Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Marcus at giglynx On Aug 11, 2014 7:47 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Might have already been mentioned, but Patrick Fidell pfid...@bandwidthsolutions.com. On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:16 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Marcus at giglynx On Aug 11, 2014 7:47 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Josh, We are two years deep in a contract with the folks below. I have to give the kudo’s - - they gave us some good pricing and have been outstanding good help. I don’t know if he can help you, but I would think it would be worth a phone call. YMMV Good luck, Mac Scott Fairbairn American Communication Solutions, Inc. 901 South Mopac, Bldg. 2, Suite 505 Austin, TX 78746 www.amcomsolutions.com 512-342-2226 x101 cid:part2.00040902.06050700@amcomsolutions.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Josh, Megan Henry and the folks in her office have been great to work with. www.broadbandconsultants.com meg...@broadbandconsultants.com Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025 On 8/11/2014 18:14, Josh Luthman wrote: Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
I'm sure there is, however short of going through every vendor member I don't know who to look at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
That's what I did. Well, I ruled out vendors that I know what they did or their name lended itself to a certain type of service... like BillMax. Pretty sure they do billing, so I don't need to check there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:24:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers I'm sure there is, however short of going through every vendor member I don't know who to look at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Managed Services xISP Solutions Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Roger, I'm very familiar with that company already. I hadn't heard of that domain before, though! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for bandwidth? Have you looked at these guys? http://ifnetwork.biz/ On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
I'm looking for a few people that have deals with multiple carriers like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Check out GigLinx. We just went through them to get some transport. Offir Schwartz Global Accounts Manager www.giglinx.com Office: 512-377-6827 -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:38, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm looking for a few people that have deals with multiple carriers like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Josh, Broadband Consultants (information included below) work with several Tier I providers. www.broadbandconsultants.com meg...@broadbandconsultants.com Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025 Also, have you checked to see if Hurricane Electric is available in the area where you are needing service? Thanks, and good luck! Sam On 8/12/2014 10:38, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm looking for a few people that have deals with multiple carriers like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
I don't think anyone gets deals on Verizon. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:38:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers I'm looking for a few people that have deals with multiple carriers like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
While we're at it, who knows anyone at dollar general? There's one per every 1.5 miles in this town now. I am NOT kidding. - Original Message - From: Sam To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Josh, Broadband Consultants (information included below) work with several Tier I providers. www.broadbandconsultants.com meg...@broadbandconsultants.com Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025 Also, have you checked to see if Hurricane Electric is available in the area where you are needing service? Thanks, and good luck! Sam On 8/12/2014 10:38, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm looking for a few people that have deals with multiple carriers like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
Looking for bandwidth? Have you looked at these guys? http://ifnetwork.biz/ On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers Does anyone have some contacts? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
can't wait to try this version out, mine did have a messed up link though..didn't go to irongoat at all. Fixed: http://www.irongoat.net/tranzeofaq/speedtest2.ziphttp://tranzeofaq.com/speedtest2.zip Mark Spring Systems Analyst New Knoxville Telephone Company 301 W. South St. New Knoxville, OH 45871 419.753.5000 This message and the file(s) attached are confidential and proprietary information of NKTelco for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, distribution, disclosure, copying, use, or dissemination, either whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. Do not transmit these documents, in any form, to any third party without the expressed written permission of NKTelco. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: I liked the speedtests that are based off of fancy speedtest but I did not like the fact that I could not see historical speedtest data. I edited it to collect data on any customer running the speedtest. I have a few customers that will call and freak out over slow speedtests until I looked and saw they were running the test over and over and over again with good results and then they would get a bad one, stop testing, and call me! After I told them I had a record of all of the tests suddenly the monthly race to get a bad test (and ask for a credit!) would stop! http://www.irongoat.net/tranzeofaq/speedtest2.ziphttp://tranzeofaq.com/speedtest2.zip This test shows your customer the last 5 speedtests and allows you, the admin to see ALL of the speedtests performed. You will need to muck around a bit to setup the mysql username/passwords. ryan On 3/15/14 4:49 PM, David Williamson wrote: Yeah, I'd like that script, too. David *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Art Stephens *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test Care to share to script? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
I liked the speedtests that are based off of fancy speedtest but I did not like the fact that I could not see historical speedtest data. I edited it to collect data on any customer running the speedtest. I have a few customers that will call and freak out over slow speedtests until I looked and saw they were running the test over and over and over again with good results and then they would get a bad one, stop testing, and call me! After I told them I had a record of all of the tests suddenly the monthly race to get a bad test (and ask for a credit!) would stop! http://www.irongoat.net/tranzeofaq/speedtest2.zip This test shows your customer the last 5 speedtests and allows you, the admin to see ALL of the speedtests performed. You will need to muck around a bit to setup the mysql username/passwords. ryan On 3/15/14 4:49 PM, David Williamson wrote: Yeah, I'd like that script, too. David *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Art Stephens *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test Care to share to script? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php http://www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 tel:269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com http://ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc http://facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera http://twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
Yeah, I'd like that script, too. David From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Art Stephens Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test Care to share to script? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month or so). Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net MTCNA CCNA MTCRE MTCWE - COMTRAIN Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.zigwireless.com High Speed Internet Options http://www.thebrotherswisp.com The Brothers Wisp -Original Message- From: Sam w...@csilogan.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
Thank you for sending that Justin. Do you (or anyone of you) know of one written in PERL? I'm reasonably-certain that's how the original that I used to use was coded. In a nutshell it times how long a large file would take to be downloaded, do the math, and figure out Kbps (or Mbps). While PERL isn't my strong suit, I may be able to write one from scratch. However if someone's already invented the wheel, there's no point in reinventing it all over again. :) Thanks Sam On 3/6/2014 08:58, Justin Wilson wrote: http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month or so). Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net MTCNA CCNA MTCRE MTCWE - COMTRAIN Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.zigwireless.com High Speed Internet Options http://www.thebrotherswisp.com The Brothers Wisp -Original Message- From: Sam w...@csilogan.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
Just update it every Sunday. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 6, 2014 9:58 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month or so). Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net MTCNA CCNA MTCRE MTCWE - COMTRAIN Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.zigwireless.com High Speed Internet Options http://www.thebrotherswisp.com The Brothers Wisp -Original Message- From: Sam w...@csilogan.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 100Mbit fiber *217739.688 Kbps* On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
It was built in the days of dial-up. Works ok to about 10M. -- On 3/6/2014 11:29 AM, Roger Howard wrote: I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 100Mbit fiber *217739.688 Kbps* On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php http://www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 tel:269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
I think I like that.. . Might put it on my website. Hahaha. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 100Mbit fiber *217739.688 Kbps* On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes.. Usually very easy programming... If you wouldn't mind sharing the source... Best, Robert On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
Thanks to everyone who's helped with this and offered suggestions! As always, you guys are the best! On 3/6/2014 12:14, Blair Davis wrote: Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003. I have a zip of the directory it lives in. I just opened it up and looked at it. It appears to be C1999 and C2001 by WISPA... under GPL -- On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote: These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes.. Usually very easy programming... If you wouldn't mind sharing the source... Best, Robert On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
opps! Anybody who wants it, send an email to me and I'll send you a zip. -- On 3/6/2014 1:31 PM, Sam wrote: Thanks to everyone who's helped with this and offered suggestions! As always, you guys are the best! On 3/6/2014 12:14, Blair Davis wrote: Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003. I have a zip of the directory it lives in. I just opened it up and looked at it. It appears to be C1999 and C2001 by WISPA... under GPL -- On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote: These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes.. Usually very easy programming... If you wouldn't mind sharing the source... Best, Robert On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
Care to share to script? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you describe... www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php -- On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote: Good Morning Folks! Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower to their equipment at their home or business. Hopefully this makes sense Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage
Why not just have the client remove the torrent from their computers? NGL From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:17 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Hah! :) Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Linux... wasn't he the guy with the blanket? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:15:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations? From: Ben West Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth with no limit, depending on how the client is set up. Do you see that customer opening many many many UDP connections? On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in the last 18 hours. What does a smart TV use? What can they be doing? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net 314-246-9434 -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless image/gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage
So how do you stop torrents? NGL From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP is after something a bit different. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're running. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: For an hour? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations? From: Ben West Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth with no limit, depending on how the client is set up. Do you see that customer opening many many many UDP connections? On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in the last 18 hours. What does a smart TV use? What can they be doing? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ben West http://gowasabi.net b...@gowasabi.net 314-246-9434 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage
Bill for overusage. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 02/18/2014 11:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: So how do you stop torrents? NGL *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP is after something a bit different. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're running. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: For an hour? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations? *From:* Ben West mailto:b...@gowasabi.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth with no limit, depending on how the client is set up. Do you see that customer opening many many many UDP connections? On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in the last 18 hours. What does a smart TV use? What can they be doing? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage
My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker. But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that will work fine to block it. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: So how do you stop torrents? NGL *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP is after something a bit different. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're running. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: For an hour? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations? *From:* Ben West mailto:b...@gowasabi.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth with no limit, depending on how the client is set up. Do you see that customer opening many many many UDP connections? On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: I have a customer that has
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And to us, if they're tunneled, they're not stressing our network. :) On Feb 18, 2014 10:18 AM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker. But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that will work fine to block it. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: So how do you stop torrents? NGL *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP is after something a bit different. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're running. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: For an hour? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations? *From:* Ben West mailto:b...@gowasabi.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage Torrents can consume up and down
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Which is why you really should limit the behavior and not the application. The problem isn't because they are torrents, it is because the a) use a lot of download bandwidth b) use a lot of upload bandwidth c) have a high pps d) have a large connection count. Pick which one is affecting your network and limit that rather than trying to limit a specific application. That way you are fixing the problem and not chasing today's cause of the problem. On 02/18/2014 01:18 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker. But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that will work fine to block it. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: So how do you stop torrents? NGL *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP is after something a bit different. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're running. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: For an hour? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations? *From:* Ben West mailto:b...@gowasabi.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM *To:* WISPA General List
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How do I set limits on Nanostations? NGL -- From: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage Which is why you really should limit the behavior and not the application. The problem isn't because they are torrents, it is because the a) use a lot of download bandwidth b) use a lot of upload bandwidth c) have a high pps d) have a large connection count. Pick which one is affecting your network and limit that rather than trying to limit a specific application. That way you are fixing the problem and not chasing today's cause of the problem. On 02/18/2014 01:18 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker. But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that will work fine to block it. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: So how do you stop torrents? NGL *From:* Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Sure for currently active traffic. But I think OP is after something a bit different. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're running. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: For an hour? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash? netstat would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Horsepoopy tcpdump / netstat / iptraf See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet capture some how. Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net mailto:n...@ngl.net wrote: How do I check
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The ability to apply these kinds of filters in UBNT and Mikrotik firmware will be limited, but I've had moderate success using Boyer-Moore filters with iptables in OpenWRT land. The commands below are for a chain labeled p2pblock, through which all incoming NAT traffic to be forwarded, ports 1024 above, are piped. Not 100% by any measure, but it does help to unambiguously identify unencrypted torrent traffic. iptables -I p2pblock -m string --string BitTorrent protocol --algo bm -m recent --rdest --set --name P2PBLOCK iptables -I p2pblock -m string --string BitTorrent protocol --algo bm -m limit --limit 1/minute -j LOG --log-prefix P2PBLOCK-seen-bitbm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyer%E2%80%93Moore_string_search_algorithm https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=38843 (demonstration for OpenWRT) On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic. -- Ben West b...@gowasabi.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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+1 on MikroTik A few evenings with the online tutorials and it will start to make perfect sense. On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: Mikrotik with: 1) Radius integration (PPPoE could help you) 2) scripting integration (no PPPoE just fixed per IP policies) Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 tel:660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Mikrotik with: 1) Radius integration (PPPoE could help you) 2) scripting integration (no PPPoE just fixed per IP policies) Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 tel:660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
+1 Mikrotik is very powerful. As an alternative you could try pfsense. But Mikrotik would be my first choice. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net MTCNA CCNA MTCRE MTCWE - COMTRAIN Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.zigwireless.com High Speed Internet Options http://www.thebrotherswisp.com The Brothers Wisp From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 at 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, tsla...@grundyec.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Mikrotik . simple ! J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm ² Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ Skype: linktechs skype:linktechs?call -- Create Wireless Coverage¹s with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ 900Mhz LTE 3G 3.65 TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clay Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:22 PM To: tsla...@grundyec.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Mikrotik then... On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com wrote: Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 tel:660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clay Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 tel:660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 tel:434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 tel:434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com ³We Keep You Up and Running² Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com ³We Keep You Up and Running² Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clay Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Mikrotik then... On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com wrote: Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
Mikrotik . simple ! J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm ” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ – Skype: linktechs skype:linktechs?call -- Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ – 900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clay Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:22 PM To: tsla...@grundyec.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Mikrotik then... On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com wrote: Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping. We have some older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP. Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC. 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clay Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)? For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Troy Slagle tsla...@grundyec.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have any recommendations? Troy A. Slagle Information Technology Manager Mid-States Services, LLC 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48 tel:1-800-279-2249%20x%2048 tsla...@grundyec.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
Cisco and Mikrotik via NetFlow data sent to a pair of redundant PMACCT collectors which store data on a set of redundant SQL servers. All writes are done on one SQL server and all reads are done from a slave. There is a second slave just for backup. On 01/05/2012 08:30 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 13:51 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote: I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID number instead. http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325107879 http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325107879 I would be happy to share the code if you want it. Code sharing is nice, but I'm more interested in what gear you are gathering these stats from. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 13:51 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote: I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID number instead. http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325107879 http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325107879 I would be happy to share the code if you want it. Code sharing is nice, but I'm more interested in what gear you are gathering these stats from. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
We use Cacti and give customers who request it individual login's to see only their utilization. http://www.cacti.net/ On 12/28/2011 3:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote: Greetings We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis. Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a regular basis throughout the month. At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this done. My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any success stories? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
Hi, I've been eyeing torrus for a while, but I just ran across this demo integration with torrus, SIAM, and Extopus... http://demo.oetiker.torrus.net/ SIAM is a perl library for abstracting service data in a way that it can be collected and aggregated from multiple monitoring systems (torrus, in this case). Extopus is the front end that will take data from SIAM, and as a result, anything that you can integrate with SIAM. If you're thinking custom, I'd say this is would be a good place to start. If you could write a SIAM driver for pmacct, you may be well on your way. Regards, -Kristian On 12/28/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote: Greetings We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis. Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a regular basis throughout the month. At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this done. My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any success stories? -- Kristian Hoffmann President kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
Thanks. These software packages look like they have the potential to do what we need and I'll check them out. On December 28, 2011, bret clark wrote: http://www.cacti.net/ On December 28, 2011, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: http://demo.oetiker.torrus.net/ -- Regards, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID number instead. http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325107879 http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325107879 I would be happy to share the code if you want it. On 12/28/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote: Greetings We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis. Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a regular basis throughout the month. At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this done. My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any success stories? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
Thank-you for the offer to share code. I'm having difficulty connecting to your site at http://usage.sbbnet.com. The name is not resolving. On December 28, 2011, Matt Jenkins wrote: I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID number instead. http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=13251 07879 http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210curDate=1325 107879 I would be happy to share the code if you want it. -- Regards, Kevin Battersby ke...@battersby.net 250-514-2063 Direct WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth shaping and QOS
Even I finally went the Mikrotik route. Use the Tik to set max speeds. But I use the CPE to set sustained and burst amounts. This prevents bursting to the max speed of the AP. Gives us better control over the plans we provide. Add in a backend radius server for the Tik and CPE and you can automate almost everything. On 11/02/2011 10:52 AM, Pat O'Connor wrote: What is everybody using? Looking to dump Net Enforcer for something else. 300+ subs, mix of Cisco 1250 and UBNT AP's. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth shaping and QOS
Pat, If you would like to login to a live running Mikrotik router just give me a call. You can login and I'll give you the nickel tour. This one has about 300 subs on it. Thx, Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 x102 www.linktechs.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth shaping and QOS What is everybody using? Looking to dump Net Enforcer for something else. 300+ subs, mix of Cisco 1250 and UBNT AP's. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4591 - Release Date: 11/02/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com wrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.comwrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Cameron... That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :) I look forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year or so... As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, they will look to Wispmon other key players in this area more more. On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Gosh, I need to hit the right button. That reply was supposed to be offlist. It was not meant to be a sales pitch. Sorry about that. Marlon and I had were talking on the phone earlier and I was replying in part to some of that conversations. My apologies. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Cameron... That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :) I look forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year or so... As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, they will look to Wispmon other key players in this area more more. On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them. Cameron On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Thanks Cameron, Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at. Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity. But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time? You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used. Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used. Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc. Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a dedicated pipe costs? Times, they are a changin' We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how you run the numbers. You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer during peak hours. No sense selling what you can't deliver. We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them. Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-). For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs. An HD movie is 8 to 10. Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more data to suck it all up. It can use a little or a lot. Usually a lot. We also put a cap on our fiber customers. That's costing us users these days. But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account. It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business. We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps. But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years. They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates. Even higher prices isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers. How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 5? 10 at the most? I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower. Does that help at all? If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I can. 509.988.0260 marlon - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples? Talk with Marlon at Odessa
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
I wrote about this on my http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ blog - http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88 There are some other articles about Usage Based Billing (UBB) there as well. Read it and see if that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/21/2011 10:30 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com mailto:jnovin...@gmail.com wrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net mailto:deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
This discussion has been on the members list on and off for the last few months... On 4/21/2011 3:04 PM, Dan wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps for years. Cameron On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com wrote: They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any speed. Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort of caps. Holler off-list if you would like more specifics. Jason On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net wrote: We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled to be replaced. Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant. We are looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or block pricing. Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this? Can anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to this, the simpler the better? Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor and automate billing of overages, etc? Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed. --Dan P. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News
H. Who would have thought this would ever happen? roflol Maybe those of us that set usage limits back in 2000? whoo hooo I am SOO good at this business! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WUG us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=bandwidth+capform=QBNBqs=nsk=sc=8-13 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Is there an official statement from ATT on the DSL bandwidth cap? I can't find one. I can just find the broadband reports blog post on it. On 3/16/2011 10:07 AM, Matt wrote: http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=bandwidth+capform=QBNBqs=nsk=sc=8-13 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Kevin R. Battersby ke...@battersby.net wrote: We use both fees as a deterrent. The worst cause for abuse is Bittorrent in our case. It's always good fun to get the parents on the line and let them in on a few facts about copyright violations and usage charges. Just curious...what would those facts be? That getting in any real trouble with copyright is probably about as likely as winning the lottery? Kids see through these issues, and parents soon see through them, especially when their kids start tunneling through to other juridictions etc (at which point the getting in trouble part becomes a non-issue). At that point, they know that the issue is not the issue, and that it's not copyright you care about, but rather excessive bandwidth. -- Also on LinkedIn? Feel free to connect if you too are an open networker: scubac...@gmail.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 15:35, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: What do you do with a client that uses 65gigs in 42 days ? To top it off they are late payers and complain a little and always use the excuse they have to talk to their son in Iraq early in the morning. We only allow 20 gigs for their plan anyhow. If their contract says they get 20 GB of transfer in a billing cycle, and they use more, you bill them. If they don't pay, you shut them off or sue them. It's business, nothing more. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?
Charge them for being late and charge them for the excessive usage (that is dollar per byte). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: What do you do with a client that uses 65gigs in 42 days ? To top it off they are late payers and complain a little and always use the excuse they have to talk to their son in Iraq early in the morning. We only allow 20 gigs for their plan anyhow. Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?
Charge an overage fee if you have it set up, if you don't, let them know you are instituting one. Either they are chatting with their son in 1080p high def or something else is going on. On 2/16/11 3:35 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: What do you do with a client that uses 65gigs in 42 days ? To top it off they are late payers and complain a little and always use the excuse they have to talk to their son in Iraq early in the morning. We only allow 20 gigs for their plan anyhow. Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?
On February 16, 2011, Josh Luthman wrote: Charge them for being late and charge them for the excessive usage (that is dollar per byte). We use both fees as a deterrent. The worst cause for abuse is Bittorrent in our case. It's always good fun to get the parents on the line and let them in on a few facts about copyright violations and usage charges. The back-haul providers bill still needs to get paid. -- Regards, Kevin R. Battersby ke...@battersby.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as much as 10% a month. Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of collecting money.They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to warrant anyone's time for any other matters. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
What amount of bandwidth are you using at this time? John is a pretty reasonable guy. Renegotiate for lower rates at a higher commit. Or. Go to another colo and ask for 3 rack units and an X-Connect to the SIX. When you have that Xconnect, your bandwidth costs should go down pretty dramatically as there is no longer a loop charge. Pick a provider: http://www.seattleix.net/autogen/participants_5.html done. Cogent? ryan On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as much as 10% a month. Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of collecting money. They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to warrant anyone's time for any other matters. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
Exactly, a x-connect is ~$200-600 a month. Once you get connected, you can peer with as many providers as you want. Free or usually negotiated rates. ryan On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: My guess is the local loop is the big cost... not the actual bandwidth. Travis Microserv On 1/1/2011 10:48 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: What amount of bandwidth are you using at this time? John is a pretty reasonable guy. Renegotiate for lower rates at a higher commit. Or. Go to another colo and ask for 3 rack units and an X-Connect to the SIX. When you have that Xconnect, your bandwidth costs should go down pretty dramatically as there is no longer a loop charge. Pick a provider: http://www.seattleix.net/autogen/participants_5.html done. Cogent? ryan On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as much as 10% a month. Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of collecting money. They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to warrant anyone's time for any other matters. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/- get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
http://www.comcast.com/dedicatedinternet/default.html On 12/30/2010 11:52 AM, MDK wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
What he said, Plus what I told you a few weeks ago. Decent pricing on that 100mbit port, transport sucks but can use who can be found. Did you find someone? Gimmie a call. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet) http://www.seattleix.net/ - get on this! :) http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm ryan On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
http://www.westinbuilding.com/telecom/tenants.cfm https://www.peeringdb.com/private/facility_view.php?id=71 Those aren't even complete. For example, Cogent is in the building, but not on either of those lists. You'll just have to ask the carriers if they're there. I think what suite you're in will be important as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/30/2010 11:52 AM, MDK wrote: I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin.. Anyone have names / etc? Thanks Mark ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
We have the same issue with ATT/Qwest. Getting a DS-3 right now using ATT as the loop, delivered via fiber. They put a Fujitsu box in our office, which i know they can just pop in an ethernet card and offer us a direct ethernet hookup, but they say it's not available in our area. I've talked to the local ATT engineer about this and she says that it's all technically possible and the equipment is there, just a matter of getting the sales department to come up with pricing in our area and make the service available. Been going through this for 2 years now, with no hope in site of getting a direct ethernet feed from them. Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end. They should have said let¹s talk in a couple of months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to extend the contract. I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18 months into the contract. Just means the contract was extended. Happens a lot. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Then you aren't talking to the right people, or they changed their policy. http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/index.aspx Maria Azada Comcast- Enterprise Business Services Direct: 847-585-0409 Cell: 773-447-8487 Azada, Maria [maria_az...@cable.comcast.com] I haven't spoken with her in quite some time, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:05 AM, David Sovereen wrote: Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Eric Rogersecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
The CO may not have the right gear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
Who is the local power company in your area ? (Pretty much all power companies have a side division which deploys and operates a fiber network.) Most of them provide services carrier to carrier as such don't advertise too much... The power companies have right of way and as such can bring fiber service to anywhere... (these days the alternate Cell Carriers are big clients of the Power/Fiber companies... since the local ILECS, pretty much refuse to provide them with reasonable cost, high capacity circuits). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/2/2010 12:04 PM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 The CO has to support it. It is a form of metro Ethernet. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:04:33 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:04 -0500, Matt wrote: We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked to our previous ACC/ATT rep from back when we only had T1's. He thought we should be able to get ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and get back to us in a week or so. Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it called OptiMan something if we have fiber? It's Opt E MAN... https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 We were in the same situation (ATT fiber with a DS3 for ~10 years), but they did let us upgrade from our DS3 to Opt E MAN without pulling any new fiber. Maybe they don't have that capability in your CO? -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
There are ATT sales reps that aren't lazy? Where? I'll take contact info :-) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end. They should have said let’s talk in a couple of months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to extend the contract. I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18 months into the contract. Just means the contract was extended. Happens a lot. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . == MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION David Sovereen 989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:52:38AM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. This is because it can take 6 months to put in facilities, so 8 months is reasonable planning. You should keep this schedule in mind too when shopping for a potential replacement. If you think you are going to be switching, you could have ATT and perhaps Comcast or someone while doing the ARIN/BGP setup, then drop ATT after setting up BGP. It would satisfy the application requirements and the renumbering would make it easier for you to drop ATT. Talk to your sales guy toward the end of the month when he's probably trying to get some extra business. The obviously don't want to trade a current connection for something cheaper, but perhaps if you mentioned you want more bandwidth for the same money, or triple the bandwidth for a little bit more money, the idea of them getting the same or more money is appealing. With ATT there is also likely a period for you to cancel the contract. Like they need 60-90 days notice or it self renews or other stupid things. Be aware of that. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds and the like. Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your area? They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in Indiana. Another thing to consider is where your ATT circuit is homed out of. If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until you can get another physical connection. This would allow you to become multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space. I am sure this would keep you busy re-numbering. Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity would open up. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by ATT fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the ATT incumbent local exchange companies. Then I put in the address of the ATT central office, got the same results. Do they have anybody actually running this company? - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyble To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan Of particular interest is http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen several times. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:13:32 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by ATT fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the ATT incumbent local exchange companies. Then I put in the address of the ATT central office, got the same results. Do they have anybody actually running this company? - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyble mailto:char...@knownelement.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan Of particular interest is http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan
One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen several times. Just got another full OC3 quote for one of these locations. 20K$ monthly plus change. The port part of this was only like 5.6K$ monthly and the rest was loop. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the central office for Mooresville. So, our options are ATT, or Comcast (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you have ideas. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Do I dare say we have two (2) 100Mbs circuits for $1500 :)! Of course we were fortunate that we were able to run a wireless backhaul link to a CLEC hotel and thus only have to pay for the data portion since we eliminated the ridiculously cost of the last mile loop charges the ILEC gets. We also are possibly looking at Comcast for a third BGP session, but it is my understanding that they only provide BGP on their Ethernet fiber services...haven't yet confirmed that though. http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/dedicated-internet.aspx On 09/01/2010 03:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
That is Henry Street in Indy. It is the main colo facility where all the carriers are. My company has had rack space at Henry Street since early 2008 in Lifeline Data Center. Lifeline has another new data center further east in Indy. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I'll call shortly. It looks like there's a cluster there near 70 and the river I'd look into. http://www.datacentermap.com/usa/indiana/indianapolis/map.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 3:50 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the central office for Mooresville. So, our options are ATT, or Comcast (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you have ideas. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Eric,I have been trying for months to get someone at att to sell me fiber that is already in my building,they don't call back or dont know who to have me call!!Can you help?Thanks!Jason --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 5:47 PM That is Henry Street in Indy. It is the main colo facility where all the carriers are. My company has had rack space at Henry Street since early 2008 in Lifeline Data Center. Lifeline has another new data center further east in Indy. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I'll call shortly. It looks like there's a cluster there near 70 and the river I'd look into. http://www.datacentermap.com/usa/indiana/indianapolis/map.html - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 3:50 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: We are only 8 miles from Indy, but there are no other CLECs in the central office for Mooresville. So, our options are ATT, or Comcast (because they have coax). Shoot me a call (317) 831-3000 x200 if you have ideas. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers I think we spoke once before. You're not too far out from Indianapolis, so you should be able to get IP there at a decent rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/1/2010 2:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the ethical thing to do is honor it. BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow that. There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a contract term or renegotiate it. A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business. A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a lower rate for the rest of enternity. Its called customer retention. When the market changes sometime contracts need to adapt with the new market conditions. One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time. I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower prices, for mutual benefit. Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but it doesn't mean that they wont. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
I agree...the economy sucks, use it to your advantage. Tell your vendor you're having a hard time paying the current rate and that you need to get the price lowered or you may have to look at closing your doors. You'll be amazed at how many will change their tune regarding contract terms. Another thing to try is that if you can get a lower price you'll reup on the contract for another 3 years...or whatever your current contract period was. Bret On 09/01/2010 08:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the ethical thing to do is honor it. BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow that. There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a contract term or renegotiate it. A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business. A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a lower rate for the rest of enternity. Its called customer retention. When the market changes sometime contracts need to adapt with the new market conditions. One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time. I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower prices, for mutual benefit. Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but it doesn't mean that they wont. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnsont...@ida.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
You can almost always get the new pricing, if you want to sign a new contract for the same as your existing one. I have done that at least 20 times with Qwest on PRI and T1 lines for customers. The original poster just said they won't give me the new pricing. Sometimes you have to work at it, but as you said, most of the time they are willing to do it if the new contract total value is more than the existing contract value. Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 6:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the ethical thing to do is honor it. BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow that. There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a contract term or renegotiate it. A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business. A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a lower rate for the rest of enternity. Its called customer retention. When the market changes sometime contracts need to adapt with the new market conditions. One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time. I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower prices, for mutual benefit. Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but it doesn't mean that they wont. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnsont...@ida.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end of the contract? How does that make sense? Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses. The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast. Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP peering? What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with ATT Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo. That is less than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit. I called my sales rep and they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am under contract... When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!? Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
