Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-29 Thread Dylan Oliver 
On 6/29/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
Wild Blue , good example. Wild Blue is a fringe broadband player.Cable and DSL set the rules. They are the majority of the market.The majority of the market does not charge by the bit, but the fringe does.
Guess thats proof enough.No, it's not proof of anything. My *guess* is that charging by the bit really doesn't impact penetration as much as you *assume*. How many people even know what a bit is? Much less the difference between a bit and a byte? How many people read AUPs before they sign on. Etc. Questions, not assumptions.
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread George Rogato 

Wild Blue , good example. Wild Blue is a fringe broadband player.
Cable and DSL set the rules. They are the majority of the market.
The majority of the market does not charge by the bit, but the fringe does.

Guess thats proof enough.

George

Dylan Oliver wrote:
On 6/27/06, *George Rogato* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I understand the reasoning behind "why" a lot of operators want to do
this or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSL
doesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video
across the net watching news etc.

Unfortunately the market place has ruled out metered or measured
broadband. So we need to think about the future, and the future is a
busier network. Not sure I'd want to start charging by the bit at this
point along the way.


(just wondering) Do you have something to back up the statement that 
"the market place has ruled out metered or measured broadband", or only 
assume so because you do not see it being done? I know WildBlue, for 
one, meters bandwidth usage and limits it aggresively when one oversteps 
the allotted amount. And it sounds like Mac is doing pretty well with 
bandwidth caps. So how again exactly is a usage limit "ruled out"?


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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver 
On 6/27/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understand the reasoning behind "why" a lot of operators want to dothis or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSLdoesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video
across the net watching news etc.Unfortunately the market place has ruled out metered or measuredbroadband. So we need to think about the future, and the future is abusier network. Not sure I'd want to start charging by the bit at this
point along the way.(just wondering) Do you have something to back up the statement that "the market place has ruled out metered or measured broadband", or only assume so because you do not see it being done? I know WildBlue, for one, meters bandwidth usage and limits it aggresively when one oversteps the allotted amount. And it sounds like Mac is doing pretty well with bandwidth caps. So how again exactly is a usage limit "ruled out"?
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Sam Tetherow 
I just took a look at my graphs for 500 customers, mostly residential, 
and I'm running between 3 and 5 meg 8am to midnight.


Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Butch Evans wrote:


On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote:

5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month 
long. That equates to about 24kbps per user.


1,000 users * 24kbps = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of a 
T3) for 1,000 users. 2,000 users would be about 45Mbps.


Does my math work? I guess when you are talking about running 24 
hours per day, it adds up fast.



This would be something to worry about, but bandwidth usage doesn't 
work like this. You'd have to figure that at least 30% of the time, 
there is very little bandwidth usage, so that would leave about 16 
hours/day. Also, comparing a high speed (figure an average of 512k) to 
a 28.8 dialup is not really fair, either. For the about 70% of the 
time that people use bandwidth, you'd be able to safely assume that 
some of these users are daytime and some are nighttime users. I'd 
assume that they are about 75% nightime. So...75% usage would be 
running 5GB during about 5-6 hours/day over a 30 day period.


That is:
(5GB/30)/5 = 33meg/hour = or about 10k/sec average. multiply that by 
the 1000 users, and you only use about 10M during the peak time. 
Ok..so all of you with 1000 users, stand up! :-)


Really, there is not a good way to do this mathematically without a 
solid profile of your peak periods. This requires good graphing of 
your utilization. I'd wager that running 1000 users on a 10M pipe 
would get some complaints. Running 1000 users on a DS3 would probably 
be pretty close to full during peak usage times. Dual DS3 could run 
reasonably well, but that all depends on how much you allow each 
customer.




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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi 



What a great idea. Bring on the $5 routers.  
Not only am I not having to spend the $50 to give away the routers myself, I can 
now sell them at $70 bucks.  Many of my wifi users live in the middle 
of the woods with no possibility of a roaming user comming by capable to 
connect. Will they sell to ISPs? :-)
 
Now all I got to do is find someone to finance my 
Trango CPEs for $5. : -)
 
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless 
Broadband
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mac Dearman 
  
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:26 
PM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
  Washington
  
  
  This very thing is 
  why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my 
  TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There is no way 
  possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is prohibited by my 
  TOS)  their connection today with NAT and if you catch them what are you 
  going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying sub off your network? I 
  found that just writing that little “gotcha” in my TOS works best for us. 
  Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale bandwidth for a living and the more 
  I sell the more I make. I am the last one in the world who thinks we ought to 
  limit the amount of up/download data transfer!!
   
  Anyone know where I 
  can in line to buy about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can 
  resell them for $80.00 
   
  Mac
  
   
   
   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff BroadwickSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18 
  AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
  Washington
   
  Yeah, I saw 
  that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of 
  Service...
  
   
  Jeff 
  BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 
  
   
   
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 
  982-2181Sent: Tuesday, June 
  27, 2006 11:09 AMTo: 
  wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
  Washington
  
  For those that 
  still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-)
  
   
  
  Marlon(509) 
  982-2181   
  Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
  (Vonage)    
  Consulting services42846865 
  (icq)    
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  - Original 
  Message - 
  This guy needs to get 
  a job from FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html 
  
   
  
  
  


  
Wi-Fi 
Company to Sell Routers for Five 
  Dollars

  
Monday, June 
26, 2006


  
  

   

  


  
STORIES
  •
  Reports 
  of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly 
  Exaggerated
  
  
   
LONDON 
 — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn 
home Wi-Fi 
connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil 
on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless 
routers for just $5 apiece. 

FON, which 
aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless 
access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) 
Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the 
United States or 5 
euros in Europe.
Routers are 
small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to 
broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or 
surrounding neighborhood.
Juergen 
Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February 
raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) 
and Skype, 
is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social 
routers."
The goal of 
the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared 
wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an 
army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless 
access.
As the 
company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless 
Internet access not just to computer users but 
also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they 
roam.
(Story 
continues below)
   
  
  
  
  
  From: Kevin Owen 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
  Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AMTo: 'Mike Hall'Subject: FW: Wireless In

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi 



People just want it to work.  Internet Access 
without support is a doomed model before the start, and will never be a win 
for anyone.  As far as ISP's Internet bandwidth being 
stolen
 
Thats why you do abndwdith management by Weighted 
Priority Method.  Let them use the pipe as long as its available, and 
when its not, they are allocated their equal share of time slices (like 
dealing out cards).
 
Maybe it will mean ISPs will enforce acceptable Use 
policies.  MAy a standard day of maintenance for an WISP will no longer 
just be cell site inspections, but random drive by WAR drivingto look for 
unprotected networks of the consumer.  Maybe fees will be assessed on 
non-secured networks. For example, AUP policy list "no sharing" and "secure WIFI 
requirement", and $25 fine per week for service that is left 
unsecured. First time warning, second time auto-added to the bill.  
Maybe it means, ISPS will require access the the end users Wifi ROuter, as a 
terms of service, so it can be managed that WEP is used, and number of connected 
computers. Maybe a 5 computer limit gets added?  
 
Its a very doable option for an ISP to track how 
many connections exist behind a NAT router, by packet inspection. Its also then possible to limit them as well. 
 
 
Then there are the pressures that the home owner 
has based on his own liabilties and performance risks, opening himself up to 
security concerns.
 
The next issue would be  if FON could be sued 
for aiding and embedding. FONs actions are no different than NAPSTER's as far a 
encouragign illegal activity on the Internet.
 
 
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless 
Broadband
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marlon K. 
  Schafer (509) 982-2181 
  To: wireless@wispa.org ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:08 
  AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
  Washington
  
  For those that still think the all you can eat 
  option is a good one :-)
   
  Marlon(509) 
  982-2181   
  Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
  (Vonage)    
  Consulting services42846865 
  (icq)    
  And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  
  This guy needs to get 
  a job from FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html 
  
   
  
  
  


  
Wi-Fi 
Company to Sell Routers for Five 
  Dollars

  
Monday, June 
26, 2006


  
  

   

  


  
STORIES
  •
  Reports 
  of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly 
  Exaggerated
  
  
   
LONDON 
 — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn 
home Wi-Fi 
connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil 
on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless 
routers for just $5 apiece. 

FON, which 
aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless 
access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) 
Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the 
United States or 5 
euros in Europe.
Routers are 
small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to 
broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or 
surrounding neighborhood.
Juergen 
Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February 
raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) 
and Skype, 
is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social 
routers."
The goal of 
the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared 
wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an 
army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless 
access.
As the 
company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless 
Internet access not just to computer users but 
also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they 
roam.
(Story 
continues below)
   
  
  
  
  
  From: Kevin Owen 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
  Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AMTo: 'Mike Hall'Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  From: Marlon K. 
  Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 
  AMTo: webmaster; 
  omimoCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi 
I'd also argue that the $50 one time cost of a router is not nearly enough 
compenasation for a home user to risk their connection security and 
performance, or what ever other features are getting forced on them by 
accepting the $5 router.  Consdiering they are likely paying $50 PER MONTH 
for their broadband connection.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John J. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington


This should be reason enough for a close look at TOS and pricing mechanisms. 
If your clients have to pay more for usage, then they will think twice 
before buying into this.


Fry's Electronics usually has a $20 wireless router on sale so this is not 
the only possible threat. The $20 wireless router they sell usually freezes 
after a couple of hours of heavy usage though...


John



-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 08:08 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

For those that still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-)

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - 

This guy needs to get a job from FON. 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html




 Wi-Fi Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars

 Monday, June 26, 2006




  STORIES

   .

   Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated



 LONDON  - FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn 
home Wi-Fi connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set 
to unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers for just 
$5 apiece.


 FON, which aims to create a network of home users and small 
businesses to resell wireless access to passersby, said on Sunday it will 
subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the United 
States or 5 euros in Europe.


 Routers are small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet 
connections to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a 
home, business or surrounding neighborhood.


 Juergen Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in 
February raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of 
Google (GOOG) and Skype, is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into 
what it calls "social routers."


 The goal of the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block 
networks of shared wireless connections around the globe, turning local 
Wi-Fi users into an army of "foneros" - its term for people who share 
wireless access.


 As the company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet 
access not just to computer users but also for mobile phones and the 
latest portable gaming devices as they roam.


 (Story continues below)







From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AM
To: 'Mike Hall'
Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington










From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 AM
To: webmaster; omimo
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington



Hiya,

Comments below.

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- Original Message - 
From: webmaster

To: omimo
Cc: Marlon Schafer
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington


I have forwarded your inquiry for reply.

Mary
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From: omimo

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: Wireless In Washington


Hi,

I was really encouraged by your experiences starting up a wireless network 
service.




mks:  Thanks!



I'm about to move to a house near Uniontown WA.



mks:  Cool.  You'll like it there.

I am sad because I have to give up my connection that I 'borrow' from my 
landlord thanks to a small repeater sitting on his kitchen windowsill and a 
converted steel salad bowl with my D-Link USB unit attached. Range: 150 
yards with 56Mbps to his home network.




mks

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread George Rogato 





That is:
(5GB/30)/5 = 33meg/hour = or about 10k/sec average.  multiply that by 
the 1000 users, and you only use about 10M during the peak time. 


Butch Evans
Network Engineering and Security Consulting
573-276-2879
http://www.butchevans.com/
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)



I understand the reasoning behind "why" a lot of operators want to do 
this or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSL 
doesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video 
across the net watching news etc.


Unfortunately the market place has ruled out metered or measured 
broadband. So we need to think about the future, and the future is a 
busier network. Not sure I'd want to start charging by the bit at this 
point along the way.


I suppose if I only sold a cheapo average good enough service then I'd 
be thinking differently. But I don't think that type of operation will 
stand up to competition these days. Times are changing.


We got to find a cheaper way to connect people faster.



--
George Rogato

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RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread JohnnyO 
Title: Message



*snip* 
We have a download factor many times greater than 24kbs 
  <2Mbs>
 
Mac
 
*snip*
 
Mac - 
shuddup and goto sleep ! :)
 
JohnnyO

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Mac DearmanSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:03 PMTo: 
  'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
  Washington
  
  Travis,
   
    I did not 
  check your math as I am full of Enchiladas and Negra Modelo 
  Cerveza.
   
   I am pretty 
  confident in your addition and multiplication though and even if it “may” be 
  wrong – It’s OK.
   
     
   
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis JohnsonSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:46 
  PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
  Washington
   
  Hi,Just for fun, I wanted to see how much 
  usage that would be... so, here is some very quick and dirty 
  math...5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all 
  month long. That equates to about 24kbps per user.1,000 users * 24kbps 
  = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of a T3) for 1,000 users. 2,000 
  users would be about 45Mbps.Does my math work? I guess when you are 
  talking about running 24 hours per day, it adds up 
  fast.TravisMicroservJohnnyO wrote: 
  
  
  If every customer on 
  my network did 5gig / mo - it would be no problem. Here is the kicker though - 
  70% of our customers use less then 1gig per month 
  useage.
  
   
  
  JohnnyO
  
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Travis 
JohnsonSent: Tuesday, June 
27, 2006 1:56 PMTo: 
WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
Washington
Mac,So if every user on your network did 
5Gig of transfer per month, your network would be OK? 
;)TravisMicroservMac Dearman wrote: 

This 
very thing is why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month 
written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There 
is no way possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is 
prohibited by my TOS)  their connection today with NAT and if you catch 
them what are you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying sub off 
your network? I found that just writing that little “gotcha” in my TOS works 
best for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale bandwidth for a 
living and the more I sell the more I make. I am the last one in the world 
who thinks we ought to limit the amount of up/download data 
transfer!!
Anyone 
know where I can in line to buy about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? 
I’ll bet I can resell them for $80.00 
Mac

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Jeff 
BroadwickSent: Tuesday, 
June 27, 2006 10:18 AMTo: 
'WISPA General 
List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
Washington
Yeah, I 
saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of 
Service...
Jeff 
BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 




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On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer 
(509) 982-2181Sent: 
Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
Washington

For those 
that still think the all you can eat option is a good one 
:-)

Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
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  Wi-Fi 
  Company to Sell Routers for Five 
  Dollars
  

  Monday, 
  June 26, 2006
  
  


  
 
  

  
  

  STORIES
•
Reports 
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly 
Exaggerated


 
  LONDON 
   — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn 
  home Wi-Fi 
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to 
  unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless 
  routers for just $5 apiece. 
  
  FON, which 
  aims to creat

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Butch Evans 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote:

5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month 
long. That equates to about 24kbps per user.


1,000 users * 24kbps = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of 
a T3) for 1,000 users. 2,000 users would be about 45Mbps.


Does my math work? I guess when you are talking about running 24 
hours per day, it adds up fast.


This would be something to worry about, but bandwidth usage doesn't 
work like this.  You'd have to figure that at least 30% of the time, 
there is very little bandwidth usage, so that would leave about 16 
hours/day.  Also, comparing a high speed (figure an average of 512k) 
to a 28.8 dialup is not really fair, either.  For the about 70% of 
the time that people use bandwidth, you'd be able to safely assume 
that some of these users are daytime and some are nighttime users. 
I'd assume that they are about 75% nightime.  So...75% usage would 
be running 5GB during about 5-6 hours/day over a 30 day period.


That is:
(5GB/30)/5 = 33meg/hour = or about 10k/sec average.  multiply that 
by the 1000 users, and you only use about 10M during the peak time. 
Ok..so all of you with 1000 users, stand up!  :-)


Really, there is not a good way to do this mathematically without a 
solid profile of your peak periods.  This requires good graphing of 
your utilization.  I'd wager that running 1000 users on a 10M pipe 
would get some complaints.  Running 1000 users on a DS3 would 
probably be pretty close to full during peak usage times.  Dual DS3 
could run reasonably well, but that all depends on how much you 
allow each customer.


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RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Mac Dearman 
Title: Message








Travis,

 

  I did not check your math as I am full
of Enchiladas and Negra Modelo Cerveza.

 

 I am pretty confident in your addition
and multiplication though and even if it “may” be wrong – It’s
OK.

 

  We have a download factor many times
greater than 24kbs   <2Mbs>

 

Mac

 

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:46
PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless
In Washington



 

Hi,

Just for fun, I wanted to see how much usage that would be... so, here is some
very quick and dirty math...

5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month long. That
equates to about 24kbps per user.

1,000 users * 24kbps = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of a T3) for
1,000 users. 2,000 users would be about 45Mbps.

Does my math work? I guess when you are talking about running 24 hours per day,
it adds up fast.

Travis
Microserv

JohnnyO wrote: 



If every customer on my network did 5gig /
mo - it would be no problem. Here is the kicker though - 70% of our customers
use less then 1gig per month useage.





 





JohnnyO





-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:56
PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless
In Washington

Mac,

So if every user on your network did 5Gig of transfer per month, your network
would be OK? ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote: 

This
very thing is why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month
written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There is
no way possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is prohibited
by my TOS)  their connection today with NAT and if you catch them what are
you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying sub off your network? I
found that just writing that little “gotcha” in my TOS works best
for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale bandwidth for a living and
the more I sell the more I make. I am the last one in the world who thinks we
ought to limit the amount of up/download data transfer!!

Anyone know where I can in line
to buy about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can resell
them for $80.00 

Mac







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18
AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless
In Washington





Yeah, I saw that...everyone
should take a good look at their Terms of Service...



Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09
AM
To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington





For those that still think the all
you can eat option is a good one :-)







Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
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- Original Message - 



This guy needs to get a job from
FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html







 
  
  Wi-Fi
  Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars
  
 
 
  
  Monday, June 26, 2006
  
  
  
   

 



 
  
  STORIES
  
 

•
Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
 

   
   
  
  LONDON
   — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn
  home Wi-Fi
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to
  unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers
  for just $5 apiece. 
  
  FON, which aims to
  create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless
  access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO)
  Linksys or Buffalo
  routers for $5 in the United States or 5 euros
  in Europe.
  Routers are small
  boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to broadcast
  wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or surrounding
  neighborhood.
  Juergen Urbanski,
  North American general manager, said FON, which in February raised $21.7
  million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG)
  and Skype,
  is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social
  routers."
  The goal of the
  Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared wireless
  connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an army of
  "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless access.
  As the company's name
  implies, F

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Travis Johnson 
Title: Message




Hi,

Just for fun, I wanted to see how much usage that would be... so, here
is some very quick and dirty math...

5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month
long. That equates to about 24kbps per user.

1,000 users * 24kbps = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of a
T3) for 1,000 users. 2,000 users would be about 45Mbps.

Does my math work? I guess when you are talking about running 24 hours
per day, it adds up fast.

Travis
Microserv

JohnnyO wrote:

  
  
  
  If every customer on my network did 5gig / mo -
it would be no problem. Here is the kicker though - 70% of our
customers use less then 1gig per month useage.
   
  JohnnyO
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington


Mac,

So if every user on your network did 5Gig of transfer per month, your
network would be OK? ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:

  

  
  
  This very
thing is why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month
written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There
is no way possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is
prohibited by my TOS)  their connection today with NAT and if you catch
them what are you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying
sub off your network? I found that just writing that little “gotcha” in
my TOS works best for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale
bandwidth for a living and the more I sell the more I make. I am the
last one in the world who thinks we ought to limit the amount of
up/download data transfer!!
  
  Anyone know
where I can in line to buy about a thousand of those $5.00 routers?
I’ll bet I can resell them for $80.00 
  
  Mac
  
  
  
  
  
   
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  On Behalf Of Jeff
Broadwick
  Sent: Tuesday,
June 27, 2006 10:18 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE:
[WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
  
  
  Yeah, I saw
that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of Service...
  
  
  
  Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 
  
  
  
  
  
   
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  On Behalf Of Marlon
K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
  Sent: Tuesday,
June 27, 2006 11:09 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org;
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [WISPA]
Fw: Wireless In Washington
  
  For
those that still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-)
  
  
  
  
  
  Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)    Consulting services
42846865 (icq)    And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
  www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
  
  
  -
Original Message - 
  
  This guy
needs to get a job from FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html
  
  
  
  
  

  

Wi-Fi
Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars

  
  

Monday,
June 26, 2006


  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  

STORIES

  

  
  •
  Reports
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
  
  
  
  

  

LONDON
 — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi
connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil
on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers
for just $5 apiece. 
FON, which
aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless
access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO)
Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in
the United States
or 5 euros in Europe.
Routers are
small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to
broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business
or surrounding neighborhood.
Juergen
Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February
raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG)
and Skype,
is looking to turn the brand-name eq

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Mac Dearman 








If every user used 5Gig up and 5 gigs down
- - that would just be a good idle speed J 

.

 I’m over geared, over hyped, over
worked and under paid in N. Louisiana.

 

The truth is I only have 2 businesses that
use over 5 gigs per month and on occasions I have a P2P user that will exceed
that amount. Most of the time it’s a new user and they go crazy getting
music..etc   When the new wears off they all settle down to between .5gigs
and  2 gig transfer total for the month. I do have quite a few businesses
that we sell dedicated bandwidth to and we don’t count their data transfer
- - although it is shamefully little ;+) when I do look.

 

Mac

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:56
PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless
In Washington



 

Mac,

So if every user on your network did 5Gig of transfer per month, your network
would be OK? ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote: 

This
very thing is why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month
written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There is
no way possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is prohibited
by my TOS)  their connection today with NAT and if you catch them what are
you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying sub off your network? I
found that just writing that little “gotcha” in my TOS works best
for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale bandwidth for a living and
the more I sell the more I make. I am the last one in the world who thinks we
ought to limit the amount of up/download data transfer!!

 

Anyone know where I can in line to buy
about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can resell them for
$80.00 

 

Mac



 

 

 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18
AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless
In Washington





 

Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a
good look at their Terms of Service...





 



Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 



 



 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09
AM
To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington





For those that still think the all
you can eat option is a good one :-)







 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 





- Original Message - 



This guy needs to get a job from
FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html


 






 
  
  Wi-Fi
  Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars
  
 
 
  
  Monday, June 26, 2006
  
  
  
   

 



 
  
  STORIES
  
 

•
Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
 

   
  
  LONDON
   — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn
  home Wi-Fi
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to
  unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers
  for just $5 apiece. 
  
  FON, which aims to
  create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless
  access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO)
  Linksys or Buffalo
  routers for $5 in the United States or 5 euros
  in Europe.
  Routers are small
  boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to broadcast
  wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or surrounding
  neighborhood.
  Juergen Urbanski,
  North American general manager, said FON, which in February raised $21.7
  million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG)
  and Skype,
  is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social
  routers."
  The goal of the
  Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared wireless
  connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an army of
  "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless access.
  As the company's name
  implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet access not just to computer
  users but also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as
  they roam.
  (Story
  continues below)
  
 
 




 











From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05
AM
To: 'Mike Hall'
Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington





 

 

 









From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53
AM
To: webmaster; omimo
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread JohnnyO 
Title: Message



If 
every customer on my network did 5gig / mo - it would be no problem. Here is the 
kicker though - 70% of our customers use less then 1gig per month 
useage.
 
JohnnyO

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Travis JohnsonSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:56 
  PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: 
  Wireless In WashingtonMac,So if every user on 
  your network did 5Gig of transfer per month, your network would be OK? 
  ;)TravisMicroservMac Dearman wrote: 
  



This very thing is 
why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my 
TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There is no way 
possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too is prohibited by my 
TOS)  their connection today with NAT and if you catch them what are 
you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a monthly paying sub off your network? 
I found that just writing that little “gotcha” in my TOS works best for us. 
Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale bandwidth for a living and the 
more I sell the more I make. I am the last one in the world who thinks we 
ought to limit the amount of up/download data 
transfer!!

Anyone know where I 
can in line to buy about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can 
resell them for $80.00 

Mac







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Jeff 
BroadwickSent: Tuesday, 
June 27, 2006 10:18 AMTo: 
'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
Washington

Yeah, I saw 
that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of 
Service...


Jeff 
BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer 
(509) 982-2181Sent: 
Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
Washington

For those 
that still think the all you can eat option is a good one 
:-)



Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
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This guy needs to 
get a job from FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html 





  
  

  Wi-Fi 
  Company to Sell Routers for Five 
  Dollars
  

  Monday, 
  June 26, 2006
  
  


  

  

  
  

  STORIES
•
Reports 
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly 
Exaggerated



  LONDON 
   — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn 
  home Wi-Fi 
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to 
  unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless 
  routers for just $5 apiece. 
  
  FON, which 
  aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell 
  wireless 
  access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) 
  Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in 
  the United States 
  or 5 euros in Europe.
  Routers are 
  small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections 
  to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, 
  business or surrounding neighborhood.
  Juergen 
  Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February 
  raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google 
  (GOOG) 
  and Skype, 
  is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social 
  routers."
  The goal of 
  the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared 
  wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into 
  an army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless 
  access.
  As the 
  company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless 
  Internet access not just to computer users but 
  also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they 
  roam

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Carl A Jeptha 




As the ad says "Mac you are one sick puppy"  O:-) 
You have a Good Day now,


Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
office 905 349-2084
Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900
skype cajeptha



Mac Dearman wrote:

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  This very
thing is why I implemented a 5Gig
rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my TOS with a $10.00
per Gig
over the limit charge.  There is no way possible to keep someone from
sharing (although that too is prohibited by my TOS)  their connection
today
with NAT and if you catch them what are you going to do? Prosecute
them? Kick a
monthly paying sub off your network? I found that just writing that
little “gotcha”
in my TOS works best for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale
bandwidth for a living and the more I sell the more I make. I am the
last one
in the world who thinks we ought to limit the amount of up/download
data
transfer!!
   
  Anyone know
where I can in line to buy
about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can resell them for
$80.00

   
  Mac
  
   
   
   
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf
Of Jeff Broadwick
  Sent: Tuesday, June
27, 2006 10:18
AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA]
Fw: Wireless
In Washington
  
   
  Yeah, I saw
that...everyone should take a
good look at their Terms of Service...
  
   
  
  Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 
  
   
  
   
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509)
982-2181
  Sent: Tuesday, June
27, 2006 11:09
AM
  To:
wireless@wispa.org;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [WISPA] Fw:
Wireless In Washington
  
  For
those that still think the all
you can eat option is a good one :-)
  
  
   
  
  
  Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
  www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
  
  
   
  
  
  
 
  
  
  -
Original Message - 
  
  This guy
needs to get a job from
FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html
  
   
  
  
  

  

Wi-Fi
Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars

  
  

Monday,
June 26, 2006


  

  
   
  
  
  

  

STORIES

  

  
  •
  Reports
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
  
   
  

  

LONDON
 — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi
connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil
on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers
for just $5 apiece. 
FON, which
aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless
access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO)
Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in
the United States
or 5 euros in Europe.
Routers are
small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to
broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business
or surrounding neighborhood.
Juergen
Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February
raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG)
and Skype,
is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social
routers."
The goal of
the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared
wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into
an army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless access.
As the
company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless
Internet access not just to computer users but
also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they
roam.
(Story
continues below)

  

  
  
   
  
  
  
  
  From:
Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Monday, June 26,
2006 11:05
AM
  To: 'Mike Hall'
  Subject: FW: Wireless
In Washington
  
   
   
   
  
  
  
  From:
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May
31, 2006 8:53
AM
  To: webmaster; omimo
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Wireless
In Washington
  
   
  
  Hiya,
  
Comments below.
  
Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
  
  
  
- Origi

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Travis Johnson 




Mac,

So if every user on your network did 5Gig of transfer per month, your
network would be OK? ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mac Dearman wrote:

  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  This very
thing is why I implemented a 5Gig
rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my TOS with a $10.00
per Gig
over the limit charge.  There is no way possible to keep someone from
sharing (although that too is prohibited by my TOS)  their connection
today
with NAT and if you catch them what are you going to do? Prosecute
them? Kick a
monthly paying sub off your network? I found that just writing that
little “gotcha”
in my TOS works best for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale
bandwidth for a living and the more I sell the more I make. I am the
last one
in the world who thinks we ought to limit the amount of up/download
data
transfer!!
   
  Anyone know
where I can in line to buy
about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can resell them for
$80.00

   
  Mac
  
   
   
   
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf
Of Jeff Broadwick
  Sent: Tuesday, June
27, 2006 10:18
AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA]
Fw: Wireless
In Washington
  
   
  Yeah, I saw
that...everyone should take a
good look at their Terms of Service...
  
   
  
  Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 
  
   
  
   
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509)
982-2181
  Sent: Tuesday, June
27, 2006 11:09
AM
  To:
wireless@wispa.org;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [WISPA] Fw:
Wireless In Washington
  
  For
those that still think the all
you can eat option is a good one :-)
  
  
   
  
  
  Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
  www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
  
  
   
  
  
  
 
  
  
  -
Original Message - 
  
  This guy
needs to get a job from
FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html
  
   
  
  
  

  

Wi-Fi
Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars

  
  

Monday,
June 26, 2006


  

  
   
  
  
  

  

STORIES

  

  
  •
  Reports
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
  
   
  

  

LONDON
 — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi
connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil
on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers
for just $5 apiece. 
FON, which
aims to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless
access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO)
Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in
the United States
or 5 euros in Europe.
Routers are
small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to
broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business
or surrounding neighborhood.
Juergen
Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February
raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG)
and Skype,
is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social
routers."
The goal of
the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared
wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into
an army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless access.
As the
company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless
Internet access not just to computer users but
also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they
roam.
(Story
continues below)

  

  
  
   
  
  
  
  
  From:
Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Monday, June 26,
2006 11:05
AM
  To: 'Mike Hall'
  Subject: FW: Wireless
In Washington
  
   
   
   
  
  
  
  From:
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May
31, 2006 8:53
AM
  To: webmaster; omimo
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Wireless
In Washington
  
   
  
  Hiya,
  
Comments below.
  
Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: webmaster 
To: omimo 
Cc: Marlon Schafer 
Sent:

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Mac Dearman 








This very thing is why I implemented a 5Gig
rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig
over the limit charge.  There is no way possible to keep someone from
sharing (although that too is prohibited by my TOS)  their connection today
with NAT and if you catch them what are you going to do? Prosecute them? Kick a
monthly paying sub off your network? I found that just writing that little “gotcha”
in my TOS works best for us. Bring on the $5.00 routers!!  I sale
bandwidth for a living and the more I sell the more I make. I am the last one
in the world who thinks we ought to limit the amount of up/download data
transfer!!

 

Anyone know where I can in line to buy
about a thousand of those $5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can resell them for $80.00


 

Mac



 

 

 







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18
AM
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless
In Washington



 

Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a
good look at their Terms of Service...



 



Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
800-813-5123 x106 



 



 







From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)
982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09
AM
To: wireless@wispa.org;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington



For those that still think the all
you can eat option is a good one :-)





 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 





- Original Message - 



This guy needs to get a job from
FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html


 






 
  
  Wi-Fi
  Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars
  
 
 
  
  Monday, June 26, 2006
  
  
   

 



 
  
  STORIES
  
 

•
Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
 

   
  
  LONDON  — FON, a Spanish
  start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home Wi-Fi
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to
  unveil on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers
  for just $5 apiece. 
  FON, which aims to create a network of home users and small
  businesses to resell wireless
  access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO)
  Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the United States or 5 euros in Europe.
  Routers are small boxes users connect to cable or telephone
  Internet connections to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside
  a home, business or surrounding neighborhood.
  Juergen Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON,
  which in February raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders
  of Google (GOOG)
  and Skype,
  is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social
  routers."
  The goal of the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block
  networks of shared wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi
  users into an army of "foneros" — its term for people who
  share wireless access.
  As the company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet access not just to computer
  users but also for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as
  they roam.
  (Story continues below)
  
 




 











From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05
AM
To: 'Mike Hall'
Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington



 

 

 









From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53
AM
To: webmaster; omimo
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington



 



Hiya,

Comments below.

Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: webmaster 
To: omimo 
Cc: Marlon Schafer 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington


I have forwarded your inquiry for reply.

Mary
- Original Message - 
From: omimo 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: Wireless In Washington


Hi,

I was really encouraged by your experiences starting up a wireless network
service.





 





mks:  Thanks!







I'm about to move to a house near Uniontown
 WA.





 





mks:  Cool.  You'll like it
there.

I am sad because I have to give up my connection that I 'borrow' from my
landlord thanks to a small repeater sitting on his

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread John J. Thomas 
This should be reason enough for a close look at TOS and pricing mechanisms. If 
your clients have to pay more for usage, then they will think twice before 
buying into this.

Fry's Electronics usually has a $20 wireless router on sale so this is not the 
only possible threat. The $20 wireless router they sell usually freezes after a 
couple of hours of heavy usage though...

John


>-Original Message-
>From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 08:08 AM
>To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington
>
>For those that still think the all you can eat option is a good one :-)
>
>Marlon
>(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
>64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>
>This guy needs to get a job from FON. 
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html
>
>
>
>  Wi-Fi Company to Sell Routers for Five Dollars
>
>  Monday, June 26, 2006
>
>
>
>
>   STORIES
>
>.
>
>Reports of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly Exaggerated
>
>
>
>  LONDON  - FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home 
> Wi-Fi connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil 
> on Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless routers for just $5 apiece.
>
>  FON, which aims to create a network of home users and small businesses 
> to resell wireless access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 
> Cisco (CSCO) Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the United States or 5 
> euros in Europe.
>
>  Routers are small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet 
> connections to broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, 
> business or surrounding neighborhood.
>
>  Juergen Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in 
> February raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google 
> (GOOG) and Skype, is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it 
> calls "social routers."
>
>  The goal of the Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks 
> of shared wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users 
> into an army of "foneros" - its term for people who share wireless access.
>
>  As the company's name implies, FON aims to provide wireless Internet 
> access not just to computer users but also for mobile phones and the latest 
> portable gaming devices as they roam.
>
>  (Story continues below)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Kevin Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AM
>To: 'Mike Hall'
>Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 AM
>To: webmaster; omimo
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington
>
>
>
>Hiya,
>
>Comments below.
>
>Marlon
>(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
>(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
>64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
>www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: webmaster
>To: omimo
>Cc: Marlon Schafer
>Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PM
>Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington
>
>
>I have forwarded your inquiry for reply.
>
>Mary
>- Original Message -
>From: omimo
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:49 PM
>Subject: Wireless In Washington
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I was really encouraged by your experiences starting up a wireless network 
>service.
>
>
>
>mks:  Thanks!
>
>
>
>I'm about to move to a house near Uniontown WA.
>
>
>
>mks:  Cool.  You'll like it there.
>
>I am sad because I have to give up my connection that I 'borrow' from my 
>landlord thanks to a small repeater sitting on his kitchen windowsill and a 
>converted steel salad bowl with my D-Link USB unit attached. Range: 150 yards 
>with 56Mbps to his home network.
>
>
>
>mks:  G

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Jeff Broadwick 



Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at 
their Terms of Service...
 
Jeff BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 
982-2181Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09 AMTo: 
wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In 
Washington

For those that still think the all you can eat 
option is a good one :-)
 
Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 
- Original Message - 

This guy needs to get a 
job from FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html 

 



  
  

  Wi-Fi 
  Company to Sell Routers for Five 
Dollars
  

  Monday, June 
  26, 2006
  
  


  
 
  

  
  

  STORIES
•
Reports 
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly 
Exaggerated


 
  LONDON 
   — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home 
  Wi-Fi 
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil on 
  Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless 
  routers for just $5 apiece. 
  
  FON, which aims 
  to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless 
  access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) 
  Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the 
  United States or 5 
  euros in Europe.
  Routers are 
  small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to 
  broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or 
  surrounding neighborhood.
  Juergen 
  Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February 
  raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) 
  and Skype, 
  is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social 
  routers."
  The goal of the 
  Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared 
  wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an 
  army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless 
  access.
  As the company's 
  name implies, FON aims to provide wireless 
  Internet access not just to computer users but also 
  for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they 
  roam.
  (Story 
  continues below)
 




From: Kevin Owen 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AMTo: 'Mike Hall'Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington
 
 
 




From: Marlon K. 
Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 
AMTo: webmaster; 
omimoCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington
 

Hiya,Comments 
below.Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net 
meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- 
Original Message - From: webmaster To: omimo Cc: Marlon Schafer 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PMSubject: Re: Wireless In WashingtonI 
have forwarded your inquiry for reply.Mary- Original Message 
- From: omimo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 
18, 2006 2:49 PMSubject: Wireless In WashingtonHi,I was really 
encouraged by your experiences starting up a wireless network 
service.

 

mks:  
Thanks!

I'm about to 
move to a house near Uniontown WA.

 

mks:  Cool.  
You'll like it there.I am sad because I have to give 
up my connection that I 'borrow' from my landlord thanks to a small repeater 
sitting on his kitchen windowsill and a converted steel salad bowl with my 
D-Link USB unit attached. Range: 150 yards with 56Mbps to his home 
network.

 

mks:  
GrinI was so proud of that 
hack.

 

mks:  Big 
grin!My new place is about 8km from 
one of the local providers antenna's and 13km from anther one. The provider is 
First Step Internet out of Moscow, ID.

 

mks:  
Coolness.  I know those guys.  Good people.  Great network.  
I've cc'd Kevin from fsr for you.They have a 
1.5 mbps connection for $35/month but want me to use their Trango 5.3/5.8GHz 
antenna and a modem of their own spec that they want to sell to me.In 
addition to a $600 setup fee.

 

mks:  
H.  You sure that's the going deal for a residential connection?  
Sounds like a business one to me.  S

[WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 



For those that still think the all you can eat 
option is a good one :-)
 
Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 
- Original Message - 

This guy needs to get a 
job from FON… http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200989,00.html 

 



  
  

  Wi-Fi 
  Company to Sell Routers for Five 
Dollars
  

  Monday, June 
  26, 2006
  
  


  
 
  

  
  

  STORIES
•
Reports 
of Death of Dial-Up Internet Greatly 
Exaggerated


 
  LONDON 
   — FON, a Spanish start-up on an ambitious crusade to turn home 
  Wi-Fi 
  connections into wireless "hotspots" for nearby users, is set to unveil on 
  Monday a plan to hand out 1 million wireless 
  routers for just $5 apiece. 
  
  FON, which aims 
  to create a network of home users and small businesses to resell wireless 
  access to passersby, said on Sunday it will subsidize $60 Cisco (CSCO) 
  Linksys or Buffalo routers for $5 in the 
  United States or 5 
  euros in Europe.
  Routers are 
  small boxes users connect to cable or telephone Internet connections to 
  broadcast wireless signals to nearby devices, inside a home, business or 
  surrounding neighborhood.
  Juergen 
  Urbanski, North American general manager, said FON, which in February 
  raised $21.7 million from backers, including the founders of Google (GOOG) 
  and Skype, 
  is looking to turn the brand-name equipment into what it calls "social 
  routers."
  The goal of the 
  Madrid-based company is to build block-by-block networks of shared 
  wireless connections around the globe, turning local Wi-Fi users into an 
  army of "foneros" — its term for people who share wireless 
  access.
  As the company's 
  name implies, FON aims to provide wireless 
  Internet access not just to computer users but also 
  for mobile phones and the latest portable gaming devices as they 
  roam.
  (Story 
  continues below)
 




From: Kevin Owen 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Monday, June 26, 2006 11:05 AMTo: 'Mike Hall'Subject: FW: Wireless In Washington
 
 
 




From: Marlon K. 
Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:53 
AMTo: webmaster; 
omimoCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Wireless In Washington
 

Hiya,Comments 
below.Marlon(509) 
982-2181   
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage)    
Consulting services42846865 
(icq)    
And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net 
meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- 
Original Message - From: webmaster To: omimo Cc: Marlon Schafer 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:27 PMSubject: Re: Wireless In WashingtonI 
have forwarded your inquiry for reply.Mary- Original Message 
- From: omimo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 
18, 2006 2:49 PMSubject: Wireless In WashingtonHi,I was really 
encouraged by your experiences starting up a wireless network 
service.

 

mks:  
Thanks!

I'm about to 
move to a house near Uniontown WA.

 

mks:  Cool.  
You'll like it there.I am sad because I have to give 
up my connection that I 'borrow' from my landlord thanks to a small repeater 
sitting on his kitchen windowsill and a converted steel salad bowl with my 
D-Link USB unit attached. Range: 150 yards with 56Mbps to his home 
network.

 

mks:  
GrinI was so proud of that 
hack.

 

mks:  Big 
grin!My new place is about 8km from 
one of the local providers antenna's and 13km from anther one. The provider is 
First Step Internet out of Moscow, ID.

 

mks:  
Coolness.  I know those guys.  Good people.  Great network.  
I've cc'd Kevin from fsr for you.They have a 
1.5 mbps connection for $35/month but want me to use their Trango 5.3/5.8GHz 
antenna and a modem of their own spec that they want to sell to me.In 
addition to a $600 setup fee.

 

mks:  
H.  You sure that's the going deal for a residential connection?  
Sounds like a business one to me.  Still pretty cheap though, have you ever 
paid for a connection to the telco?  My last t-1 had a $500 install fee 
plus $500 per month and a 36 month contract.  I just upgraded to a 10 meg 
fiber link that whacked my $5000.00 in install fees!  
sighThere has got to be a way I can 
make this happen (and share it with my neighbors hopefully) in spite of the tech 
support spiel "we usually don't allow personal equipment to connect due to 
v