Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-29 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/29/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Wild Blue , good example. Wild Blue is a fringe broadband player.Cable and DSL set the rules. They are the majority of the market.The majority of the market does not charge by the bit, but the fringe does. Guess thats proof enough.No, it's not pro

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread George Rogato
Wild Blue , good example. Wild Blue is a fringe broadband player. Cable and DSL set the rules. They are the majority of the market. The majority of the market does not charge by the bit, but the fringe does. Guess thats proof enough. George Dylan Oliver wrote: On 6/27/06, *George Rogato* <[EMAI

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/27/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I understand the reasoning behind "why" a lot of operators want to dothis or think it's a good thing. But, in my market, cable and DSLdoesn't charge this way. And I'll have to admit that I like to do video across the net watching news etc.Unfortu

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
I just took a look at my graphs for 500 customers, mostly residential, and I'm running between 3 and 5 meg 8am to midnight. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Butch Evans wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote: 5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month long.

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
2006 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington This very thing is why I implemented a 5Gig rule up/down aggregate for the month written in my TOS with a $10.00 per Gig over the limit charge.  There is no way possible to keep someone from sharing (although that too

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
People just want it to work.  Internet Access without support is a doomed model before the start, and will never be a win for anyone.  As far as ISP's Internet bandwidth being stolen   Thats why you do abndwdith management by Weighted Priority Method.  Let them use the pipe as long as it

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
for their broadband connection. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John J. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread George Rogato
That is: (5GB/30)/5 = 33meg/hour = or about 10k/sec average. multiply that by the 1000 users, and you only use about 10M during the peak time. Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread JohnnyO
006 10:03 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington Travis,     I did not check your math as I am full of Enchiladas and Negra Modelo Cerveza.    I am pretty confident in your addition and multiplication though and even if it “

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, Travis Johnson wrote: 5GB per month is about a 28.8 dial-up connection running all month long. That equates to about 24kbps per user. 1,000 users * 24kbps = 24,000kbps / 1024 = 23Mbps (or about 1/2 of a T3) for 1,000 users. 2,000 users would be about 45Mbps. Does my mat

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Mac Dearman
Mbs>   Mac     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington   Hi, Just for fun, I wanted to see how much usage that would be... so, here i

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Travis Johnson
:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of Service... Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Mac Dearman
- - although it is shamefully little ;+) when I do look.   Mac   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington   Mac, So if every user on your

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread JohnnyO
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeff BroadwickSent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Carl A Jeptha
PA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington   Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of Service...   Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Travis Johnson
$5.00 routers? I’ll bet I can resell them for $80.00   Mac       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington  

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Mac Dearman
: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington   Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of Service...   Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106     From: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread John J. Thomas
This should be reason enough for a close look at TOS and pricing mechanisms. If your clients have to pay more for usage, then they will think twice before buying into this. Fry's Electronics usually has a $20 wireless router on sale so this is not the only possible threat. The $20 wireless rout

RE: [WISPA] Fw: Wireless In Washington

2006-06-27 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Yeah, I saw that...everyone should take a good look at their Terms of Service...   Jeff BroadwickImageStream800-813-5123 x106   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:09 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAI