Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-20 Thread Jonathan Schmidt 
Scott, I’m not quite so sure.



If current flows back through the ground rather than neutral, that will
trip the GFCI.  The ground is BAD as far as the GFCI is, so the dryer
can’t be a 3-wire.



The hypothetical situation was an Ungrounded hair dryer and plastic pipes
(which would have to be totally dry…no moisture).  Then, current flow
would be only back through neutral and, therefore, no pop.



With any other slight variance and it would pop…such as moisture from the
faucet to the water line along the surface of the tub.



. . . j o n a t h a n



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Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:12 PM
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GFCI works by comparing the current on the hot side and the neutral side.
If they are different by more than a very small amount, it trips.
Even the static discharge from walking across the carpet and touch a
protected device can create enough current on the neutral side to trip
some devices.

The water in the tub doesn't have to be ground if the hair dryer has a 3
wire cord.  There can be current through the water to the dryer's ground,
thus creating the imbalance needed to trip the device.

The last time I read the NEC, you can string outlets off a GFCI outlet, up
to a maximum of 4.  After that you need another GFCI.

On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

GFCIs…you can’t live with them and can’t live without them.



A real problem is that they wear out…something that isn’t well known.  Old
GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!



About the hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming the water is ground, I can’t
imagine that exactly the same current from the “hot” side will 100% flow
back on the neutral because, if it isn’t, the thing will pop.



What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?



I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, too.
Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a
band-aid job.



If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before calling
you.



Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would
pop…probably because the computer was grounded through the cable router
and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy bookcase.  I’m
proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a drill with a ¾” bit
and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing the reset with a pencil
eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your customers understand this
since the GFCI that runs your service is the most likely to pop in a
thunderstorm.



. . . j o n a t h a n







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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing you, or
even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub full of
water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30
miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

Shelby Broadband






On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a
direct lightening strike.



For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-20 Thread Scott Lambert 
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 09:04:35AM -0400, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?

The tower at my house has gear plugged into the GFCI outlet nearby.
It seems to trip once every three or four months.

I've done some looking online for possible causes and the most
likely sounding explanation was that the equipment on the tower is
grounded to the tower and the tower ground system is not connected
to the electrical service ground.  

The AC panel is grounded to the electrical service ground rod on
the other end of the house.  I did not run the 80 feet of ground
wire to connect the tower ground system to the electrical service
ground rod.  I would have to break up some patio area to reach reach
the electrical service ground rod.

The postulation on the web forum was that in cases such as that,
there could be a very small difference in ground potential between
the two sets of grounds.  They suggested that the proper solution
would be to correctly connect the electrical service ground to the
tower ground.

Under certain circumstances the ground potential difference could
be increasing just enough to cause the GFCI to sense a fault.  The
last three times it happenned it was at around 8 AM which is about
when the tower end of the house gets fully bathed in the first
morning sunlight.  The service ground area is still fully shaded
for another 3 hours.  My best guess is that the temperature change
/ difference is causing ground potential variations.

I have a 3/4 inch copper, cold water, pipe running from one end of
the house to the other which I could use to connect the two ground
systems, but I haven't done the research to figure out if that is
safe.  The cold water pipe is plastic before it makes ground contact.
So, the pipe itself is not a good place to find an electrical ground.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-19 Thread Tom DeReggi 
Troy,

Related to GFI We've removed all GFIs from our implemntations for this 
reason. We try to redesign our isntall plan to a way that code wont require the 
GFIs.

As far as Dragonwave versus Mikrotik, one rebooting and not the other. The 
Dragonwave draws more current than the Mikrotik to operate, so its not 
surprising, if a short brownout spike occurred that the power flowing was 
enough to keep the mikrotik running, but not the Dragonwave.

One way to help with that is to have a overspec'd UPS. Running a UPS at 44%, 
power storage capacity in its capacitor's will be less sufficient to cover for 
power drops, than if the UPS was run at a lower load.  Another way to deal with 
it is to modify the setup to a Dual realtime power feed situation, so better 
chance one of teh two systems will deliver power, before a switch to battery, 
or if a breaker trips on one of the power circuits.



 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:48 PM
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  Next stupid outage at a different site.

   

  Specs:

   

  Generac 8KW generator

  Automatic Transfer Switch

  APC 450 rack mount UPS

  Mikrotik RB1200

  Mikrotik RB435 (3x 802.11n sectors)

  Dragonwave Compact Horizon #1

  Dragonwave Compact Horizon #2

   

  (I don't know how many horses, chickens, goats, pigs, and other critters are 
onsite, but I don't think they're an issue).

   

  Total load on the UPS is at 44%, estimated run is 25 minutes (long enough for 
the generator and switch to do their thing).

   

  Radios grounded to the tower, tower grounded and bonded to the shack.  Shack 
has two rods (panel -> Rod -> Rod -> Generator).

   

  Everything inside is bonded as well, including the drain wires on all the 
Cat-5.

   

  Yesterday, the Dragonwaves rebooted several times during the storm, but 
neither RB lost power even once.

   

  Any guesses?  I'm sleeping on it over the weekend, but probably need to get 
it figured out before too many more storms come over the mountains.

   

  Thanks,

   

  -Troy

   

   

   

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Behalf Of Troy Settle
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:05 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

   

  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

   

  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
violating code?

   

  Thanks,

   

  -- 

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The Wired Road Authority

1117 E. Stuart Dr.

Galax, VA 24333

(276) 238-0049 (office)

(276) 237-3890 (cell)

tset...@thewiredroad.net

   



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
I have not seen those... but there are GMS Controlled Relays that can be 
used to turn things on and off..


We use  such devices...

Just google for 'GSM Remote Switch' or better yet search on Ebay for 
'gsm remote switch'


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Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Victoria Proffer 
mailto:victo...@stlbroadband.com>> wrote:


Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

i.e.

strip   pstn > my computer

Victoria Proffer

314-974-5600

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-19 Thread Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing 
You'll need a solar powered battery pack if totally remote but instead of a
cell phone... you just need a 4g modem.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Victoria Proffer <
victo...@stlbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?
>
> ** **
>
> i.e. 
>
> strip   pstn > my computer
>
> ** **
>
> Victoria Proffer
>
> 314-974-5600
>
> **
>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-18 Thread Scott Reed 
GFCI works by comparing the current on the hot side and the neutral 
side.  If they are different by more than a very small amount, it trips.
Even the static discharge from walking across the carpet and touch a 
protected device can create enough current on the neutral side to trip 
some devices.


The water in the tub doesn't have to be ground if the hair dryer has a 3 
wire cord.  There can be current through the water to the dryer's 
ground, thus creating the imbalance needed to trip the device.


The last time I read the NEC, you can string outlets off a GFCI outlet, 
up to a maximum of 4.  After that you need another GFCI.


On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:


GFCIs...you can't live with them and can't live without them.

A real problem is that they wear out...something that isn't well 
known.  Old GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!


About the hair dryer in the bathtub...assuming the water is ground, I 
can't imagine that exactly the same current from the "hot" side will 
100% flow back on the neutral because, if it isn't, the thing will pop.


What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?

I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a 
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and 
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, 
too.  Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins 
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a 
band-aid job.


If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their 
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before 
calling you.


Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would 
pop...probably because the computer was grounded through the cable 
router and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy 
bookcase.  I'm proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a 
drill with a ¾" bit and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing 
the reset with a pencil eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your 
customers understand this since the GFCI that runs your service is the 
most likely to pop in a thunderstorm.


. . . j o n a t h a n



*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Blair Davis

*Sent:* Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten 
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing 
you, or even shocking you for more than a few mS


In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the 
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.


If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the 
circuit.


The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the 
leakage.


They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub 
full of water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.


I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30 
miles around, they trip...




On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK 
they do not provide any type of protection for devices other than 
cutting the circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

Shelby Broadband



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West <mailto:b...@gowasabi.net>> wrote:


To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to 
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring 
randomly (e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building 
received a direct lightening strike.


For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening 
protection, still lost a bunch of equipment.


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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-17 Thread Jonathan Schmidt 
Oops…that tells you I’m an old F@#rt.

Thanks, Blair,…you’re right.  Hadn’t thought of that.

. . . j o n a t h a n



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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:08 PM
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Often, in homes with plastic pipes, the water in the tub is NOT grounded!

On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

GFCIs…you can’t live with them and can’t live without them.



A real problem is that they wear out…something that isn’t well known.  Old
GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!



About the hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming the water is ground, I can’t
imagine that exactly the same current from the “hot” side will 100% flow
back on the neutral because, if it isn’t, the thing will pop.



What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?



I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, too.
Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a
band-aid job.



If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before calling
you.



Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would
pop…probably because the computer was grounded through the cable router
and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy bookcase.  I’m
proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a drill with a ¾” bit
and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing the reset with a pencil
eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your customers understand this
since the GFCI that runs your service is the most likely to pop in a
thunderstorm.



. . . j o n a t h a n







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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing you, or
even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub full of
water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30
miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

Shelby Broadband






On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a
direct lightening strike.



For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-17 Thread Blair Davis 

  
  
Often, in homes with plastic pipes, the water in the tub is NOT
grounded!

On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

  
  
  

  

  
  
  
GFCIs…you
  can’t live with them
  and can’t live without them.
 
A real
  problem is that they wear out…something
  that isn’t well known.  Old GFCIs may pop
  prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST
  THEM YEARLY!
 
About the
  hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming
  the water is ground, I can’t imagine that exactly
  the same current from
  the “hot” side will 100% flow back on the neutral
  because, if it
  isn’t, the thing will pop.
 
What am I
  missing about the bridge and the
  sensitivity?
 
I had my
  sister have all her old house
  sockets (at least the head of a string) equipped
  with GFCIs.  I took a cheap
  tester to her house and almost 50% of the AC
  sockets were wired wrong so they
  needed fixing, too.  Many had grounded outlets
  that had no ground, and ½ had
  the pins backwards!  I guess the folks who sold
  them the house in 1985 did a
  band-aid job.
 
If you have
  customers with older houses
  and old GFCIs supplying their modem/router, you
  should encourage them to test
  and replace before calling you.
 
Anyway, every
  time my sister had a thunderstorm,
  the office GFCI would pop…probably because the
  computer was grounded
  through the cable router and cable modem.  The
  socket was behind a very large,
  heavy bookcase.  I’m proud of her, because, by the
  second time, she got a
  drill with a ¾” bit and put a hole in the
  backboard to allow pushing the
  reset with a pencil eraser.  Hence, my
  recommendation to have your customers
  understand this since the GFCI that runs your
  service is the most likely to pop
  in a thunderstorm.
 
. . . j o n a
  t h a n
 
 
 

  

  
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Blair Davis
Sent:
Saturday, March 17, 2012
1:37 AM
To:
WISPA General List
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Preventing
stupid outages

 
GFCI's
  are to detect and prevent leakage currents.
  
  They monitor the current in the hot and the
  neutral lines.
  
  Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill
  or saw and gotten
  shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent
  that from killing you, or
  even shocking you for more than a few mS
  
  In properly working equipment, basic electrical
  theory shows that the current
  in the hot line and current in the neutral lines
  must be equal.
  
  If the currents are not equal, then current is
  'leaking;' out of the
  circuit.  
  
  The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the
  circuit to stop the leakage.
  
  They are not perfect, though.
  
  You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop
  it in a bathtub full of
  water without tripping the GFCI

Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-17 Thread Jonathan Schmidt 
GFCIs…you can’t live with them and can’t live without them.



A real problem is that they wear out…something that isn’t well known.  Old
GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!



About the hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming the water is ground, I can’t
imagine that exactly the same current from the “hot” side will 100% flow
back on the neutral because, if it isn’t, the thing will pop.



What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?



I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, too.
Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a
band-aid job.



If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before calling
you.



Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would
pop…probably because the computer was grounded through the cable router
and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy bookcase.  I’m
proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a drill with a ¾” bit
and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing the reset with a pencil
eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your customers understand this
since the GFCI that runs your service is the most likely to pop in a
thunderstorm.



. . . j o n a t h a n







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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing you, or
even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub full of
water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30
miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

Shelby Broadband





On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a
direct lightening strike.



For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Blair Davis 

  
  
GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing
you, or even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that
the current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be
equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.  

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub
full of water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for
30 miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:
I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from
  moisture mainly, AFAIK they do not provide any type of protection
  for devices other than cutting the circuit if it senses a ground
  fault. 
  
  DJ Anderson

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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben
  West 
  wrote:
  
To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets,
I had to remove one in a building when spontaneous trips
started occurring randomly (e.g. once every couple weeks)
after an adjacent building received a direct lightening
strike.

  

For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to
  lightening protection, still lost a bunch of equipment.
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle 
Next stupid outage at a different site.

 

Specs:

 

Generac 8KW generator

Automatic Transfer Switch

APC 450 rack mount UPS

Mikrotik RB1200

Mikrotik RB435 (3x 802.11n sectors)

Dragonwave Compact Horizon #1

Dragonwave Compact Horizon #2

 

(I don't know how many horses, chickens, goats, pigs, and other critters are
onsite, but I don't think they're an issue).

 

Total load on the UPS is at 44%, estimated run is 25 minutes (long enough
for the generator and switch to do their thing).

 

Radios grounded to the tower, tower grounded and bonded to the shack.  Shack
has two rods (panel -> Rod -> Rod -> Generator).

 

Everything inside is bonded as well, including the drain wires on all the
Cat-5.

 

Yesterday, the Dragonwaves rebooted several times during the storm, but
neither RB lost power even once.

 

Any guesses?  I'm sleeping on it over the weekend, but probably need to get
it figured out before too many more storms come over the mountains.

 

Thanks,

 

-Troy

 

 

 

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To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 

Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
violating code?

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jeromie Reeves 
We put in a enclosure and that let us say it was 'indoors' and drop
the gfci requirement.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Troy Settle  wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
> of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
> to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
>
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
> violating code?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle 
Thanks Matt!

Yeah, the outlet itself is on a post next to the tower foundation and a
dropcord feeds into a NEMA box mounted on the tower (no shack).  We have a
few sites set up like this, and I think I'm going to hardwire everything
before we get much further into lightning season.

Since posting, I spoke with an electrician who has done some other work for
us, and he also suggested yanking the GFCI.

I don't know why this was installed this way.  I'm thinking that the
electrician who did the original work was thinking more residential than
industrial.  I'll leave the GFCI outlet in place as a convenience outlet to
provide the extra protection when we're out there working.


-Troy

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Cc: Troy Settle
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
> 
> You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
> regulation before.
> 
> A few thoughts come to mind:
> 
> * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
> for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
> keeps you from having an outage.
> 
> * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
> your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
> have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
> 
> If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
> plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
> hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?
> 
> On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> > Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> > One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> > miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
> >
> > Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> > without violating code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ben West 
This is true.  The GFCI outlet happened to already be in the building when
I installed equipment.  It turns out the GFCI outlet itself could have
benefited from lightening isolation.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM, DJ Anderson  wrote:

> I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
> do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
> circuit if it senses a ground fault.
>
>
>
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2012-03-16 Thread DJ Anderson 
I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.

DJ Anderson
Shelby Broadband



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

> To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
> remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
> (e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a direct
> lightening strike.
>
> For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
> still lost a bunch of equipment.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ben West 
To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a direct
lightening strike.

For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Bret Clark 

On 03/16/2012 11:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

That's what breakers are for - shorts.
GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in
water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower
building.


I agree, there's  fuse panel, why the heck is a GFCI needed too at a 
tower site? Are you sure this is code? My guess is some inspector has 
completely misread the code and is applying house code to a tower site!
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2012-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson 
My point was if Code actually requires it, which in this case it may 
not,
don't replace it because it's an inconvenience.  You are potentially
liable if something were to happen if you are the one who went against
code. Instead find a workaround.  If code doesn't require it, get an
inspector to sign off.

Justin

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes 
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:27:40 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Cc: Justin Wilson 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

>That's what breakers are for - shorts.
>GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in
>water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower
>building.
>
>On 3/16/12 11:11 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>> But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact
>> you removed the GFCI. I would not want to bet my business on it. I would
>> have an outlet hardwired into a nema box. That should satisfy code, but
>> I would check.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" > <mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com>>
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:00:39 -0700
>> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>>
>> Yeah. Drop the GFCI.
>> If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him
>> he'll have to meet you at the site every time it goes down because
>> the GFCI technology is so worthless. It won't take but 2 trips and
>> he'll beg you to take them out!
>> And if you think it's bad now. Just wait till you have to put in arc
>> fault breakers everywhere. The whole house has to have them
>> nowadays. Can't even run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of
>> the rooms with an arc fault. Half my skill saws won't work etc.
>> Good ideas, both. Rotten overly sensitive implementation.
>> The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later. Every
>> homeowner with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in
>> normal breakers :-).
>> The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Troy Settle <mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net>
>> *To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>>
>> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our
>> towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to
>> put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have
>> been much worse).
>>
>> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from
>> happening without violating code?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>>
>> The Wired Road Authority
>>
>> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>>
>> Galax, VA 24333
>>
>> (276) 238-0049 (office)
>>
>> (276) 237-3890 (cell)
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Greg Ihnen 
Just replace it. It's probably failing. They're a pain when they start failing 
but when you get a good one they're fine.

Greg

On Mar 16, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Troy Settle wrote:

> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
> them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
> push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>  
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
> violating code?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> --
>   Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>   The Wired Road Authority
>   1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>   Galax, VA 24333
>   (276) 238-0049 (office)
>   (276) 237-3890 (cell)
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2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes 
That's what breakers are for - shorts.
GFCIs are for quick blows for things like dropping something in 
water.   I still don't understand why it would be required in a tower 
building.

On 3/16/12 11:11 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact
> you removed the GFCI. I would not want to bet my business on it. I would
> have an outlet hardwired into a nema box. That should satisfy code, but
> I would check.
>
> Justin
>
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)"  <mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com>>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:00:39 -0700
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>
> Yeah. Drop the GFCI.
> If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him
> he'll have to meet you at the site every time it goes down because
> the GFCI technology is so worthless. It won't take but 2 trips and
> he'll beg you to take them out!
> And if you think it's bad now. Just wait till you have to put in arc
> fault breakers everywhere. The whole house has to have them
> nowadays. Can't even run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of
> the rooms with an arc fault. Half my skill saws won't work etc.
> Good ideas, both. Rotten overly sensitive implementation.
> The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later. Every
> homeowner with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in
> normal breakers :-).
> The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Troy Settle <mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net>
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our
> towers. One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to
> put on some 80 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have
> been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from
> happening without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049 (office)
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Justin Wilson 
But what happens if something shorts and it's traced down to the fact you
removed the GFCI.  I would not want to bet my business on it.  I would have
an outlet hardwired into a nema box.  That should satisfy code, but I would
check.

Justin

From:  "Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)" 
Reply-To:  WISPA General List 
Date:  Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:00:39 -0700
To:  WISPA General List 
Subject:  Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

> Yeah.  Drop the GFCI.
>  
> If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to
> meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so
> worthless.  It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out!
>  
> And if you think it's bad now.  Just wait till you have to put in arc fault
> breakers everywhere.  The whole house has to have them nowadays.  Can't even
> run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of the rooms with an arc fault.
> Half my skill saws won't work etc.
>  
> Good ideas, both.  Rotten overly sensitive implementation.
>  
> The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later.  Every
> homeowner with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in normal
> breakers :-).
>  
> The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!
>  
> marlon
>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>>  
>> From:  Troy  Settle <mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net>
>>  
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>  
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
>>  
>> Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid  outages
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of  our towers.  One
>> of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on  some 80 miles just
>> to push a button (yes, it could have been much  worse).
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from  happening without
>> violating code?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> -- 
>>  
>>   Troy Settle, Network  Administrator
>>  
>>   The Wired Road Authority
>>  
>>   1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>>  
>>   Galax, VA 24333
>>  
>>   (276) 238-0049 (office)
>>  
>>   (276) 237-3890 (cell)
>>  
>>   tset...@thewiredroad.net
>>  
>>  
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
I like the digital loggers products a LOT better than dataprobe.

Never had a DL unit start turning it's self off when it's not supposed to.  I 
have had that with an iboot.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay DeBoer 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

  I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices.



  On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote: 
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?



i.e. 

strip   pstn > my computer



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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
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We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI 
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically 
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049 (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890 (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
Yeah.  Drop the GFCI.

If an inspector whines about it get his home phone and tell him he'll have to 
meet you at the site every time it goes down because the GFCI technology is so 
worthless.  It won't take but 2 trips and he'll beg you to take them out!

And if you think it's bad now.  Just wait till you have to put in arc fault 
breakers everywhere.  The whole house has to have them nowadays.  Can't even 
run a shop vac in my house if it's in one of the rooms with an arc fault.  Half 
my skill saws won't work etc.

Good ideas, both.  Rotten overly sensitive implementation.

The market for used arc faults will be huge sooner than later.  Every homeowner 
with a screw driver will pull them all out and put in normal breakers :-).

The NEC is getting to be worse than the dept. of ecology!

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Troy Settle 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:04 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages


  Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One of 
them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just to 
push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

   

  Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without 
violating code?

   

  Thanks,

   

  -- 

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The Wired Road Authority

1117 E. Stuart Dr.

Galax, VA 24333

(276) 238-0049 (office)

(276) 237-3890 (cell)

tset...@thewiredroad.net

   



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer 
Oh, yeah ... I see, so than you have to reset the circuit, which requires a
flip.

 

Victoria Proffer

 <http://www.stlwimax.com/> STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600

 

From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:24 AM
To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Cc: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

I don't think you understand.  A GFCI outlet is a "mechanical" device.  You
can't reboot it.


Regards,
Chuck



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer
 wrote:

Can you set it on an auto-ping?

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/> 

314-974-5600

 

From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip   pstn > my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/> 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049   (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890   (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Josh Luthman 
One of these

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=gfci+outlet&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16532274097447588363&sa=X&ei=Ik5jT6H-Nubk0QHnkZWZCA&ved=0CIoBEPICMAI

Where did you one that auto resets, Ryan?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> I don't think you understand.  A GFCI outlet is a "mechanical" device.  You
> can't reboot it.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer
>  wrote:
>>
>> Can you set it on an auto-ping?
>>
>>
>>
>> Victoria Proffer
>>
>> STLWiMAX, LLC
>>
>> 314-974-5600
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
>> To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>>
>>
>>
>> The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
>> breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it’s an auto reset
>> device.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?
>>
>>
>>
>> i.e.
>>
>> strip   pstn > my computer
>>
>>
>>
>> Victoria Proffer
>>
>> STLWiMAX, LLC
>>
>> 314-974-5600
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>>
>>
>>
>> We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
>> outlets for my
>> Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
>> after a few mins..
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
>> regulation before.
>>
>> A few thoughts come to mind:
>>
>> * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
>> for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
>> keeps you from having an outage.
>>
>> * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
>> your shack.    You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
>> have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
>>
>> If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
>> plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
>> hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
>> > Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
>> > One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
>> > miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>> >
>> > Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
>> > without violating code?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>> >
>> > The Wired Road Authority
>> >
>> > 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>> >
>> > Galax, VA 24333
>> >
>> > (276) 238-0049 (office)
>> >
>> > (276) 237-3890 (cell)
>> >
>> > tset...@thewiredroad.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Chuck Hogg 
I don't think you understand.  A GFCI outlet is a "mechanical" device.  You
can't reboot it.

Regards,
Chuck


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Victoria Proffer <
victo...@stlbroadband.com> wrote:

> Can you set it on an auto-ping?
>
> ** **
>
> Victoria Proffer
>
> STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/>
>
> 314-974-5600
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
> *To:* victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>
> ** **
>
> The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
> breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it’s an auto reset
> device.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Victoria Proffer
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>
> ** **
>
> Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?
>
> ** **
>
> i.e. 
>
> strip   pstn > my computer
>
> ** **
>
> Victoria Proffer
>
> STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/>****
>
> 314-974-5600
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages
>
> ** **
>
> We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
> outlets for my
> Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
> after a few mins..
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
> regulation before.
>
> A few thoughts come to mind:
>
> * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
> for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
> keeps you from having an outage.
>
> * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
> your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
> have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
>
> If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
> plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
> hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?
>
>
> On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> > Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> > One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> > miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
> >
> > Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> > without violating code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Troy Settle, Network Administrator
> >
> > The Wired Road Authority
> >
> > 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
> >
> > Galax, VA 24333
> >
> > (276) 238-0049 (office)
> >
> > (276) 237-3890 (cell)
> >
> > tset...@thewiredroad.net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer 
Can you set it on an auto-ping?

 

Victoria Proffer

 <http://www.stlwimax.com/> STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600

 

From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02 AM
To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip   pstn > my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/> 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049   (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890   (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Brian Webster 
The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip   pstn > my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/> 

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049   (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890   (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Jay DeBoer 

http://dataprobe.com/remote-reboot.html

I've used some of their older 'iboots' havent' used their phone devices.



On 3/16/2012 9:40, Victoria Proffer wrote:


Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

i.e.

strip   pstn > my computer

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC <http://www.stlwimax.com/>

314-974-5600

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Ryan Ghering

*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting 
GFCI outlets for my
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset 
automatically after a few mins..


Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:


You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049  (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890  (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net <mailto:tset...@thewiredroad.net>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Victoria Proffer 
Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip   pstn > my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

 <http://www.stlwimax.com/> STLWiMAX, LLC

314-974-5600

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049   (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890   (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Ghering 
We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
> regulation before.
>
> A few thoughts come to mind:
>
> * Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
> for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
> keeps you from having an outage.
>
> * Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
> your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
> have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.
>
> If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
> plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
> hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?
>
> On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> > Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> > One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> > miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
> >
> > Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> > without violating code?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Troy Settle, Network Administrator
> >
> > The Wired Road Authority
> >
> > 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
> >
> > Galax, VA 24333
> >
> > (276) 238-0049 (office)
> >
> > (276) 237-3890 (cell)
> >
> > tset...@thewiredroad.net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Matt Hoppes 
You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that 
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page 
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it 
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside 
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't 
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just 
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a 
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?

On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
> Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
> One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
> miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).
>
> Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
> without violating code?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Troy Settle, Network Administrator
>
> The Wired Road Authority
>
> 1117 E. Stuart Dr.
>
> Galax, VA 24333
>
> (276) 238-0049 (office)
>
> (276) 237-3890 (cell)
>
> tset...@thewiredroad.net
>
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[WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

2012-03-16 Thread Troy Settle 
Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.  One
of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80 miles just
to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 

Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening without
violating code?

 

Thanks,

 

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  The Wired Road Authority

  1117 E. Stuart Dr.

  Galax, VA 24333

  (276) 238-0049 (office)

  (276) 237-3890 (cell)

  tset...@thewiredroad.net

 

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