Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Then you should call a sales professional vs. a sales droid. :-) Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I researched them heavily but was completely unable to get a phone- call back from ANY of the vendors listed as resellers! You wanna know why the 'conomy sucks? Cause sales-droids are not returning phone calls! ryan On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
It's too late! :( I needed information back in October when Mtik/Tranzeo was having such difficulty ryan George Miller wrote: Ryan - Give us a call at 651-319-9106 if you would like any information, or drop me an email directly. Thanks, George President, Freespace Systems -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I researched them heavily but was completely unable to get a phone- call back from ANY of the vendors listed as resellers! You wanna know why the 'conomy sucks? Cause sales-droids are not returning phone calls! ryan On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Ya, just about everythign works with my StarOS WRAPs (which I'll be replacing soon). With that said, I've been debating between Mikrotik and WAR boards. I've got one Mikrotik up. I like it OK. I guess I'll try a WAR and see? -RickG On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:23 PM, CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Thanks for the resplies guys. I am considering using it for small scale (up to 10) WiFi mesh networks to cover downtown areas, shoppping malls, hospitailty, and other areas. Obviously there is a price/support ratio as with any product. If the product is as solid as you say, it seems that once it's in the air there is little to be concerned with. The new 4000 radios seem like the best value there is and would meet our needs. My concern now is the viability of the company. If they decide they are done with the product, I don't want to be hosed again. MikroTik seems to have a much stronger following and there are a lot of support options - free support on forums and list, and paid support through guys like Butch. It's the second option that keeps pulling me toward MT. Thanks gain.off to ponder my choices. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
I agree... Just put one up and try it. Don't be afraid of the learning curve. The performance and flexibility is outstanding. Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface. I can't tell you how many times I've done this: 1. Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE. 2. ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my workstation). 3. Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll. We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over over again. I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue about this ability. You can essentially move about your network using ssh, hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you want. You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from there to wherever on your network you want to go. Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at the office reach it and configure it. VERY POWERFUL!! I say let go of the web interface. I did and I'm glad I did. My name is Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Hi, Mikrotik has this same ability, but using their Winbox GUI. I can right-click on any connected Mikrotik device in the list and connect directly (even if it doesn't have an IP address on it at all). And let's not forget the all powerful Torch utility that is built in to every Mikrotik device. If you have never seen or used it, it is probably the single most important "feature" available on Mikrotik. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I agree... Just put one up and try it. Don't be afraid of the learning curve. The performance and flexibility is outstanding. Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface. I can't tell you how many times I've done this: 1. Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE. 2. ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my workstation). 3. Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll. We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over over again. I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue about this ability. You can essentially move about your network using ssh, hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you want. You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from there to wherever on your network you want to go. Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at the office reach it and configure it. VERY POWERFUL!! I say let go of the web interface. I did and I'm glad I did. My name is Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" cprof...@cv-access.com To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer "Our JTAG programming system is not working". So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" wi...@oregonfast.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Sta
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
With MikroTik you can mac telnet so if you have connection to the ap you can mac telnet to another unit from within winbox no matter if you have ip connection. Or you can telnet or ssh as well for that matter. On ezy.net and Ubiquiti units you can activate ssh service so you can ssh to them and not only utilize the web interface. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:58:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I agree... Just put one up and try it. Don't be afraid of the learning curve. The performance and flexibility is outstanding. Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface. I can't tell you how many times I've done this: 1. Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE. 2. ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my workstation). 3. Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll. We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over over again. I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue about this ability. You can essentially move about your network using ssh, hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you want. You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from there to wherever on your network you want to go. Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at the office reach it and configure it. VERY POWERFUL!! I say let go of the web interface. I did and I'm glad I did. My name is Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Winbox is okay, but it doesn't do much that the StarOS ssh interface doesn't do, and that includes the Torch functionality. The StarOS Beacon functionality has the ability to track all TCP connections, simliar to Torch, so that functionality is there as well. I would probably lean toward the Association List or what I fondly refer to the F1 key functionality as the best feature of StarOS - much better than the Winbox or commandline equivalent on Mikrotik. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Mikrotik has this same ability, but using their Winbox GUI. I can right-click on any connected Mikrotik device in the list and connect directly (even if it doesn't have an IP address on it at all). And let's not forget the all powerful Torch utility that is built in to every Mikrotik device. If you have never seen or used it, it is probably the single most important feature available on Mikrotik. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I agree... Just put one up and try it. Don't be afraid of the learning curve. The performance and flexibility is outstanding. Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface. I can't tell you how many times I've done this: 1. Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE. 2. ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my workstation). 3. Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll. We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over over again. I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue about this ability. You can essentially move about your network using ssh, hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you want. You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from there to wherever on your network you want to go. Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at the office reach it and configure it. VERY POWERFUL!! I say let go of the web interface. I did and I'm glad I did. My name is Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO cprof...@cv-access.com mailto:cprof...@cv-access.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Some pretty cool companies have started out in a garage, but our products (including our FCC certified systems) are programmed, assembled, warehoused, and shipped from here in Hastings, Minnesota at our very nice facility in the industrial park. Software development happens in a few other locations. We aren't Cisco for sure, but we are a nice sized group of people working very hard to bring out quality products for as low a price as we can. We think we do a pretty good job, but that's for others to decide not us. Our systems are quietly and effectively used by many government entities, WISPs, and other customers around the world. It wouldn't surprise me if some people did not realize that though, as we don't do a good job of telling everyone about it. I think you'll like what you see from us in the coming months, and we will work on doing a much better job of letting everyone know what we are up to. Our support for WISPA is going to be an integral part of that plan. Regarding a manufacturer selling directly to its customers, I suggest you discuss that with Michael Dell. Thanks, George President, Freespace Systems -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Uhm. Is Cisco not a real manufacturer? Don't you have to pay for design work and training classes and that with them or pay for advanced support there? If you want free support then you could look at things like Dlink or Linksys. You have free support there directly from the manufacturer. Last I heard from StarOS they where a 2 people team doing sales and software development and selling OEM hardware. Some people love their software but some dislike them much. They changed code base three times. Most support you will get you will find in their forums or on mailing list such as this one. If they have hired on some more and actually trying to get out of the garage then we might consider them as a real alternative but when they started selling hardware and become direct competitor and basically gave away their software with hardware sales we stopped support them and sell their products. Never good when a manufacturer start directly compete with resellers and distributors. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:51:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Jerry - I'll try and address your questions about us. We are growing quickly with no signs of that slowing down. As I mentioned in my other post, I think you'll like what you see from us in the coming months. We're very actively developing new products. Yes we do mesh networks, and we do them very well. Many of our mesh network deployments are for surveillance systems deployed by government agencies. A number of our large WISP customers have converted their networks over to our mesh protocol with excellent success including VoIP services for their customers. As Matt indicated we will be doing training in Vegas the end of February, and one of the topics we will be covering is mesh network implementation. This would be an excellent opportunity for you to see what we have to offer first hand, and chat with other users of our products. If you have any questions or concerns about us or our products please hit me off list, I'd be happy to chat with you. Thanks, George President, Freespace Systems -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Thanks for the resplies guys. I am considering using it for small scale (up to 10) WiFi mesh networks to cover downtown areas, shoppping malls, hospitailty, and other areas. Obviously there is a price/support ratio as with any product. If the product is as solid as you say, it seems that once it's in the air there is little to be concerned with. The new 4000 radios seem like the best value there is and would meet our needs. My concern now is the viability of the company. If they decide they are done with the product, I don't want to be hosed again. MikroTik seems to have a much stronger following and there are a lot of support options - free support on forums and list, and paid support through guys like Butch. It's the second option that keeps pulling me toward MT. Thanks gain.off to ponder my choices. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
I researched them heavily but was completely unable to get a phone- call back from ANY of the vendors listed as resellers! You wanna know why the 'conomy sucks? Cause sales-droids are not returning phone calls! ryan On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Ryan - Give us a call at 651-319-9106 if you would like any information, or drop me an email directly. Thanks, George President, Freespace Systems -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I researched them heavily but was completely unable to get a phone- call back from ANY of the vendors listed as resellers! You wanna know why the 'conomy sucks? Cause sales-droids are not returning phone calls! ryan On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer Our JTAG programming system is not working. So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Jerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. George Jerry Richardson wrote: Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Comments/experiences please? This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with a number of antennas Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email aircloud_WebTiny_color_white_back.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
Uhm. Is Cisco not a real manufacturer? Don't you have to pay for design work and training classes and that with them or pay for advanced support there? If you want free support then you could look at things like Dlink or Linksys. You have free support there directly from the manufacturer. Last I heard from StarOS they where a 2 people team doing sales and software development and selling OEM hardware. Some people love their software but some dislike them much. They changed code base three times. Most support you will get you will find in their forums or on mailing list such as this one. If they have hired on some more and actually trying to get out of the garage then we might consider them as a real alternative but when they started selling hardware and become direct competitor and basically gave away their software with hardware sales we stopped support them and sell their products. Never good when a manufacturer start directly compete with resellers and distributors. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:51:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
From a vendor perspective, Eje is right. StarOS has gone through a lot of weird stages that lead to alienation of their vendors, and ended up settling on a situation where it has a limited number of vendors. From an operators perspective, the software is fantastic. The wireless drivers are rock solid, it has a few unique features that give it substantial advantages over the other platforms in specific situations and it uses a lot of linux-standard code. This last element is a big advantage in my book, because all of the good documentation and deployment methods already in place for Linux systems applies to StarOS. That negates a lot of the need for StarOS specific documentation. I think that it is the best platform for a standards based wireless deployment, although a lot of people prefer Mikrotik. I have tried Mikrotik on some fairly large deployments and ended up switching back simply because we were getting better results with StarOS. As far as support - the forum is your best bet for support. However, there are occasional training sessions, including one this month on the 24-25th in Las Vegas. Disclaimer: I will be one of the trainers. Matt Larsen inventivemedia.net e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Uhm. Is Cisco not a real manufacturer? Don't you have to pay for design work and training classes and that with them or pay for advanced support there? If you want free support then you could look at things like Dlink or Linksys. You have free support there directly from the manufacturer. Last I heard from StarOS they where a 2 people team doing sales and software development and selling OEM hardware. Some people love their software but some dislike them much. They changed code base three times. Most support you will get you will find in their forums or on mailing list such as this one. If they have hired on some more and actually trying to get out of the garage then we might consider them as a real alternative but when they started selling hardware and become direct competitor and basically gave away their software with hardware sales we stopped support them and sell their products. Never good when a manufacturer start directly compete with resellers and distributors. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:51:20 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
I have used Star-OS as the foundation of my network for 4 years now.I have little complaint except for the strangeness of the guys in charge, who seem to plot their own course and assume the world will follow them aorund. Performance is good, there is a short vertical learning curve to getting up and running and then some more for advanced stuff. If you want to use 11a, b, g products, this is a fast and ultimately easy to learn system. The access points are world class in performance as an AP and the clients are reasonable priced, though there's now a nicely compatible system for $135 that's even FCC cert for everything but the ethernet cable. On the other hand, 11a,b,g standards have glaring deficiencies which show up in certain conditions.I am almost exclusively residential and so this has proven to be excellent for me, but won't be the best under certain circumstances. However, I'd not use this for extreme speed or high packet count conditions. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
What would you call a high packet count condition? What type of customer should I up sell to higher priced systems? I know P2P will cause a high count, especially if BW is limited and not connections...is VoIP high or low? What else? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I have used Star-OS as the foundation of my network for 4 years now.I have little complaint except for the strangeness of the guys in charge, who seem to plot their own course and assume the world will follow them aorund. Performance is good, there is a short vertical learning curve to getting up and running and then some more for advanced stuff. If you want to use 11a, b, g products, this is a fast and ultimately easy to learn system. The access points are world class in performance as an AP and the clients are reasonable priced, though there's now a nicely compatible system for $135 that's even FCC cert for everything but the ethernet cable. On the other hand, 11a,b,g standards have glaring deficiencies which show up in certain conditions.I am almost exclusively residential and so this has proven to be excellent for me, but won't be the best under certain circumstances. However, I'd not use this for extreme speed or high packet count conditions. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
