Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
We've been using the pacw wideband dual pole 2' and 3' solid dishes. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 01:13:26AM -0500, Scott Carullo wrote: What antenna of choice are you using for rockets jp? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I would suggest trying it on a small project or two first. I've not been satisfied with the normal nanostation gear for urban/suburban use. The rocketm's have been great for ptp backhaul so far, despite some manual tweeking to override their software's distance ack shortcoming. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 08:35:00AM -0600, Mike wrote: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
What antenna of choice are you using for rockets jp? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I would suggest trying it on a small project or two first. I've not been satisfied with the normal nanostation gear for urban/suburban use. The rocketm's have been great for ptp backhaul so far, despite some manual tweeking to override their software's distance ack shortcoming. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 08:35:00AM -0600, Mike wrote: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
I would suggest trying it on a small project or two first. I've not been satisfied with the normal nanostation gear for urban/suburban use. The rocketm's have been great for ptp backhaul so far, despite some manual tweeking to override their software's distance ack shortcoming. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 08:35:00AM -0600, Mike wrote: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/;http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless;http://lists.wispa.org/mail man/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/;http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/ wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/;http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless;http://lists.wispa.org/mail man/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
That's good - but just because it's supported at the chipset level doesn't necessarily mean the ubnt firmware or sdk supports it. In any case we were working with the original a/g nano's and bullets, not the M series. The M is way too new and bleeding edge for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
A hardware watchdog timer isn't something that's supported. To me that sounds like a software feature. A true hardware watchdog is a separate circuit that oversees the system. If it detects a problem it toggle the power controller chip to reset the whole board. Greg On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: That's good - but just because it's supported at the chipset level doesn't necessarily mean the ubnt firmware or sdk supports it. In any case we were working with the original a/g nano's and bullets, not the M series. The M is way too new and bleeding edge for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti
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I believe the routerboard watchdogs are hardware. The software resets the hardware timer. If it hits 0 the watchdog reboots. On 12/20/09, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer isn't something that's supported. To me that sounds like a software feature. A true hardware watchdog is a separate circuit that oversees the system. If it detects a problem it toggle the power controller chip to reset the whole board. Greg On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: That's good - but just because it's supported at the chipset level doesn't necessarily mean the ubnt firmware or sdk supports it. In any case we were working with the original a/g nano's and bullets, not the M series. The M is way too new and bleeding edge for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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Tom, Watchdog timers like you describe are useful, but they tend to be less valuable than they used to be because newer software tends to be multi-threaded instead of single threaded and also the interfaces are smarter and do more processing on their own. This means there are more paths that the software is taking that may not be part of the watchdog timer. It is nice to have a watchdog timer to catch some things, but I think not having one is less of a show stopper than it used to be. We use external power controllers that can ping devices and can power cycle them if they do not respond. So far, I like that better because more of the system is probably tested by an external ping than by an internal watchdog timer. At least that is the theory. :) Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 12:30 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able
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And that's so basic, it's really the most useful watchdog, IMO. Many times I've been able to get a ping response from a piece of equipment yet it's still not functioning. Thus, it still needs to have a visit even though it pings just fine. And as a wonderful coincidence, I had one just like that this morning. A bullet onto of a nice frozen silo. Fun. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem
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If it has it, it ain't a workin'! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:26 PM To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? A hardware watchdog timer isn't something that's supported. To me that sounds like a software feature. A true hardware watchdog is a separate circuit that oversees the system. If it detects a problem it toggle the power controller chip to reset the whole board. Greg On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: That's good - but just because it's supported at the chipset level doesn't necessarily mean the ubnt firmware or sdk supports it. In any case we were working with the original a/g nano's and bullets, not the M series. The M is way too new and bleeding edge for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version
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I think so too. I've never had a Routerboard hang on me and I've had plenty reboot themselves after I did something foolish or idiotic in a config. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I believe the routerboard watchdogs are hardware. The software resets the hardware timer. If it hits 0 the watchdog reboots. On 12/20/09, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer isn't something that's supported. To me that sounds like a software feature. A true hardware watchdog is a separate circuit that oversees the system. If it detects a problem it toggle the power controller chip to reset the whole board. Greg On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: That's good - but just because it's supported at the chipset level doesn't necessarily mean the ubnt firmware or sdk supports it. In any case we were working with the original a/g nano's and bullets, not the M series. The M is way too new and bleeding edge for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless
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But a device can still respond to a ping yet be locked up. If anything, it needs to just be a small part of the overall picture. Maybe if then hardware watchdog was based on a separate firmware and one could specify the parameters to trigger the hardware reboot, not dependant on the operating software of firmware in any way. Dunno, not an engineer, and I don't even play one on TV. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Watchdog timers like you describe are useful, but they tend to be less valuable than they used to be because newer software tends to be multi-threaded instead of single threaded and also the interfaces are smarter and do more processing on their own. This means there are more paths that the software is taking that may not be part of the watchdog timer. It is nice to have a watchdog timer to catch some things, but I think not having one is less of a show stopper than it used to be. We use external power controllers that can ping devices and can power cycle them if they do not respond. So far, I like that better because more of the system is probably tested by an external ping than by an internal watchdog timer. At least that is the theory. :) Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 12:30 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all
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At the risk of boring people - we use both. We have a fairly sophisticated software watchdog routine that checks all threads and the integrity of the various network devices like eth, ath, tun, tap, ppp, etc. etc, every few minutes. If it sees anything wrong it takes corrective action, which can include a number of steps short of a system reboot. It also logs any errors plus corrective actions in a local log file for later analysis, and uploads the entire system status file to our back-end servers every 15 minutes. That same software routine pings the hardware watchdog every minute. That way, if the entire system hangs, the hardware timer reboots the board, but if only one or more of the threads or I/O devices hangs, the software watchdog takes care of it. After several years of tweaking, this approach has been working very well for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Watchdog timers like you describe are useful, but they tend to be less valuable than they used to be because newer software tends to be multi-threaded instead of single threaded and also the interfaces are smarter and do more processing on their own. This means there are more paths that the software is taking that may not be part of the watchdog timer. It is nice to have a watchdog timer to catch some things, but I think not having one is less of a show stopper than it used to be. We use external power controllers that can ping devices and can power cycle them if they do not respond. So far, I like that better because more of the system is probably tested by an external ping than by an internal watchdog timer. At least that is the theory. :) Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 12:30 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle
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Tom, Sounds like a great approach. Mark On 12/20/09 7:30 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: At the risk of boring people - we use both. We have a fairly sophisticated software watchdog routine that checks all threads and the integrity of the various network devices like eth, ath, tun, tap, ppp, etc. etc, every few minutes. If it sees anything wrong it takes corrective action, which can include a number of steps short of a system reboot. It also logs any errors plus corrective actions in a local log file for later analysis, and uploads the entire system status file to our back-end servers every 15 minutes. That same software routine pings the hardware watchdog every minute. That way, if the entire system hangs, the hardware timer reboots the board, but if only one or more of the threads or I/O devices hangs, the software watchdog takes care of it. After several years of tweaking, this approach has been working very well for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Watchdog timers like you describe are useful, but they tend to be less valuable than they used to be because newer software tends to be multi-threaded instead of single threaded and also the interfaces are smarter and do more processing on their own. This means there are more paths that the software is taking that may not be part of the watchdog timer. It is nice to have a watchdog timer to catch some things, but I think not having one is less of a show stopper than it used to be. We use external power controllers that can ping devices and can power cycle them if they do not respond. So far, I like that better because more of the system is probably tested by an external ping than by an internal watchdog timer. At least that is the theory. :) Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 12:30 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another
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Have to disagree with that - at least in any embedded device I've ever worked on (and I've worked on a great many), the hw watchdog was incapable of independent detection of anything. All it did was wait for a tickle from the firmware which, if absent for greater than x amount of time, would result in the hw timer reaching the endpoint and resetting or rebooting the board. This is certainly the way the wrap and alix boards work. Not to say that there aren't some out there that work the way you suggest, but I don't think that's the norm. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? A hardware watchdog timer isn't something that's supported. To me that sounds like a software feature. A true hardware watchdog is a separate circuit that oversees the system. If it detects a problem it toggle the power controller chip to reset the whole board. Greg On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: That's good - but just because it's supported at the chipset level doesn't necessarily mean the ubnt firmware or sdk supports it. In any case we were working with the original a/g nano's and bullets, not the M series. The M is way too new and bleeding edge for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Try again, Ubiquity AR71xx based stuff (all the M series) supports a hardware watchdog fine. from dmesg via OpenWRT. Atheros AR71xx hardware watchdog driver version 0.1.0 Regards Michael Baird A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business
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Not boring at all, Tom. Informative. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? At the risk of boring people - we use both. We have a fairly sophisticated software watchdog routine that checks all threads and the integrity of the various network devices like eth, ath, tun, tap, ppp, etc. etc, every few minutes. If it sees anything wrong it takes corrective action, which can include a number of steps short of a system reboot. It also logs any errors plus corrective actions in a local log file for later analysis, and uploads the entire system status file to our back-end servers every 15 minutes. That same software routine pings the hardware watchdog every minute. That way, if the entire system hangs, the hardware timer reboots the board, but if only one or more of the threads or I/O devices hangs, the software watchdog takes care of it. After several years of tweaking, this approach has been working very well for us. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Watchdog timers like you describe are useful, but they tend to be less valuable than they used to be because newer software tends to be multi-threaded instead of single threaded and also the interfaces are smarter and do more processing on their own. This means there are more paths that the software is taking that may not be part of the watchdog timer. It is nice to have a watchdog timer to catch some things, but I think not having one is less of a show stopper than it used to be. We use external power controllers that can ping devices and can power cycle them if they do not respond. So far, I like that better because more of the system is probably tested by an external ping than by an internal watchdog timer. At least that is the theory. :) Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 12:30 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A hardware watchdog timer, typically, watches only one thing - is the software and/or CPU still alive? If a software pinger fails to reset a hardware counter or timer every few seconds or so, the timer reaches the end of its count and resets the motherboard. It is a failsafe if everything else goes wrong - something that happens more often than one would like when you're using developmental drivers. Software watchdogs are a poor substitute for obvious reasons - if the software or CPU is completely hung, the software watchdog won't work either! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mark Stephenson m...@countryconnections.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Tom, Do you happen to know what a hardware watchdog timer watches? Perhaps there is something it can watch like whether or not the device is sending on the Ethernet port or the program counter. But, it seems that as embedded systems add more software, a useful hardware watchdog timer becomes less possible because there are more things that can go wrong and it is difficult/expensive to make the hardware capable of checking those things. Thanks, Mark On 12/20/09 2:01 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using
[WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We have used the old nano stations for customer owned ptp links, so far so good. But we have not use them for our own network Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Mike, The Bullets with the loose lan connectors was supposed to be a problem in the first few production runs of the new ones so that problem hopefully is gone. UBNT is taking care of the ones with the bad solder jobs but it's still a pain in the butt to ship and wait for the returns. I'd feel safe now with the Bullets. The wrong firmware, boy, that's a new one! But the plus is that it's just a name on the main page, the hardware is essentially the same so it should work no different. As far as connectors on the antennas, I think it's just our old way of thinking. Everything we have used in the past, connector and cable wise, has been heavy duty, made for our big and clumsy hands. Over tightening and yanking on wires for make sure they're secure is standard procedure but the SMA connectors are very small and the antenna leads are stiff and thin. I found it all to just be a small learning curve and once I did it a few times I overcame my old thinking. :) The new nano's for instance, a much better access door design but at first I was just as aggravated with it as the ones on the NS2's until I did it a few times now it's a snap to open and close. I'd say just jump in and order what you can find. The firmware is pretty stable now, my links are solid and for the money it's less painful when putting in a new AP. I used a mix of Mikrotik and new Ubiquiti for some new AP's and CPE's and they all played well together perfectly. I'm now slowly pulling out the MT where I can and replacing with UBNT when I can get it and moving the MT to areas where I have mostly MT. As far as their haste to bring these things to market. Well... that's the fault of a lot of us out here yelling for them to ship now! I'll accept the hic-ups as a trade for having it installed out in the field. I gotta deal with bad Microsoft operating systems day in and day out, I can add dealing with these little issues too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 19:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Absolutely true. They are trained in the art of the Magic Reboot. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 19:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Same here. For me, I am going to go slowly with a small project. Actually, I just did a small project with UBNT and it went well. So, the next project will be a bit bigger and so on. -RickG On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Speaking of firmware, has anyone tried DD-WRT on a UBNT? -RickG On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Mike, The Bullets with the loose lan connectors was supposed to be a problem in the first few production runs of the new ones so that problem hopefully is gone. UBNT is taking care of the ones with the bad solder jobs but it's still a pain in the butt to ship and wait for the returns. I'd feel safe now with the Bullets. The wrong firmware, boy, that's a new one! But the plus is that it's just a name on the main page, the hardware is essentially the same so it should work no different. As far as connectors on the antennas, I think it's just our old way of thinking. Everything we have used in the past, connector and cable wise, has been heavy duty, made for our big and clumsy hands. Over tightening and yanking on wires for make sure they're secure is standard procedure but the SMA connectors are very small and the antenna leads are stiff and thin. I found it all to just be a small learning curve and once I did it a few times I overcame my old thinking. :) The new nano's for instance, a much better access door design but at first I was just as aggravated with it as the ones on the NS2's until I did it a few times now it's a snap to open and close. I'd say just jump in and order what you can find. The firmware is pretty stable now, my links are solid and for the money it's less painful when putting in a new AP. I used a mix of Mikrotik and new Ubiquiti for some new AP's and CPE's and they all played well together perfectly. I'm now slowly pulling out the MT where I can and replacing with UBNT when I can get it and moving the MT to areas where I have mostly MT. As far as their haste to bring these things to market. Well... that's the fault of a lot of us out here yelling for them to ship now! I'll accept the hic-ups as a trade for having it installed out in the field. I gotta deal with bad Microsoft operating systems day in and day out, I can add dealing with these little issues too. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts. My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something. It might just be the dry air. Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the other mainstream CPE? Seems to be a common thread here. I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I? Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2? mg At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 19:38:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
As in bigger than a Pico? :) Or is that a Bullico? Hmm... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Same here. For me, I am going to go slowly with a small project. Actually, I just did a small project with UBNT and it went well. So, the next project will be a bit bigger and so on. -RickG On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
We use the pcengines Alix board and usually Wistron or Ubiquiti miniPCI radios. Generally that has been an extremely stable and reliable combination. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts. My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something. It might just be the dry air. Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the other mainstream CPE? Seems to be a common thread here. I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I? Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2? mg At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 19:38:00
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
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Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me.
You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no
clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use
to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key
items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any
other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog
timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that
fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT
device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a
locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU
to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router.
Jaimie
On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent:
My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical
robustness -
little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a
hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp.
when
you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work
to port
our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf
that
project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down.
In the
CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment
and
unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the
ISP
business is a little different because the customer can always
reboot the
CPE!
Tom S.
- Original Message -
From: Robert West
To: ; 'WISPA General List'
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I
expected
things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The
trade off
is
worth it, for me anyhow.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org [4]]
On
Behalf Of jai...@budget.net [5]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment.
Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s
with
the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles
with
CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our
test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed
at
how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror
stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem.
Probably
just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so
good.
On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com [6] sent:
I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment
for
a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start
reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on
properly, and the wrong boot code on boards.
Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the
haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised
quality
control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be
interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis.
Thanks mg
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
lol! I'd say you know what I meant but then that would defeat the purpose :) On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: As in bigger than a Pico? :) Or is that a Bullico? Hmm... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Same here. For me, I am going to go slowly with a small project. Actually, I just did a small project with UBNT and it went well. So, the next project will be a bit bigger and so on. -RickG On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
To be fair, the only issues I've had is with NIB units. Once the unit is installed and working, they've been very stable. -RickG On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Thanks Bob, Rick and Tom for your thoughts. My hands itch when I'm uncertain about something. It might just be the dry air. Are the Ubiquity radios more apt to require reboots than some of the other mainstream CPE? Seems to be a common thread here. I am most interested in the rocket stuff, aren't I? Tom what sort of radio and board are in the MeshCam2? mg At 02:24 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] mailto:wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 19:38:00
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?
A software watchdog timer is not the same thing as a hardware watchdog timer. And SNMP has nothing to do with either. Tom S. - Original Message - From: jai...@budget.net To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? Please don't take me wrong on this but your statement (b) bothers me. You are either running a very old version of Air OS or you have no clue what your talking about. UBNT has support for SNMP which I use to monitor not only uptime but signal strength and a few other key items check out ZenOss if you need to watch these devices or any other network device for that matter. AirOS also has a Watchdog timer in the software that will automatically reboot a device that fails a ping time you set. I have never had to power cycle a UBNT device. In fact I had to reboot a Mikrotik router because it had a locked process in the packet sniffer application that drove the CPU to 100% so the UBNT gear has a higher uptime than the core router. Jaimie On Sat 12/19/09 12:24 PM , Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com sent: My biggest concern with these units is (a) lack of mechanical robustness - little plastic bits leak or break off quite easily and (b) lack of a hardware watchdog timer which personally I think is essential esp. when you're using development stage firmware. We did most of the work to port our Qcode to run on the ubnt platform, but have decided to shelf that project for another year, waiting for things to really settle down. In the CCTV business, there's no-one around to power-cycle the equipment and unrecoverable device hangs are really a disaster. I realize that the ISP business is a little different because the customer can always reboot the CPE! Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: jai...@budget.net; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? I'm with ya on all that, Jamie. We've had minor issues but I expected things to not be perfect, they never are with version 1.0! The trade off is worth it, for me anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jai...@budget.net Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time? We use all UBNT and I have been very happy with the equipment. Tower has 2 Rocket M5s With 120 sectors, backhaul is Rocket M5s with the Rocket Dish. CPEs are Nano M5. Durring testing at 4 Miles with CPE to AP I was able to sustain symmetrical speeds of 75M to our test server on the other end of the backhaul. I was really amazed at how well they preformed for the price. I have read all the horror stories in the UBNT forums but have yet to have one problem. Probably just cursed myself and should of kept my mouth shut. But so far so good. On Sat 12/19/09 6:35 AM , Mike m...@aweiowa.com sent: I was almost ready to pull the trigger on some Ubiquiti equipment for a new project. The scent of low price is alluring. Then I start reading about connectors pulling out, connectors not soldered on properly, and the wrong boot code on boards. Is it too early? Should I wait a bit before I dive in? Has the haste to get product into the distribution stream compromised quality control? Is the low price just too good to be true? I'd be interested in some constructive thoughts and analysis. Thanks mg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/;http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org [2] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless;http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/;http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Links: -- [1] http://signup.wispa.org/;http://signup.wispa.org/ [2] wireless@wispa.org [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless;http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [4] http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/;http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/;http://signup.wispa.org
