RE: Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Stephen, I'm curious as to yours and others' experience because in working with healthcare (specifically hospitals with VoWiFI nurse paging systems) in every state we've worked, the safety regulations for elevators have specifically precluded/prohibited installation of such devices within the shaft or attached to the car. -jj ___ Jennifer Minella, CISSP, HP MASE VP of Engineering & Security Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc. www.cadinc.com j...@cadinc.com 919.460.1313 Main Office 919.539.2726 Mobile/text -Original Message- From: Stephen Belcher Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 08:58 Subject: Re: Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car We use Fluidmesh to create a wireless bridge between a base unit at the top of the shaft and a mobile unit on top of the car. This setup is used for security cameras with no issue. We have tested Wi-Fi and it also works although we don't have any in production at the moment. It's fairly inexpensive to install so you can run a pilot without a ton of spend. Steve -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
We use Fluidmesh to create a wireless bridge between a base unit at the top of the shaft and a mobile unit on top of the car. This setup is used for security cameras with no issue. We have tested Wi-Fi and it also works although we don't have any in production at the moment. It's fairly inexpensive to install so you can run a pilot without a ton of spend. Steve -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Hi, I have read it somewhere that leaky cables might work, but didn't test it. Yahya Jaber. Sr. Wireless Engineer IT Network & Communications - Engineering Building 14, Level 3, Rm 308-WS07 KAUST 23955-6900 Thuwal, KSA Email yahya.ja...@kaust.edu.sa Office +966 (0) 12 8081237 Mobile +966 (0) 558697555 On Call Rotation Mobile: +966 54 470 1177 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 21:26 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
We used a similar coax to Ethernet converter for the IP camera in our elevators and they work very well. Our building is 6 stories and we don't target our elevators for WiFi, but we do have a WAP in the lobby of each floor and the bleed through seems to cover the elevators fairly well. One thing I would do is make sure to scale back the power of the WAPs, you wouldn't want a bunch of clients near the elevators associating with the elevator WAP that only has a 10 or 100 Mbps connection back to the switch. Thanks, Jason R. Benedick IT Generalist Thaddeus Stevens College of Technology Office: (717) 391-6957 Cell: (717) 587-9065 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:01 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car This email originated from outside of Thaddeus Stevens College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hmmm... Good to know. The bldg I am working on is about 5 floors if I remember right. Probably too long for ethernet. I'm thinking about this solution recommended by Luke Jenkins: http://www.veracityglobal.com/products/ethernet-over-coax-devices/highwire.aspx It says: "Because coaxial cable will coil and bend properly, unlike Cat 5 cable, HIGHWIRE provides an ideal means to provide network access to elevator carriages, for VoIP, security, lift panel and other devices." From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of John Turner Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:55 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car I have designed and deployed in car WiFi for a few folks - one we had a Cat 5 cable that was part of the traveler cable (so certified from a movement perspective) and the other we had a pair that I used a DSL converter on to get a few MB of traffic for the AP. These were all 10+ story buildings. The AP channel was fixed and discrete from the ones used on each floor - each car in the bank used the same channel and power setup - rarely did the cars stay on the same floor except in the late evening - Signal was basically blocked in the shaft anyway other than when the doors opened. Results were pretty good for the times and good enough to keep a VoIP call going in optimal situations (excluding client generated issues) We looked at P2P from the top of the shaft, but then I visited the top of one of the shafts and realized the dust and grease and access issues made it a non-starter. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:00 PM Michael Cole mailto:mc...@clarku.edu>> wrote: You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator shaft with a directional antenna. https://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Wireless-Access/Coverage-in-elevator-shaft/td-p/196269 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cmcole%40CLARKU.EDU%7C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3%7Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80%7C1%7C1%7C637085762352749423&sdata=Rkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya%2FE8%2BB7aL3c%3D&reserved=0 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community -- John Turner - Head of Customer Success jtur...@nyansa.com<mailto:jtu
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
You can get stranded Ethernet cable that will handle more movement. 5 floors isn’t nearly at the limit of Cat5 so that isn’t a concern. Another option is to do an AP at the top of the shaft with a static mesh in the car. No wires. Nice and easy. GT On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:55 PM John Turner wrote: > I have designed and deployed in car WiFi for a few folks - one we had a > Cat 5 cable that was part of the traveler cable (so certified from a > movement perspective) and the other we had a pair that I used a DSL > converter on to get a few MB of traffic for the AP. > > These were all 10+ story buildings. > > The AP channel was fixed and discrete from the ones used on each floor - > each car in the bank used the same channel and power setup - rarely did the > cars stay on the same floor except in the late evening - Signal was > basically blocked in the shaft anyway other than when the doors opened. > > Results were pretty good for the times and good enough to keep a VoIP call > going in optimal situations (excluding client generated issues) > > We looked at P2P from the top of the shaft, but then I visited the top of > one of the shafts and realized the dust and grease and access issues made > it a non-starter. > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:00 PM Michael Cole wrote: > >> You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for >> elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the >> wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant >> bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different >> options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator >> shaft with a directional antenna. >> >> >> https://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Wireless-Access/Coverage-in-elevator-shaft/td-p/196269 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < >> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen >> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM >> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car >> >> Hello, >> >> Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car >> itself? Willing to share your experience? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Curtis K. Larsen >> Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer >> University of Utah Network Services >> CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP >> Office 801-587-1313 >> >> >> ** >> Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire >> community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the >> message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. >> Additional participation and subscription information can be found at >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cmcole%40CLARKU.EDU%7C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3%7Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80%7C1%7C1%7C637085762352749423&sdata=Rkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya%2FE8%2BB7aL3c%3D&reserved=0 >> >> ** >> Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire >> community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the >> message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. >> Additional participation and subscription information can be found at >> https://www.educause.edu/community >> > > > -- > *John Turner* - *Head of Customer Success* > *jtur...@nyansa.com * > (339) 225-0198 > Join the Voyers Slack Community! <https://voyers-slack.nyansa.com/> > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Hmmm... Good to know. The bldg I am working on is about 5 floors if I remember right. Probably too long for ethernet. I'm thinking about this solution recommended by Luke Jenkins: http://www.veracityglobal.com/products/ethernet-over-coax-devices/highwire.aspx It says: "Because coaxial cable will coil and bend properly, unlike Cat 5 cable, HIGHWIRE provides an ideal means to provide network access to elevator carriages, for VoIP, security, lift panel and other devices." From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of John Turner Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:55 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car I have designed and deployed in car WiFi for a few folks - one we had a Cat 5 cable that was part of the traveler cable (so certified from a movement perspective) and the other we had a pair that I used a DSL converter on to get a few MB of traffic for the AP. These were all 10+ story buildings. The AP channel was fixed and discrete from the ones used on each floor - each car in the bank used the same channel and power setup - rarely did the cars stay on the same floor except in the late evening - Signal was basically blocked in the shaft anyway other than when the doors opened. Results were pretty good for the times and good enough to keep a VoIP call going in optimal situations (excluding client generated issues) We looked at P2P from the top of the shaft, but then I visited the top of one of the shafts and realized the dust and grease and access issues made it a non-starter. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:00 PM Michael Cole mailto:mc...@clarku.edu>> wrote: You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator shaft with a directional antenna. https://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Wireless-Access/Coverage-in-elevator-shaft/td-p/196269 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cmcole%40CLARKU.EDU%7C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3%7Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80%7C1%7C1%7C637085762352749423&sdata=Rkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya%2FE8%2BB7aL3c%3D&reserved=0 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community -- John Turner - Head of Customer Success jtur...@nyansa.com<mailto:jtur...@nyansa.com> (339) 225-0198 Join the Voyers Slack Community!<https://voyers-slack.nyansa.com/> [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1-LU1cRoYaaGK1sJz0s6vxSeY91ProTS2&revid=0Bx8ReCzAhqUpWEpGZjIzRGJmcWdpYzFVYnR3dEJDLytCeFVBPQ] ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
I have designed and deployed in car WiFi for a few folks - one we had a Cat 5 cable that was part of the traveler cable (so certified from a movement perspective) and the other we had a pair that I used a DSL converter on to get a few MB of traffic for the AP. These were all 10+ story buildings. The AP channel was fixed and discrete from the ones used on each floor - each car in the bank used the same channel and power setup - rarely did the cars stay on the same floor except in the late evening - Signal was basically blocked in the shaft anyway other than when the doors opened. Results were pretty good for the times and good enough to keep a VoIP call going in optimal situations (excluding client generated issues) We looked at P2P from the top of the shaft, but then I visited the top of one of the shafts and realized the dust and grease and access issues made it a non-starter. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:00 PM Michael Cole wrote: > You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for > elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the > wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant > bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different > options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator > shaft with a directional antenna. > > > https://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Wireless-Access/Coverage-in-elevator-shaft/td-p/196269 > > -Original Message- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car > > Hello, > > Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car > itself? Willing to share your experience? > > Thanks, > > -- > Curtis K. Larsen > Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer > University of Utah Network Services > CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP > Office 801-587-1313 > > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cmcole%40CLARKU.EDU%7C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3%7Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80%7C1%7C1%7C637085762352749423&sdata=Rkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya%2FE8%2BB7aL3c%3D&reserved=0 > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > -- *John Turner* - *Head of Customer Success* *jtur...@nyansa.com * (339) 225-0198 Join the Voyers Slack Community! <https://voyers-slack.nyansa.com/> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Outside the shaft and it has worked reasonably well. It depends on what your design goals are. If you are looking for absolutely no drops then you might need a AP in the car, but that probably messes with AP in the floors around the shaft as the car travels. We wanted reasonably good coverage without trying to get local Fire Marshall approval of shaft installation. As more and more Wi-Fi installations start to look at dynamic channel/power levels for SDR, then physically traveling AP would seem to be nightmare but maybe it just me. :) Todd Smith CAMC Health Systems,Inc -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 14:26 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hi Todd. Are your APs inside or outside the shaft? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Smith, Todd Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Our design here involved an AP every other floor at the elevator door and that has worked very well. Our design is a 3 AP coverage design at -63 dBm for first AP coverage and we have had pretty good luck with elevator coverage. Todd Smith CAMC Health Systems,Inc == CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Hi Todd. Are your APs inside or outside the shaft? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Smith, Todd Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 2:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Our design here involved an AP every other floor at the elevator door and that has worked very well. Our design is a 3 AP coverage design at -63 dBm for first AP coverage and we have had pretty good luck with elevator coverage. Todd Smith CAMC Health Systems,Inc -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 14:01 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator shaft with a directional antenna. https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__community.arubanetworks.com_t5_Wireless-2DAccess_Coverage-2Din-2Delevator-2Dshaft_td-2Dp_196269%26d%3DDwIFAg%26c%3D2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M%26r%3DuvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc%26m%3DRkmKM6Ub3GbVISRZOetz5TUOkshSn-C_nuJBe-AGRwU%26s%3DcpVqCqaSVPziQOnu1QpGnkUKoFuK0dpo6UdtKY9_mz4%26e&data=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7C6031ce3511b745641e6d08d7622353f6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637085776197166232&sdata=h%2FmqTM1mWgeiSCfDluN4wWcKeYpgPQb9WYPmoPhsyTY%3D&reserved=0= -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.educause.edu-252Fcommunity-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cmcole-2540CLARKU.EDU-257C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3-257Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80-257C1-257C1-257C637085762352749423-26amp-3Bsdata-3DRkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya-252FE8-252BB7aL3c-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0%26d%3DDwIFAg%26c%3D2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M%26r%3DuvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc%26m%3DRkmKM6Ub3GbVISRZOetz5TUOkshSn-C_nuJBe-AGRwU%26s%3DyzdaUAAuWBMP2bBFpHP2WebrUCU_4QtBCLMR0mkPF18%26e&data=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7C6031ce3511b745641e6d08d7622353f6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637085776197166232&sdata=vlzR5soygc%2BRC7AMbcIBK5mkGF5CKSEu8R2T%2FPnndyQ%3D&reserved=0= ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__www.educause.edu_community%26d%3DDwIFAg%26c%3D2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M%26r%3DuvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc%26m%3DRkmKM6Ub3GbVISRZOetz5TUOkshSn-C_nuJBe-AGRwU%26s%3DbT98FzlDZUZNUs3UFd1eMav9wF-lfDWIT7NGLrszk_8%26e&data=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7C6031ce3511b745641e6d08d7622353f6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637085776197166232&sdata=HJitkcIBm1DdPPwo0UtVChZ%2BY%2BWkxadZFZgo%2Fgd2xmU%3D&reserved=0= __ EXTERNAL EMAIL NOTICE: This email did not originate at CAMC, exercise CAUTION in clicking LINKS or opening ATTACHMENTS. If you are not familiar with the SENDER, then consider deleting this message. If there is any doubt of this email’s legitimacy, use the Manage Unwanted toolbar in Outlook to report it as a suspicious email. Original Sender: owner-wireless-...@lists
RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Our design here involved an AP every other floor at the elevator door and that has worked very well. Our design is a 3 AP coverage design at -63 dBm for first AP coverage and we have had pretty good luck with elevator coverage. Todd Smith CAMC Health Systems,Inc -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Cole Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 14:01 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator shaft with a directional antenna. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.arubanetworks.com_t5_Wireless-2DAccess_Coverage-2Din-2Delevator-2Dshaft_td-2Dp_196269&d=DwIFAg&c=2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M&r=uvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc&m=RkmKM6Ub3GbVISRZOetz5TUOkshSn-C_nuJBe-AGRwU&s=cpVqCqaSVPziQOnu1QpGnkUKoFuK0dpo6UdtKY9_mz4&e= -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.educause.edu-252Fcommunity-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cmcole-2540CLARKU.EDU-257C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3-257Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80-257C1-257C1-257C637085762352749423-26amp-3Bsdata-3DRkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya-252FE8-252BB7aL3c-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIFAg&c=2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M&r=uvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc&m=RkmKM6Ub3GbVISRZOetz5TUOkshSn-C_nuJBe-AGRwU&s=yzdaUAAuWBMP2bBFpHP2WebrUCU_4QtBCLMR0mkPF18&e= ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.educause.edu_community&d=DwIFAg&c=2GaipCMI-4CXTl0y2l8grQS3faC7QKiDQZYpyUtD00M&r=uvxIRDMxwssmr2VjVNRe6I_MeNT0SmtowN9dpqcMAFc&m=RkmKM6Ub3GbVISRZOetz5TUOkshSn-C_nuJBe-AGRwU&s=bT98FzlDZUZNUs3UFd1eMav9wF-lfDWIT7NGLrszk_8&e= __ EXTERNAL EMAIL NOTICE: This email did not originate at CAMC, exercise CAUTION in clicking LINKS or opening ATTACHMENTS. If you are not familiar with the SENDER, then consider deleting this message. If there is any doubt of this email’s legitimacy, use the Manage Unwanted toolbar in Outlook to report it as a suspicious email. Original Sender: owner-wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu Originating Country Name: United States == CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
You'd think this would be pretty straight forward, but with the codes for elevators and life safety you might not be able to get a cable in the wiring bundle for the car. Or if you can, will the cable take the constant bending and unbending... the Aruba airheads talked about 2 different options, an access point in the car, and one on the top of the elevator shaft with a directional antenna. https://community.arubanetworks.com/t5/Wireless-Access/Coverage-in-elevator-shaft/td-p/196269 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cmcole%40CLARKU.EDU%7C655653d2a1444e2abf1008d762201be3%7Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80%7C1%7C1%7C637085762352749423&sdata=Rkd01wdYlSIVgZxijMF52kCJn2IIYV8ya%2FE8%2BB7aL3c%3D&reserved=0 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
I don't have any experience with it, but cat-6 traveling cables are available so it's possible to put an AP in the car. I wouldn't anticipate anything but the usual Wi-Fi problems if you put the AP in the car. -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Curtis K. Larsen Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:26 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Ccae104%40PSU.EDU%7Ca06607d7f25a40a4d34808d762201bed%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C1%7C637085762367187214&sdata=7kadPi1X2naPIRv%2FeUUzc8UXU3%2F5AmzDwcf8i5dn91M%3D&reserved=0 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Wi-Fi in the Elevator Car
Hello, Has anyone designed Wi-Fi specifically to work in the elevator car itself? Willing to share your experience? Thanks, -- Curtis K. Larsen Senior Wi-Fi Network Engineer University of Utah Network Services CWNA, CWDP, CWSP, CWAP Office 801-587-1313 ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
