Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
News flash for you: > This is where we are today. RBOCs and MSOs control the last mile. Neither has to share. WISPs, BPL, and Muni projects will be the 3rd pipe. (I don't count cellular because that is RBOC). Pete Davis wrote: Think that's not bad for the entrepreneurs? Try starting a water company that competes with the city's water system. Or a power company. Or a 1st class mail delivery service. I don't think I can get $12/hr union workers to hand-deliver mail to houses for $0.39/letter and make a profit. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
Quote from another email: "Lately? Nope not yet. It took them some time before they got in the Ma Bell's faces too. I (and others) are trying to stop it before it happens, not try and live with it when it does. There is NO sector where the government has steeped in that things really got better in the long run. Look at telcom, we are back to 3 super players and a handful of once large ones trying to hang on. " Pete Davis said the same thing but with much better words. I was saying I had tried to say it but not as well. Jeromie Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Please explain what your talking about with the Moto. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15 knows. Jeromie Pete Davis wrote: The faster it becomes a "fundamental human right" the faster we migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup, postal workers, and whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 250 phone companies that all became AT&T in the first part of the 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say. Pete Davis NoDial.net chris cooper wrote: Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the service costs. I wish they were though. Chris "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
The novelty of it all (being a WISP) tends to wear off after about 5 years, eventually it becomes about the money. It should always be about the money. You have to think about your business as a separate being. You do whatever you need to make that critter grow and be healthy. Your first goal is to stay in business. Your second goal should be returning shareholder value, even if you are the only shareholder. You've taken risk, either with your own or someone else's money. The investor should receive a return on that investment well above market rates to reflect the level of risk. As Tom has said here before, we are in the sales business. Wireless is the service we are selling. Don't get too caught up in the me vs. the big guys argument. Don't fall in love with the technology. Make your business healthy, show strong ROI and when the time is right, make the right move. Sooner or later the bigger operators will come along just because their model holds up better than an independent operator. They can achieve great economies of scale, have wider reach and deeper pockets to invest in people, marketing and technology. Why bang your head against the wall trying to figure out how to beat them when it is much more productive spending that time making yourself so invaluable that they have to take you out to get what you have. If you examine the trends in various communications technologies over the last 30 years- paging, cellular, dial-up IP- they have all followed consolidation models. The small operator got in first, got a license where needed, hammered out a territory and started adding customers. Eventually, someone wanted those customers and that territory. For the operators that understood the timing and opportunity equation there was money on the table. Eventually the big operators buy enough territory and market share. Then they can settle down to the business of getting more $$ out of this larger customer base. When this happens the deal making can cool off pretty quickly. If you are still in the game at this point your valuation can decline rapidly. Always leave the dance while you are still having fun. chris I think what you are going to find is that the big WISP isn't going to be able to come to town and bully everybody. Instead, they are going to have to fork over the cash or not be competitive and secure themselves. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
Tom DeReggi wrote: The only exception to this is the FREE Net / Muni Net. Big ventures need big companies and big pockets. MOst likely that problem will take care of itself. First, consumers hate marketing and SPAM. Do you think they are going to embrase the solution that guarantees they are going to get spammed and chewed their productivity and bandwdith up with advertising crap? The false promise designs, are going to piss off the consumers. I think it jsut won;lt succeed enough to be a threat. The best part is the new 5.4Ghz spectrum allocated. It will allow a HUGE larger amount of options to co-exist with Muni nets and other ISPs. I agree strongly with your post, with the possible long-term coexistence with muni-nets. I see a problem fundamentally with municipally and federally funded/managed broadband projects with virtually unlimited budgets and manpower. It reduces broadband to a utility that EVERYONE "needs" and the government has to give you as an entitlement. Think that's not bad for the entrepreneurs? Try starting a water company that competes with the city's water system. Or a power company. Or a 1st class mail delivery service. I don't think I can get $12/hr union workers to hand-deliver mail to houses for $0.39/letter and make a profit. Once those services are established as "we gotta have it" type services, and the government starts to provide it (even though they charge for them) there is NO room for competition in most of those areas. The prices for postage, electricity, and water delivery are all pretty much set by the providers. If most cities delivered broadband the way they do water, electricity and mail, the prices would be too low for any of us to compete on any real scale, and the WISP startup wouldn't exist, since the government's pockets are too deep, and they have NEVER needed to make a profit. Those of us who started these things started because of a NEED. If someone took away that need before we got here, I wouldn't have started here, and wouldn't be operating a WISP today. Are my days as an individual small wisp numbered? Yes. I am sure. The government and/or a monopolistic telco will eventually fill the gap that I am bridging right now. Hopefully AFTER I have the chance to fund a retirement, college for the kids, and maybe pay for a house to die in. Cashing out selling the business is a nice idea, and hopefully some greedy SOB will buy my business for enough money to make me go away, but thats been my exit strategy from day one, I think. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
It is Grand Standing, but the Federal Gov't has said they we have a Broadband policy - and we have all met that beast. Affordable broadband is an economic necessity for communities. (Lots of studies published in Broadband Properties mag to back that up). When you are competing for every dollar, every job, globally, people in the US are at a disadvantage. Again, it is more about BB Penetration than deployment. And BB Penetration has 2 keys: a price point for people to get it and a compelling REASON. http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/bb-penetration-not-deployment.html Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
It is Grand Standing, but the Federal Gov't has said they we have a Broadband policy - and we have all met that beast. Affordable broadband is an economic necessity for communities. (Lots of studies published in Broadband Properties mag to back that up). When you are competing for every dollar, every job, globally, people in the US are at a disadvantage. Again, it is more about BB Penetration than deployment. And BB Penetration has 2 keys: a price point for people to get it and a compelling REASON. http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/bb-penetration-not-deployment.html NYC is talking about adding a 3rd pipe. An alternative. Without real competition, you do not get innovation nor price reductions. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
Jeromie Reeves wrote: I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thin(k) part-15 knows. Jeromie Want the answer? Innovate. Re-Invent. Be Remarkable. OTOH, selling just connectivity will be utilitarian in a very short time. Don't like change? You will like irrelevance even less. Regards, Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
I disagree with that. Consolidation is likely, but not because of hostile takeover, but because WISPs will likely want to cash out to reduce risk or realize they can make more money with the help of others and not all by themselves. The novelty of it all (being a WISP) tends to wear off after about 5 years, eventually it becomes about the money. What people forget is that unlicensed isn't like every other ISP business that can be controled by volume and brute force. The small WISPs have as much punch and disruptive force as the big WISP, because a radio generates the same amount of noise and coverage, regardless of who owns it, the big or little WISP. In WISP land the one with the strategic advantage is the first entry, that has the best assets procured and preferred customers. Once that is had, the big boys need to buy you, or not get in the game. Its almost like having 7000 little terrorists (small WISPs) running all over the place, exept they are nice people. The big WISP knows that your Noise from your radio to serve your two customer, will kill him and prevent him from selling to his thousand. I think what you are going to find is that the big WISP isn't going to be able to come to town and bully everybody. Instead, they are going to have to fork over the cash or not be competitive and secure themselves. The only exception to this is the FREE Net / Muni Net. Big ventures need big companies and big pockets. MOst likely that problem will take care of itself. First, consumers hate marketing and SPAM. Do you think they are going to embrase the solution that guarantees they are going to get spammed and chewed their productivity and bandwdith up with advertising crap? The false promise designs, are going to piss off the consumers. I think it jsut won;lt succeed enough to be a threat. The best part is the new 5.4Ghz spectrum allocated. It will allow a HUGE larger amount of options to co-exist with Muni nets and other ISPs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right Please explain what your talking about with the Moto. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15 knows. Jeromie Pete Davis wrote: The faster it becomes a "fundamental human right" the faster we migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup, postal workers, and whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 250 phone companies that all became AT&T in the first part of the 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say. Pete Davis NoDial.net chris cooper wrote: Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the service costs. I wish they were though. Chris "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
Please explain what your talking about with the Moto. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15 knows. Jeromie Pete Davis wrote: > The faster it becomes a "fundamental human right" the faster we > migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as > water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup, postal workers, and > whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the > worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a > required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then > there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with > prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will > take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the > 250 phone companies that all became AT&T in the first part of the > 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. > Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say. > > Pete Davis > NoDial.net > > chris cooper wrote: > >> Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? >> That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are >> homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The >> list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not >> being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the >> service costs. I wish they were though. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >>> "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de >>> >> >> Blasio, >> >>> a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/272 - Release Date: 3/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15 knows. Jeromie Pete Davis wrote: The faster it becomes a "fundamental human right" the faster we migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup, postal workers, and whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 250 phone companies that all became AT&T in the first part of the 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say. Pete Davis NoDial.net chris cooper wrote: Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the service costs. I wish they were though. Chris "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
The faster it becomes a "fundamental human right" the faster we migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup, postal workers, and whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 250 phone companies that all became AT&T in the first part of the 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say. Pete Davis NoDial.net chris cooper wrote: Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the service costs. I wish they were though. Chris "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Give it to me! I can move faster and more efficient then any phone company. I think we all can! Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right I did not read the arcticle yet but... Yes it is infact a right for someone to get it. But its not necessarilly an obligation for someone specific to provide it. The problem is that the majority of the people screaming for it, are the ones not willing to pay for it. There is not a shortage of providers willing to deploy services, there are a shortage of people willing to pay what it costs to provide it to those areas that have a higher cost to provide it in. There are 7000 ISPs around the country ready to take that grant money. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right > "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, > a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. > > http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/nyc-moves-closer-to-broadband-plan.html > > -- > > > Regards, > > Peter > RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist > We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate > 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a "fundamental human right"? That's just grandstanding. Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA. The list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not being met. Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the service costs. I wish they were though. Chris > "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, > a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right
I did not read the arcticle yet but... Yes it is infact a right for someone to get it. But its not necessarilly an obligation for someone specific to provide it. The problem is that the majority of the people screaming for it, are the ones not willing to pay for it. There is not a shortage of providers willing to deploy services, there are a shortage of people willing to pay what it costs to provide it to those areas that have a higher cost to provide it in. There are 7000 ISPs around the country ready to take that grant money. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/nyc-moves-closer-to-broadband-plan.html -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Why is that GOOD news ? Or "Getting it Right" ? This, to me, is BAD news - the city will pump $$$ into Verizon to wire everyone up, spending MORE tax $$$ on monopolistic power... Peter R. wrote: "Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right," Bill de Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday. http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/nyc-moves-closer-to-broadband-plan.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
