Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Ryan Spott]

Hey! Just who I was looking for..!

Can we get comment about your new Canadian overlords?

Can you hit me off-list (or on-list) regarding pricing for Aperto 3.65 APs?

ryan

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

> Ladies and gentlemen,
>
> Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by
> further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the
> "send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some
> deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it
> and hit the "delete" key.
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

I remember those days Pat. You're too quiet now :)

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen,
>
> Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by
> further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the
> "send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some
> deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it
> and hit the "delete" key.
>
>
> Patrick Leary
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Patrick Leary]

Ladies and gentlemen,

Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by
further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the
"send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some
deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it
and hit the "delete" key.

 
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Scottie Arnett]

ple, WE ARE 
>supposedly the leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between 
>business and politics at this moment.   Business IS politics, as the 
>politicians have decided to control business and the economy.   I don't 
>care if you don't like it.   I don't care if you want to pretend you can 
>ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree with my ideology, but 
>unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to operate a 
>business, we'll have none.   
>>
>>I have NOT gone looking for this fight.YOU did not go looking for 
>this fight.   They brought the fight to us, and we're now the bad guys 
>in the world.   They brought the fight, they brought the big guns ,and 
>they bring the laws, and they have brought into almost every detail of 
>your daily business now.   Why on earth do you think you can 'put it on 
>another list'?There's not some other plane of business we can 
>operate on where reality isn't going to intrude.  
>>
>>Welcome to hell.   Either we all fight like it, or we're all going to 
>live like it. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>++
>>Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>++
>>
>>
>>From: Jack Unger 
>>Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:47 AM
>>To: WISPA General List 
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>>
>>
>>Hello RickG, 
>>
>>Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. 
>>
>>The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed 
>up with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative 
>information that every WISP should know. 
>>
>>Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list 
>for that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference 
>between useful business-related information and personal, opinionated 
>political posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over 
>and over again throughout the years that he is unable to separate his 
>WISP business-related posts from his personal, anti-government political 
>posts. I addressed my concern about his latest post in a private, off-
>list email to Rick Harnish. 
>>
>>I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political 
>ranting that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however 
>continue to speak up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy 
>frogwater") continue to post content on WISPA lists that, in reality, 
>belongs elsewhere, on a political list.
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

l default would INSTANTLY end most
> importation ,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out
> of everything else, too.
>>
>>If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no
> attention, then you deserve the consequences.
>>
>>But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little
> gray matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE
> supposedly the leadership of our nation.    There IS NO SPACE between
> business and politics at this moment.   Business IS politics, as the
> politicians have decided to control business and the economy.   I don't
> care if you don't like it.   I don't care if you want to pretend you can
> ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree with my ideology, but
> unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to operate a
> business, we'll have none.
>>
>>I have NOT gone looking for this fight.    YOU did not go looking for
> this fight.   They brought the fight to us, and we're now the bad guys
> in the world.   They brought the fight, they brought the big guns ,and
> they bring the laws, and they have brought into almost every detail of
> your daily business now.   Why on earth do you think you can 'put it on
> another list'?    There's not some other plane of business we can
> operate on where reality isn't going to intrude.
>>
>>Welcome to hell.   Either we all fight like it, or we're all going to
> live like it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>++
>>Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>++
>>
>>
>>From: Jack Unger
>>Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:47 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>>
>>
>>Hello RickG,
>>
>>Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion.
>>
>>The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed
> up with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative
> information that every WISP should know.
>>
>>Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list
> for that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference
> between useful business-related information and personal, opinionated
> political posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over
> and over again throughout the years that he is unable to separate his
> WISP business-related posts from his personal, anti-government political
> posts. I addressed my concern about his latest post in a private, off-
> list email to Rick Harnish.
>>
>>I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political
> ranting that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however
> continue to speak up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy
> frogwater") continue to post content on WISPA lists that, in reality,
> belongs elsewhere, on a political list.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

> WISPA Director and Chair of FCC Committee
> 818-227-4220
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
>
> "little to do with wireless". -Jack
>
> Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
> "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
> satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
> relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
> to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
> WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
> be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
> Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
> doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
> If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
> the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
> messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
> Just my .02
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
>
>
> Stuart,
>
> I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
> and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
> the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
>
> I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
> things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
> control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
> which is not something we wish to do.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>
> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> business.
>
> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
>
>
>
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>
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Faisal Imtiaz]

il of 
your daily business now.   Why on earth do you think you can 'put it on 
another list'?There's not some other plane of business we can 
operate on where reality isn't going to intrude.  
>
>Welcome to hell.   Either we all fight like it, or we're all going to 
live like it. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>++
>Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>++
>
>
>From: Jack Unger 
>Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:47 AM
>To: WISPA General List 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>
>
>Hello RickG, 
>
>Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. 
>
>The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed 
up with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative 
information that every WISP should know. 
>
>Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list 
for that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference 
between useful business-related information and personal, opinionated 
political posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over 
and over again throughout the years that he is unable to separate his 
WISP business-related posts from his personal, anti-government political 
posts. I addressed my concern about his latest post in a private, off-
list email to Rick Harnish. 
>
>I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political 
ranting that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however 
continue to speak up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy 
frogwater") continue to post content on WISPA lists that, in reality, 
belongs elsewhere, on a political list.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[MDK]

The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and associated 
agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our ability to even BE 
in business is definitely of no concern when it comes to us as wireless 
operators.

Got it. 

And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT stop 
the waves from crashing over you.  

This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term ability to 
remain in business, feed ourselves, etc.   Yet, it is "bothersome" to you all? 

I am dumbfounded.Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or license-lite 
or even the best networking standards and construction standards are all 
important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we experience a global version 
of Greece and Portugal's recent little debacles.Do you know how far we are 
from it?Inches.   Literally.The United States government has a lower 
credit rating than a number of large financial firms.If you do not 
comprehend what that means, and how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE 
political change happen IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark.   

This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little more 
than each of us sharing our "collapse" story.   

How that can possibly be separated from "business", and we're all in "business" 
is... well, it cannot be.  Either we become political, or we all suffer. 

Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most importation 
,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out of everything 
else, too. 

If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no attention, 
then you deserve the consequences.  

But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little gray 
matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE supposedly the 
leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between business and politics at 
this moment.   Business IS politics, as the politicians have decided to control 
business and the economy.   I don't care if you don't like it.   I don't care 
if you want to pretend you can ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree 
with my ideology, but unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to 
operate a business, we'll have none.   

I have NOT gone looking for this fight.YOU did not go looking for this 
fight.   They brought the fight to us, and we're now the bad guys in the world. 
  They brought the fight, they brought the big guns ,and they bring the laws, 
and they have brought into almost every detail of your daily business now.   
Why on earth do you think you can 'put it on another list'?There's not some 
other plane of business we can operate on where reality isn't going to intrude. 
 

Welcome to hell.   Either we all fight like it, or we're all going to live like 
it. 







++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++++++++++++++++++


From: Jack Unger 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:47 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]


Hello RickG, 

Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. 

The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed up with 
and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative information that 
every WISP should know. 

Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list for that 
matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference between useful 
business-related information and personal, opinionated political posturing. 
Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated over and over again throughout 
the years that he is unable to separate his WISP business-related posts from 
his personal, anti-government political posts. I addressed my concern about his 
latest post in a private, off-list email to Rick Harnish. 

I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political ranting that 
I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however continue to speak up when 
serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy frogwater") continue to post 
content on WISPA lists that, in reality, belongs elsewhere, on a political list.




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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Jack Unger]

Hello RickG, 

Thank-you for expressing your opinion. The following is my opinion. 

The tax information from WISPA's accountant that Rick Harnish followed
up with and provided to the list is certainly useful and authoritative
information that every WISP should know. 

Posters to this free (open to non-Members) list and to any WISPA list
for that matter need to have the maturity to understand the difference
between useful business-related information and personal, opinionated
political posturing. Mark Koskenmaki has unfortunately demonstrated
over and over again throughout the years that he is unable to separate
his WISP business-related posts from his personal, anti-government
political posts. I addressed my concern about his latest post in a
private, off-list email to Rick Harnish. 

I won't waste anyone's time by re-posting Mark's latest political
ranting that I consider to be wildly out-of-line. I will however
continue to speak up when serial offenders such as Mark (i.e., "muddy
frogwater") continue to post content on WISPA lists that, in reality,
belongs elsewhere, on a political list.

I also ask that in the future, you (RickG) act more responsibly by not
quoting me out of context from a private email that I sent to another
so that you can make your political points. If you can't make your
business-related point based on the non-political, business information
contained in another's post, then perhaps you need some additional
practice keeping your focus on business matters and off of political
posturing. 

It is to Rick Harnish's (WISPA's President) great credit that he was
willing and able to take two "lemons" (Mark's irresponsible post and my
private email expressing concern) and make "lemonade" out of them by
forwarding the business information to WISPA's accountant and posting
the accountant's response on-list for Members and non-Members alike to
benefit from. 

THE BOTTOM LINE - 

1. I will continue to address posting abuse when it occurs on WISPA
lists. 

2. WISPA has just provided valuable business-related tax information
for WISPA Members and non-Members alike. 

Respectfully, 

Jack Unger
WISPA Director and Chair of FCC Committee
818-227-4220



RickG wrote:

  "little to do with wireless". -Jack

Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
"wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
Just my .02
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
  
  
Stuart,

I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.

I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
which is not something we wish to do.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish



  -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
business.

Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Harnish" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400

  
  
The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow

  
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[lakeland]

Ok. The truth sucks.  Another government burden on joe business.  What a PITA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman 
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:02:42 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

I agree completely.

WISPA is an association for Wireless ISPs.  Billing is a pretty big factor
in a WISP.  The name behind the list is "General" so I feel it is completely
on topic.

I would ask that we don't bounce back and forth saying this is or is not the
case.  Find the truth, the facts, then share.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, RickG  wrote:

> "little to do with wireless". -Jack
>
> Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
> "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
> satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
> relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
> to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
> WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
> be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
> Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
> doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
> If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
> the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
> messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
> Just my .02
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> > Stuart,
> >
> > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the
> list
> > and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article
> to
> > the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
> >
> > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have
> seen
> > things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> > join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we
> can't
> > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this
> list,
> > which is not something we wish to do.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Rick Harnish
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
> >>
> >> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> >> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> >> business.
> >>
> >> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> >> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
> >>
> >> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
> >> the
> >> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
> >> then One
> >> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
> >> Lists)
> >> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
> >> Week
> >> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
> >> an
> >> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
> >> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approva

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Josh Luthman]

I agree completely.

WISPA is an association for Wireless ISPs.  Billing is a pretty big factor
in a WISP.  The name behind the list is "General" so I feel it is completely
on topic.

I would ask that we don't bounce back and forth saying this is or is not the
case.  Find the truth, the facts, then share.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, RickG  wrote:

> "little to do with wireless". -Jack
>
> Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
> "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
> satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
> relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
> to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
> WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
> be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
> Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
> doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
> If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
> the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
> messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
> Just my .02
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> > Stuart,
> >
> > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the
> list
> > and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article
> to
> > the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
> >
> > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have
> seen
> > things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> > join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we
> can't
> > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this
> list,
> > which is not something we wish to do.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Rick Harnish
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
> >>
> >> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> >> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> >> business.
> >>
> >> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> >> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
> >>
> >> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
> >> the
> >> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
> >> then One
> >> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
> >> Lists)
> >> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
> >> Week
> >> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
> >> an
> >> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
> >> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
> >> (Send
> >> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
> >> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
> >> members are
> >> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
> >> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethi

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[RickG]

"little to do with wireless". -Jack

Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to
"wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl,
satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed
relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go
to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a
WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can
be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint.
Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that
doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced.
If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in
the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the
messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not.
Just my .02
-RickG

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
> Stuart,
>
> I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
> and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
> disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
> the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
> discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.
>
> I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
> things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
> join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
> professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
> control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
> which is not something we wish to do.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>>
>> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
>> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
>> business.
>>
>> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
>> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Rick Harnish" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
>>
>> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
>> the
>> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >1)      Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
>> then One
>> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
>> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
>> Lists)
>> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
>> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
>> Week
>> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
>> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
>> an
>> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
>> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
>> (Send
>> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
>> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
>> members are
>> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
>> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
>> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Code of Ethics
>> >
>> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
>> highest
>> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
>> in the
>> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
>> >experience, stability, integrity and competence.
>> >
>> >ARTICLE I
>> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the
>> business
>> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
>> >relationships.
>> >
>> >ARTICLE II
>> >
>> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
>> >industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
>> >wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Rick Harnish]

Stuart,

I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the list
and did not take any action.  Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then
disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay.  I have sent the article to
the WISPA accountant for further opinions.  I do think it is a valid
discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings.

I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though.  I have seen
things get out of hand in the past.  This is an open list and anyone can
join and it is publicly archived as well.  We do want to maintain a
professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it.  If we can't
control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this list,
which is not something we wish to do.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish 

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
> 
> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it
> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any
> business.
> 
> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on
> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ?
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rick Harnish" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400
> 
> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow
> the
> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning
> then One
> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA
> Lists)
> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One
> Week
> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists)
> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then
> an
> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated)
> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval.
> (Send
> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/)
> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list
> members are
> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/
> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3
> >
> >
> >
> >Code of Ethics
> >
> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the
> highest
> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership
> in the
> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
> >experience, stability, integrity and competence.
> >
> >ARTICLE I
> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the
> business
> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
> >relationships.
> >
> >ARTICLE II
> >
> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
> >industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
> >wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and
> regulations,
> >including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form
> 477,
> >and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement
> (CALEA)
> >requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not
> fully
> >compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible
> for them
> >to do so.
> >
> >ARTICLE III
> >
> >We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
> >dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
> >promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.
> >
> >ARTICLE IV
> >
> >We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public
> regard and
> >confidence in our Industry.
> >
> >ARTICLE V
> >
> >In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the
> Association
> >have further pledged to:
> >
> >a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or
> otherwise to
> >either another member of the Association or to any client or
> prospective
> >client.
> >
> >b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving
> due
> >respect to t

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Stuart Pierce]

Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it does have 
information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any business.

Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on internet 
access that they extended back in November 2008 ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Harnish" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400

>The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow the
>directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning then One
>Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One Week
>Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
>5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then an
>Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) 
>6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. (Send
>requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) 
>7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list members are
>to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ 
>8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
>http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 
>
> 
>
>Code of Ethics
>
>The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the highest
>standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership in the
>Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
>experience, stability, integrity and competence.
>
>ARTICLE I
>Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the business
>and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
>relationships.
>
>ARTICLE II
>
>We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
>industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
>wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and regulations,
>including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form 477,
>and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement (CALEA)
>requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not fully
>compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible for them
>to do so.
>
>ARTICLE III
>
>We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
>dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
>promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.
>
>ARTICLE IV
>
>We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and
>confidence in our Industry.
>
>ARTICLE V
>
>In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the Association
>have further pledged to:
>
>a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or otherwise to
>either another member of the Association or to any client or prospective
>client.
>
>b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving due
>respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others.
>
>c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties.
>
>d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall act
>promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are responsible.
>
>e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks are
>restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the tenets of
>reasonable precaution.
>
>f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
>prospective clients.
>
>g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association and
>participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with respect
>to that complaint.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM
>To: Rick Harnish
>Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
>
> 
>
>Rick,
>
>Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" wireless
>list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative
>political posts that have little to do with wireless?
>
>What is our policy?
>
>jack
>
>
>
> Original Message  
>
>
>Subject: 
>
>[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules
>
>
>Date: 
>
>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700
>
>
>From: 
>
>MDK   
>
>
>Reply-To: 
>
>WISPA General List   
>
>
>To: 
>
>WISPA General List   
>
>
>References: 
>
> 
>
>
><20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net>
>
>
>
> 
>
>http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-s

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

[Rick Harnish]

The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list.  Please follow the
directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues.

 

 

1)  Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning then One
Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One Week
Suspension from All WISPA Lists) 
5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then an
Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) 
6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. (Send
requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) 
7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list members are
to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ 
8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 

 

Code of Ethics

The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the highest
standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership in the
Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of
experience, stability, integrity and competence.

ARTICLE I
Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the business
and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional
relationships.

ARTICLE II

We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our
industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all
wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and regulations,
including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form 477,
and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement (CALEA)
requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not fully
compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible for them
to do so.

ARTICLE III

We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the
dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and
promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor.

ARTICLE IV

We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public regard and
confidence in our Industry.

ARTICLE V

In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the Association
have further pledged to:

a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or otherwise to
either another member of the Association or to any client or prospective
client.

b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving due
respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others.

c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties.

d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall act
promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are responsible.

e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks are
restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the tenets of
reasonable precaution.

f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or
prospective clients.

g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association and
participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with respect
to that complaint.

 

 

From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM
To: Rick Harnish
Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

 

Rick,

Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" wireless
list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative
political posts that have little to do with wireless?

What is our policy?

jack



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[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules


Date: 

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To: 

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http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-he
alth-bill/
 
It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business with a 
year.
 
Gas station.  Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck.Ebay 
purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year.
 
That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit".
 
Frankly, we should all just quit.   For a week.   Or a month.Call up the

White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we quit". 
When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will realize

it should consult someone beside