[WISPA] Form 477 Reports Due September 1st
The deadline for filing your Form 477 reports is rapidly approaching. Below are several links to assist you. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ Form 477 Resources for Filers - FCC www.fcc.gov/form477/Share Jul 5, 2012 - Form 477 Resources for Filers. ... Activities / Broadband Data and Reporting Resources (FCC Form 477) Form 477 ... Form 477 System Guide ... http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/inst.htm FCC Form 477 FCC Form 477 collects information about broadband connections ... https://specialreports.fcc.gov/wcb/Form477/%20 FCC Form 477 - Local ... Announcing a new FCC.gov. Tell us what you think and help ... http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477inst.pdf Instructions 1. FCC Form 477. Approved by OMB. Filing due 9/1/2012 ... http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/techfaqs.html Technical FAQs FCC Form 477 Technical Frequently Asked Questions ... http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477systemguide.pdf Form 477 System Guide Form 477 System Guide. 2/17/2010 iii. 3.18 Printing, Checking ... http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf Form 477 Tutorial Completing and Filing FCC Form 477. Overview. . This ... https://www.google.com/search?hl=enrlz=1C1TSNF_enUS465US465q=+site:fcc.go v+fcc+form+477+instructionssa=Xei=m-MzUJ8jwuvKAZudgZAIved=0CEMQrAM More results from fcc.gov Chuck Hogg also has a quick resource to help: http://477.shelbybb.com/ Several of the Billing Software companies also have 477 reporting functionality. I'm not sure which ones, I'll let other members contribute. http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Reports Due September 1st
Powercode has a one click button for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: The deadline for filing your Form 477 reports is rapidly approaching. Below are several links to assist you. ** ** *Form 477* Resources for Filers - *FCC* http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ www.*fcc*.gov/*form477*/Share Jul 5, 2012 – *Form 477* Resources for Filers. *...* Activities / Broadband Data and Reporting Resources (*FCC Form 477*) *Form 477* *...* *Form 477* System *Guide* *...* FCC Form 477 http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/inst.htm FCC Form 477 collects information about broadband connections *...* FCC Form 477 - Local ... https://specialreports.fcc.gov/wcb/Form477/%20* *** Announcing a new FCC.gov. Tell us what you think and help *...* Instructions http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477inst.pdf 1. FCC Form 477. Approved by OMB. Filing due 9/1/2012 *...* Technical FAQs http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/techfaqs.html FCC Form 477 Technical Frequently Asked Questions *...* Form 477 System Guidehttp://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477systemguide.pdf Form 477 System Guide. 2/17/2010 iii. 3.18 Printing, Checking *...* Form 477 Tutorial http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf Completing and Filing FCC Form 477. Overview. • This *...* More results from fcc.gov »https://www.google.com/search?hl=enrlz=1C1TSNF_enUS465US465q=+site:fcc.gov+fcc+form+477+instructionssa=Xei=m-MzUJ8jwuvKAZudgZAIved=0CEMQrAM ** ** Chuck Hogg also has a quick resource to help: http://477.shelbybb.com/*** * ** ** Several of the Billing Software companies also have 477 reporting functionality. I’m not sure which ones, I’ll let other members contribute. ** ** *Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way * ** ** Respectfully,** * * *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) ** ** ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Form 477 Reports Due Sept. 1st
This is a reminder that the FCC Form 477 Report is due September 1st. All broadband service providers, (telecommunications, cable, and broadband over power line providers) must report broadband services by census tract, type of technology, and upload and download speeds on the FCC's Form 477. The Form 477 is due twice a year - in March and September. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ File https://specialreports.fcc.gov/wcb/Form477/ Online Tutorial http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf Technical http://www.fcc.gov/form477/techfaqs.html FAQ This is not an invitation to discuss the politics which created this law. It is a law that Broadband Providers need to abide by. Providers that do not abide by this law are more at risk of subsidized overbuild through Broadband Stimulus Grants and other funded sources. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Survey results from a couple of months ago
a couple of months ago I put a survey up about form 477. Last week someone emailed and asked about final results. following is the raw data. I don't think there is any identifying information that will upset anyone, if there is, my sincere apologies Link to the origional survey is http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3RZTC9F Customer Base Subscribers File Want Help Increasing 500 Yes Increasing 3500 Yes Increasing 200 No Increasing 450 Late Increasing 1100 Yes Increasing 150 Late Increasing 2015 Yes Increasing 250 Yes Increasing 1 No Increasing 700 No Increasing 110 No Increasing 1800 Yes Increasing 380 No Increasing 2577 Late Increasing 5000 No Increasing 2700 Yes Increasing 1800 No Increasing 1175 Yes Decreasing 200 Late Increasing 2000 Late Increasing 310 Yes Increasing 250 What Yes Increasing 685 Yes Yes Increasing 150 No Yes Increasing 350 Yes Increasing 1100 Yes No Increasing 629 No Yes Increasing 380 Late Increasing No Yes Increasing 400 No Yes Increasing 400 Yes Increasing 1300 Yes Increasing 200 Yes Increasing 2025 Late Yes Decreasing 240 No No Increasing 560 Late Decreasing 400 No No Increasing 600 No Yes Increasing 30 Yes Increasing 200 No Yes Increasing 2100 Yes Decreasing 4028 Yes Increasing 180 Yes Increasing 2490 Yes Yes Increasing 500 No Yes Increasing 1300 No Yes Increasing 1600 Yes Increasing 4500 Late Increasing 1000 No Yes Increasing 560 Late Increasing 500 Yes Increasing 220 No Yes Increasing 130 No Yes Increasing 200 Yes Increasing 530 No Yes Decreasing 15 No No Increasing 500 Late Yes Increasing 2300 No No Increasing 2600 Late Yes Increasing 300 No No Increasing 700 Late Increasing 57 No Yes Increasing 602 Yes Increasing 600 Yes Increasing 1500 Yes Increasing 425 No Yes Increasing 300 Yes Yes Increasing 1634 Yes Increasing 4500 Yes Increasing 3520 No No Increasing 1400 Yes No Increasing 50 No Yes Decreasing 300 Yes Increasing 435 No Yes Increasing 210 Yes 679 No Yes Increasing 1100 Yes Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477
I know it's not Form 477 panic season, but I am just working on a few items in my database to get a cleaner count next time, and I ran across something I had not noticed before. http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf On page 26, it instructs: Include census tracts within your defined service territory (see instructions) that have no broadband customers. - Enter 0 in any cell that permits connections and also in the corresponding cell for percentage residential Anyone doing this? This goes beyond what we've been doing, and would seem to require some more advanced coverage mapping to not only find our existing customers by census tract, but also all census tracts we CAN serve. I believe this same data is what he broadband mapping folks will be looking for as well. I guess I need to go see instructions to find out what exactly service territory means. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Utility - futher notes
Just wanted to add a couple more things to be aware of. The csv files should not have around the values. They should be: first,last,address,city,state,zip for the desktop geocoder and: first,last,address,city,state,zip,lat,lon,up_rate,dn_rate,tech_code for the upload file. XL and Open office try to export to CSV with around the fields unless you specify not to have them. Also, if you are submitting pre-geocoded data, make sure that before exporting your csv from a spreadsheet to format the lat, lon columns to be a decimal with 5 places after the decimal point. I know open office cuts off the last 3 places in the default format so that lat/lons came out like 42.35 and -96.21. This is not enough accuracy for proper tract referencing. If you get an http error when trying to submit, send me an email (cc...@wispmon.com) and I'll tell you what is wrong. Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477
This is a reminder to file your form 477. It was pretty easy this time, I just had to geocode new customers and note what tracts where I lost customers... then I just copied the cells over from the last filing, making adjustments as necessary. Maybe WISPA should have an auto reminder each time the 477 is due. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477
So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
Microsoft Mappoint. After further reading of the FCC site, I see that the electronic filing version is not available. I thought the deadline was March 2nd...? Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
Victoria, I assume you saw the Announcement about the extension. If you did not, let me know and I will resend it to you. It looks like they just updated the form today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Microsoft Mappoint. After further reading of the FCC site, I see that the electronic filing version is not available. I thought the deadline was March 2nd...? Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
Thanks Rick...just saw it, lol. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Victoria, I assume you saw the Announcement about the extension. If you did not, let me know and I will resend it to you. It looks like they just updated the form today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Microsoft Mappoint. After further reading of the FCC site, I see that the electronic filing version is not available. I thought the deadline was March 2nd...? Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Victoria Rural Missouri Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Sure I'm trolling, Ryan. Just name for me the last ten successful small electric utility startups. See if you can find for me the last ten ILEC's to start up as a small business. And name for me the last 10 cities you know of with competitive water or sewage companies. And then remind me again why it's good that we become a regulated public utility? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? Because I serve the public? Because that is how I was able to get my franchise with the gov't for right of way access. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
delete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I'm trolling, Ryan. Just name for me the last ten successful small electric utility startups. See if you can find for me the last ten ILEC's to start up as a small business. And name for me the last 10 cities you know of with competitive water or sewage companies. And then remind me again why it's good that we become a regulated public utility? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? Because I serve the public? Because that is how I was able to get my franchise with the gov't for right of way access. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Jack Unger wrote: delete That only works if you do it silently. By publicly posting that you're deleting an email, you in fact draw more attention to it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Agreed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due Jack Unger wrote: delete That only works if you do it silently. By publicly posting that you're deleting an email, you in fact draw more attention to it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Thanks David E. Smith wrote: Jack Unger wrote: delete That only works if you do it silently. By publicly posting that you're deleting an email, you in fact draw more attention to it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Then I guess you do not want to evolve into a public utility. Too bad, as the rest of the WISP industry is becoming defacto public utility. You really need to become familiar with the principle of common carriage. The legal doctrine can be traced clear back to the Roman Empire. Personally I want the sanction and protection of the king, but in exchange I must be a good steward and must comply with some regulation. So, I will be granted a fiefdom and rogues will be assimilated. Who else serves around Milton Freewater? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due This is an excerpt from a comment filed by a state representative from Kansas: As a state policy-maker attempting to develop incentives that will induce broadband providers (particularly the larger DSL and cable companies) to use multiple technologies to reach beyond city limits, FCC data providing greater specificity about which potential customers are adversely impacted by the digital divide and left without a viable option for service would be invaluable. That ought to turn your stomach into knots. Let me interpret it... We want detailed data, so we can help,cajole, coerce, or bribe the big guys into universal coverage. This is not a question of the FCC determining how broadband is being deployed. This is a matter of us being required to provide the data so that public money can be used to benefit the politically connected. My comments to the FCC... As a small businessman, one of the ways that we exist, is by being flexible and by offering services in an ad-hoc basis that larger, inflexible entities don't. Often, small businesses are purely based upon market need. Individuals find a need and fill it. And we do so in our own town, or neighborhood, or in the areas near where we live. One of the most critical efforts that small business people undertake, is to determine if there's a large enough market for what they want to do. Often, little funding is available for this, and they substitute days, weeks, or even months of time and personal effort instead of hiring research companies or marketing consultants, or buying the data outright. In the case of a wireless ISP, for instance, one of the most critical elements for success, is to map out an area, and then begin building out a network. Many such WISP's are one or two man operations, and start with minimal capital, usually enough to get started and operate in a limited area for a short period of time. Then, funding from operations then provides capital for expansion and improvement of infrastructure. During this phase of the life of a WISP, the financial situation is generally very fragile, and a loss of markets to move into will generally cause business failure. If WISP's are required to do even MORE work, such as finding census borders and maintaining massive and detailed databases of location etc, and the purpose of that work is to give free assistance to competitors to show them where to take your markets away from you, this effort is 100% counterproductive. Not only do the results hurt you, but the time it takes away from a small businessman often comes at the expense of operations, expansion, or even quality of service. Perhaps people who sit behind desks in Washington DC don't care about anything but press releases where they get to praise themselves and get lauded on TV, but for those of us who risk our life's savings and often years of our lives building a business by bootstrap have a LOT more at stake than a transitory and soon forgotten political posture by some appointed or hired public employee. So, as a small businessman, I cannot state how incredibly wrong ALL of this is, and that IN NO WAY should the FCC be in the business of deliberating wasting the time, money, and resources of small business people solely for the purpose of harming their future. So, in closing, I state for the record, there is no good aspect the collection of detailed information. It is not and has never been the business of Congress or the FCC to provide broadband. That's being done by thousands of hard working people who have risked everything they have to try to make it happen. It seems worse than Machiavellian, then, for the FCC to demand that these people then waste thier time, money, and energy, in an effort where the only result possible, is to harm them. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due I'm going to ask that we oppose this in its entirety, due to it giving away information we really don't need given away. Whatever your take
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
What Ironic about the State rep's comments was If they got the availabilty information from providers, why would it be invaluable, if the intent to use the data was to let providers know where areas are under served? THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DATA YOU COLLECTED IT FROM THEM!!! DUH!!! There is a flip side though. One of the most common occurances is, LECs and Cable Cos selectively picking when and where to serve someone or not, regardless of whether they could. If the LECs and CableCos, were required to report who they said qualified it is a mechanism to hold them accountable for when they do not. Whether from the perspective of False advertising, or not honoring their monopoly/franchise obligations to serve. The missing point is, SMALL PROVIDERS DONT HAVE THE INFORMATION. The prupose should be to gather the information from incumbents, and given to competitor providers so that they can go after these less advantageous areas that nobody else wants. What should be provided is that everytime a cable co or LECs gets a lead they can't serve, they should be required to report that they have declined to serve, and anytime a subscriber gets a response that they can't get served, there needs to be a place to record this information and make it known they desire to be served. This should be the mechanism to inform competition. And use the information to establish Grant programs for small Providers. The big mistake the government is making is they are trying to track where there IS broadband. What they should be trying to track is where there is NOT broadband. They should be tracking, anywhere (ZIP CODE), that there is recorded to be an underserved person, the area should be considered underserved. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due This is an excerpt from a comment filed by a state representative from Kansas: As a state policy-maker attempting to develop incentives that will induce broadband providers (particularly the larger DSL and cable companies) to use multiple technologies to reach beyond city limits, FCC data providing greater specificity about which potential customers are adversely impacted by the digital divide and left without a viable option for service would be invaluable. That ought to turn your stomach into knots. Let me interpret it... We want detailed data, so we can help,cajole, coerce, or bribe the big guys into universal coverage. This is not a question of the FCC determining how broadband is being deployed. This is a matter of us being required to provide the data so that public money can be used to benefit the politically connected. My comments to the FCC... As a small businessman, one of the ways that we exist, is by being flexible and by offering services in an ad-hoc basis that larger, inflexible entities don't. Often, small businesses are purely based upon market need. Individuals find a need and fill it. And we do so in our own town, or neighborhood, or in the areas near where we live. One of the most critical efforts that small business people undertake, is to determine if there's a large enough market for what they want to do. Often, little funding is available for this, and they substitute days, weeks, or even months of time and personal effort instead of hiring research companies or marketing consultants, or buying the data outright. In the case of a wireless ISP, for instance, one of the most critical elements for success, is to map out an area, and then begin building out a network. Many such WISP's are one or two man operations, and start with minimal capital, usually enough to get started and operate in a limited area for a short period of time. Then, funding from operations then provides capital for expansion and improvement of infrastructure. During this phase of the life of a WISP, the financial situation is generally very fragile, and a loss of markets to move into will generally cause business failure. If WISP's are required to do even MORE work, such as finding census borders and maintaining massive and detailed databases of location etc, and the purpose of that work is to give free assistance to competitors to show them where to take your markets away from you, this effort is 100% counterproductive. Not only do the results hurt you, but the time it takes away from a small businessman often comes at the expense of operations, expansion, or even quality of service. Perhaps people who sit behind desks in Washington DC don't care about anything but press releases where they get to praise themselves and get lauded on TV, but for those of us who risk our life's savings and often years of our lives building a business by bootstrap have
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Tom, I agree with all your comments but this one: They should be tracking, anywhere (ZIP CODE), that there is recorded to be an underserved person, the area should be considered underserved. It needs to go beyond the zipcode(I understand the FCC wants this now, and will be heck for all of us)! In my area, I am seeing the local incumbent rural telco serve two or three people to satisfy a ZIPCODE is offered broadband service. AlthoughI know the new reporting requirements the FCC wants can be a PITA to me, it might actually help in my situation. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:54:04 -0500 What Ironic about the State rep's comments was If they got the availabilty information from providers, why would it be invaluable, if the intent to use the data was to let providers know where areas are under served? THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DATA YOU COLLECTED IT FROM THEM!!! DUH!!! There is a flip side though. One of the most common occurances is, LECs and Cable Cos selectively picking when and where to serve someone or not, regardless of whether they could. If the LECs and CableCos, were required to report who they said qualified it is a mechanism to hold them accountable for when they do not. Whether from the perspective of False advertising, or not honoring their monopoly/franchise obligations to serve. The missing point is, SMALL PROVIDERS DONT HAVE THE INFORMATION. The prupose should be to gather the information from incumbents, and given to competitor providers so that they can go after these less advantageous areas that nobody else wants. What should be provided is that everytime a cable co or LECs gets a lead they can't serve, they should be required to report that they have declined to serve, and anytime a subscriber gets a response that they can't get served, there needs to be a place to record this information and make it known they desire to be served. This should be the mechanism to inform competition. And use the information to establish Grant programs for small Providers. The big mistake the government is making is they are trying to track where there IS broadband. What they should be trying to track is where there is NOT broadband. They should be tracking, anywhere (ZIP CODE), that there is recorded to be an underserved person, the area should be considered underserved. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due This is an excerpt from a comment filed by a state representative from Kansas: As a state policy-maker attempting to develop incentives that will induce broadband providers (particularly the larger DSL and cable companies) to use multiple technologies to reach beyond city limits, FCC data providing greater specificity about which potential customers are adversely impacted by the digital divide and left without a viable option for service would be invaluable. That ought to turn your stomach into knots. Let me interpret it... We want detailed data, so we can help,cajole, coerce, or bribe the big guys into universal coverage. This is not a question of the FCC determining how broadband is being deployed. This is a matter of us being required to provide the data so that public money can be used to benefit the politically connected. My comments to the FCC... As a small businessman, one of the ways that we exist, is by being flexible and by offering services in an ad-hoc basis that larger, inflexible entities don't. Often, small businesses are purely based upon market need. Individuals find a need and fill it. And we do so in our own town, or neighborhood, or in the areas near where we live. One of the most critical efforts that small business people undertake, is to determine if there's a large enough market for what they want to do. Often, little funding is available for this, and they substitute days, weeks, or even months of time and personal effort instead of hiring research companies or marketing consultants, or buying the data outright. In the case of a wireless ISP, for instance, one of the most critical elements for success, is to map out an area, and then begin building out a network. Many such WISP's are one or two man operations, and start with minimal capital, usually enough to get started and operate in a limited area for a short period of time. Then, funding from operations then provides capital for expansion and improvement of infrastructure. During this phase of the life of a WISP, the financial situation is generally very fragile, and a loss of markets to move into will generally cause business failure
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? There are no small businesses in the public utility sector. There are no small business entries into the public utility sector. There is no innovation in the public utility sector. Public utilities are the least competitive and efficient businesses and means of service delivery. Why do you want to be put out of business? If you become a regulated public utility, 99% of all WISP's will be GONE. What a way to promote industry health and speak for WISP's insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due Then I guess you do not want to evolve into a public utility. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Now I see the motivation. Money. Fast, easy, unearned, grant money from the taxpayers. I am disgusted to my core. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due This should be the mechanism to inform competition. And use the information to establish Grant programs for small Providers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
You are sooo mis informed. There are thousands of small businesses, mom and pop telcos in this nation. Best business in the world. We do FTTH in the most rural areas of the nation. No innovation? You are an ignorant person. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? There are no small businesses in the public utility sector. There are no small business entries into the public utility sector. There is no innovation in the public utility sector. Public utilities are the least competitive and efficient businesses and means of service delivery. Why do you want to be put out of business? If you become a regulated public utility, 99% of all WISP's will be GONE. What a way to promote industry health and speak for WISP's insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due Then I guess you do not want to evolve into a public utility. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
delete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I see the motivation. Money. Fast, easy, unearned, grant money from the taxpayers. I am disgusted to my core. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due This should be the mechanism to inform competition. And use the information to establish Grant programs for small Providers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why on earth would you want to be a public utility? Because I serve the public? Because that is how I was able to get my franchise with the gov't for right of way access. There are no small businesses in the public utility sector. I am in the public utility sector, am I too big? There are no small business entries into the public utility sector. My business is a small business. There is no innovation in the public utility sector. I think I am pretty innovative. Public utilities are the least competitive and efficient businesses and means of service delivery. What? Why do you want to be put out of business? I don't at this point, but maybe sometime in the future. If you become a regulated public utility, 99% of all WISP's will be GONE. I don't think I represent 99% of all WISPs. At this point I think we all need to just stop feeding the troll. FWIW, I am pretty much done responding to this troll. ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
Dear Members and NonMembers: For those that may be filing comment on the Form 477 NPRM, please be reminded that comments on the Section IV(B), which seeks comment on the adoption of a national broadband mapping program and the Commission's tentative conclusion that the Commission collect information that providers use to respond to prospective customers to determine on an address-by-address basis whether service is available, are due on July 17 (replies due on Aug. 1). Comments on the other sections of the NPRM (reporting number of lines and channels, delivered speed information gathering, broadband price information, preserving confidentiality and broadband customer surveys) are due on Aug. 1 (replies due Sept. 1). This is Docket Number 07-38 and I have attached the NPRM pdf. You can go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi to file your comments online. This reminder was sent from Ron Harden of VoxCorp. Thank you Ron. Respectfully, Rick Harnish DA-08-1586A1.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
I'm going to ask that we oppose this in its entirety, due to it giving away information we really don't need given away. Whatever your take... please file. ... something. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA's FCC Committee' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due Dear Members and NonMembers: For those that may be filing comment on the Form 477 NPRM, please be reminded that comments on the Section IV(B), which seeks comment on the adoption of a national broadband mapping program and the Commission's tentative conclusion that the Commission collect information that providers use to respond to prospective customers to determine on an address-by-address basis whether service is available, are due on July 17 (replies due on Aug. 1). Comments on the other sections of the NPRM (reporting number of lines and channels, delivered speed information gathering, broadband price information, preserving confidentiality and broadband customer surveys) are due on Aug. 1 (replies due Sept. 1). This is Docket Number 07-38 and I have attached the NPRM pdf. You can go to http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi to file your comments online. This reminder was sent from Ron Harden of VoxCorp. Thank you Ron. Respectfully, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due
This is an excerpt from a comment filed by a state representative from Kansas: As a state policy-maker attempting to develop incentives that will induce broadband providers (particularly the larger DSL and cable companies) to use multiple technologies to reach beyond city limits, FCC data providing greater specificity about which potential customers are adversely impacted by the digital divide and left without a viable option for service would be invaluable. That ought to turn your stomach into knots. Let me interpret it... We want detailed data, so we can help,cajole, coerce, or bribe the big guys into universal coverage. This is not a question of the FCC determining how broadband is being deployed. This is a matter of us being required to provide the data so that public money can be used to benefit the politically connected. My comments to the FCC... As a small businessman, one of the ways that we exist, is by being flexible and by offering services in an ad-hoc basis that larger, inflexible entities don't. Often, small businesses are purely based upon market need. Individuals find a need and fill it. And we do so in our own town, or neighborhood, or in the areas near where we live. One of the most critical efforts that small business people undertake, is to determine if there's a large enough market for what they want to do. Often, little funding is available for this, and they substitute days, weeks, or even months of time and personal effort instead of hiring research companies or marketing consultants, or buying the data outright. In the case of a wireless ISP, for instance, one of the most critical elements for success, is to map out an area, and then begin building out a network. Many such WISP's are one or two man operations, and start with minimal capital, usually enough to get started and operate in a limited area for a short period of time. Then, funding from operations then provides capital for expansion and improvement of infrastructure. During this phase of the life of a WISP, the financial situation is generally very fragile, and a loss of markets to move into will generally cause business failure. If WISP's are required to do even MORE work, such as finding census borders and maintaining massive and detailed databases of location etc, and the purpose of that work is to give free assistance to competitors to show them where to take your markets away from you, this effort is 100% counterproductive. Not only do the results hurt you, but the time it takes away from a small businessman often comes at the expense of operations, expansion, or even quality of service. Perhaps people who sit behind desks in Washington DC don't care about anything but press releases where they get to praise themselves and get lauded on TV, but for those of us who risk our life's savings and often years of our lives building a business by bootstrap have a LOT more at stake than a transitory and soon forgotten political posture by some appointed or hired public employee. So, as a small businessman, I cannot state how incredibly wrong ALL of this is, and that IN NO WAY should the FCC be in the business of deliberating wasting the time, money, and resources of small business people solely for the purpose of harming their future. So, in closing, I state for the record, there is no good aspect the collection of detailed information. It is not and has never been the business of Congress or the FCC to provide broadband. That's being done by thousands of hard working people who have risked everything they have to try to make it happen. It seems worse than Machiavellian, then, for the FCC to demand that these people then waste thier time, money, and energy, in an effort where the only result possible, is to harm them. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 NPRM Comments Due I'm going to ask that we oppose this in its entirety, due to it giving away information we really don't need given away. Whatever your take... please file. ... something. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Due Tuesday
These forms are due Sept 4th. The form required for this filing is at HYPERLINK http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477.xlshttp://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/4 77.xls and the detailed reporting instructions are at HYPERLINK http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdfhttp://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form 477/477instr.pdf. The required Certification Statement is at HYPERLINK http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/form477/certificationstatement.pdfhttp://www.f cc.gov/wcb/iatd/form477/certificationstatement.pdf or can be found on page 14 of the instructions file. A set of frequently asked questions (FAQs) is available at HYPERLINK http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.htmlhttp://www.fcc.gov/bro adband/broadband_data_faq.html. IMPORTANT REMINDERS FOR FCC FORM 477 FILERS: 1) If you do not see your holding company name listed within the drop-down list for Cover Page question #3 or if your holding company name has changed or edits need to be made to the holding company name, please contact Suzanne Mendez via email at HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] or directly by phone at (202) 418-0941.Please use the drop-down box to select the appropriate holding company name. This will make it easier for all affiliated entities to use exactly the same name - including punctuation - when answering Cover Page question #3. 2) For spreadsheet rows where you are reporting data in Form 477 column (a), please be sure to completely answer all the other Form 477 questions across that row - for example, Form 477 questions (b) through (j) in Part I.A and in Part II of the form - placing a 0% in data cells where a zero applies versus leaving that data cell blank. But keep in mind that you may leave the entire row blank if the correct answer to Form 477 column (a) is zero. 3) If a revised Form 477 is submitted after the filing due date of September 4, 2007, it should not show Original Filing as the answer to Cover Page question #7. Instead, that answer should be changed from Original Filing to Revised Filing1. Please make note of the Example filename provided on the Cover Page and save the form using the filename as indicated by the Example. If you have any questions about how to complete and/or file Form 477 after you have reviewed the reporting instructions and Form 477 FAQs, or if you are not able to download the form, please direct your questions to HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] or to a member of the FCC Form 477 Team at (202) 418-0940. Thank you. Sincerely, Suzanne Mendez FCC Form 477 Team Member Respectfully, Rick Harnish No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/981 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 6:13 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
David E. Smith wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. Microsoft Office, while not necessarily the best software, is a /de facto/ standard, and keeping a copy around is, I'd argue, just a cost of doing business. I disagree of course. OpenOffice works just fine for sharing documents with other Office users. Sometimes like in this case, complicated Office files that are interactive don't work. In all of those cases --including this one-- a workaround was offered. I don't really have a problem with the price of Office; just the monopoly. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Forbes Mercy wrote: I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't Hey Mr Rabble Rouser, Stirring the pot is a good thing, makes us all think a little harder. But I would never vote for kicking out or denying membership to wisps or manufacturers because they don't comply. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
He ain't lying. I just filled out my first ever 477 and it took exactly 10 minutes. I filled in like 15 fields and hit send. I might have don't it wrong but oh well. At least I did it. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
The time is not filling out the form, its compiling the data to put into it :-) That took me two hours. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today He ain't lying. I just filled out my first ever 477 and it took exactly 10 minutes. I filled in like 15 fields and hit send. I might have don't it wrong but oh well. At least I did it. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Guys, It's pretty late for this in EST but for those in the West coast: Page 14 of the Instructions for the Signed statement form Page 11 of the same doc for the instructions on where to send and how. Go here for it, though I suppose everyone already has it: http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf Mario Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Oh well, better I did something than nothing like the last time. Brian Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
signal levels Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
As long as we're in a mood today. Have you gotten those signal levels for me yet? And I need my radio back for an install booked for tomorrow. I'm totally out of long and short range kits again! 6 or 7 installs on the books for the next two days! Hhhlll lol marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Oh well, better I did something than nothing like the last time. Brian Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. We are doing what 75% of our industry aren't - we file our report, end of argument until they get uptight and make a point of enforcing it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. -Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. We are doing what 75% of our industry aren't - we file our report, end of argument until they get uptight and make a point of enforcing it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Matt Liotta wrote: I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. Microsoft Office, while not necessarily the best software, is a /de facto/ standard, and keeping a copy around is, I'd argue, just a cost of doing business. Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. But that does lead to an interesting side question (to which I don't have the answer): Do they actually count the results of spreadsheets that don't include the signed certification statement? They do at least some correlation between the two - a year ago, I emailed the form, and UPS'ed the signature sheet. They received the signature but said they couldn't find the spreadsheet and asked me to re-send it. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:37:53 -0500, Matt Liotta wrote I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. I complained to the list at the first filing date, which got me a revised .xls which didn't work either... Go figure. The FCC now requires you to buy MS Office to fill out their forms... (arrrggghhh). Or not. Whatever the case, it complained that the form was protected and that opening it was not allowed. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
That is a good idea, but why not be proactive and let the FCC know the concerns you have NOW (call, email or fax) and ask how you can help in the litigation. I'm still not clear what this group is trying to really accomplish. I'll assume that anyone that filed the 477 has a potential right to be a co-defendant in this matter. You may also consult with your attorney as well. Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court That's a good view Tom. Until a decision is made one way or another, we probably shouldn't jump to conclusions. However, we should keep a keen eye for a comment period concerning this issue. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
We too received that email. I was wondering if some of us ought to contact Michael A. Krasnow's office for further info and maybe air our concerns and the affect that releasing this data will have on future filing! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commissions brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commissions brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I hate to say it, but if the info contained in the Form 477 is not held in confidence - like it is supposed to be, then I am going to sound like so many others by saying that our Government can not be trusted. I will choose to refrain from any further comments other than to say I hope that our following the proper procedures and guidelines don't come back to bite all us in the arse - - - as so many prophesied that chose NOT to fill out the form 477. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court Thats a good view Tom. Until a decision is made one way or another, we probably shouldn't jump to conclusions. However, we should keep a keen eye for a comment period concerning this issue. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I remember once when a big corporation, to remain nameless, offered to buy me for a nice chunk of change then after we signed the NDA and they looked at my numbers they never called me or returned our calls again. Mind you are the largest ISP in my town so it wasn't for lack of numbers. They simply wanted to know how much business was in my town so they could justify whether they would come here and take us out. The Form 477 is just another way for corporations to see how strong your market is so they can have you essentially research for them the feasibility for them to come spend three million (just a vague reference not a real number - you'll see if you read the rant) to run you out of business. I'm done on the form 477 comment but in a tell us how you really feel rambling (as Marlon would say) here is what I think of our competition: rantThe new corporate motto is, 'Why buy an existing customer base for a million when we can come to their market and spend three million in advertising or free/under cost services to force them out.' It's not naievety by the government either they know that corporations are basically greedy and corrupt but they donate well to political figures so if they have to do anything they can to please their stockholders more power to them. Letters to the FTC, or Justice department asking for investigations of these many unethical acts are all unanswered during a Republican Adminstration. We're all old enough to remember when Republicans were the friend of small business, doesn't seem that long ago. Oh sure they have small business loans out there but now you have to hire their buddies as Consultants for 1/4 of the loan value in order to fill out the overly difficult forms. Government is just as unethical so how are they going to set the example for American corporations. Service or community responsibilty is a luxury from them not like us who use it as our foundations. That is why those two traits are the only thing that keep small business alive for those few customers who want to pay less at the cost of being on hold for 1/2 hour for service they don't get anyway. Look at Charter Cable, Paul Allen needed a write-off for his huge profits on Microsft, got it by writing off investors losses as his own so he didn't have to acutally spend that money! Or Clearwire which is Craig McCaws write-off dupped Intel and Microsoft into bailing his failing venture out. Neither give a damn about their customers other then they pay their bill so the stockholders don't sue them for making their stock (in Charter's case) go from $30 to a buck or so. I can't believe I'm admitting it but I think Bill Gates is much more of a 'True American' then either of those other scum I mentioned. At least he uses his write-off for good. Even if Windows is a crappy program, it did bring the world into the computer age so good for him which made them customers of ours, well until Allen or McCaw steals them to the tune of another billion dollar or more loss. /end rant Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. --- I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
The Center for Public Integrity is suing under FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) for access to the 477's because they do not believe that the broadband data that the FCC reports is true and they want to add that raw data to their media report at http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom. www.broadbandwirelessreports.com/pressreleases/files/Complaint*FCC*.pdf - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
The boss got one toady too. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I got one also Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
I'll be surprised if the info is released. The data is all available already. Just nothing specific to a company. And specific company data won't do anyone any real good. This has been going on for several months now if it's the same case. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 goes public????
There's no saying, so far, that they'll get what they are asking for Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 goes public Seems like this scenario was the biggest argument against the form. Not that we can do much. It's the law. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/78404 In an effort to get more accurate data, the Center for Public Democracy has sued http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/release.aspx?aid=64 the FCC to obtain a database that shows which companies serve which zip-codes, and how extensively. When acquired, the outfit will make it available via their Well Connected http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ website. The actual complaint is available here http://www.publicintegrity.org/docs/telecom/ComplaintFCC.pdf (pdf). Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 goes public????
Seems like this scenario was the biggest argument against the form. Not that we can do much. It's the law. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/78404 In an effort to get more accurate data, the Center for Public Democracy has sued http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/release.aspx?aid=64 the FCC to obtain a database that shows which companies serve which zip-codes, and how extensively. When acquired, the outfit will make it available via their Well Connected http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ website. The actual complaint is available here http://www.publicintegrity.org/docs/telecom/ComplaintFCC.pdf (pdf). Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 goes public????
With an extremly small percentage of Wisp's filling the numbers will be way off anyway. I personally do not think my client count is anyones business other than staff. I kinda wish I never would have filed now. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 goes public I wonder how or if the privacy checkbox will effect the released data if they win. Also the information will be relatively worthless for what these people are supposedly looking for. When the form is filled out, we only report total numbers and zip codes covered. Granted if you serve only 1 zip code then it is obvious where your customers are. Even in my small coverage area I serve 4 zip codes and only one of them has any substatial number of customers. What I will find disturbing is if they are successful in getting my customer count released. So what if I find out that Qwest has umpteen billion DSL customers and they serve my zip code. I already knew that. However if Qwest of any of the miriade of resellers can see that I have X customers in my area they may decide that marketing there is now a good idea because of the uptake potential. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Seems like this scenario was the biggest argument against the form. Not that we can do much. It's the law. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/78404 In an effort to get more accurate data, the Center for Public Democracy has sued http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/release.aspx?aid=64 the FCC to obtain a database that shows which companies serve which zip-codes, and how extensively. When acquired, the outfit will make it available via their Well Connected http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ website. The actual complaint is available here http://www.publicintegrity.org/docs/telecom/ComplaintFCC.pdf (pdf). Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
