Saw this in "Network World" and thought of the recent WalMart RFID thread on
this list. Enjoy.
Rich
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Wal-Mart and the Three Great RFID Lies
by Yankee Ingenuity, Howard Anderson
The Three Great Lies used to be: My wife doesn't understand
, 2007 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
Before spending $2000 on a HPOL omni, and $1 on legal fees, try $400
on a Cavity Filter. Worked well for me in a similar situation on my
Waverider system.
Pete Davis
NoDial.net
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hello List We have an interference problem
Before spending $2000 on a HPOL omni, and $1 on legal fees, try $400
on a Cavity Filter. Worked well for me in a similar situation on my
Waverider system.
Pete Davis
NoDial.net
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hello List
We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resol
It's nice to see them do the right thing. Too bad it had to happen that
way.
laters,
marlon
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From: "Ray & Jean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Walmart RFI
Here is a link to the specific page at Broadband Reports:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/82238?brk=2
You can bet there was a good reason that made it to the front page there
too. ;-)
Ryan Morgan wrote:
Dylan,
Wal-mart found out about the post on www.dslreports.com on their own.
It was
, March 15, 2007 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update
For those that have walmarts in their area, I would suggest starting
talking to them ahead of time, you may be able it prevent the same
problem from happening on your towers. I would bet all walmarts will
Is it only a concern for 900 Mhz?
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:01 AM
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For those
te
> the power of the internet or press.
> Thanks
> Ray Hill
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:02 AM
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Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in Walmart. Did you
happen
Dylan,
Wal-mart found out about the post on www.dslreports.com on their own. It
was a news topic on the main page that pointed to the forum thread.
There was really nothing negative mentioned in the topic( well one thing
, but more of a last resort kind of fix ), rather trying to get some
inf
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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:33 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update
Hello Everyone
Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid problem.We spent hours on monday
trying to talk to someone on their rfid deployment team,we fin
That's great Ray
Can you post the contact info here in case someone else runs into this
issue??
Thanks and good luck with them
Bob
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hello Everyone
Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid problem.We spent hours on monday
trying to talk to someone on their rfid deployment
That rocks! Great work!
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:33 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update
Hello Everyone
Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid proble
Ray,
Congratulations on the sudden positive change in WalMarts behavior.
Please keep us updated. If any wireless issues or questions come up
during discussions with their engineer please post those questions or
issues.
Thanks,
jack
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hello Everyone
Wanted to update
Also report back what actually was done as I also have a walmart and a
900 system.
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
http://www.airnet.ca
Office Phone: 905 349-2084
Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm
skype cajeptha
Dylan Oliver wrote:
Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in
Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in Walmart. Did you
happen to mention to them that you were posting complaints about their
system in the Broadband Reports Forums, or did they discover this
themselves? They must (or should) have a search appliance dedicated to
sniffing out the f
Wow, so the bad PR worked, eh?
When you meet their guy, let him know "we just want to get along ;)" -
get his name & number, invite him to dinner and make friends. It's
always good to get a guy on the inside!
On 3/14/07, Ray & Jean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Everyone
Wanted to update you o
Hello Everyone
Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid problem.We spent hours on monday
trying to talk to someone on their rfid deployment team,we finally made
contact.We were informed that it used the whole spectrum,had to run at full
power and used circular polarity.They stated they were oper
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart
That would be a losing battle, as we have RFID deployed all over the ship
yards, the railroad and soon airport cargo facilities. The large enterprise
lobby will no doubt chime in.
-Dee
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So is rfid going all 900 or is there other frequencies as well?
I'm not up to speed on rfid
W.D.McKinney wrote:
That would be a losing battle, as we have RFID deployed all over the
ship yards, the railroad and soon airport cargo facilities. The large
enterprise lobby will no doubt chime in.
-De
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From: Marlon K. Schafer
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Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:07:49 -0800
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Re: [WISPA] Walmart
> Just another reason we have to fight hard to prevent personal portable
> devices.
>
> May
, March 11, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Walmart
yeah? Wait'll 700 mhz is unlicensed. Talk about the perfect rfid
spectrum.
fUn
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:22 PM
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9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart
But in reality, it's not any different than another WISP putting up a
900mhz tower... rfid falls under the same power regulations as everyone
else.
We have LOTS of 900mhz stuff in the air and it doesn't seem to have any
more n
eorge Rogato
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart
When we were in DC a couple years ago they told us that rfid was going
900 so beware. You've just re - emphasized that fact.
S0 now we know, 900 is even worse for us to use than we previousl
neral List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid
think this'll be true @ my local wal mart too ? I'm about 1000 feet from
one.
Just do a 900 mhz survey in their parking lot ?
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Sent: Sunday, Ma
But in reality, it's not any different than another WISP putting up a
900mhz tower... rfid falls under the same power regulations as everyone
else.
We have LOTS of 900mhz stuff in the air and it doesn't seem to have any
more noise issues than our 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz gear.
Travis
Microserv
Geor
st'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid
Which quote from the FCC regs?
The one that says "You must accept any interference" or the one that says
"you may not cause any interference to a licensed service"
If you can show them a license, you might have them on the second one.
U
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
In the end, they'll get theirs. What goes around comes around.
Someone will finally have had enough of their arrogant attitudes and
things will change. I know they are building stores all over the
place, and they are always packed. But someone somehow will find a
yeah? Wait'll 700 mhz is unlicensed. Talk about the perfect rfid spectrum.
fUn
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart
When we were in
Yes, all the comments have been interesting but BEWARE...
Keep in mind that switching to horizontal polarization might not work if
the Walmart system is already using horizontal polarization.
I'd suggest getting a spectrum analyzer and "taking a picture" of the
Walmart system using both horiz
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From: "Ray & Jean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Walmart
Hey All
We really appreciate you taking the time to offer your ideas on how to
resolve our problem.We have decide
When we were in DC a couple years ago they told us that rfid was going
900 so beware. You've just re - emphasized that fact.
S0 now we know, 900 is even worse for us to use than we previously realized.
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hey All
We really appreciate you taking the time to offer your ideas on h
Hey All
We really appreciate you taking the time to offer your ideas on how to
resolve our problem.We have decided that switching to Hpol and sectors will
be our fastest and cheapest way to resolve the issue which in the long run
is probally a good idea to avoid future problems.We may try some of t
Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
> Come on Marlon... even if all 100 customers went in and complained, the
> manager at Walmart is going to say "You'll have to call corporate...
> there is nothing I can do". Sending letters, going in person, e
Sunday, March 11, 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
> Come on Marlon... even if all 100 customers went in and complained, the
> manager at Walmart is going to say "You'll have to call corporate...
> there is nothing I can do". Sending letters, going in person, e
try. I try very hard not to make decisions
that take away anyone else's ability to be helpful.
marlon
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it
may not be
e
> to talk to your customers, just at a slower speed. Have you pulled
> out a spectrum analyzer and looked at what's really going on yet?
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ray & Jean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA Ge
you want to be squeaky clean.
Where is the store in relation to your affected tower site?
Ralph
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:43 PM
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How far i
system isn't fhss as you should still be able
to talk to your customers, just at a slower speed. Have you pulled
out a spectrum analyzer and looked at what's really going on yet?
laters,
marlon
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To
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Travis
Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that could
be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol omni about
$2200 a climb
tell your customers to go to wal-mart and complain J
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:12:13 -0400, Rick Smith wrote
> no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands. They MUST be exceeding EIRP,
> tho, because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like
> that, and not having good reads with normal, or even less than
> normal power. Problem is, rfid is
Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;)
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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS i
gt; How far away is this from you ?
> > > >
> > > > I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their
> > > > end,
> > > > "leaking".
> > > >
> > > > Certified letter or bb gun, your choice...
Lots of C4 ? Could be a solution... Right Rich Harnish ? :)
JohnnyO
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:40 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] walmart rfid
Hello List
We have an interfer
ob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it
may not be possible to turn down the powe
;)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it
may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple.
A certified letter from an attor
roper way to resolve the problem but it might
encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe.
Thanks
Ray Hill
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To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it
may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple.
A certified letter from an
How far is this from your site? Are they exceding 36db ERP?
If they are exceding ERP and you can prove it by taking spectrum
analyser out there have your lawyer send a certified letter to ADT and
Walmart manager with this info and quotes from FCC rules and
regulations.
If there not exceding any
WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
Hi,
You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going
from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.
Travis
Microserv
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hello List We have an interfere
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Hi,
You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going
from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.
Travis
Microserv
Ray & Jea
Hi,
You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going
from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.
Travis
Microserv
Ray & Jean wrote:
Hello List
We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has
Hello List
We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to
resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem
is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which
instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverid
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