Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
The purpose of Trango is A solid robust enclosure with internal distribution boards for POE and CAT5 connections and such. A supplier with consistent availabilty. Price not bad, when bundled with Atlas Backhauls for your mesh system. A FCC legal Unit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see being placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system options for wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has limited my ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I still use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / etc. I would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from anyone that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about $300K on gear last year. Vendors take note! Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system. However, it is just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system. The cards I am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my knowledge, waiting for the FCC to come back up). I will have my Mikrotik certification issues sorted out this summer. As Marlon said earlier, the FCC isn't going after ma and pa WISP, but after gross negligence in vendors and manufacturers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see being placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system options for wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has limited my ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I still use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / etc. I would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from anyone that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about $300K on gear last year. Vendors take note! Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
It's called prioritization, we all do it. Going after ma and pa wisp isn't very high on their list of things to do. With as rare as they bust a rogue vendor or manufacturer, how often do you think they go after someone intentionally using grossly overpowered gear, much less certified radio\antenna combo's. They're going to go after a rice rocket going 105 mph in a 65 before a Ford F-150 doing 70. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: It's called prioritization, we all do it. Going after ma and pa wisp isn't very high on their list of things to do. With as rare as they bust a rogue vendor or manufacturer, how often do you think they go after someone intentionally using grossly overpowered gear, much less certified radio\antenna combo's. They're going to go after a rice rocket going 105 mph in a 65 before a Ford F-150 doing 70. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking tech who rolled his own systems. I very much doubt we would be as far forward as we are without the shade tree wisp types. Even Moto got one hell of a kick start by converting 802.11b systems over to their platform. I'm sure Alvarion, Trango and the others are doing well with fork lift upgrades by wisps who did what they had to to get going. Yes, today is a the beginning of a new era, one which will demand certification, but lets not forget our roots, and lets stop casting stones or trying to paint a nasty picture of some. Those who have never deployed an uncertified system are either far and few between or have not been in this industry very long. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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George, I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are going to be a part of this industry then you need to play by the rules no matter how much you dislike it. Yes, there was innovation by breaking the rules in the beginning but that was before there was an industry. Now that WISP's are more commonplace the rules have changed and if you want to be a part of it you need to mature along with the rest of the industry. I guess I have reached my limit for the day so I will continue to pester you all tomorrow. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking tech who rolled his own systems. I very much doubt we would be as far forward as we are without the shade tree wisp types. Even Moto got one hell of a kick start by converting 802.11b systems over to their platform. I'm sure Alvarion, Trango and the others are doing well with fork lift upgrades by wisps who did what they had to to get going. Yes, today is a the beginning of a new era, one which will demand certification, but lets not forget our roots, and lets stop casting stones or trying to paint a nasty picture of some. Those who have never deployed an uncertified system are either far and few between or have not been in this industry very long. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
So are you telling us you are exempt, then? The justificatiom is that you are small- a Ma and Pa? Mikrotik certification is already sorted out. They are not approved. Look for the label on the end product. If you made it yourself, it ain't certified! Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system. However, it is just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system. The cards I am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my knowledge, waiting for the FCC to come back up). I will have my Mikrotik certification issues sorted out this summer. As Marlon said earlier, the FCC isn't going after ma and pa WISP, but after gross negligence in vendors and manufacturers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see being placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system options for wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has limited my ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I still use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / etc. I would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from anyone that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about $300K on gear last year. Vendors take note! Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yes, the rules have changed. They are more lax than they were in the past. As I said, I have a path to compliance. There was, is, and will continue to be innovation in this industry. If not, we're all dead. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? George, I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are going to be a part of this industry then you need to play by the rules no matter how much you dislike it. Yes, there was innovation by breaking the rules in the beginning but that was before there was an industry. Now that WISP's are more commonplace the rules have changed and if you want to be a part of it you need to mature along with the rest of the industry. I guess I have reached my limit for the day so I will continue to pester you all tomorrow. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking tech who rolled his own systems. I very much doubt we would be as far forward as we are without the shade tree wisp types. Even Moto got one hell of a kick start by converting 802.11b systems over to their platform. I'm sure Alvarion, Trango and the others are doing well with fork lift upgrades by wisps who did what they had to to get going. Yes, today is a the beginning of a new era, one which will demand certification, but lets not forget our roots, and lets stop casting stones or trying to paint a nasty picture of some. Those who have never deployed an uncertified system are either far and few between or have not been in this industry very long. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I am not exempt from anything, but my 11 customers and I can certainly fly under the radar using gear isn't harming anyone until I have completed my Mikrotik compliance efforts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? So are you telling us you are exempt, then? The justificatiom is that you are small- a Ma and Pa? Mikrotik certification is already sorted out. They are not approved. Look for the label on the end product. If you made it yourself, it ain't certified! Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system. However, it is just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system. The cards I am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my knowledge, waiting for the FCC to come back up). I will have my Mikrotik certification issues sorted out this summer. As Marlon said earlier, the FCC isn't going after ma and pa WISP, but after gross negligence in vendors and manufacturers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see being placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system options for wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has limited my ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I still use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / etc. I would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from anyone that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about $300K on gear last year. Vendors take note! Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mike, If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I am not exempt from anything, but my 11 customers and I can certainly fly under the radar using gear isn't harming anyone until I have completed my Mikrotik compliance efforts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? So are you telling us you are exempt, then? The justificatiom is that you are small- a Ma and Pa? Mikrotik certification is already sorted out. They are not approved. Look for the label on the end product. If you made it yourself, it ain't certified! Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system. However, it is just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system. The cards I am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my knowledge, waiting for the FCC to come back up). I will have my Mikrotik certification issues sorted out this summer. As Marlon said earlier, the FCC isn't going after ma and pa WISP, but after gross negligence in vendors and manufacturers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see being placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system options for wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has limited my ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I still use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / etc. I would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from anyone that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about $300K on gear last year. Vendors take note! Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Yeah, but your over the limit! :) I just want to know why the feds don't just drive on over to Teletronics in Maryland and shut them down? Heck why go after a 3000 little guys when you can go after one big guy. They've been selling unlicensed amplifiers and uncertified systems for as long as I can remember. Heck, talk about posting a message on this list, what about having a full blown catalog online advertizing US sales with prices next to them? I believe they should have spent the 3 or 4 g's to get the systems they sell certified before they sold them. They make millions easily selling uncertified gear and it's not a secret. Lets look at this from all points of view. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Unfortunately, their ACTIONS bear this out Dawn. As I said, when's the last time you heard of anyone getting in trouble for using the wrong antenna? Hell, people don't even get in trouble for using the wrong AMPS!!! And they made the amp rules stronger a couple of years ago. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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as a complete system. Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over a year ago. Travis Microserv Frank Crawford wrote: Travis; The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point. Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards
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Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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With good reason. It's not an acceptable solution if it's not certified. If someone takes you to court over interference (which they can!) you'd lose if they're using certified gear and you're not. The fact that it's Unlicensed spectrum takes a back seat until both are proven to be using legal gear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I would assume Dawn, that your statement like mine is an SS U Me tion. If the trango's plug into the ethernets and the cm9 is a wifi ap, then it's quite a stretch to say that the mt-cm9 combo alone is not certified. George Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. Dawn, the reason we do this is because we like the performance of our mt-star type systems over Trango, Alvarion, Moto, etc. If the system is certified with a board and cm9's, why would we not want and be able to use the system in the way we see fit? Why do we have to use Trango for the backhaul, if a cm9 is legit? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Every time I go to look up antenna\radio certifications: = NOTICE: Most of the FCC website and related electronic filing systems and documents (except for the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau's website, auctions and licensing systems) will be unavailable between 5:00 am EDT Saturday, April 28 and 8:00 pm EDT Sunday, April 29 for scheduled maintenance. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? With good reason. It's not an acceptable solution if it's not certified. If someone takes you to court over interference (which they can!) you'd lose if they're using certified gear and you're not. The fact that it's Unlicensed spectrum takes a back seat until both are proven to be using legal gear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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George, Trango would have had the whole system certified not just the radio card and the SBC. You can't take out a few parts from a certified system and consider it legal in any way shape or form. The system as a whole was certified including the case, the power supply and software. As far as I understand it if you change anything it would need to be re certified. The system would also need a sticker with the FCC ID # affixed to the outside of the case. Aren't you on the Cert Committee? Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: I would assume Dawn, that your statement like mine is an SS U Me tion. If the trango's plug into the ethernets and the cm9 is a wifi ap, then it's quite a stretch to say that the mt-cm9 combo alone is not certified. George Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mike, Why risk losing your business for using uncertified gear? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I don't think so. I think they probably have done the testing and got the certs for the board and the card. The trango stuff is a diferent test and cert that happened a long time ago. Lets not read more into it than whats there. We all know what a trango unit looks like and we all know how it works and we know that one works with out the other and has no effect on each other. Point we are making is, did trango and mt certify a cm9 with a board. End of question. Dawn DiPietro wrote: George, Trango would have had the whole system certified not just the radio card and the SBC. You can't take out a few parts from a certified system and consider it legal in any way shape or form. The system as a whole was certified including the case, the power supply and software. As far as I understand it if you change anything it would need to be re certified. The system would also need a sticker with the FCC ID # affixed to the outside of the case. Aren't you on the Cert Committee? Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: I would assume Dawn, that your statement like mine is an SS U Me tion. If the trango's plug into the ethernets and the cm9 is a wifi ap, then it's quite a stretch to say that the mt-cm9 combo alone is not certified. George Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I think there's much more important things to worry about. Do I use frayed cables linking an XR5 to a 6 watt amp into an omni? No. I mainly use radios that are relatively low powered, though I have a couple Ubiquiti. I use quality connections to connect them to quality antenna. I have yet to fully complete my research due to the FCC's site being down more than up when I'm doing said research. However, Ubiquiti has stated that they have certified their XR line of radios with antenna up to 32 dbi. I am not using antenna that large. I have read someone else state that uninentional radiator certification is pretty cheap and easy to achieve. I can go that route if things aren't already covered. If you take a step back and look at it, if Mikrotik products were so evil, surely the FCC would have imposed some sort of sanction on Mikrotik, their distributors, etc. They have not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Mike, Why risk losing your business for using uncertified gear? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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And so they should. FCC rules are not jokes. They have real fines. Just because folks have always done it this way and see everyone else doing it doesn't exonerate them from wrongdoing. Using uncertified systems is just plain illegal. Period. There are people in WISPA who have pictures of installations on their web sites clearly showing amplifiers and homemade systems. Some of the rest of you continue to make postings and saying that you are violating the regs. Now we have this discussion about Trango. Because Trango has some MT components in a certified system (which they may or not do- I don't follow Trango), now all of a sudden we are trying to imagine that these components must now be legal for *everyone* to use in whatever configuration they want, as well. What part of this do you guys not get? Most of you guys pay your taxes don't you? You buy license plates for your vehicles don't you? If you have towers that require lighting, you light them, don't you? Would your excuses work to protect you if you don't do that? Those of us who obey the rules aren't paranoid about it at all. Its only those who don't and are now realizing that they can lose their businesses over this. As I have said many times: Folks- tell/show your vendors that you are not going to use illegal systems. Look at Deliberant at an example of someone building from modules and getting certified. Those guys have it together! Does there have to be an example case where someone gets fined to make you guys see this? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Sure, if you can afford the FCC fine! Please post when/where you do this. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? as a complete system. Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over a year ago. Travis Microserv Frank Crawford wrote: Travis; The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point. Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List
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Ralph, your looking at this from the wrong angle. With the Trango / MT situation, we HOPE that they are certified, because that will mean it's much easier to get our own flavor of MT cm9 certified and that MT actually is involved in certification efforts. Till now there has been no indication they and others are. The crux of this ongoing argument is did someone certify a MT, routerboard, cm9 system? Skip the already certified Trango components. What we all want is this stuff to get certified, and your right on track to push for certification. It will benefit us all. ralph wrote: And so they should. FCC rules are not jokes. They have real fines. Just because folks have always done it this way and see everyone else doing it doesn't exonerate them from wrongdoing. Using uncertified systems is just plain illegal. Period. There are people in WISPA who have pictures of installations on their web sites clearly showing amplifiers and homemade systems. Some of the rest of you continue to make postings and saying that you are violating the regs. Now we have this discussion about Trango. Because Trango has some MT components in a certified system (which they may or not do- I don't follow Trango), now all of a sudden we are trying to imagine that these components must now be legal for *everyone* to use in whatever configuration they want, as well. What part of this do you guys not get? Most of you guys pay your taxes don't you? You buy license plates for your vehicles don't you? If you have towers that require lighting, you light them, don't you? Would your excuses work to protect you if you don't do that? Those of us who obey the rules aren't paranoid about it at all. Its only those who don't and are now realizing that they can lose their businesses over this. As I have said many times: Folks- tell/show your vendors that you are not going to use illegal systems. Look at Deliberant at an example of someone building from modules and getting certified. Those guys have it together! Does there have to be an example case where someone gets fined to make you guys see this? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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how much is the fine ? Where's it specified ? (SERIOUS question.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Sure, if you can afford the FCC fine! Please post when/where you do this. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? as a complete system. Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over a year ago. Travis Microserv Frank Crawford wrote: Travis; The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point. Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message
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I believe the FCC has the authority to fine up to $10k per incident. - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? how much is the fine ? Where's it specified ? (SERIOUS question.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Sure, if you can afford the FCC fine! Please post when/where you do this. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? as a complete system. Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over a year ago. Travis Microserv Frank Crawford wrote: Travis; The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point. Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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George Rogato wrote: The crux of this ongoing argument is did someone certify a MT, routerboard, cm9 system? Skip the already certified Trango components. Dumb newbie question. Doesn't the certification apply to a complete package, including antenna and software? Mikrotik's RouterOS software (and basically every other WISP-targeted Linux distribution) give you an easy way to change the radio power on the card (within the limits of the card itself). If you turn that power up too high, and hook up a really studly antenna, hey, you've just exceeded the power limits. Maybe on accident, maybe not. I don't think the FCC takes oops in lieu of fines, regardless of their sincerity. I thought part of the whole point of certification was to (try to) ensure that the product, as a whole, doesn't exceed allowed EIRP. You might be able to get that combination of hardware and software, and one specific antenna, all certified. And under the you can use other antennas as long as they have equal or less gain rule, that's a start. It's still a far cry from a completely certified system, though. There's just too many types of antennas out there, and too many radio cards. (Though that does bring up an interesting sideline - most of the good radio cards out there are using the same chipset. If we're going for components, would it be beneficial or even possible to certify the chip and not the whole radio card?) I'll refrain from a rant on how the whole certification process seems designed to actively stifle ingenuity, but it sure is tempting. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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...yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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How about the fact that 1000 other schools around the country are using it? :) Travis Microserv Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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If you cannot Google it out of the FCC website then I would make a call to a telecom attorney and ask for the legal docs from the FCC that state what emissions are considered to be legal for good health. There should be docs on this some place on the FCC website. You could show the docs along with the FCC stamp of approval on the device and this should cover you. Scriv Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? No standard FCC doc on this. There was a alarge study done in the UK recently. (Google would be your friend) http://airbears.berkeley.edu/wlan.shtml http://www.wlana.org/learn/health.htm www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Comsearch_whitepaper_*health*care_wp_TP-100322-EN.pdf www.red-m.com/downloads/case-studies/BAA%20Case%20*Study*.pdf - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
It is clearly a logical quandary to prove a negative and it is known by those who have other agendas as a technique to inject fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation has the death word, radiation, and easily causes fear due to the lack of response to the request to prove that it isn't harmful. However, so is a lit match, and with a lot more electromagnetic radiation power than an access point...and, in fact, a flashlight, too. The exercise that some, as in the case study, go through to prove that the levels are safe just feed the FUD since no level is unsafe up closer to the levels found inside a kilowatt microwave oven, most of which leak more into a kitchen than an AP does at 1 foot and at the same frequency. It apparently cost Motorola millions to counter the mischief makers over cell phones who tried to bring it to its knees with pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that got lots of press. It doesn't appear that any satisfactory response can be mounted to those who use these techniques...except time...time as taken by the coffee industry when the nut cases finally gave up and the power industry who are on the back side, now, of the power-line problem. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? No standard FCC doc on this. There was a alarge study done in the UK recently. (Google would be your friend) http://airbears.berkeley.edu/wlan.shtml http://www.wlana.org/learn/health.htm www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Comsearch_whitepaper_*health*care_wp_TP-100322-EN.pd f www.red-m.com/downloads/case-studies/BAA%20Case%20*Study*.pdf - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
I would suggest going there with some pretty pictures. You can tell anyone anything, and they may say they understand, But as House says people lie. Go there with some graphs of Spectrum Analysis of things like a AP at 25' versus a Microwave at 25'. Ask the parents how many of their kids care cell phones. Even go there with a sweep of the a large spectrum of some area. People that are worried about wifi poisoning probably got the concern citizen look from some other source, (News Media/tabloids, etc) and are oblivious how what else puts out Radiation. Ryan On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 10:31 -0500, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: It is clearly a logical quandary to prove a negative and it is known by those who have other agendas as a technique to inject fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation has the death word, radiation, and easily causes fear due to the lack of response to the request to prove that it isn't harmful. However, so is a lit match, and with a lot more electromagnetic radiation power than an access point...and, in fact, a flashlight, too. The exercise that some, as in the case study, go through to prove that the levels are safe just feed the FUD since no level is unsafe up closer to the levels found inside a kilowatt microwave oven, most of which leak more into a kitchen than an AP does at 1 foot and at the same frequency. It apparently cost Motorola millions to counter the mischief makers over cell phones who tried to bring it to its knees with pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that got lots of press. It doesn't appear that any satisfactory response can be mounted to those who use these techniques...except time...time as taken by the coffee industry when the nut cases finally gave up and the power industry who are on the back side, now, of the power-line problem. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? No standard FCC doc on this. There was a alarge study done in the UK recently. (Google would be your friend) http://airbears.berkeley.edu/wlan.shtml http://www.wlana.org/learn/health.htm www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Comsearch_whitepaper_*health*care_wp_TP-100322-EN.pd f www.red-m.com/downloads/case-studies/BAA%20Case%20*Study*.pdf - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Probably gets anonymously injected into the media by the cell companies trying to make muni-Wifi a worse alternative to paying $59 a month for mobile data service... - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I would suggest going there with some pretty pictures. You can tell anyone anything, and they may say they understand, But as House says people lie. Go there with some graphs of Spectrum Analysis of things like a AP at 25' versus a Microwave at 25'. Ask the parents how many of their kids care cell phones. Even go there with a sweep of the a large spectrum of some area. People that are worried about wifi poisoning probably got the concern citizen look from some other source, (News Media/tabloids, etc) and are oblivious how what else puts out Radiation. Ryan On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 10:31 -0500, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: It is clearly a logical quandary to prove a negative and it is known by those who have other agendas as a technique to inject fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation has the death word, radiation, and easily causes fear due to the lack of response to the request to prove that it isn't harmful. However, so is a lit match, and with a lot more electromagnetic radiation power than an access point...and, in fact, a flashlight, too. The exercise that some, as in the case study, go through to prove that the levels are safe just feed the FUD since no level is unsafe up closer to the levels found inside a kilowatt microwave oven, most of which leak more into a kitchen than an AP does at 1 foot and at the same frequency. It apparently cost Motorola millions to counter the mischief makers over cell phones who tried to bring it to its knees with pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that got lots of press. It doesn't appear that any satisfactory response can be mounted to those who use these techniques...except time...time as taken by the coffee industry when the nut cases finally gave up and the power industry who are on the back side, now, of the power-line problem. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? No standard FCC doc on this. There was a alarge study done in the UK recently. (Google would be your friend) http://airbears.berkeley.edu/wlan.shtml http://www.wlana.org/learn/health.htm www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Comsearch_whitepaper_*health*care_wp_TP-100322-EN.pd f www.red-m.com/downloads/case-studies/BAA%20Case%20*Study*.pdf - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
anyone have the FCC Cert# for the Trango Mesh ? I might just do that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Travis Johnson wrote: The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv ah -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Travis; The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point. Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over a year ago. Travis Microserv Frank Crawford wrote: Travis; "The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that functions as a WiFi Access Point." Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas radios are for backhaul. hope this helps frank - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and an RB532 for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless service. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified, why not just drop trango from the picture? What is the purpose of trango ? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of "will you fry our children" ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
