Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
It appears they're looking for rural cellular companies (outside of the Verizon 3G coverage area) to lease the spectrum from Verizon. Then that company is to build the entire network with their own funds and then institute roaming to\from Verizon's LTE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/21/2010 7:22 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. *In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum.*** Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
In Washington State they already do that with United States Cellular. On 11/6/2010 10:13 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It appears they're looking for rural cellular companies (outside of the Verizon 3G coverage area) to lease the spectrum from Verizon. Then that company is to build the entire network with their own funds and then institute roaming to\from Verizon's LTE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/21/2010 7:22 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. *In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum.*** Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Yes, they do. For most of them, it makes a big hole in the budget. Because most of the ones I've talked to did not expect the high bill. No one told them the difference between 'unlimited connect' / 'unlimited roaming' and 'xGByte's data transfer per month' att, in this area, is very deceptive about this. On 10/22/2010 10:24 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: If a client gets a $700 bill one time - they generally do not think twice about paying the $300 etf On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Because of the 2GByte or 5GByte limit. One of my new users got a $700 bill from verzion! another got $1100 from att. Our limit is 40GByte. Help them learn. Teach them how to get att or verzion to dump their contract. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
att, in this area, is very deceptive about this. - and thats giving them a huge benefit of doubt lol! On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Yes, they do. For most of them, it makes a big hole in the budget. Because most of the ones I've talked to did not expect the high bill. No one told them the difference between 'unlimited connect' / 'unlimited roaming' and 'xGByte's data transfer per month' att, in this area, is very deceptive about this. On 10/22/2010 10:24 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: If a client gets a $700 bill one time - they generally do not think twice about paying the $300 etf On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Because of the 2GByte or 5GByte limit. One of my new users got a $700 bill from verzion! another got $1100 from att. Our limit is 40GByte. Help them learn. Teach them how to get att or verzion to dump their contract. _ *Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com * Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Part of the think working for WISPs is the mindset. Cell companies, and people view service from a ³Cell Company² as being mobile. They don¹t market to a customer who is at home with a router and an xbox. Who cares if it is fast if you can¹t share it or aren¹t told how to share it? This will change over time, but for now it is a selling point for the WISP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:54:27 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation¹s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless¹ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company¹s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTEWell, I disagree. Cell company network are engineered for mobile and high volume over subscribed networks. But Cell Companies ARE Marketing their services to customers with routers and Xboxes. And Consumers ARE being fooled to perceive mobile technology as being a replacement for their Land Line or Fixed Wireless Service. Its the customers that are telling me, why should I pay you $1000/mon for 10mb, when Clear is selling 20mbps for $70/mon. And it is the computer support tech geeks that are telling their customers, hey why not use this AirCard Router, and solve all your broadband problems at home and small business. There is a whole network out there of not experts, who think they are experts showing consumers how to do it. There is no pre-existing Customer Mindset that understands Fixed Wireless. That is the challenge for WISP marketers. We have to change the public perception and mindset. That is not easy, but whether we succeed at that, determines if we make the sale or not. So... Why are Cell Carriers marketing to home router users? They are doing it for the same two reason that we are. 1) They dont want to get bundled in with last generation, such as Low grade WIFI or 3G. They now use buzzwords like WiMax or LTE or 4G, and are supposed to be offering something more grand than the old stuff. 2) Cable Companies and FTTH providers are brainwashing the world that they should have 20-50mbps, even if its peak. And consumers think that is what they are supposed to have and buy. End users dont understand what Wireless is capable versus what wires are capable of. Satelite advertises it, why cant cellular? The consumers say... If its the same speed, why cant I use my cellular service at home like my land line? It worked for my phone service! 50 kbps versus 50mbps, whats the difference? They both deliver 50 :-) The facts are... WISPs are screwed. Consumers will forever be misled. And Competitors will always bend the truth and exploit it to their marketing advantage with consumers. Our only choice, is to educate educate educate. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Part of the think working for WISPs is the mindset. Cell companies, and people view service from a Cell Company as being mobile. They don't market to a customer who is at home with a router and an xbox. Who cares if it is fast if you can't share it or aren't told how to share it? This will change over time, but for now it is a selling point for the WISP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support -- From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:54:27 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation's first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless' core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company's technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Well said Tom DeReggi! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Well, I disagree. Cell company network are engineered for mobile and high volume over subscribed networks. But Cell Companies ARE Marketing their services to customers with routers and Xboxes. And Consumers ARE being fooled to perceive mobile technology as being a replacement for their Land Line or Fixed Wireless Service. Its the customers that are telling me, why should I pay you $1000/mon for 10mb, when Clear is selling 20mbps for $70/mon. And it is the computer support tech geeks that are telling their customers, hey why not use this AirCard Router, and solve all your broadband problems at home and small business. There is a whole network out there of not experts, who think they are experts showing consumers how to do it. There is no pre-existing Customer Mindset that understands Fixed Wireless. That is the challenge for WISP marketers. We have to change the public perception and mindset. That is not easy, but whether we succeed at that, determines if we make the sale or not. So... Why are Cell Carriers marketing to home router users? They are doing it for the same two reason that we are. 1) They dont want to get bundled in with last generation, such as Low grade WIFI or 3G. They now use buzzwords like WiMax or LTE or 4G, and are supposed to be offering something more grand than the old stuff. 2) Cable Companies and FTTH providers are brainwashing the world that they should have 20-50mbps, even if its peak. And consumers think that is what they are supposed to have and buy. End users dont understand what Wireless is capable versus what wires are capable of. Satelite advertises it, why cant cellular? The consumers say... If its the same speed, why cant I use my cellular service at home like my land line? It worked for my phone service! 50 kbps versus 50mbps, whats the difference? They both deliver 50 :-) The facts are... WISPs are screwed. Consumers will forever be misled. And Competitors will always bend the truth and exploit it to their marketing advantage with consumers. Our only choice, is to educate educate educate. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Part of the think working for WISPs is the mindset. Cell companies, and people view service from a Cell Company as being mobile. They don't market to a customer who is at home with a router and an xbox. Who cares if it is fast if you can't share it or aren't told how to share it? This will change over time, but for now it is a selling point for the WISP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:54:27 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation's first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless' core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
And these problems are true and exist for some. for us, it is the greatest thing! I am collecting att and verzion air card users left and right... Why? Because of the 2GByte or 5GByte limit. One of my new users got a $700 bill from verzion! another got $1100 from att. Our limit is 40GByte. Help them learn. Teach them how to get att or verzion to dump their contract. On 10/22/2010 5:14 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: Well said Tom DeReggi! *Victoria Proffer - President/CEO* www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom DeReggi *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2010 1:48 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Well, I disagree. Cell company network are engineered for mobile and high volume over subscribed networks. But Cell Companies ARE Marketing their services to customers with routers and Xboxes. And Consumers ARE being fooled to perceive mobile technology as being a replacement for their Land Line or Fixed Wireless Service. Its the customers that are telling me, why should I pay you $1000/mon for 10mb, when Clear is selling 20mbps for $70/mon. And it is the computer support tech geeks that are telling their customers, hey why not use this AirCard Router, and solve all your broadband problems at home and small business. There is a whole network out there of not experts, who think they are experts showing consumers how to do it. There is no pre-existing Customer Mindset that understands Fixed Wireless. That is the challenge for WISP marketers. We have to change the public perception and mindset. That is not easy, but whether we succeed at that, determines if we make the sale or not. So... Why are Cell Carriers marketing to home router users? They are doing it for the same two reason that we are. 1) They dont want to get bundled in with last generation, such as Low grade WIFI or 3G. They now use buzzwords like WiMax or LTE or 4G, and are supposed to be offering something more grand than the old stuff. 2) Cable Companies and FTTH providers are brainwashing the world that they should have 20-50mbps, even if its peak. And consumers think that is what they are supposed to have and buy. End users dont understand what Wireless is capable versus what wires are capable of. Satelite advertises it, why cant cellular? The consumers say... If its the same speed, why cant I use my cellular service at home like my land line? It worked for my phone service! 50 kbps versus 50mbps, whats the difference? They both deliver 50 :-) The facts are... WISPs are screwed. Consumers will forever be misled. And Competitors will always bend the truth and exploit it to their marketing advantage with consumers. Our only choice, is to educate educate educate. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:*Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:*Friday, October 22, 2010 1:39 PM *Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Part of the think working for WISPs is the mindset. Cell companies, and people view service from a Cell Company as being mobile. They don't market to a customer who is at home with a router and an xbox. Who cares if it is fast if you can't share it or aren't told how to share it? This will change over time, but for now it is a selling point for the WISP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:54:27 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. *Steve Barnes *General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
If a client gets a $700 bill one time - they generally do not think twice about paying the $300 etf On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Because of the 2GByte or 5GByte limit. One of my new users got a $700 bill from verzion! another got $1100 from att. Our limit is 40GByte. Help them learn. Teach them how to get att or verzion to dump their contract. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Verizon LTE
Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the relationship actually is. Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming? or Is this just a glorified contractor setup where the rural company is building VZ's network, but already has the towers\backhaul in place? The latter looks more attractive than the former. LTE gear probably isn't cheap, so who's going to buy it? If we're just glorified installation crews, then maybe it isn't so bad. I'm not terribly concerned about 4G network in my territory as I can quite easily build a faster fixed network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/21/2010 7:22 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. *In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum.*** Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners……. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
At the risk of being corrected yet again, I would recomend contacting them. I believe you will find (over time) that they are a bit more open than you believe. It is a slow process however. The big thing they are looking for are towers and backhaul. Many of the middle mile companies that have recently gotten funding are going to do quite well with this. From their web page, To learn about participating in this program, companies should contactphilip.jun...@verizonwireless.com with the following information: a.. Name and address of company b.. Contact name and title c.. Contact phone number d.. Contact E-mail address e.. Please describe your business, including the counties and states in which you operate f.. Please identify the rural areas that your business serves that you believe are in need of a 4G wireless network g.. Please provide us any comments, questions, or concerns you have about our initiative Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners……. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
From my conversations with VzB, folks, they understand it to be closer to the latter, with VzW doing the actual build, on infrastructure such as backhaul and towers from partners. But I could be wrong. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the relationship actually is. Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming? or Is this just a glorified contractor setup where the rural company is building VZ's network, but already has the towers\backhaul in place? The latter looks more attractive than the former. LTE gear probably isn't cheap, so who's going to buy it? If we're just glorified installation crews, then maybe it isn't so bad. I'm not terribly concerned about 4G network in my territory as I can quite easily build a faster fixed network. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
I guess you could think - fibertower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE I am curious as to what this brings to the table and how the relationship actually is. Does the rural company build their own network, but with VZ's spectrum and brand of gear, then allowing full roaming? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Blake this is an excellent post and you are correct in that they are slow to change. Some markets will be better than others depending on the personality of the Chief Engineer. Brian -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers [mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:58 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE At the risk of being corrected yet again, I would recomend contacting them. I believe you will find (over time) that they are a bit more open than you believe. It is a slow process however. The big thing they are looking for are towers and backhaul. Many of the middle mile companies that have recently gotten funding are going to do quite well with this. From their web page, To learn about participating in this program, companies should contactphilip.jun...@verizonwireless.com with the following information: a.. Name and address of company b.. Contact name and title c.. Contact phone number d.. Contact E-mail address e.. Please describe your business, including the counties and states in which you operate f.. Please identify the rural areas that your business serves that you believe are in need of a 4G wireless network g.. Please provide us any comments, questions, or concerns you have about our initiative Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Read that to be they are working with those folks who operate their own cellular systems and are current Verizon Roaming partners……. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Yeah but are the still going to have the 5GB/month cap? If so we could still be a viable option to consumers even if our speeds were slower. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation's first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless' core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company's technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
At 10/21/2010 09:36 AM, KurtF wrote: Yeah but are the still going to have the 5GB/month cap? If so we could still be a viable option to consumers even if our speeds were slower. It could be even worse than that, from a consumer perspective. They've talked about using LTE as a tool to moving all of their data plans onto measured or, more commonly, block-of-bits plans. The current new plans are an initial bid. LTE probably won't have flat rate anything. Hence it won't be a good substitute for a fixed wireless or wireline service, except for light users or those with very deep pockets... For nomadic and mobile applications, it should be really nice, but I wouldn't want to run Microsoft Update over it! Hence it is more complementary than competitive to most WISPs. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes The concern I have is in my coverage area Verizon already has 6 towers. I doubt they would be to worried about working with me. What I see is that I have 2 years to upgrade my equipment to be able to beat Verizon at all levels. TVWS could be a real game changer to us being so wooded. 700 Mhz LTE will already have the advantage. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon LTE
Yes this says. BTOP/BIP recipients You know that open access policy. Guess what, we are going to use your assets to compete against you for last mile customers, and we wont have any restrictions. We (Verizon) have the spectrum and you dont, so we are protected. You know what... we want you as our tower company/bandwdith company, because all the other pre-existing landlords are a pain to deal with, and they charge us way to much. We'll let you be our vendor, IF you give us a better price. You should be able to since your network was built with subsidized money. You wont make millions on last mile Internet, but we'll let you make a few dollars on transport and towers. And you know... this deal will really help us (Verizon). The reason is that we use Fiber tower ALOT. And Fiber tower has very little competition. We'd love Fiber tower to have competitions, so the price of licensed wireless transport will go down, when we (verizon) isn't the one providing it. I'm not saying that it is good or bad, just saying it is what it is. Sure its smart for Verizon to look at all their options to partner that can save them money and reduce their investment. What I will say is that all the big telcos look toward moving their models from reoccuring lease costs to ownerous costs. The yare smart enough to know the value of owning their resources when it is possible. So I believe Verizon will have very tough contracts, to guarantee that they get a good deal on the partnerships. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Verizon LTE Just got this from Verizon as a link on a advertisement: Verizon's 4G network will be available in 38 markets and major airports, covering approximately 100+ million people by the end of the year. We plan to double that in 2012 and cover our entire existing 3G footprint with 4G LTE by the end of 2013. Verizon Wireless is aggressively building the nation’s first 4G LTE network across the same footprint that is currently covered by its nationwide 3G network, which covers more than 90% of the U.S. population. In order to provide access to this 4G LTE network to more of the U.S. population living in rural areas, Verizon Wireless plans to work with rural companies to collaboratively build and operate a 4G network in those areas using the tower and backhaul assets of the rural company and Verizon Wireless’ core LTE equipment and 700MHz spectrum. Verizon Wireless provides a unique opportunity for selected participants to leverage the company’s technical and spectrum resources. We are seeking companies that can assist in bringing the benefits of 4G LTE service to rural areas that currently lack Verizon Wireless coverage. Verizon Wireless may work with rural companies that have towers and backhaul capabilities, even if those companies are not currently wireless operators. Together, we will plan and coordinate a local LTE deployment schedule that makes sense for both Verizon Wireless and the rural company that we are collaborating with. http://aboutus.vzw.com/rural/Overview.html Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
