie melody.



 Mike



 -Original Message-

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of Brian Webster

 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 10:11 AM

 To: 'WISPA General List'

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower



 When I ran a tower construction company, the crews used to tape over the

 ends of pipes when they were on top of the truck going to a job site. They

 said the noise from the wind blowing through them would drive them crazy

 while going down the road...







 Brian





 -Original Message-

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of Mike

 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:52 AM

 To: 'WISPA General List'

 Subject: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower



 A while back, the amateur community talked me into putting a ham antenna
 on

 my highest tower.  It is a dual band 2 meter 70 cm DC grounded unit (as
 per

 my specs).  I built a mount which offsets the stick a couple feet from the

 tower.  A piece of 1 inch PVC through which I passed a piece of poly rope

 is

 attached with stainless hose clamps near the top of the stick to lasso the

 17 foot stick to keep it from swaying.







 A couple times this winter when I was outside, I heard this eerie melodic
 4

 part tone.  It sounded like someone blowing across Pan flutes.  Now that

 spring has sprung, every time the wind blows, there is this tune again.

 While I questioned my sanity this winter, I do think it is coming from the

 amateur antenna.







 Although the sound is somewhat melodic and not objectionable, I fear this

 summer with windows open in the house, it will keep me up at night.  I
 have

 this fear it will be like when I first put that tower up and put a 10 foot

 by 20 foot flag at the top to raise awareness in the community.  It
 snapped

 so loud it would wake you from a sound sleep.  One of my best nights was

 when that flag finally came down.







 Since everything was done per my requests, and I want to maintain my stead

 with the amateur community, how does one keep that stick from making those

 noises?  I am hoping someone here has encountered something similar and
 has

 a resolve.







 Regards,







 Mike










 

 

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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread Eje Gustafsson
PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process and
possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net
processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the
form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal itself
is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are not
saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify that
you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the
cards. 
If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill
out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the
server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with a
need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the
card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are allowed
to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate
segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against any
outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your
customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless
access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow
specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any
communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever
your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured. 
If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end secure
connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway
processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured by
either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured
format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured
(no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit
card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis). 

You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers that
process and store credit cards is secured.

Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to
handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if
any kind of breach would happen. 

The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific
requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data and
process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both
physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the
machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the
machine. 

Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers are
safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards on
scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card
info to the people that have to have access to it. 

There are different levels and types of PCI compliance depends on how you
process credit cards. Worst case scenario is if you have a regular credit
card terminal or process credit cards across the network on a e-commerce
type software (be it home written or professionally developed) and even
worse if you store credit card details. 
Once you start filling out the questioner things will more than likely
become a bit more clearer for you. 
If you store and process credit cards on computer than you need to as well
have a company that is doing a PCI scan of your server to ensure hacker
proof status. It will look for port vulnerabilities and web application
security issues. 

https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/saq/index.shtml

For most people a self assessment is enough (except for server scanning
where an approved company needs to be used). If your company process a LOT
of credit cards per year no external auditor needs to be hired (not even my
company reaches the level where an external auditor is required but we have
to file twice annually because of our volume while most WISPs I would dare
to say would only be a level 4 which is the lowest level and would only need
to file once a year). 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

Email from my brother:

Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become
pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have
a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for
our routers.
http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta
llation.html

He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts?




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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread Eje Gustafsson
True on this but still since I assume it still uses your merchant account
you still fall under the PCI regulations BUT the trusted merchant would
provide all PCI compliance documentation for you in this case and only thing
you have to worry about is whom is provided remote login access to this
merchant and what information they have access to and ensure firewall and
antivirus protection on the machines that are used to login to said
merchants website (if you have access to anything credit card related there)
to avoid keyloggers that might steal login information and then use this
information to login and steal credit card details or create fraudulent
charges or reversals. 

No matter how it's done if you business have a merchant account PCI
compliance comes back to you to ensure end to end and any and all
interactions where access to credit cards processing or credit card numbers
can be done. 
Of course lot easier when nothing is on any of your own systems like in your
case and if all you can access through the hosted service web pages is
statements and reports even less you need to worry about but still might
have to file (unless they file for you).

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance


All the better to have a completely hosted service with a trusted merchant.
We have no CCRD information or even a card 
reader. We take no CCRD payments over the phone, by email, postal mail or
store CCRD information for recurring invoices. All 
of our invoices are sent via email with an online payment URL to make CCRD
payments or direct payments from their bank 
account or mailed in checks. Nonetheless, PCI worries are not on our watch.


Frank Muto



- Original Message - 
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance


 PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process
and
 possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net
 processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the
 form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal
itself
 is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are
not
 saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify
that
 you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the
 cards.
 If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill
 out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the
 server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with
a
 need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the
 card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are
allowed
 to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate
 segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against
any
 outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your
 customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless
 access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow
 specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any
 communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever
 your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured.
 If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end
secure
 connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway
 processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured
by
 either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured
 format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured
 (no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit
 card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis).

 You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers
that
 process and store credit cards is secured.

 Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to
 handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if
 any kind of breach would happen.

 The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific
 requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data
and
 process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both
 physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the
 machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the
 machine.

 Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers
are
 safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards
on
 scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card
 info to the people that have to have access

Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Any firewall configuration that locks down all unnecessary ports and service
especially those that is a major threat and any ports that are open has to
have secure software with no remote exploits known. Web applications are
extensively tested to ensure that no sql injection, cross site scripting and
other remote exploits can be done as well prohibits/limit data enclosure of
any type. Say if you are running with a sql database any error messages
should NEVER disclose anything database releated not even so much as
possibly hinting what type of database or sql query that might been
executed. Things that does not prohibit PCI compliance but are flagged as
possible PCI compliance issues are silly things like robots.txt files
(could provide information disclosure on where administration pages etc are
located). If a web page that looks like it handles logins can be access
without SSL cert it will be flagged and could possible give you a PCI
compliance failure. 

Most of the things to become PCI compliant involves securing servers, access
to servers and whom can access the data on the servers. Ensure servers and
web apps are patched and secure, that minimal data information can be
retrieved from server or web application. That you have written policies
stating whom is allowed to do what, not using manufacture default passwords,
each user has their own username/password and finally written policy what to
do in case of a breach. Most of this is all obvious security measures
anyone should do but you have to answer a ton of questions and sign that you
answered them truthfully and an external audit of the servers been done and
passed. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

That would satisfy the firewall.  Though I have to wonder what
firewall config satsifies for compliance.

On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Correct, no storage. I'm thinking an RB750?

 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 No experience just thoughts.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard

 Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the
 first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should
 do.  I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information.
 Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not?

 On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Email from my brother:

 Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become
 pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have
 a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for
 our routers.

http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta
llation.html

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Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

2010-04-02 Thread eje
You don't fit in there is nothing you need to do or provide besides maybe your 
consulting services. It's their merchant service provider and them that needs 
to ensure communication between the terminal and them is encrypted all the way. 
You just provide them with the road and it's their responsibility to use the 
seat belt in the car driving down yours and all other road owner to get from a 
to b. 
The big thing is for them to secure the physical access to the terminals and 
prevent outside internet access to the terminal (would keep them on a separate 
network segment preventing any access to that segment that wasn't a request 
initiated from that network). 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:43:34 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

Attached is the PowerPoint that BK corporate sent him. Interesting. I
have some self interest in this because I have a few fast food
restaurants on my service. I want to know, as their ISP how I fit into
the picture.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Any firewall configuration that locks down all unnecessary ports and service
 especially those that is a major threat and any ports that are open has to
 have secure software with no remote exploits known. Web applications are
 extensively tested to ensure that no sql injection, cross site scripting and
 other remote exploits can be done as well prohibits/limit data enclosure of
 any type. Say if you are running with a sql database any error messages
 should NEVER disclose anything database releated not even so much as
 possibly hinting what type of database or sql query that might been
 executed. Things that does not prohibit PCI compliance but are flagged as
 possible PCI compliance issues are silly things like robots.txt files
 (could provide information disclosure on where administration pages etc are
 located). If a web page that looks like it handles logins can be access
 without SSL cert it will be flagged and could possible give you a PCI
 compliance failure.

 Most of the things to become PCI compliant involves securing servers, access
 to servers and whom can access the data on the servers. Ensure servers and
 web apps are patched and secure, that minimal data information can be
 retrieved from server or web application. That you have written policies
 stating whom is allowed to do what, not using manufacture default passwords,
 each user has their own username/password and finally written policy what to
 do in case of a breach. Most of this is all obvious security measures
 anyone should do but you have to answer a ton of questions and sign that you
 answered them truthfully and an external audit of the servers been done and
 passed.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:00 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance

 That would satisfy the firewall.  Though I have to wonder what
 firewall config satsifies for compliance.

 On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Correct, no storage. I'm thinking an RB750?

 On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 No experience just thoughts.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard

 Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the
 first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should
 do.  I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information.
 Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not?

 On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Email from my brother:

 Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become
 pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have
 a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for
 our routers.

 http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta
 llation.html

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Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

2010-03-31 Thread eje
Bridged or routed ?

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:06:29 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have any ideas?

We have been plagued with an ongoing issue in our Mikrotik backhauls.  
It happens about once a month and only on three radios that feed each 
other, all other sites work fine.  Site A is my head end, it is a 
Mikrotik 433 with an XR5 chip that feeds about five miles to another 
site to Site B.  Site B has the same equipment that goes through a 
managed switch then passes on to Site C about 7 miles further.

What happens is we are suddenly paged that all three are down.  
Sometimes Site A stays up, most times not, we can get into Site A since 
it's the head end and we reboot it, it comes right back up.  Site B and 
C stay down, we have to drive to Site B and reboot it, it comes back up 
but Site C stays down.  We have a remote reboot for it from a redundant 
feed so after rebooting it C reconnects to B and they are all up.  This 
will happen three or four more times in a single day or not at all again 
for a month, it's totally unpredictable. The boards are up but not 
communicating, it also takes down the other 2.4 Mikortik AP's at Site B 
and that has to be rebooted.  We normally run arp -d to clear up any 
residual, it sure appears to be traffic related and we are on a bridged 
not routed network.

The only similarities is it's only this feed, it usually happens in 
spurts of a day or two then stops for a long time, it always happens 
during the working day leading me to believe it's coming from a day 
user.  We run Wireshark but see nothing, we torch the towers and they 
don't show much unusual.  We're thinking it might be a deluge of traffic 
between Site B and C and are thinking of putting a PC at the C tower to 
run diagnostics there.  This is very manpower heavy as we have to send 
people two places and average down time is one hour to do this.  We are 
going to turn our network into a routed network this Summer but that 
doesn't help now.  Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-28 Thread eje
Just a reminder part-15 rules states we have to accept all interference from 
any legal source. We are not allowed to interfere with other services 
(licensed). 
FCC will not do anything to anyone that is running legal equipment. If someone 
running legal equipment interfere with you it's more of a civil matter where 
the best chance is building a case against someone for deliberately trying to 
interfere and preventing you from doing business. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:30:25 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

I dont necessarilly agree with that, and I dont think the FCC would either.
What I do know is they dont want to go out of their way to harrass WISPs and 
take action that will result in Consumers loosing their broadband, 
unnecessarilly. (although they cant say that out loud.)
To get action from the FCC, the complainer needs to provide proof that the 
alledged violator is in fact in violation, and proof that it is causing 
harm.
It cant just be a theory or allegation.
I recognize there are budget cuts, shortage of time, and higher priorities, 
but also I dont believe there are really all that many complaints that 
actually are backed with real proof, and really getting harmed.
The FCC has enough man power to respond to legitimate critical complaints, 
where there is a good reason to investigate.

However, I agree engaging an Attorny and having him send a letter is 
probably a quicker way to get an initial response.

The second both sides start to have to spend money at lawyer rates, people 
get real quickly, on how important it is or isn't to have the illegal radio 
isntalled or removed.

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net
To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!


 This is really the only way to handle this.  Send them a cease and desist
 letter because they are interrupting your service and serve them certified
 mail.  Then go after them with a lawyer.

 Unless the entity that is receiving interference is the FCC or works for
 them, I would say you have no chance whatsoever to get any action from the
 Commission.

 Part 15 is not allowed to interfere and must accept any interference that 
 is
 does receive.  A simple clarification from the FCC.  Don't call
 us.We'll call you

 -B-





 Tom Sharples writes:

 There is another approach to consider - sue them for tortuous 
 interference
 :

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

 which has nothing to do with RF interference, but rather refers to
 intentionally disturbing or destroying your business relationship with 
 your
 customers.

 Tom S.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!


 Only if over the EIRP of 36dB.

 One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel =
 40dB.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

 On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
 Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is
 intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved
 but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong 
 enough
 case.

 if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved.

 leon


 
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Re: [WISPA] test

2010-03-20 Thread eje
Fail 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

2010-03-09 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Been a while since I applied for ours but then it took almost 2 months
before I got the paper license, never so a e-mail notice about the approval
but I had by chance seen the issuance of the license about 3 weeks after I
applied when I logged into the FCC website and saw it been approved about a
week before. 

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?

They took the payment immediately!  Not so sure about the license...

Marco

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
 How long is the FCC taking these days for a new license?


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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors

2010-03-09 Thread Eje Gustafsson
More than likely this is a connector or cabling issue. Since your running up
a tower I assume the cable run is of considerable length. When you start
running 150-200 ft of cabling a single crimp that is not the best can result
in TX drops it could be that only one of the two (usually only 2) teeth on
connector don't have connection with the cable. But it could also be that
your taking RF interference on the cat5 cable itself. 
If you are not using shielded cable and there is a lot of other strong RF
source on the tower this could be a problem as well. Shield Cat5 and proper
grounding on the shield as well ferrit beads on the cat5 cable in and out of
the injector can make a world of difference.

Also noticed that on some switches a slightly bad cable can cause a lot of
trouble or just little trouble. 
Once case we ran across ourselves where we had problem getting a trouble
free connection on a 220ft run with one switch and some of the equipment up
to (had a RB532 there which didn't have problem per say but did experience
TX and RX errors). Ran a new cable still problems with one of the units. The
old switch had gotten Ethernet ports blown by a hit on the tower that killed
almost every electronic on the tower not just for me but for the two others
that had equipment on it, the new switch didn't work well changed to another
switch of similar kind still problems, finally changed to a RB450G and is
now actually running problem free. 

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:44 AM
To: WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions
Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors

I have a tower running 3x120 sectors, MT AP's RB532's. Ethernet down
tower to a switch. I noticed that on one of the RB532's I have 861 TX
errors and 861 TX drops in 5 days of uptime. I replaced this AP 5 days
ago and the previous board showed the same errors. I have moved the
Ethernet cable to a different port on the switch. Is it possible I have
a bad Ethernet cable?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. 

/ Eje
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Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
not say for sure.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even
gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the
datasheet for it eiter. 
The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in
China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new
products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until
earliest end of April. 

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Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Eje,
Got an ETA on Powerbridges?

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. 

/ Eje
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Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
not say for sure.

TIA,
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not sure if I should take offense to this or not. I assume you are aware
what conjecture is and that the statement about unproven proposition is not
directly related to my e-mail? 
Because if it is then you need to withdraw this statement. As you might be
aware WISP-Router whom I represent is one of Ubiquiti's US distributors (one
out of 4). When I say something about Ubiquiti I tend to know what I'm
talking about because I had word from the horses mouth. Find anything that I
said in my message that is unproven based on anything that been posted on
the Ubiquiti forum. You will not be able to find anything. Same info I just
gave is on the forum from either Ben or Mike. 
Also I had a very long working relationship with Ubiquiti (we started out
selling their SR2 and SR5 cards when that was their only product and was
recipients of cards from the first mass production run). 
Ubiquiti say product supposed to be available by end of month that means
most of the time product is available for pickup in China at the beginning
of the following month then you have 1-2 weeks before you have product if
they are shipped airfreight, economically not feasible for most of their
products. PowerBridgeM5 will probably weight wise be around same weight as a
PowerStation so airfreight cost would be about $10-$12 per unit at least. 
So products will be sea freight which means 4-6 weeks after they are ready
from MFG until they are in Distributors hands. First mass production run
have always been very limited qty. Order 1k unit and get maybe 200 to 500.
Order 2k and you might get 500.

Now on the other hand if you just threw out a big word without truly
understand it's meaning well so be it. 

/ Eje Gustafsson
WISP-Router, Inc.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

If you really want to know first hand information on Ubiquiti you should 
join a forum at ubnt.com, most things on here are conjecture.

On 3/4/2010 1:03 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote:
 Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even
 gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the
 datasheet for it eiter.
 The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in
 China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new
 products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until
 earliest end of April.

 / Eje
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Eje,
 Got an ETA on Powerbridges?

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM
 To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
 matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
 CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP.

 / Eje
 WISP-Router, Inc.
 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
 not say for sure.

 TIA,
 Scottie

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

2010-03-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Got about 400 of the 30dB in just today (haven't yet been received into
inventory because we are still checking over to ensure we got everything we
were supposed to - three 40ft containers full of Ubnt gear).

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

The 30db RocketDish5 has been out for a few months, it's in stock most 
everywhere.

Regards
Michael Baird
 How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month?  Unless 
 you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due 
 out mid-month.  We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating 
 design flaw in the assembly their great!

 On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
   
 Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to
 use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused.

 I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if
 anyone is interested.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish

 Andy,

 They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that

 I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

 
 Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number
  
   
 is

 
 in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any
  
   
 information

 
 would help.



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Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win

2010-02-27 Thread eje
Grids are that and therefore only good for CPE installs or sites where no other 
units needs co located. They don't belong on a back haul because it's to 
important. Good panels or solid dishes should be the only antennas used for a 
back haul. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:02:03 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some days the rats win

Grids are RF sieves.  They spew RF to the sides, and the back.  They have a
lot of forward gain, so work well in most cases.  You'd be better off
putting a panel, or better yet a solid dish at that site.  

Start with one.  If it doesn't work a lot better, change the other. You can
also try offsetting one of the antennas from the pole -- in front or behind
the other laterally.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Some days the rats win

On Thursday, I set about to fix a link that's performing badly.It was 
just re-pointed and working really, REALLY bad.   Somewhat intermittently, 
but still REALLY bad.I had already tried new radios at each end.So 
far, no luck.I tried a new pigtail on the low end, as well, still... No 
luck.   I replaced the whole board and radio setup at the low end, no luck.

After much watching what it did and when, I came to the conclusion it was 
self interference.   Not on the same frequency, but I noticed that way up 
the pole was another antenna with the same polarization and it was almost 
exactly the same aim and polarization - I'm thinking I'm overloading the 
radio with signal.   So, I decided that I'd switch from Hor to Ver, on this 
link, figuring it would reduce the self interference.

So, I went to the low end (down in the valley, 4 miles) and installed a new 
antenna, pointed it right, and real quick, switched the cable over to it. 
After a slight re-pointing, it worked fine, slightly better than the old 
antenna, which is an ancient Equinox.Cool.   But no fix for the link's 
issues.   So, I pulled the antenna down, switched it over to Vertical and 
put it back up.It was a clear, 55 degree day, sunshine.Could see 
perfectly.

Drove to the hill site,  put a mount on the pole, and installed another 
antenna, about 3- 4 feet below the original, other side of the telephone 
pole it's on, and in Vertical, as well.

Doug got on one end, me on the other and synchronized over the cell phone, 
we switched the antenna cables over.

No signal.

Now, it was brilliant daylight, crystal clear air, sunshine, and we can 
literally SEE the building and pole from the other end.   I re-aimed my end,

swapped again.   No signal.

Doug changed the dipole at his end, to one I had JUST REMOVED from a working

antenna (took the antenna apart, but the antenna had been working 3 hours 
before).   No signal.

I changed the dipole on my end.No signal.

I changed the whole antenna.   No signal.

Doug changed dipoles yet again to a new one off the shelf.   No signal.

Original antennas are fine ,and the signal is around -64.   I grab another 
grid - one I had JUST REMOVED from service (replaced it with a higher gain 
panel), HAND HOLD it while standing on the ladder and point it to the other 
end.   -89 is the best we can get.   So the other end is the problem, right?

Check the antenna taken off the far end.   Works fine.

Mind you, we're 4 miles apart.   We can see the other end standing on the 
ground.   We can see it in great detail through binoculars. There are no

buildings, trees, bushes, or other obstructions.The land slopes away 
from the hill end, and other end is 16 feet off the ground, angle uptilt is 
about 1 degree.There is NO possible fresnel zone encroachment at either 
end, even if you're standing, holding the antenna at chest height at the 
hillside end.

So, what's wrong?   I don't know, and I can't figure it out.Nobody has 
stuff pointed at the higher end.   The other end is 270 degrees shielded by 
heavy trees, metal roof buildings, hills, etc, and has always showed zilch 
for noise, though the hillside shows some. There's nothing but sky 
behind the hillside site.   Nothing to point to.No reason for anyone to 
build a high gain beam pointing its way, and certainly there's nothing for 
at least 9 miles aside from my own customers that could possibly be pointing

that way.   I have twice checked to make sure both are Vertical.   They are.

Each time, we put the cables back to the original antennas and the link 
comes up.   I moved the low end accidently, and we gained slightly.   But, 
the antennas are obvious visually aimed.   And the replacement on the low 
end is HIGHER than the original.Almost 4 feet higher.The low end 
antenna is now the one I had working in Hor polarization.The upper 
antenna

Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG

2010-02-24 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Those asian registration things are scams nothing else. Over the last 3-4
years I probably received well over a 100 such messages. 
Majority of those in regards to WISP-Router but also on some other domains
that I'm listed as contact for. 
I have yet to see a single one of these claims of registration come through.

For a long time now I just binned those e-mails the first one of course I
responded to but also started investigate and came to the conclusion it was
just a sales scam trying to get me to pay for the domains and registrations
in question (my guess if I had nothing would gotten registered). 
So far so good no wisp-router.ca registered or any other of the domains that
someone supposedly trying to register. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG

I replied about three months ago to this and stated that we held the 
trademark for our company name.  I sent the same email to Qwest who put 
Washington Broadband in their listings as a name, never heard from the 
China group or Qwest again, go figure.

Forbes

On 2/24/2010 8:35 AM, Jack Unger wrote:
 A musician friend of mine had the same thing happen regarding his domain
 about 4 months ago. An email from China said that someone wanted to
 register his domain .cn. I looked into it and then advised him not to
 reply. At that time it looked like some kind of a registration scam from
 the email sender themselves. I'd like to hear what others think.

 jack


 David Hulsebus wrote:

 I got an e-mail from them asking about our domain registration, and
 someone in China wanting to register the portative.com.cn, .net.cn,
 etc.. domains.  They said they will not approve if I reply and didn't
 authorize it.

 Question. This is the first time I've heard of this, is it legit?

 Thanks, Dave Hulsebus





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Re: [WISPA] 900MHZ Farm GOS..Was: That black magic

2010-02-24 Thread eje
One company I talked to that want try to co locate on one of the grain bins we 
are on confirmed their equipment was a slow bandwidth frequency hopper that 
used the entire band. Seemed they had no configuration options to set what 
frequencies used. It didn't provide lot of bandwidth but was a constant steady 
data stream. 

Told them I didn't think that would work on that close proximity unless they 
could avoid using certain frequencies that we used. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:34:01 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHZ Farm GOS..Was:  That black magic

I too would believe the systems are FCC certified.  I have no details other
than to say I avoid 900 MHz like the plague.  

They seem to use the entire band.  They are appearing everywhere in my area.
The repeaters or aggregators are atop poles, bins, grain legs.  It is cool
technology (ever seen a huge combine turn itself around at the end of the
rows and start back the other way?)

While they usually aren't on all the time, disking, planting, cultivating,
spraying, and combining times shoot holes in the usability.  I have seen
some that are on whenever the machinery key is on.

It's not the small farmers, but the big family and corporate farmers who use
them, including some of my customers.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 900MHZ Farm GOS..Was: That black magic

Are the 900 MHZ systems the farm operations are using FCC Certified?  Anyone
have some details on them? I have been on towers where such systems exist.
Interested in any info others have on them.

Justin

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From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:50:08 -0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] That black magic

We see some of the same interference issues. It was actually much better
when all the cordless phones were 900, verses meters, farm operations,
etc...

Yes it's NLOS, if I went up another 40 ft I would have LOS.  With NLOS
we only have about 25 yards of trees to deal with 100 yards or so from
the house, but no dirt. He's 1.35 miles from the tower, the AP is 150
above his GL. We do use a Cushcraft 906 antenna on his end and an Antel
120 deg, 3 deg electrical down tilt on the tower that puts out 34.8
EIRP. A filter we changed out a couple of years ago dropped our output a
bit more than a db. Now that the beans are gone, his signal stabilized
and improved from a fluctuating -75 to -83 back to a -70

This is an older CCU3100 WaveRider system that doesn't run OFDM, but
DSSS.  I tried a panel antenna instead of the yagi and it improved the
fluctuation some, but didn't improve the signal like going up 10 ft did.
So I think you are correct that the changes in multipath from a little
wind and lots of hardened leafs and beans reflected the signal more than
when they had enough moisture to absorb more than reflect.

Dave

Mike wrote:
 900 MHz doesn't work well around here.  The farmers have deployed GPS
 navigation systems using those frequencies.

 Was the bean path you had NLOS?  I'm curious what effects it had.  I have
 seen a four foot change in elevation work like black magic.  I think the
 beans get to blowing in the breeze and because there are hundreds of
 thousands of little hard points that randomly diffract the signal it
fades.
 I saw this on a knife edge diffraction path as well as a distant, path
where
 the CPE had to be mounted low to clear large branches of an oak tree 20
feet
 overhead.  The next field over was a bean field one year and caused fits
for
 a couple weeks, I believe because of the low angle.  Is it that OFDM can
 survive in a multipath environment until the individually randomized
signals
 number in the thousands?

 Mike

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of David Hulsebus
 Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] That black magic

 Mike, Interesting you mentioned soy beans. I have a customer
 (900-WaveRider) who was installed for 5 yrs next to a corn field. The
 crop was replaced with soy beans this past year and a month before
 harvest, as the beans dried out,  we started having signal fluctuation
 issues. We raised the antenna 10 ft and the problem went away. It was
 their first issue in 5 yrs.

 Dave



 Mike wrote:
   
 I need to do a reality check with those of you familiar with knife edge
 diffraction as a propagation medium.  First, I should paint the scene:

  

 I have a corporate farmer almost 16 miles away who

Re: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS

2010-02-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
I have not answered. #4 neither option applies. Didn't file because didn't
have the time to get the data required and been slacking on it since.
Intention been there to do it but time been short. Many times my filing been
late in the past and then I just had to do a export of my customer data and
tally up the ZIP codes. Consider my subscriber base not a major changer but
I should file just as soon as I start there always seems something more
urgent pooping up delaying it yet again. 

My personal opinion is that if they are to get data of this kind they need
to provide some form of tool/website to get the data. Many of my addresses
does not resolve correctly because they are rural routes and I have to
manually try to map their location to get the right area. 
But we are talking about the government that don't believe in making
anything easy and put the cost entirely on the citizens or businesses so I'm
not surprised. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS

Yesterday I created a quick 4 question survey about government form 477 that
all WISPs are supposed to file with subscriber counts.  50 people have
filled it out so far.  If you haven't yet, it takes 60 seconds or less.
please go to 
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3RZTC9F

The questions are

-Is your customer base increasing/decreasing
-how many subs do you have
-did you file form 477
-would you like help if you didn't

quick results so far are
Customer base  = 46 increasing, 4 decreasing
total customers =65,074 from 49 WISPs = 1,328 subs per WISP
File form 477 = 21 yes, 10 late, 18 no
want help filing = 13 yes, 3 no


Will do more in-depth look tonight


A Quick note.  of the 4 with decreasing customer bases.  3 of them have
under 500 subs.  If it doesn't already exist, I think it would be a great
idea to have a (guide) for 0 - 500 subs. Things like
Bandwidth - general prices, pros/cons. T1, Cable, DSL, etc
Marketing ideas, assistance, etc
what people use to run the business.
Forms, procedures.

I am not on the board for WISPA, but I think this would be a good value to
be provided to members.  Of course, some of the recommendations will change
for larger WISPs.

-
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And do you believe the same goes for Open source applications? There are
more open source being distributed this way then where large for profit
companies use it for distribution. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I think you said it best here:

Some
 of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and
distribute
 of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will
 have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours.
 Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and
 download
 a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds.

So as an ISP we should get clobbered with connections and network issues on
our wireless network to take care of the budgets of all these legal places?
Most of these make 10X the profit I do in a year, let them figure out a
better way. Afterall, the customer is wanting their content.

I limit the crap out of torrents. It is a poorly implemented application for
most networks...for wireless networks for sure. I don't care if the
government wants to distribute welfare checks across torrents on my network.
It will work, although slowly. If the government want's to tell me how I can
control my network and makes it law, I will do something else. I am not
trading the big corp software support problem for my own at 10X the less
profit. Hell, I was squirrel hunting when I started my ISP and I still got a
pocket full of shells.

Scottie

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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and
distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you
start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is
available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it
is done. 

ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast
speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good
speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. ISO
downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you
deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. 

Other adoptions 
BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing
popular content with their torrent system
Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. 
The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to distribute
hundreds of video recordings of live shows.
Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute
hundreds of demos and live videos. 
Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent
Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help
broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 radio programs. For
example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from
RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. 
Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only platform
to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their
music, videos etc. 
In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent

CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available for
download using BitTorrent
NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented
with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all
royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/)
VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative
Commons license using Mininova. 

Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent
support
Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on
their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access
picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. 

As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in
BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. Some
of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute
of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will
have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours.
Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download
a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. 

Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically
to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly when
a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or
thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't mind
to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version is
available as well. 

So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to
totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay you
to get access to data what they access is after all really not your
responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they
have good access and get what they pay for which means control and maintain
network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is good
for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially
when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to
step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or
especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and very
upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it in
a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign it
but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep
waters. 
I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle it
and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps
shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data transfers
is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above
fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download
things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my
available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is
happy. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no
need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. 
It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you
name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link
torrent file download and download client is launched. 

You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the
hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded
been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast
mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how
new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
community by seeding the distro. 
I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well
honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. 

And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves.
You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave
it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you
prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are
we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection
limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. 
Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with
every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue
to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO.
Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If
someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded
the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going
to be happy. 

Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage
service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to
figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to be
happy. 

Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate Bay.
So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of
downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album). 

And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is ready
to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you
download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the
times faster downloads.
 
/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I never said it was good to block it.  I think blocking it is bad.  Not sure
where you got that impression.  My stance is if you can support it, charge
them for it.  If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it
with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely.

Once again...

I have played Wow.  I played it last week for the free trial.  Instead of
waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted and
got the patch in minutes instead of hours.  Blizzard's other games -
Starcraft, Warcraft 2 and 3, Diablo 1 and 2 - are all HTTP only.  The only
Blizzard files obtained via torrent are the Wow patches and hi def
trailers/movies - 
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_UStag=patches

Every *nix distro I've obtained (Ubuntu, Fedora, Centos, DSL, Knoppix,
Gentoo, maybe more) I've done HTTP.

Who cares if Nine Inch Nails distributes their music via torrent?  No one
uses it anyways - they all use Napster/Kazaa/Limewire.

So why choose torrent over HTTP?  I just don't see Grandma Bonnie Emailer or
Little Timmy MP3er or Greasy Gary Gamer (except that one half Wow example)
using torrents.  I just don't see the average user installing utorrent to
get their blog videos, mp3s or latest content, it's easier to click one link
in the browser, save it and use it.

I also want to mention that 300GB/mo transfer at home is not high at all.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.
--- Winston Churchill


On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and
 distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically
 you
 start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is
 available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once
 it
 is done.

 ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast
 speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you
 good
 speed. All I do

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be
anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the
last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. 
According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. 
uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean
it's used or frequently used. 
Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is
web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I
wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to
that conclusion. 
So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all
computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then
regular web traffic. 

Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an
issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because
it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't
exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic
congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We
don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. 
Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the
traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. 

/ Eje


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

8% of Swedes do peer to peer.  I would expect the American population to
have a smaller figure.  Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.
--- Winston Churchill


On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr
wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
 problem.
 
  I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
  of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
  these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
 
  I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
  torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
  majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
  which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
  in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
  list.
 
  On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say.
 So no
  need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
  insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
  It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire
you
  name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the
 link
  torrent file download and download client is launched.
 
  You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do
it
 the
  hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I
 downloaded
  been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast
  mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter
 how
  new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
  community by seeding the distro.
  I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and
 well
  honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror.
 
  And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
  providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters
 themselves.
  You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I
 gave
  it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you
  prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then
 are
  we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or
 connection
  limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use.
  Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and
 with
  every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will
 continue
  to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option
 IMHO.
  Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If
  someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then
 downloaded
  the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't
 going
  to be happy.
 
  Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data
 storage
  service

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more
than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least
you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow.
The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that require a
certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share
bandwidth usage is easy to handle. 
Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with more
dedicated bandwidth so less overselling. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a
month have to be told.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
problem.

 I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
 of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
 these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?

 I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
 torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
 majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
 which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
 in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
 list.

 On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So
no
 need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
 insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
 It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you
 name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the
link
 torrent file download and download client is launched.

 You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it
the
 hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I
downloaded
 been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast
 mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter
how
 new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
 community by seeding the distro.
 I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and
well
 honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror.

 And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
 providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves.
 You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I
gave
 it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you
 prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then
are
 we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or
connection
 limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use.
 Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and
with
 every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will
continue
 to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO.
 Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If
 someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then
downloaded
 the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't
going
 to be happy.

 Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data
storage
 service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to
 figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to
be
 happy.

 Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate
Bay.
 So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of
 downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album).

 And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is
ready
 to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you
 download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the
 times faster downloads.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 I never said it was good to block it.  I think blocking it is bad.  Not
sure
 where you got that impression.  My stance is if you can support it,
charge
 them for it.  If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it
 with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely.

 Once again...

 I have played Wow.  I played it last week for the free trial.  Instead of
 waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted
and
 got the patch in minutes instead of hours

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service.
Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other
material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states
over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file
sharing out to the internet. There is even on the last page a table where
all important information such as bandwidth allotment, # of e-mail accounts,
monthly cap limits as well charge per GB over usage is denoted by hand
depending on service level purchased. 
We say we will charge you $5/GB over your monthly 10GB limit. But we have
never charged this at this point. We have people going way over 10GB but
they have not created any issues on our network. 

No don't believe in unlimited internet and will not be like the mobile
broadband providers calling their service unlimited but in small print you
can read it's not unlimited and that they can charge or cancel your service
for over usage. But reason they call it unlimited is because they have their
limited plans that offer say 500MB or 5GB then their unlimited (which really
isn't unlimited) I am still amazed that FTC have not slapped them on their
hands for this IMO false advertisement. But I guess it comes down to it
affects so very few people that for most people it really seems unlimited.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

Eje,

I always respect your opinons but let me play devils advocate. I
agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to
deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background
working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network
you will be cut off and fined.

-RickG

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be
 anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the
 last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them.
 According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on
them.
 uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean
 it's used or frequently used.
 Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is
 web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I
 wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to
 that conclusion.
 So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all
 computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then
 regular web traffic.

 Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an
 issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just
because
 it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't
 exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic
 congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride.
We
 don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control.
 Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the
 traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy.

 / Eje


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 8% of Swedes do peer to peer.  I would expect the American population to
 have a smaller figure.  Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
 problem.
 
  I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
  of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
  these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
 
  I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
  torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
  majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
  which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
  in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
  list.
 
  On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes you can if you want to. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

I have a MT firewall. Can you run Butch's QOS on MT APs  CPE?

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Not sure of the capabilities of StarOS but Ubnt and Tranzeo can't help you
 limit connections.  You may need to invest in some Routerboards or
something
 more expensive.

 You said you had Butch's QOS application - do you already have some
Mikrotik
 stuff in place?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree but you cant fix a large network overnight. Especially in this
 weather!

 Thanks for your input!

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
 wrote:
  Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and
 more
  than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at
 least
  you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's
 slow.
  The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that
 require a
  certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share
  bandwidth usage is easy to handle.
  Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with
more
  dedicated bandwidth so less overselling.
 
  / Eje
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
 
  Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a
  month have to be told.
 
  On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say it wasn't an issue.  I said there are solutions to the
  problem.
 
  I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many
  of them do not offer regular downloads?  If you were to be one of
  these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why?
 
  I am stating torrent isn't mainstream.  I am stating you can't treat
  torrents like HTTP.  You are trying to make it sound as if the
  majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web
  which, arguably so, is simply not the case.  Not in the world I live
  in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this
  list.
 
  On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
  So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you
say.
 So
  no
  need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are
  insignificant because nobody uses Torrents.
  It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire
 you
  name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the
  link
  torrent file download and download client is launched.
 
  You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do
 it
  the
  hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I
  downloaded
  been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one
fast
  mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no
matter
  how
  new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source
  community by seeding the distro.
  I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations
and
  well
  honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror.
 
  And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents
  providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters
 themselves.
  You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I
  gave
  it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and
you
  prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why
then
  are
  we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or
  connection
  limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use.
  Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and
  with
  every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will
  continue
  to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option
 IMHO.
  Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not.
If
  someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then
  downloaded
  the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy
ain't
  going
  to be happy.
 
  Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data
  storage
  service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours
to
  figure out that you're

Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-13 Thread eje
There are a lot of legal use of torrents. Many games use it for updates (WoW 
especially comes to mind), many Linux software solutions as well (MikroTik use 
it, Fedora use it and most other distros can be gotten by Torrent provided by 
distro owners). This is not the only fileshare app that is used for legal 
distributions. Napster is another protocol after all Napster gone legal and 
people are using it to download songs and videos they paid for. Blocking 
fileshare apps these days can't really legally be blocked anylonger. Throttle 
them sure but to a reasonable level, people downloading to much a good AUP 
should handle if they download 24/7 and use a large amount of bandwidth. 

/Eje
--Original Message--
From: Josh Luthman
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Sent: Feb 14, 2010 00:02

Can you put up another link for him specifically?  Charge him a large
install fee to drop the pps on your AP and a bit more monthly for the
bandwidth.  Ubnt NS5M come to mind.

On 2/14/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Even though our AUP  TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
 demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
 being over
  zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

2010-02-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Tooo funny.. Sent it to Ben at Ubnt after all he is one mentioned by name in
there.. lol

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:50 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143



From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino
Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:50 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!

 

I hope you enjoy

 

Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13)

 

Hitler on Canopy OFDM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

2010-02-10 Thread eje
Got a default route on the MikroTik pointing to your riverstone box?

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:43:14 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing Help [Default Route to OSPF]

{provider} ---[  static 0.0.0.0/0  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  ]--- {riverstone ASBR} 
---[10.0.4.1   OSPF Backbone   10.0.4.2]--- {mikrotik} --- x.x.x.x/24 public 
addresses

I can attach those public addresses directly to the riverstone and they work 
fine. However if I attach them to the mikrotik they get advertised over OSPF 
and have local connectivity, but they stop at the border router on a 
traceroute. However, if you ping a device using one of those addresses from an 
external network, you get a response. So I'm missing something to make the 
route bi-directional, if that's the right term.

This is what I have in the Riverstone:

325 : ip add route default gateway provider gateway IP
362 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto static to-proto ospf network 
default
363 : ip-router policy redistribute from-proto direct to-proto ospf network all
365 : ospf create area backbone
367 : ospf add interface WISP-201 to-area backbone
368 : ospf start

-Paul

On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

 Paul Gerstenberger wrote:
 I'm having a heck of a time setting up OSPF for my network. We've been 
 running a switched network with a Riverstone router on the border, but we've 
 long outgrown that configuration. I have a Mikrotik RB1000U in the rack 
 running v4.5 that we're going to use for our expansion and convert existing 
 subscribers over to. If I can get the dang thing to work anyway.
 
 So, here's what I got:
 
 The Riverstone is still on the border, and will be until I can talk the 
 higher-ups into replacing it. It still works and has plenty of capacity for 
 us still, it's just that Riverstone Networks went under some time ago and 
 there is no support for these things anymore. Anyway, it's here, and it has 
 the default route to our provider. I have a new range of public IPs, and I 
 need to have those public IPs accessible from the Mikrotik[s].
 
 
 Having a hard time following exactly what you are doing...can you 
 attached a network drawing with the routes? We use Riverstones and 
 Mikrotiks in our backbone with no problems at all and I have quite a bit 
 of familiarity with Riverstone networks (I once worked for them :).
 
 Bret
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

2010-02-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Just what I was going to suggest. Good tool especially for people not very
Linux skilled and even for those that are. 

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

Webmin should do it..


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Subject: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

We have two Ubuntu servers running Bind9  I am looking for a web based
control panel to

manage both at the same time
setup dns management for other domains.  Kind of like reselling web hosting



Any recommendations that people are willing to share


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Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

2010-02-08 Thread eje
There is dhcp servers that can utilize either radius for ip assignment or ldap. 

With MikroTik it's easy to setup the internal dhcp server to get lease info 
from a radius server. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:20:03 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package

Now I just need to find a dhcp server that can use mysql Yet a good 
one does not exist.

Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 I assume you want this.
 
 http://downloads.powerdns.com/documentation/html/recursion.html
 
 Although I would take the advice of the documentation's author and utilize 
 dnscache for recursive queries.
 
 --
 Blake Covarrubias
 
 On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
 
 How do I configure forwarders in powerdns? Maybe I am having a slow day 
 but I just cannot figure this out and am tired of looking. I am hoping 
 you know off the top of your head. Thanks

 Jon Auer wrote:
 Webmin can handle this with plain old Bind (4/9).
 We used it before switching to PowerDNS with a database backend and
 our own control panel.

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote:
 We have two Ubuntu servers running Bind9  I am looking for a web based 
 control panel to

 manage both at the same time
 setup dns management for other domains.  Kind of like reselling web hosting



 Any recommendations that people are willing to share


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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yeah I got a kick out of that article and to see the discussion re FCC and
net-neutrality and FCC probes in anticompetive behavior and application
prohibitations for the Iphone et all. Then to find out that this rebellion
was planned but FCC worked to stopped it. 

Stay safe. Don't get out of bed. It's dangerous to drive, dangerous to walk
on the streets, dangerous to operate your electronics and irresponsible to
talk on the cellphone someone that might need to make an important phone
call to might not be able to.. So just stay in bed, don't touch that
cellphone, landline phone OR your laptop... Ohh there might be dangerous
lights emitting from your TV so do not turn it on either. 

Now where did I put my foil hat. Darn weather radars and satellite signals
are getting to me today Might need more foil

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:55 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and
declare...

to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent
is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern.

Such BS.  Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern?  

I'm now off to cover myself in bubble wrap.  One can't be too safe, ya know.

Bob-


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Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ
k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html

/ Eje

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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting
for them to thwart their plans of conquest!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

 

So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance
companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to
do it.

BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh 


Frank Crawford wrote: 

YES
 
Jack Unger wrote:
  

I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you 
support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown 
it in a bathtub?
 
Glenn Kelley wrote:
  


Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates
telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to
oversee broadband.  FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he
gave to the Free State Foundation asked:  (see First Do No Harm: A broadband
plan for Amercia)
Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory
Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With
this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another
type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and
application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the
government be able to keep up?
 
 
Much more on the blog:   www.HostMedic.com -- 

_
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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
On issue here is Carters dream in the 70's that every American should have
a house or right to have a house of their own. This was for much laying
dormant but Bush era brought this back. 

To own a house is not a right. It's a privilege, not everyone should or are
suitable to own a house the idea a house for every American is seriously
flawed. This was what started the housing boom in the 70's out in California
that quickly spread across the nation. Creating over time hyper inflated
prices but was a slow progress but was once again flared up during Bush era
and the push was one once again raising house prices even yet higher and in
a push for this idiotic loans was designed to make this happen. Balloon
loans that was design to get you in a house, sell that house after 10 years
to get you into a bigger house since you now was supposed to have a better
job, bigger family and your current house would be worth lot more. There are
two fundamental flaws with this thinking. 1) the new house you buy will
obviously be much more expensive as well and this Balloon loan was design to
pay minimal principal on your current home until 10 years ahead. 2) it
assumes your salary does not only keep up with inflation but advancing a
head of it not taking into consideration of cyclic economic down turns,
layoffs and failures. Loans created with a rose tinted glasses on never
looking at worse case scenarios or even any bad scenarios. 
Then you have the other kind of loans like Lending Tree and Quickbooks
started offer among others. Lower your monthly payment plans, in the fine
print you discover that your only paying interest and NO principal. That
sure helps people get out of debt. Even worse yet was some loans that
Countrywide extended where the payment people made on their loans didn't
even cover the full interest so the loan only grow. Bank of America ended up
paying a steep fine over these loans (BoA bought Countrywide in 08). 

The current and past credit rating system in general is at fault at large.
To get credit you have to have credit and the more credit you have the more
credit you can get. Of course this is slightly better than it once was when
a collage kid could get $10k credit card credit with no steady income. 
What makes sense to me on a credit system is. You have a steady income, no
credit then your credit is good. The more you earn and the less credit you
have the better your credit rating is. Once you start getting open credit
your rating goes down. 

Ohh well. Just me being sensible I guess ;) 

Dang it. Stop talking politics guys back to wireless now lol

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role
inregulationofnet-neutrality

I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you
on-list Matt.  The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie
and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen.  There are certainly other
factors, but those are the two biggest.  I will agree with you that there
were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the
trough. 


Regards,

Jeff


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role
inregulationofnet-neutrality


On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

 The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules 
 on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally
qualified.
 
No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction
of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would
have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is
reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA
mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital.

There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a
waste of time.

-Matt




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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

I think the paragraph Housing Advocacy groups and Predatory lending
speaks pretty much for itself. 
CRA failed miserably in those areas because of the simple fact that after
all CRA was all about to provide equal financing opportunities to low to
mid-income and minority groups. So the pressure was on to provide financing
to these groups and this back fired because the low in-come group had hard
time paying the loans for a house they really couldn't afford. When you make
less then 30k in the household can you really afford a 50k house and all
expenses associated with said house? Figure just principal, 15 year loan
you're looking at $277/mo. The Department of health and human services
figure a 3 person household requires in the lower 48 $18k per year to scrap
by. By my book that $277/mo + interest + insurance + maintenance is t much
for this family to afford on a regular loan. 

In a 2002 study exploring the relationship between the CRA and lending
looked at as predatory, Kathleen C. Engel and Patricia A. McCoy noted that
banks could receive CRA credit by lending or brokering loans in lower-income
areas that would be considered a risk for ordinary lending practices.

Look where we are at today billions of dollar spent on TARP to save the
banks that did these loans to low and middle income families. 
Fannie Mae and Freddie MAC brought back from the brink of complete meltdown
by even more billions of dollars. 

A house is not a RIGHT it's a PRIVILEGE and not everyone can nor will be
privileged enough to be able to afford a house. A house is not just a loan
payment to have and up keep. It's also insurance and maintenance. Anyone
owning a house knows that there is never an end to maintenance required once
one thing is fixed another will appear some might not require immediate
attention but some if immediate or soon attention is given will result in
expensive fixes and repairs. The older house the more issues and a lot of
the low to medium income families that is all they can afford the older
houses in most areas. On top of this unfortunately a lot of the low income
people are employees that are expendable in many companies so when things
start to go hard they are often the first ones to get laid off. The high
income guy is probably the person that makes the decisions and he relies on
other high income people and mid level income people to make things happen.
It's always the poor guy that get the shaft I'm afraid. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The
FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality

I've seen plenty of research Matt.  You ask for proof from me and you've
provided none yourself.  If you want to provide the basis for your
statements and have an argument, let's have it.  We'll probably have to do
it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I.  


Regards,

Jeff


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The
FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality

What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA?
Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the
subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research.

-Matt
 
On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

 Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and 
 Freddie.  Few of them do their own underwriting anymore.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Jeff
 
 
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 ImageStream
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's 
 roleinregulationofnet-neutrality
 
 You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are 
 so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must 
 disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what 
 percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish 
 what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers 
 are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up.
 
 Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 
 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and 
 Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 
 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime.
 
 -Matt
 
 On Feb 5, 2010

[WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Thought this might be found interesting by some

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm

Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think.

 

/ Eje 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
*shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my
families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference.
There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close
enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no
available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited
probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even
find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. 
Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. 
Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan
on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car
alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass
suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour.
Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on
a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block
parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to
sleep. 

The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) 

/ Eje

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a
room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No
available rooms for 50 miles. 

I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and
abandon the thing!  LOL

-B-
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-Original Message-
From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my
normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show.  Never.

Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed

as
it was 10 years ago too.

4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first
place I stopped at, a Drury.

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


 Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in 
 the
 area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the 
 convention.
 There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your
 idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the
 locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of
 competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay 
 higher
 airfare.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so 
 much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort 
 of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more 
 people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us 
 WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What

Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Agreed. I know this might not necessary have a direct precedence for the US
market but I know in the past on some things like this the US courts,
judges, attorneys and the like has looked at what other countries have done
and taken a serious look on the reasoning why they went a specific direction
so this case even if it's in Australia cannot be anything but a good thing
for us in the US. Now if it been a different country like say China or India
then well I would almost dare to say the US court system might do the
opposite just cause. But consider the historical information both court
system wise as well country origin and laws I believe this is a good thing
and should be to the US ISP's favor. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

Very good!

I've always had the thought that if I, as a provider of access to the
internet am responsible for how the users behave..  I would like to
stretch that out and hold everyone responsible for other things such as if a
burglar uses the highway to come to your house to rob me, they should
compensate me, the telco that he used to plan the crime should compensate
me, the cell phone provider he used for his buddy outside to call to warn
him if someone was coming into the house should compensate me.

The problem is, they are just looking for everyone else to blame for their
issues and want us all to police and be responsible for their property. 

It's this sort of thing that has to be held off or else we become the Big
Brother society that many want us to be.  I know, I know.  We are almost
already there.  It's been Frog Soup (look it up) but we're seeing more of it
happening more openly and I applaud this court for actually having the
testicular fortitude to say NO.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement

Thought this might be found interesting by some

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm

Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think.

 

/ Eje 

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality

2010-02-04 Thread Eje Gustafsson
LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ
k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting
for them to thwart their plans of conquest!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of
net-neutrality

 

So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance
companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to
do it.

BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh 


Frank Crawford wrote: 

YES
 
Jack Unger wrote:
  

I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you 
support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown 
it in a bathtub?
 
Glenn Kelley wrote:
  


Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates
telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to
oversee broadband.  FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he
gave to the Free State Foundation asked:  (see First Do No Harm: A broadband
plan for Amercia)
Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory
Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With
this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another
type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and
application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the
government be able to keep up?
 
 
Much more on the blog:   www.HostMedic.com -- 

_
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  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
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Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Need to upgrade from your 2 by 4 to a 4 by 4? ;) 

One thing I forgot to say in my rant is consider anyone over the above of 18
is registered to vote in Sweden the percentage SHOULD be lower than in a
country where you have to actually register your intent to vote to be
allowed to vote and yet around 85% vote there vs 65% here. ;P 

At times I wonder how many knows how and what they need to do to register to
vote (I would hope everyone that are allowed to register to vote knows). 
But even further how many actually knows right now (no matter registered to
vote or not) where they should go to vote? 
In Sweden once your 18 and upon the next election you get your voting card
sent to you by mail which shows when and where you are expected to vote. 
I still get the vote card even after living 10 years here in the US (ashamed
to say that I have not voted the last 2 elections but then I have very
minimal clue what going on political back in Sweden).. FYI for anyone not
knowing yes I'm still Swedish citizen and not a US citizen so am not allowed
to vote in the US elections (I'm a legal alien ;) so anyone that meet me can
claim they meet an alien... lol )

Alright back to my corner.. Drats said my last post was my 1 a year off
topic now I consumed 2 years worth of non topic posts... 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 00:06 -0600, Eje Gustafsson wrote: 
 I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
 themselves. 

I agree.  It is absolutely shameful to see the turnouts.  It is MORE
shameful that this is pointed out by you (don't be offended, it's not
intended that way).  It is, however, reality that too many Americans are
unwilling to participate in politics in any way other than complaining.
FWIW, I have NEVER missed the opportunity to vote in ANY election (all
the way down to the local ones).  The fact that sometimes a higher
percentage of active voters differ in their opinion does not mean my
vote doesn't count.  It just means that I should work harder to teach
people how to think.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the
fun of meeting up with you guys. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I feel as if I could have written that same post.  I'm much
saddened.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I like Ham  Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City.

Pulled pork is my favorite!

:-)

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

I would love for it to be during HAM.

Right around the corner from me.

On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells..

 I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the
 large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio.  Only so
much
 I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across
 town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort
of
 towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators.  No way would we
 get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion.  The
 bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more
people
 without any more effort.  I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that
 would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety.  A lot of us
WISP
 operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow.  Unless, of
 course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use.
 :)


 Anyway, just an idea.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
 that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong
 positives.

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
 the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing
 on our own.

 All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so
 that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to
 happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to
 get a show put on.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 forwarding to the list.

 Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather
 than to the sender?  Thanks,

 Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We need
 our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.

 Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.  I
 believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more
 intimate
 etc.

 I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year.
 It
 shouldn't take more than

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that
don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter
because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. 

Look at the 2008 President election
StateMargin
Missouri 0.14% 
NC   0.32% 
Indiana  1.04%
NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% 
MT   2.25%
Florida  2.82% 
Ohio 4.59% (your state)
These states represented 88 electoral votes

States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented
another 64 electoral votes.

Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT
count. 

I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of
themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of
those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for
president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase
over previous election.
There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. 

Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm
original from there)
In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not
only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no
obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a registered voter. In
the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or king
with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn out
to vote. 

So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go
vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your
voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that
are today glad they voted to show the color of their state.
North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had
voted.

Alright of my soap box.

Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

I have not voted to this day, to be honest.

It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.
--- Winston Churchill


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:

 Josh

 How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly
 matters?

 I, in NJ had the same issue until recently.

 Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up!


 On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.
 
  Now he's really pissing me off.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
  continue
  that counts.
  --- Winston Churchill
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we
  (USA) give
  things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the
  case of the
  net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being
  used to
  attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let
  everyone
  connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack
  or
  attempt to hack into our networks.
  -RickG
 
  On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-
  access.com
  wrote:
 
  From NewsMax:
 
  Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers
 
  Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size
  By: Bradley A. Blakeman
 
  Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the
  investment of
  U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it
  today.
 
  Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of
  the
  Web
  from the United States to foreign powers.
 
  Some background: The Internet came into being because of the
  genius work
  of
  Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while
  working
  for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research
  Projects
  Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented
  the idea
  of
  open-architecture networking.
 
  This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of
  the
  Internet.
 
  These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a
  worldwide
  computer Internet communications network that forever changed the
  world
  and
  how we communicate in it.
 
  They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier
  (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a
  network of
  servers would allow users

Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... 

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791
097

Yeah... Kids today got things to learn 

;) 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

Maybe not strange, but happy:
http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm

This wouldve been nice as a child:
http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml

This is kinda funny:
http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html

-RickG

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 That would be SOS in morse.  So there!

 That's one I actually knew  I had a strange childhood.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

 ha ha


 heres a test

 ... _ _ _ ...

 wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real
 fast ;-)



 On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

  Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests.  I didn't
  even
  know there was going to be a test..  This sucks.
 
 
 
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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] test
 
 
 
 
 
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  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
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Re: [WISPA] test

2010-01-31 Thread Eje Gustafsson
In the speed texting championships you are not allowed any spellaids or
predictive text program. 
The fastest texters all recorded their speed texting on 12 key phones. 
I could see allowing a competition between a qwerty keyboard and morse. But
spellaids and predictive text programs wouldn't be fair. I still believe
morse would win because keys are smaller and harder to find on a qwerty then
double/triple tapping a one out of 12 keys. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

Rigged.  There is no Blackberry keyboard - just that awful 12-key
thing (not t9 autofill, but a total of 12 keys).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 What is faster morse code or cell phone texting...


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791
 097

 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn

 ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

 Maybe not strange, but happy:
 http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm

 This wouldve been nice as a child:
 http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml

 This is kinda funny:
 http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html

 -RickG

 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 That would be SOS in morse.  So there!

 That's one I actually knew  I had a strange childhood.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] test

 ha ha


 heres a test

 ... _ _ _ ...

 wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real
 fast ;-)



 On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote:

  Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests.  I didn't
  even
  know there was going to be a test..  This sucks.
 
 
 
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  On
  Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] test
 
 
 
 
 
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  g...@aeronetpr.com
 
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Syslog

2010-01-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Syslog is udp by default. This is what MikroTik expects it to be. 

/ Eje
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Syslog

Does anyone know if MT sends out syslog information on TCP or UDP?  I know 
it's port 514.  I've figured out how to have rsyslog listen to UDP 514, but 
not TCP.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Syslog

 I'm looking to setup a syslog server.  Like most things open source, 
 there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been 
 abandoned for years.

 I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL.  I'd like a GUI 
 of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things.

 It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to

 figure out.

 oh, and Linux based.  Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container.


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Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip
antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems)
My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that.
Antenna diversion or increased base station density. 
Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up
and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my
guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access
road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to
the tower leg joints. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down

While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside
down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this?
-RickG




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Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

2010-01-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not much, probably if you need multiple omnis you would install sectors. But
if you need antenna diversity and use omnis this is one of the easier way to
do it since you just need one standoff bracket. However when doing need to
be wary of downtilt antennas especially for the omni tilted down and ensure
you have no weep holes or similar that now end up at the top of the antenna.

But with directional antennas on the client it seems base station diversity
is not any greater advantage. It's good for roaming mobile users (laptops,
pda, cellphones) that might not have direct LOS to the base station. On
Direct LOS there is no reason to use diversity unless you are doing a mimo
setup using a 2 chain radio. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down

Thanks!
Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this?
-RickG

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip
 antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range
 systems)
 My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like
 that.
 Antenna diversion or increased base station density.
 Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3
 up
 and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my
 guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the
access
 road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to
 the tower leg joints.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down

 While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted
upside
 down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in
this?
 -RickG





 
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Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge

2010-01-20 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes you can do route the publics over a internal private ip network but of
course you do not want/need to nat. 
Drawback (advantage) is that people on the outside can not traceroute
through your internal network because you use private ips but that don't
prohibit them from reaching the public ips on your inside internal network. 

This is sent from a machine with a public of 12.x.x.158 in between the
location I'm at and my core router (connected to my upstream) I have 2
routers with ONLY private ips. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge

I hear ya.  If not by bridging, what other option could be used to move the
public IP?  I NAT everything, public IP's big mega mucho $$ for me, hate it.
Can you route the public through a network that is all NAT?  Just for future
knowledge

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:45, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Before I start tearing into things and make a mess for myself, can one
have
 a public IP behind a transparent bridge?


Yup. I can vouch for Josh Luthman's instructions. Heck, I have the whole
turn a pair of Mikrotik radios into transparent bridges instructions down
to a one-pager, suitable for the field techs to use. While many on this list
preach that bridging is bad (and they're often right), the ability to turn a
pair of boards into an easy drop-in replacement/upgrade for older
bridging-only gear (Trango 5800, I'm looking at you) is a powerful one.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Collections

2010-01-19 Thread eje
Small claims works great for LLC and partnership type companies as long the 
cost is less then $2000. In the past we have done so with great success the 
hardest part can be to figure out the address to have the Sheriff or Police 
serv them the court papers. But once served and they don't show up it's a slam 
dunk win.  We also had no problem winning a reasonable fee for court filing and 
time to do it. 

However as a Incorporation you do not have this option any longer. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: lakel...@gbcx.net
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:50:38 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Collections

Can't you just save them all up and go to small claims court?  Make one trip 
and don't share any money with anyone.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:29:44 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Collections

What do you guys pay for people to do collections?

I was complaining about people that owe me money to someone I know and she 
volunteered herself to do the work.  I guess she used to work for a collections 
company and was quite effective.  I'm assuming a percentage of what she 
collects, but what percent?  25%, 50%, 75%?


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[WISPA] Skype To FCC Request Net Neutrality

2010-01-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson
http://gigaom.com/2010/01/14/skype-to-fcc-keep-internet-open-neutral/

 

If this already been posted my apologies but can't recall seeing anything
about this today. 

 

/ Eje




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Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

2010-01-12 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We among many others carry this one. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8eq=Tp=

Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to
the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any
power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with
Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not
distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings.
Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard
Canopy units can handle. 

Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V
units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the
data wires. 
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24eq=Tp=

We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them
for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy
but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?

Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like
really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection
seems a better idea than competing products.

Thanks,
Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600

I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing.

I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build.
http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf

Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has 
this surge suppressor installed.
I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago.  When I opened the enclosure 
there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor 
was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board 
was fine.

LaRoy  McCann
Data Technology

Josh Luthman wrote:
 I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we
commonly
 use are

 Canopy 12-24v
 Nano/Locostations 12-25v
 MT 4xx 10-28v

 Cordless drill battery 18-22v

 Having a mobile POE priceless

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote:

   
 Good point about the voltage.
 I use them mostly for UBNT CPE.  What MT units I used them with were 18
 or 24V.



 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
 The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right?

 If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not
48V
 configurations.

 As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit
 specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish).
 They have both 60Vand 35V models.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List 
   
 wireless@wispa.org
 
 Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor
   
 with
 
 UBNT radios or Mikrotik?



   
 Yes you can.  You have to move the ground jumper.  Just loosen the
nuts
 and move the jumper to the hole with no copper.
 The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground.

 LaRoy McCann
 Data Technology


 Scott Carullo wrote:

 
 Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped...

 Thanks

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102



   



 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this
very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. 

It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi
One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
similar for their batteries ;) 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Josh,

Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the

indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery 
fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power 
supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction 
box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep 
track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for  
20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and 
then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to 
find out, but taht is not always the case.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 Tom,

 Problem solved:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

 That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
 Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet
 port.

 There is good reason for that.
 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving
 residential.

 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
 Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
 second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, 
 and
 no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and
 functioning.
b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly
 with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
 distracted by customer.

   c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
 cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut 
 right
 under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
 opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass 
 thru
 jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.

 I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
 enough
 margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.

 But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
 pleasing,
 and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
 footprint, and dual ether.

 I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second
 Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
 likely occur.
 But its nice to dream. :-)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


 I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
  clients.  One less connector to fail due to whatever.
  You can get them with SR/XR9.
 
  Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product.
 
  Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  I'll order one to try out.
 
  thanks,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
 
  How about both good price and well built?  Order 5+ and you save 
  $50+.
 
  http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq=
 
  I personally have them deliver the parts.  I have someone at the 
  office
  build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5
  builds/hr).
 
  Some of them they did build as I made a mistake

Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

2010-01-08 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.

Zoomed in:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for
 this
 very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.

 It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools
 ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new
 Ryobi
 One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a
 similar for their batteries ;)

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

 Josh,

 Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE
 the

 indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the Battery
 fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?

 Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power
 supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction
 box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep
 track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 
 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and
 then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to
 find out, but taht is not always the case.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt


  Tom,
 
  Problem solved:
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg
 
  That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and
  Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
  --- Albert Einstein
 
 
  On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
  wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:
 
  What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
Ethernet
  port.
 
  There is good reason for that.
  1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases
  2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
serving
  residential.
 
  3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
 a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
  Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
 Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to
  second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source,
  and
  no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up
and
  functioning.
 b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done
easilly
  with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting
  distracted by customer.
 
c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without
  cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut
  right
  under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without
  opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass
  thru
  jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port.
 
  I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is
  enough
  margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff.
 
  But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically
  pleasing,
  and high power, that does not sacrifice features.  This requires a 411
  footprint, and dual ether.
 
  I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a
 second
  Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never
  likely occur.
  But its nice to dream. :-)
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
 
 
  I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4
   clients.  One less connector to fail due

Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Only if you get caught? ;) 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

Isn't that fraud?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Gives me an idea  old lightning zapped cpe's  find a house
 fire.  Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever
 number
 messed up units one may have, after the fact of course...

 Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco
 router...

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

 So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to
 turn it into their insurance. -RickG

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

  Lost our first CPE from a house fire.  Guy was so down on the phone, I
  couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE.  What
  have you done?
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
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Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

2010-01-07 Thread eje
Sorry. Guess great minds think alike ;) lol

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-Original Message-
From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 2010 13:06:05 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

Oh well, Eje beat me to it, lol.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:03:34 -0600

Only if you get caught? ;) 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

Isn't that fraud?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Gives me an idea  old lightning zapped cpe's  find a house
 fire.  Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever
 number
 messed up units one may have, after the fact of course...

 Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco
 router...

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire

 So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to
 turn it into their insurance. -RickG

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

  Lost our first CPE from a house fire.  Guy was so down on the phone, I
  couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE.  What
  have you done?
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  Chuck Hogg
 
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com
 
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Re: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades

2010-01-06 Thread eje
Talk about inflated numbers on people reached on the 3G networks. T-mobile 
supposedly upgrading or soon will be in our area to EDGE (currently only 
getting GPRS). While ATT in our area only supports currently EDGE with no 
indication of 3G available in near future (my understanding there are currently 
not even on the road map for 3G in our area) and here they are talking about 
finishing upgrade to HSPA7.2 and work towards HSPA+   

Ohh well. My Blackberry got wifi and supports UMA so don't care that much about 
3G or HSPA. Got a 3G wifi AP for when I'm on the road so don't pay hotel wifi 
rates. Guess faster speeds those times are nice. 

/Eje
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Subject: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades
Sent: Jan 6, 2010 11:58

Article -

http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2010/01/Carriers-AT-T-T-Mobile-Network-Upgrades-AT-T-T-Mobile/

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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread eje
You can use MikroTik and be legal. 

Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the 
approved certs or is just spreading FUD. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection  
radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems.  Of  
course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end  
performance.

Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal.

On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote:

 I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs.  
 Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to  
 me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks  
 good on paper and hoping that it will actually work

 Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will  
 give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 --  
 but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a  
 profitable business?

 Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have  
 had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact  
 that these systems don't scale

 The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several  
 thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air  
 Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million  
 building out

 It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP  
 debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free  
 while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of  
 tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of  
 customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on  
 Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming  
 team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was  
 joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot  
 easier to just buy a Broadsoft)

 I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =)

 -Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems

2009-12-30 Thread eje
Works nice for me but on our server that is. 

/Eje
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To: Motorola Canopy User Group
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems
Sent: Dec 30, 2009 17:43

We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their 
emails from our mail server with their Blackberries.   The calls started 
on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a 
week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely.

No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this 
problem.   Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues.

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[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never
investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that
there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab
testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC
enforcement inspection. 

Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is
then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally
use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original
mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case.
Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards
certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and
let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. 
If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified
products. Life stinks. 

So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify
equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. 

/ Eje

On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote:

 Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own
 gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products.

 On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 You can use MikroTik and be legal.

 Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or
 checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

 We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as  
 injection
 radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems.  Of
 course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end
 performance.

 Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal.

 On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote:

 I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs.
 Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to
 me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks
 good on paper and hoping that it will actually work

 Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will
 give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 --
 but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a
 profitable business?

 Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have
 had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact
 that these systems don't scale

 The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several
 thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air
 Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million
 building out

 It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP
 debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free
 while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of
 tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of
 customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on
 Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming
 team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was
 joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot
 easier to just buy a Broadsoft)

 I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =)

 -Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

2009-12-25 Thread eje
Man what are you guys doing talking business on christmas. Shame on you guys. 
;) 

Merry Xmas to ya all. 

/Eje 
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-Original Message-
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:34:20 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

I Have to say, From what I've done with UBNT gear, Its been working really 
well. And its all very priced very well. MT has some major competition with 
them in the picture. 

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 3:17 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

I actually prefer it that way, though I haven't used AirMax yet.  Then you 

don't have to worry about leaving a CPE stranded if you forget to change 
the 
setting.

I can't wait for stable firmware and stocking to take advantage of this. 
I'm seriously considering leaving MT wireless for UBNT wireless (retaining 

MT for everything else).

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

 This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the 
client
 end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same.

 Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the 
 client,
 just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows
 automatically.

 Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little
 more mature.

 We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client 
 that
 are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. 
The
 big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of
 reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to 
 have.

 Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New 
 Year!!

 George

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

 I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 
in
 AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG

 On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax
 option, only if it's in AP mode.  So, if you are not in AP mode on the
 5M then AirMax isn't an issue.  Have you tried setting the 5M as the
 AP the NS5 as the client?  That's if you are doing this on the
 bench..  :)  Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5
 as well.  All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP.

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas

 Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the
 ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG

 On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

  In the Advanced tab you'll see Enable AirMax. If it's not checked
  then it's off.  If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer
  units from the old, at least I haven't been able to.  But I've been
  connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but
  I've only been using 20mhz channels.  Are you doing 20mhz or 10?
  Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can
 connect.
 
  Bob-
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
 
  Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How
  do you turn off TDMA? -RickG
 
  On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
   I'm confused.  Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a
   NanoStation
 5M?
  
   The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be
   turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA.
  
   Sucks.  I heard that the older could run TDMA but it's too much
   for
  them
   to be stable. At least that's the story.
  
   Bob-
  
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   On Behalf Of RickG
   Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:35 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5

Re: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation

2009-12-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes a NSM5 can talk with a MikroTik 11n unit. Currently they have some
issues with the M5's talking with Legacy (802.11a) equipment a new firmware
should be forth coming shortly. The latest solved a lot of the problems but
not completely. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation

I have not used any UBNT M series units yet so I have a couple of questions.

Is an NS M5 compatible with Mikrotik 802.11N or does it have to be used 
with the Rocket M basestation?
Can it be used with Mikrotik 802.11A?

LaRoy McCann
Data Technology




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Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

2009-12-17 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers
(reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small
metal button inside you pop and it starts to get warm. After a while
they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just
boil it and it gets soft again and once it gets cool it's ready to use just
pop the button again. 

You could find them before in wild life stores but they seemed to be
numerous dollars there but been a while since I looked for them so might be
lot cheaper today..

/Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some
transmission fluid.  20 in a box, 89 cents each.  Says will last 7 hours.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot

I like the hand warmer idea.  I see em for less than a buck per 
regularly.  Thanks for the tip.

mg

At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote:
Yeah, you are an id10t!  Yikes.

It's only internet guys!  NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work.  Oh, they
act like they will, but they wont.

Safety first, and last.  If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last
thing you do in this business or any other.  We get in enough jams just
doing what we have to do.  Lets not compound the problem.

OK, having said that.  I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical
hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year.  EVERY car.  When I
have
to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all,
can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist.  Right where
you'd check your pulse.  That does an amazing job of warming the blood
going
into your hands.  Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands
stay.

You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll
help keep your feet warm.  I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too
much air and they get really hot!  I ended up with blistered skin on my
legs
from a couple of them.  If they start to feel too hot, they are.  I'd have
never guessed that that could have happened!

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot


  Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh  28 degrees while
  holding
  onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
 
  Really glad you're OK!  I have never been able to keep my fingers
  decent - they freeze at 50!
 
  On 12/16/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
  I'm an idiot.
 
 
 
  Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon.  300 foot tower.
  Drive
  to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat,
  all
  good.  No gloves.  Figures.  Where are the gloves?  The NEW gloves?
  Home.
  All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves.  Did I go up?
  Certainly,
  because I'm an idiot.
 
 
 
   I can now almost feel my fingers.
 
 
 
  Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph.
 
 
 
  Just had to share my utter stupidity.  Never again.
 
 
 
  Robert West
 
  Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
 
  740-335-7020
 
 
 
 
 
 
  


  
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is
following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. 

/ Eje
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had
to buy 4 or 5 to get them.



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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock?

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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Don't forget the towel.. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

The universal answer to all questions.

I had all but forgotten it...  Thanks!

now, if I could just remember

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From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 roflol

 Now THAT's funny!

 So long and thanks for all the fish!
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice


 42 is the answer.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:01 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

 Thats right!  And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too!
 Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming.
 Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some
 thinking on this list. :)
 Not all here think the government is the answer.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.

 Just like REAL health care.
 Just like REAL education.
 Just like REAL science.

 Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
 thinking on this list.I have learned.

 All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the
 expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and 
 spend
 7
 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all 
 in
 one package.



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 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

   http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx
   
 
  The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President
  Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband
  access, according to a new study from Insight Research.
 
  Scottie
 
  Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
  $30.00/mth.
  Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
 
 
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas was on
the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment that is
still on its way hopefully should be in no later than next week because we
want to ship as many out we can before we close for inventory between
Christmas and new years. Hopefully we will just be closed for no more than 2
days there but could be longer depending how the count will go. 

/ Eje
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

Any idea if you have antennas on that shipment, the 16-120s in particular


Scott Piehn
- Original Message - 
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5


 Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is
 following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week.

 / Eje
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 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

 You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had
 to buy 4 or 5 to get them.



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 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

 Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock?

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Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Eje Gustafsson
And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The tax
payers and isn't a tax payer allowed to comment/argue what the monies are
being used for? 

Can just look at for example Kansas where the government done a poor job in
managing the monies. 8 years ago toll free numbers was removed. This year
education gotten almost $500 in reduction, might not have monies to pay
government payroll. Was talks last year that they might not be able to
payout tax refunds (monies where the tax payers paid too MUCH). 

Anyone paying taxes have the right to bitch, whine and gripe about the
government on anything they do that cost monies. Now if I or others might
want to hear it here or in another place that is a different matter. 

/ Eje 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on
this list by people who ...

- sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to
them by the FCC for free or low cost.
- sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by
DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation.
- drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the
government.
- sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in
government subsidies per year.
- connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural
Electric Administration.
- use VA health services.
- will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire.
- call the police and fire department when they need help.
- send their kids to public schools.

Amazing.

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Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

2009-12-10 Thread eje
As little as 1v with enough currant will kill you. It's not voltage that kills 
but rather the currant. It takes 200ma to stop your hear but to get that much 
to the hear you have a lot of resistance to overcome and with only a small 
amount of voltage you need a lot of juice. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:30:12 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!

24 volts won't kill you.  25 volts will; with enough current.  :-)



At 10:00 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote:
By low, I was talking about 24 volts. I know the electric company calls 120
volts. My point was I'm not taking a bucket near any electrical power lines,
period. Thanks!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

  More people die every year from low voltage than from high.
 
  Or so I've been told.  But that may not be quite right:
  http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/98-131/epidemi.html#fig1
 
  Still, far too many deaths from ALL voltages.
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
 
 
   Not near high power lines. With that said, your comments are very good
   advice and well taken. It wasnt long ago that a co-worker at the electric
   company I was at was killed up in a bucket. We should all take high power
   seriously. Thanks!
  
   On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
   o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
  
   You mean to say that you've never ended up with the bucket or boom in a
   place that you didn't expect it to get?
  
   I sure have!
   marlon
  
   - Original Message -
   From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:13 AM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
  
  
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:
   
   
- Original Message -
From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
   
   
 One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket

 I'll assume you meant bucket truck. The day we bought our bucket
 truck
and
 brought it home, I took a 3/8 drill bit to about 3 places in the
 bottom
 of the bucket to let water out.
   
That's not a good idea.  You now give a place for electricity to run
through
your body if you happen to move between a ground source and an
   electrical
line.  I've thought of doing that to my truck, but it's really not
hard
to
just dump the buckets.
   
I've worked for several electric companies and understand the
reasoning
behind this. But, if you dont use a bucket near high power lines then
its
not an issue. -RickG
   
   
   
  
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?

2009-12-10 Thread eje
If you want call our sales team and they can send you a dead 433 board and you 
can take the slot of it (all you would need is to pay shipping). However to do 
that you would need a air rework gun. Done it numerous times, takes about 15-20 
min to take the bad one off, remove the working one and solder the good one 
back. 

/Eje
--Original Message--
From: Robert West
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: 'WISPA General List'
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:05

I have a 433ah I dropped a month or so ago from about, oh, a hundred feet...
Hitting guy wires all the way down to boot..  Broke one of the ears off the
mini pci card nearest the top edge.  That slot is now dead for all intents
and purposes but the card is still working fine.  Anyone know of a source
for surface mount mini pci slots that can be used for replacement?  Not to
worry, I can solder, we're old school.

 

Thanks

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 




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Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color?

2009-12-10 Thread eje
When it comes to trademark a color it is very strict and very limited if memory 
serves me right. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:05:51 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color?

Imagine, if you will, some nut job (me) who had too much money (not me) and
went about trade marking colors for different uses like some people squat on
domain names.  Could be a mess.  Interesting but still a mess.  I bet there
are safeguards someplace for that.  Has to be.

I want to trademark the smell of bread.  If you want to make bread that
smells like bread, you need to pay me a royalty for every loaf.  

I bet it could partially fly, or at least get me on the Howard Stern show.
(gag)



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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trademark on a color?

Deere has Deere green.  Ridiculous as it seems it's true.

On 12/9/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 I was looking through some invoices and just caught that UPS has a
trademark
 on the color Brown.  HUH?



 I guess in the context of a package delivery company it would stick but
man,
 what about shades of brown?



 So I was thinking, as I randomly do, if I use every primary color in
 different versions of my logo and trademark them all, wouldn't that leave
 any other wireless company with no colors to do a darned thing with?



 Just seems silly to trademark a color.



 Can I trademark cats?  Or smells?  Or maybe the smell of a cat?  Who would
 want to.



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Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability

2009-12-10 Thread eje
Believe it's all in this shipment that is due in. 

/Eje
--Original Message--
From: Robert West
To: e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability
Sent: Dec 9, 2009 22:23

Yeah, UBNT said you're getting some late this week, first of next.  Hope you
have some sectors by the end of the year, have to spend a little more, so
says the accountant.  :)

Bob-



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Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability

Rocket5's are on their way. Shouldn't be long now. 

/Eje
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To: 'WISPA General List'
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability
Sent: Dec 9, 2009 21:52

If anyone is interested, I was on the hunt for some UBNT Rocket 5 M's today
and Ben over at UBNT steered me to invictuswireless.com.  Never heard of
them before but they had some.   By some good mistake their site says both
that it is in stock and temporarily out of stock so I think no one is
ordering but they told me they had them so I clicked and they've shipped.

 

How long has it been since anyone begged for Nano2s???  Man, everyone has
scads of them in stock now.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?

2009-12-10 Thread eje
Ahh well then you got the equipment. 
We got plenty of un-repairable boards one of these days will have to send them 
of for recycling. 

/Eje
--Original Message--
From: Robert West
To: e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:55

Can do.  I started using Chip Quik for removing SMD's a couple of years ago
and gave up the air gun.  Still have it, just really liked the Chip Quik.
Started using it to remove power surge damaged lan chips from motherboards
and now use it for lots of other things.  Was a god send for removing laptop
power jacks.  I've even used it to replace bad flash chips on various boards
as well as replace some integrated ram on a laptop.  

I'll give them a call.  Thanks a bunch!

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?

If you want call our sales team and they can send you a dead 433 board and
you can take the slot of it (all you would need is to pay shipping). However
to do that you would need a air rework gun. Done it numerous times, takes
about 15-20 min to take the bad one off, remove the working one and solder
the good one back. 

/Eje
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From: Robert West
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: 'WISPA General List'
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] MT Surface Mount Mini PCI SLot Source?
Sent: Dec 10, 2009 11:05

I have a 433ah I dropped a month or so ago from about, oh, a hundred feet...
Hitting guy wires all the way down to boot..  Broke one of the ears off the
mini pci card nearest the top edge.  That slot is now dead for all intents
and purposes but the card is still working fine.  Anyone know of a source
for surface mount mini pci slots that can be used for replacement?  Not to
worry, I can solder, we're old school.

 

Thanks

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 





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Re: [WISPA] Wind! - RMA on a Mikrotik 411 board, anyone?

2009-12-09 Thread eje
Of course it matters who it came from :( because the dist have to pay to send 
the board back to Latvia and if it's surge damage then we pay to bring the 
board back again all for a $79 board and it takes generally 3-4 months at best 
to get them fixed (or returned not fixed because it was deemed surge damage). 

I'm sure streakwave don't want to pay for the shipping on a board they didn't 
sell (make any money on) and neither do we. On our invoices you will have the 
board serial number. If you had the system I'd you could retrieve the key and 
see whom it was bought from.  But I would dare to assume you don't have the 
key.. Call our RMA line or send a e-mail to r...@wisp-router and the girls will 
look up your serial number if it came from us and if that is the case take care 
of your rma. But if the board worked for 4months I would think MT will not 
warranty it. Now if it was new unused they might. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:48 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind! - RMA on a Mikrotik 411 board, anyone?

Turned out to be

The 411 card.  HUH?  I hear ya say.  I dunno either.  I attacked the
cables first thing, replaced the pig tail, the short extension of lmr-400
from the pac grid to enclosure, cat5 to router.  Man!  Still dead!  So I
connected my laptop directly into the 411 board and no response. Reset,
still nothing.  Lights up, gives me one beep but never completes the boot,
no cute beep beep of satisfaction.  Got it here at home, no manner of
resetting gets it, can't get in via serial.  Could go with the jtag but I
don't want to deal with putting the pins on it.  Bummer.

Only 4 months old, this one is. Now where did I buy the thing? is what I'm
asking myself.   MT says to RMA through the distributor but I pick these
things up from whoever has the UBNT stuff in stock at the time, I just add
to the order.  The invoices don't list the MAC ID or serial number, not that
I can see.  Could be Streakwave, Wlanparts or Wisp-router.  I think I bought
a few things form Jeffs Soho, might have just been 433's  

Anyhow, any tips on the RMA on these things?  Does it really matter who gets
the hit?  I'd vote for Streakwave, they're closer.

Bob-

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wind!

The last time I experienced that, it was a bad cable end, where the wind had

shaken the last 18 inches of 400 size cable - the distance from the last 
clamp to the N connector, and the N connector had literally shaken apart. 
The entire braiding had broken loose and the compression on the foam inner 
had crushed until the whole cable began creeping out of the connector.It

was cold, and even the shrink wrap had cracked, and the tape wrapped over 
that was just slowly stretching...







--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:12 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wind!

 Windy today, supposed to have gusts up to 50mph before days end.  I was
 monitoring some backhaul links, had one bouncing from -72 to -83.  Up and
 down.  I'm thinking, uh-oh, got a grid loose someplace, better go fix it 
 now
 before it gets worse.  I go out, first end solid as can be.  I even shake
 the heck out of it, all good.  I guess the other end is messed up.  Go 
 out,
 also solid.  Look at the laptop, still bouncing.  Using pac 28dbi grids 
 with
 411 boards R52h cards on both sides.  First grid is at 60', second at 100'
 No trees, heck I can almost see the other end with my naked and cold eye.
 It's only 4 miles out.  Link is normally -72.  Maybe junk being tossed up 
 in
 the wind?  That would be a lot ot junk for -10 drop in RSSI I would think.



 Just sharing.  Weird.





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Re: [WISPA] Rocket5 Availability

2009-12-09 Thread eje
Rocket5's are on their way. Shouldn't be long now. 

/Eje
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From: Robert West
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Sent: Dec 9, 2009 21:52

If anyone is interested, I was on the hunt for some UBNT Rocket 5 M's today
and Ben over at UBNT steered me to invictuswireless.com.  Never heard of
them before but they had some.   By some good mistake their site says both
that it is in stock and temporarily out of stock so I think no one is
ordering but they told me they had them so I clicked and they've shipped.

 

How long has it been since anyone begged for Nano2s???  Man, everyone has
scads of them in stock now.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] EEI 100' Monopole Cell Tower

2009-12-08 Thread eje
I have a trylon section 1  2 that I don't need. Anyone need or want I will 
part with them cheap. 

/Eje
--Original Message--
From: Stuart Pierce
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To: wireless@wispa.org
ReplyTo: spie...@avolve.net
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] EEI 100' Monopole Cell Tower
Sent: Dec 8, 2009 21:18

I've come across a good deal on a tower if anyone wants information on it, $15K 
for this and never erected.

I'm looking for Trylon 96'er towers and of course who has the least expensive 
ones and the closer the better for shipping.

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Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

2009-12-07 Thread eje
80+ and sunny here ;) 
To bad it will not last long. Can see why Gino lives here in the Carribbean. 
Talk about Gino should past by him shortly ;) 

(Alright so I'm on vacation on a Disney Cruise to the eastern Carribbean)

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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:33:20 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

It's snowing here!

Regards,
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:07 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] It's too darn cold!

It's cold.  I spent all day and most of the night working on a tower and
my
feet are frozen.  Time for new boots and the rest of the winter
gear..  Anyone have winter gear that they swear by and not AT?  

I use steel toed boots (lesson learned the hard and painful way) and
usually
buy whatever looks good, clothing wise, from TSC.  Everything is pretty
much
worn out, time for crap to keep me warm. 

Ideas so that I don't freeze to death?

And gloves!  Man, I never have found gloves I could wear AND use my
hands at
the same time.

So as usual  Who loves what and who hates what?

Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

2009-12-07 Thread eje
I would say the problems is lawyers. When a skilled good doctor that is 
nationally renowned as a OB can't make a living as a OB alone yet he is always 
busy but end up doing plastic surgery on the side because his malpractice 
insurance is so high (yet never had to use it) but he has to carry it. On the 
prices I seen the clear opposite. The insurance companies have allowed prices 
what the doctors can charge. If you don't have insurance you can end up paying 
full premiums which sometimes can be twice as much as health insurance allowed 
fees. 


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-Original Message-
From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Date: Mon,  7 Dec 2009 08:26:22 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance

I believe it is the doctors/hospitals causing the issues with high insurance. 
Here as a good example... True Story: I have two friends that have children 
that needed/had the same operation. Friend 1 had insurance, Friend 2 did not. 
They went to the same doctors and same hospitals. Friend 1 with insurance was 
charged around $40,000 total for the child's surgery. Friend 2, that did not 
have insurance, told them up front, and the cost was around $15,000 total. 
There were no complications in either case.

I also made a trip to the emergency room a few years ago. I was charged $10 for 
1 Tylenol.

So something smells awful fishy here.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:17:43 -0600

The answer to your first question is our government currently limits where
insurance companies can offer their coverage.  Open up the entire country to
all health insurance companies and you'll see competition increase and
prices decrease.  This is economics 101, but our elected officials can't
seem to get their arms around it...or simply choose not to.

Your second question/point is correct.  Creating a government option will
discourage competition resulting in a single payer system.  With a single
payer system it is my opinion the cost will go up and the services provided
will go down.  

Without competition I see this as the only outcome.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul C Diem
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance

Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded
program will do.

Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets
me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this:

1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the
insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free
enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging
a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a
competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great
$75 billion/year?

2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health
care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry.
How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free
enterprises in any industry?

Paul C Diem
pcd...@foxvalley.net 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance


I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and
not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles.
I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our
health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not
to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up
there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I
had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live 
kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want
any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why
it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of
mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our
health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected.
-RickG


On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote:

 My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care 
 system.  One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare.  
 If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or 
 want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private 
 services.

 That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I 
 am tired of being

Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMappingPrograms...

2009-12-02 Thread eje
On top of it the samsung units play nice together. Got samsung led TV, samsung 
blueray and a samsung soundbar. And wireless subwoffer. Turn on the TV and 
sound and tv comes on, select blueray source and blue ray comes on. Don't 
matter if you use the blue ray remote opr the tv remote. Ahh the relif and ease 
to make all the cool stuff work ubiquisily. 
Out of the box on top of everything (getting spoiled with old age)

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:33:16 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for
MappingPrograms...

We've moved to Samsung monitors.  And the home TV is Samsung too.  I LOVE 
these units.  Much much better on the eyes than anything I've ever used 
short of a good quality CRT.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for 
MappingPrograms...


I have a pair of 48 Vizio LCDs mounted on the wall for various
 infrastructure monitoring using the RGB inputs and a dual output card in a
 Dell desktop. They work pretty well but they both had issues with dim
 picture after about 3 months... Replaced the power outlet to them and the
 warrenty replaced both displays. So far so good for the last year or so.
 Makes it MUCH easier to monitor at a glance critical systems without 
 having
 to use up more of my primary PC's desktop (tri monitor setup)...

 Picture attached - we usually have a number of telemetry monitoring
 applications up...

 On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:

 Agreed, resolution is key for me too.  I keep the right monitor open with
 Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more 
 Winbox
 windows open on it monitoring client routers etc...

 I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have 
 even
 found myself looking for more on occasion!

 We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent 
 resolution,
 but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors.  However, playing any 
 first
 person shooter game is impressive.   LOL!

 My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second
 monitor.  It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of 
 anything
 other than network status information or general web browsing.

 Best,


 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

 I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up
 exponentially in price.  I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller
 resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k.

 I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but 
 I'm
 thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for 
 a
 rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts,
 server

 status, network utilizations, etc.).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

  Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin
  30
  monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of 
  playground.
  grin
 
  Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display
  larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600.   Dang it!
 
 
  Brad
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
 
  You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor?  Until you get the
  technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just
  because you can't read 8pt type!
 
  :)
 
  (Joke)
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of rwf
  Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
 
  WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer
  (assuming
  approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit.
  And whatever their website is done in, does me in.  That initializing
  that
  keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Brad Belton
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over

2009-12-01 Thread eje
Just change the nat to use the other public ip since your already masquerading 
just change that rule to src-nat and set the public ip to src-nat to. 

/Eje
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Subject: [WISPA] suggestions for dual wan dhcp auto fail over
Sent: Dec 1, 2009 15:30

I am trying to configure an rb450 v4.3 to connect to 2 different 
providers with dhcp using 1 as the primary and the other as a backup.
I would like it to switch over to the backup if the primary service is down.
I want to nat local users to either service.

I assume I will need to use netwatch to check the servcie availability 
so I can check all the way thru the providers service and not just the 
local physical connection.

The question is what do I need to do when the primary goes down?
I thought I could just change the distance on the route but I found out 
it will not let you change the distance if the default route is set by 
the dhcp-client.

I have looked at some of the examples on the wiki but they all use 
static ip address and I am wanting to use dhcp.
Anyone have any pointers?

Thanks

LaRoy McCann
Data Technology






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Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread eje
Tell that to Alvarion. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:36:28 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product...

If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless 
of what software you put on top of it.

Travis
Microserv

MDK wrote:
 If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - 
 Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over 
 wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different 
 mode...

 There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has been 
 done by various others in the FreeBSd community, but it is not integrated or 
 packaged as a useful WISP product, and that's what needs to be done.

 This does not need to result in an open source release, due to the relaxed 
 BSD license. Or, it can.   But I'm looking for some people who have 
 experience with freebsd, and have an interest in integrating what could be 
 an awesome performing product using inexpensive commodity hardware.

 email me at pda  at neofast dot net or mark at neofast dot net


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Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-24 Thread eje
Shipment is supposed to arrive tomorrow. Cleared customs thursday last week. 
Was put on truck from CA friday. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:15:28 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

Hey, I have LOTS of UBNT stuff made from unobtanium.  Works very well when
I'm able to find it.  That's quality, boy!





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot 
solid dish w/dual polarity.

Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are

made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium?



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From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

 Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 
 to
 30 dB?

 Phil





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Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas

2009-11-19 Thread eje
Rfantennadesign.com 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:15:32 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas

I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it 
appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now 
gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another 
operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't 
find the new one.

Over the years I've used a number of their antennas, and they were by far, 
the most troublesome I have used.   They were even heavier than the 
pacwireless, and used the same flimsy bracket, with the dipole attached to 
the BRACKET not the dish, and the L shaped bracket would bend in the wind, 
leaving the dish and dipole out of alignment.We actually engineered a 
cable retention system we used on both theirs and PW's large grids to keep 
them pointed properly in high winds.

They finally upgraded to a much heavier gauge bracket, but the design flaw 
remained. Then sometime later, I bought a boxful of 2.4 samples (from 
low to high gain), and found they simply weren't worth messing with.   2 out 
of 5 had bad dipoles - one failed on install, the other failed a few months 
later.The price was very cheap, however.   And, they did appear to have 
roughly the gain they claimed.

I took the dipoles apart and found that the construction was beyond bad. 
They were just crude and poorly constructed and poorly designed in every way 
eXCEPT the dipole printed on a PCB, which was very nicely done.
THAT was my experience with the Equinox branded antennas.

Later, I got quotes from Advanced Antenna, and bought bunch of the j-arm 
universal mounts, which were great.Upon calling back, I got my call 
answered by the same guy who used to be at Equinox...   They raised the 
prices of their antennas above pacwireless, so I never bought a thing from 
them except j arm mounts.

Some of the equinox guys left and started their own company,  and I recall 
they had a new name and new location, but I never bought anything from them, 
since my biggest use of antennas is 5 ghz and theirs cost more than 
Pacwireless.   I no longer recall the name they operated under.

Lately, I've used a bunch of Arcwireless panels with the enclosure on the 
back, and the performance from those has been better than any grids I've 
used.Not to mention that compex finally got their certifications done a 
few years ago and that was the antenna of choice :)

 The 23 db panel gave us better RSSI than a 25 db PW grid for a given 
distance.The 2.4 panel performance is also very good.

We lately used mostly ubiquiti bullets (not hp) for cpe and have gone back 
to the PW grids, because the standalone panel antenna mounts for Arcwireless 
totally suck.They're weak,  clumsy, and even look strange.

THere are two versions of PacWireless 5 ghz grids, there's a wideband and a 
narrow band.The wideband has an attached pigtail, and is cheaper by a 
few bucks.   We've had a number of them that didn't work right, found some 
had the beam off to the side,  or other quirks, like wildly varying RSSI for 
small frequency changes.The narrow band ones have no pigtail, but have 
worked better and more reliably, but we find them VERY hard to waterproof. 
We've found that some of the pigtails built onto the grids have leaked water 
right past the shrink wrap.   A couple of temporary installs we used just 
filled themselves with water, which apparently had to come through the 
sheath of the cable, or through the shrink wrap itself.   Still, we keep 
using them by default, because we haven't found any good alternative.   If 
one of them behaves funny, we just toss it in the van and use it in some 
location that's real short distance and the gain or odd beam isn't an issue. 
Still, the water issue was a problem that I am extremely concerned about, 
though the failure rate has been small and only affects a few recent 
installs.

I got some ignition spec dielectric grease and filled the connector with it 
and it's been fine ever since...  the temp install has now made it through 
several more driving rainstorms with no issue, when it failed on the FIRST 
big rain this summer.







--
From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:16 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4 gig grid antennas

 Try Advanced Antenna... I've sold a few and have not heard any 
 complaints...
 have not seen them myself though.

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 24dB 2.4

Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

2009-11-18 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Or change the clients channel first before you change the AP... Also in WDS
slave mode the client will automatically follow the AP

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds.
He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came 
up with the idea of using wds to get them service.
It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds 
client will not change automatically.  You have to go out and manually 
change the client's channel.  A real pain.

LaRoy McCann

Robert West wrote:
 I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection
on
 the Nanostation and how are you using them?  I have never utilized it but
 last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to
their
 service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and
 putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me.  Was concerned
 though about creating headaches.  I have enough already.

 Any thoughts?

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Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

2009-11-18 Thread eje
At one point I was desperate and used some cat3 keystones with cat5 cabling 
worked fine for some of the short runs I did but one of the runs was almost 
100ft and I had to force the network card into 10mbit mode to be able to get 
any communication going through that link (it would auto neg at 100 but I could 
get and data through). 6mo later we replaced the computer and couldn't get data 
com going on the new computer for a long while until I finally remembered that 
I had used the cat3 keystones and replaced them and things was working again. A 
Pain in the rear will never do that again. Might be able to make it work NOW 
but later when equipment is replaced and it isn't working will you remember 
what you don't and get it working quickly again?
Not worth considering in the long run if you ask me. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:06:37 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps.
My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+
on cat 3? Not according to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an
animal exists, I could use it, which is why I asked.
We may be in game of semantics here. Can you get 100Mbps? I suppose a short
cable on the bench might do it but not in the field reliably. In my
experience, in order to get a reliable connection over cat 3, I had to lock
down the switch ports to 10Mbps. I would never claim to know it all but I've
been around the block a time or two. The windings are to cancel out EMF
which can cause errors that affect speed due to transmission retries. The
speed capability of a cable is due to the quality of its wire rating -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable
Obviously, by utilizing more that 2 pair, you can do some interesting
things.
-RickG


On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair.  Transmit and receive.  Can
 easily do 100mbps.  You could even get it to do gigabit with not much
 effort.  No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems come from
 the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has made.  Most
 phone line isn't clean like a network cable you would run.  Who knows
 where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if they stick
 with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure.  If it was the best
 option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on its face.

 There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in the
 home and you could also use the phones with the things connected.  That was
 in the late 1990's, early 2000.  Some Gateway desktops came with them.  I
 never saw them used though.

 Bob-




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references
 to the standard being 10Mbps:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
 Any examples?

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote:

  With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire!
 
  -Kevin
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
   100Mbps on cat 3? Really?
  
   On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
   forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
  
   We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
   My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the
 same
   as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line?
   Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring
 is
   virtually unused.
  
   Thanks,
   Forbes
  
  
  
  
 

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] T1 pci card

2009-11-18 Thread eje
Your not saying what you plan to use the card with. Digium have some nice T1 
cards at affordable price and some other are listed on Asterisk supported 
hardware that are affordable. But none of those are supported by MikroTik or 
Imagestream. If your using a DIY router running linux you could make those 
work. Since I know a lot ot people use MikroTik I assume that is what your 
doing but last I checked there was no new affordable cards supported by MT 
unless you consider $1k affordable and those cards are since discontinued and 
only new card I could find that supported that is still sold new is disgusting 
expensive ($2k+ for single port).  

/Eje
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Subject: [WISPA] T1 pci card
Sent: Nov 18, 2009 10:13

Anyone know where (if?) I can get a PCI card to connect to a T1 for less 
than the $400 or so I have found on my own?

I'd like to Integrate some of my equipment and eliminate a cisco 2610 
that's really doing nothing but converting my T1 to an ethernet port.

It's no worth $400 to do this however...

Jason



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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

2009-11-15 Thread eje
Would be nice if we choose what post to reply to especially when the post is. 
7+ days old to begin with and been discussed in detail over that time. 
Especially when input is just personal opinion and not a solution to a problem. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:06:47 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Shouldn't be any extra time on billing, tracking, analyzing, the billing system 
that does all of the other automation in the company should do that as well.


-
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From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:39 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing


Marlon,

With thousands of wireless users, I think our unlimited eat all you want is 
working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors (DSL, wireless, 
cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly. You are brining in $1k 
extra per month... but it would be interesting to see how much extra time is 
being spent on that system... including the billing, phone calls, tracking, 
analyzing, etc.

You would be better off to just upgrade those higher usage customers to a 
more expensive monthly plan, and stop worrying about billing for overage. You 
would make more profit each month by doing so.

Travis
Microserv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 
http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html

We've done this for years.  Brandon Checkalets built the software that we 
use.

We bill on usage.  Lowish base price, but relatively high overage fees.  We 
bill out about $1k per month in overages.

Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month.

We have lost a few customers due to this.  But they are net negative 
customers so I don't mind.  After all, there are two main goals in business. 
One, turn a profit, two, make sure your competition doesn't.  Loosing 
someone that's pulling 20+ gigs per month certainly isn't helping my 
competition's services at all!

We just compare the billing mechanism to things people are already paying as 
they go.  Stuff like gas, food, electricity, cell phone minutes, clothes, 
water, tires, um, everything else in life!  If they are really sharp I'll 
explain how the all you can eat all of the time only works if there is a 
monopoly with artificially high prices for everyone else.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing


  We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure
with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I don't
want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when
the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
the network.



Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
customers responses?

What are your tiers?

Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?



We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the
letter saying we are doing it and why.



Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200




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Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

2009-11-12 Thread eje
Middle next week or at worst end of. Next week. 

Keep an eye on our twitter page for updates (twitter.com/wisprouter) . 

/Eje 

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-Original Message-
From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:18:01 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org; 
n...@brevardwireless.comn...@brevardwireless.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

I have been hearing 'bout that '1-2 week period' for about 10 weeks now.

Ryan



On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- 
micro.com wrote:

 Wlanparts has it.  I also got an email from Ben over at Ubiquiti who  
 says
 ...the big volumes haven't landed yet...There are some that have  
 hit over
 the past couple of days, but the big volumes will be hitting in that  
 1-2
 week period.

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of Nick Olsen
 Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

 Where from?
 Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

 The boat has arrived..!  Shesh  I was able to order so
 much
 that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of Data Technology
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

 I think they need a bigger boat!!

 Robert West wrote:
 Yeah, but I call them by a different name,
 Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure.   It's gotten to the point
 that
 my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than  
 what it
 has
 been substituted for.  *sigh*

 Word has it they're on the boat.  Always on the boat.

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

 Need NS2's anyone have them?



 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through  
 experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


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 gone before, making it work and storming the path.

 I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to  
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 To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi!

 God bless,
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[WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

2009-11-11 Thread Eje Gustafsson
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Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

2009-11-11 Thread eje
Yes a rb450g works great. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:36:24 
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ?

Thanks. 


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G

I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think
about it answer.

1. Ability to label ports
2. Ability to label vlans
3. Ability to disable a port

All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware
size to implement.

In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome
switch.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General
List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

There are several classes of VLAN switches.

I'll use SMC as an example...

1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very 

intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each 

port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their
Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc.  They allow every thing to be done. 
But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself,  its easy to
configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They
make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end
location switches.

2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with
VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual 

purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They 

lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or
disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN
functionality is enabled by making it aware.
It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because 

the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this.

SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional,
but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as
described in #2 above.
But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give 

them a step up over other basic web switch products.
Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF 

ports.

I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that 

had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be
labled in software.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message -
From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, 
 Management
is
 a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such.
 They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long.

 Nick Olsen
 Brevard Wireless
 (321) 205-1100 x106


 

 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches

 I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches.
 They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas 
 heat.

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 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036

 


 
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Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

2009-11-11 Thread eje
That is my take on it and what the author of the article hints about. 
Cisco started in on the server market earlier this year where HP is big. HP now 
get more serious about networking and expand product offering. 3com is also 
pretty successful in China so would assume buying 3com will give HP access and 
control of 3coms Chines channel as well. HP hitting back against Cisco and 3com 
might not be the last acquisition in the close future.  The fight might just 
have finished round 2. 

/Eje 
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-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:42:03 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

Market share?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln

This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could
answer this question:

What does 3com have that prospective buyers want?

On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
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