Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:50 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: If you are big enough, or if you are multihomed you can get PI space But you only get 3.14 addresses at a time. :-) (Sorry, could not resist) Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
In many ways this is certainly true. Look at the Roman water systems and roads. Where are the Romans now? Oh, never mind. lol marlon - Original Message - From: Clint Ricker cric...@kentnis.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? Want to truly take nothing? Seriously? The mere existence of the Internet is due to government funding. The wires that connect your little corner of Oregon to the great wide world? Probably wouldn't have happened without government subsidies. The same is true around the world. A lot of the research that drives the technology getting your bits across the wire...hmmm...government funding, as well. You're in the wrong industry to invent a moral highroad about government subsidisations. Telecomm is considered a utility, and utilities will always be subsidised by governments. Always have been, and always will be. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 5:29 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: The fact is, the only things we're doing wrong, is allowing too much subsidy, too many barriers to entry into the business, and too much tax money to be gobbled up. In all of these countries with so-called great broadband, how much is ACTUALLY spent by the consumers and taxpayers? Nobody knows. I will guarantee you it is WELL MORE than anyone pays here.No, not the price of subsidized services, the total spending divided by users and taxpayers. What is the actual return on broadband?I can tell you honestly, that with the exception of a small handful of my customers, the only return is time saved, with no monetary returns.For a few, it does have financial implications, and they do earn or save money.I'd say it was under 10%. Now, that's RESIDENTIAL customers.Business customers have a far different viewpoint... And they often pay well more than residential service prices to get SLA's, etc. Subsidizing the residential users with taxpayers is both economically wrong, and just plain common sense wrong. But as far as the article goes.. We need MORE free market and less interference. Broadband would spread faster, not slower. And be more, not less, competitive. But we have to recognize some things... There are historically created monopolies, and there are current monopolies, and these monopolies exist due to force of law. If there's anything that's held up broadband, it's these monopolies. Local and state laws often create monopolies by placing huge impediments to new startups, or wireless deployments, and often absolutely and totally forbid WIRED competition for phone and cable operators by offering exclusive franchises. The number of competitive wired phone operators is nil, for all practical purposes, for a lot of reasons. Yet, we have no end in sight of the wireless phone guys competing for your dollar. In rural America, far too much land is governmentally owned, and is the single largest obstacle to wireless deployments. Eastern Oregon, for instance is hugely Federal, some state, and tiny spots of private land. Trying to use federal or state land is just simply not feasible, especially if you're provider #2 for a town of 2000 people and you're trying to be cost competitive. And Congress can't seem to figure out that handing out grants to people who are experts at milking the sow in DC isn't cost effective or in any other way effective. Those who can, do, those who can't, get grants or loans. Not universally, but at least around here, that's the case. Here is Eastern Oregon, we have one company that invested minimal money of their own, but bilked the state for millions, and uses state money (mine, no less) to deploy fiber to compete with non subsidized WISP's and other ISP's. And, since their contract is written in a certain way, they use the LEAST cost effective means of reaching people. They get paid by the state to waste money, IMO. And are they friendly to being cooperative iwth other ISP's? Hell no. Every time you offer public subsidy, you simply invite the taxpayers to get screwed endlessly. And we're ALL taxpayers. If you want to lobby DC and get my support, then the following words and this idea will NEVER surface in what you say... Give us money from the taxpayers.If you want to talk tax breaks, if you want to talk legal classifications, if you want to talk about barriers to services, etc, etc... by all means, do so... but you lose me everytime you say we need money. If you can't make the business case for it without subsidy or grants, IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Period. And those poor whiny souls who bellyache about the position we hold in broadband penetration can have endless bleeding ulcers over it, they have no point worth considering. As I've said before... lots of people here
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
Thanks for the humor, Marlon! The romans infested my network last night. To make room for a new backhaul and some other stuff, we changed out our largest site last night - everything new and also containing all new IP's and routing. Unfortunately, I had accidently put a routing loop in the backhaul device, and when we hooked it up, we instantly buried the CPU with routing loops and it took me 2 hours to fix it remotely - mostly waiting for a totally buried CPU to respond to SSH input Then, just an hour or so later, the radio on the other end of the backhaul died. This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... The phone was ringing at 8:05, after I'd gotten about 5 hours of sleep... Ok, that's it. I'm ready for sleep again... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? In many ways this is certainly true. Look at the Roman water systems and roads. Where are the Romans now? Oh, never mind. lol marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain. Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well worth the money. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
no, don't have my own space yet. The renumbering isn't normally too bad. I did that not long ago, to shuffle around some subnets and make space for more clients. Painlessly and nobody noticed. However, I have ONE access point that's legacy with clients back from my startup time and it has a number of non-dhcp clients on it. This WILL involve a lot of drive time, to get all them fixed. The access points themselves do all the routing and store the DHCP settings, so, it's just a matter of downloading the config, hand altering it, and uploading. Our ip's are assigned to MAC addresses and it's really not all that troublesome. I just use a word processor and and do a replace for the first 3 and hand assign the rest.Takes perhaps 10 minutes per AP. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain. Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well worth the money. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
If you have a router in front of them create a src nat and dst nat rule for them then you can take it easy or not bother do the truck roll and just do it if you want in the area of one of the clients. Very easy to do with something like a MikroTik, StarOS or Imagestream router. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:51:49 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? no, don't have my own space yet. The renumbering isn't normally too bad. I did that not long ago, to shuffle around some subnets and make space for more clients. Painlessly and nobody noticed. However, I have ONE access point that's legacy with clients back from my startup time and it has a number of non-dhcp clients on it. This WILL involve a lot of drive time, to get all them fixed. The access points themselves do all the routing and store the DHCP settings, so, it's just a matter of downloading the config, hand altering it, and uploading. Our ip's are assigned to MAC addresses and it's really not all that troublesome. I just use a word processor and and do a replace for the first 3 and hand assign the rest.Takes perhaps 10 minutes per AP. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain. Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well worth the money. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
If you are big enough, or if you are multihomed you can get PI space John David E. Smith wrote: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain. Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well worth the money. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
The fact is, the only things we're doing wrong, is allowing too much subsidy, too many barriers to entry into the business, and too much tax money to be gobbled up. In all of these countries with so-called great broadband, how much is ACTUALLY spent by the consumers and taxpayers? Nobody knows. I will guarantee you it is WELL MORE than anyone pays here.No, not the price of subsidized services, the total spending divided by users and taxpayers. What is the actual return on broadband?I can tell you honestly, that with the exception of a small handful of my customers, the only return is time saved, with no monetary returns.For a few, it does have financial implications, and they do earn or save money.I'd say it was under 10%. Now, that's RESIDENTIAL customers.Business customers have a far different viewpoint... And they often pay well more than residential service prices to get SLA's, etc. Subsidizing the residential users with taxpayers is both economically wrong, and just plain common sense wrong. But as far as the article goes.. We need MORE free market and less interference. Broadband would spread faster, not slower. And be more, not less, competitive. But we have to recognize some things... There are historically created monopolies, and there are current monopolies, and these monopolies exist due to force of law. If there's anything that's held up broadband, it's these monopolies. Local and state laws often create monopolies by placing huge impediments to new startups, or wireless deployments, and often absolutely and totally forbid WIRED competition for phone and cable operators by offering exclusive franchises. The number of competitive wired phone operators is nil, for all practical purposes, for a lot of reasons. Yet, we have no end in sight of the wireless phone guys competing for your dollar. In rural America, far too much land is governmentally owned, and is the single largest obstacle to wireless deployments. Eastern Oregon, for instance is hugely Federal, some state, and tiny spots of private land. Trying to use federal or state land is just simply not feasible, especially if you're provider #2 for a town of 2000 people and you're trying to be cost competitive. And Congress can't seem to figure out that handing out grants to people who are experts at milking the sow in DC isn't cost effective or in any other way effective. Those who can, do, those who can't, get grants or loans. Not universally, but at least around here, that's the case. Here is Eastern Oregon, we have one company that invested minimal money of their own, but bilked the state for millions, and uses state money (mine, no less) to deploy fiber to compete with non subsidized WISP's and other ISP's. And, since their contract is written in a certain way, they use the LEAST cost effective means of reaching people. They get paid by the state to waste money, IMO. And are they friendly to being cooperative iwth other ISP's? Hell no. Every time you offer public subsidy, you simply invite the taxpayers to get screwed endlessly. And we're ALL taxpayers. If you want to lobby DC and get my support, then the following words and this idea will NEVER surface in what you say... Give us money from the taxpayers.If you want to talk tax breaks, if you want to talk legal classifications, if you want to talk about barriers to services, etc, etc... by all means, do so... but you lose me everytime you say we need money. If you can't make the business case for it without subsidy or grants, IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Period. And those poor whiny souls who bellyache about the position we hold in broadband penetration can have endless bleeding ulcers over it, they have no point worth considering. As I've said before... lots of people here are arguing that since it's going to be spent, get your share. NO! If it has to start somewhere, it starts with me. I take nothing. Zilch. Never. Ever. Just do the right thing. Eventually, doing the right thing will be popular and can be sold to the saps in DC. But it has to start somewhere. Even if it starts AND ENDS with me... I'm doing the right thing, period. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband-101328 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
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. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband-101328 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Why on earth should it be? End the monopolies and end subsidies. There's no excuse under the sun for that to be. NONE \ insert witty tagline here You're in the wrong industry to invent a moral highroad about government subsidisations. Telecomm is considered a utility, and utilities will always be subsidised by governments. Always have been, and always will be. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
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I don't post on DSLreports, but here's my opinions with the various stories mentioned here and the sometimes illinformed commenters. 1. Painting all broadband providers as greedy isn't accurate. Greed is part of the problem, but not all of it. Nothing unique about that regardless of the line of work or opportunity. In reality, there is not much room for slow paying investment, as everything gets outdated quickly in the world of computing, so if someone can make a fast payback once in a while, it's good for the long term success of the company and it's ability to keep upgrading things. Small businesses like ours can use this payback for investment, bigger duopolies use this for either paying down massive debt from acquisitions or for making another acquisition. 2. Most of these writers except the one below get this wrong or don't clarify: Capitalism isn't failing us, because the duopoly is hardly capitalism, even though the duopolies might have stock ticket symbols. Phone especially, and to a lesser extent cable, have such a tremendous lobbying ability at ALL levels of government, they might be more capable at getting what they want than the government entity they are dealing with. I'm not exagerating, the phone companies have state government around their finger. The state government is a puppet of the phone companies in many respects regarding regulation and legislation. Anything that is better managed at a federal level also has another team of lobbyists and inside connections. Anything in between is litigated and appealed till the problem runs out of money, time, and business opportunity. Anything they don't want regulated at one level of government they manage to keep regulated at another level. I'm not following the cable companies as well, but a testament to their lobbying ability is when the phone companies wanted statewide franchise agreements, they were able to stop the phone companies from getting it for the most part. As far as more DSL, etc.. There isn't a need for government funding as much as a need for the government to remove artificial barriers to entry for more competition. The telco act of 1997 was a weak and slow start with insufficient followthrough. Wholesale DSL is more expensive than retail DSL in many cases, meaning no meaningful competitive choice as far as service choices riding on the same infrastructure. Poles access is pricy for rural areas, and the telcos make sure it's pricy and slow to get access. CO access options are expensive and few. Interconnection is pricey and complicated. Those things might be worthwhile in urban areas, but not in rural areas. This is why things like VOIP, Wireless broadband, cellular, and Sat TV are growing in leaps and bounds. We bypass everything we can (while staying legal) in the name of progress. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 02:19:33PM -0700, Jack Unger wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband-101328 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The statistics might appear to be distorted in favor of whomever has an agenda. This country has always has an enormous percentage of immigrants, many of whom require a generation to acquire the language and economics to participate in infrastructure, the Internet notwithstanding. Consequently, the stats may be viewed as suspect...according to the agenda of those screaming. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband -101328 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
I love it when some pundit tries to compare the U.S. to other developed countries. Name one with our size population, spread out over such a huge, geographically diverse, nation. Honestly, it just doesn't matter what Japan or Korea do...they are smaller geographically than many of our individual states, and most people live in extremely concentrated areas. I'm not saying that we can't, or shouldn't do better, but really... Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband-1 01328 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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The one I can't figure out is: if the system is so corrupt now that the incumbent lobbyists have a stranglehold on the nation's goverment, how is more government regulation going to fix the problem? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jeff Broadwick wrote: I love it when some pundit tries to compare the U.S. to other developed countries. Name one with our size population, spread out over such a huge, geographically diverse, nation. Honestly, it just doesn't matter what Japan or Korea do...they are smaller geographically than many of our individual states, and most people live in extremely concentrated areas. I'm not saying that we can't, or shouldn't do better, but really... Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband-1 01328 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
