Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

2007-05-16 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Mac and I will be at the airport between 2pm and 3pm on Tuesday. Anyone who needs a ride, drop me an email and I'll see if we can squeeze you in. There was a rumor that there may be a Geek Jam at a local bar sometime on Wednesday night, after the WISPA reception. Will find out more

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal - Original Message - From: John Thomas

[WISPA] Next gen of wi-fi is planned for summer

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070516/ap_on_hi_te/wi_fi_alliance_2;_ylt=AjCZXQffVxPE_rY5h5gTVTQE1vAI The next generation of wireless Internet products certified by the Wi-Fi Alliance is expected to hit shelves this summer, even though a final standard for the technology isn't due for another

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread John Scrivner
I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
will do, no problems here... Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it,

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread JohnnyO
Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess

Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
I get in just after noon so I'll be poolside sippin' mimosa's by then ;) Did a little checking around and Pointe Orlando has a cantina and margarita bar which appears to have live music every night except tuesday, which is poker night. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Larsen -

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
Sam, Poolside, where? (What hotel are you at? Matt, where are you?) AT Pointe Orlando that sounds like Adobe's, which I was recently told is not that nice. Maybe Hooters at that same address or I'll find a couple of alternatives. - Peter Sam Tetherow wrote: I get in just after noon so

RE: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

2007-05-16 Thread Dylan Bouterse
Howl at the Moon (Piano Bar) is right down there. Good times. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON Sam, Poolside, where? (What

Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
I'm at the Best Western just up the street (I think Google put it .8 miles from the Rosen, still stumblin' distance). No clue if it has a pool, I'm a nerd and a business owner, I'll probably be in my room with the curtains closed staring at an LCD trying to figure out what is causing

Re: [WISPA] Wispa@ ISPCON

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
Got to love google :) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=howl+at+the+moon+orlando,+flie=UTF8z=11om=1 Sounds like a cool place and looks to be only about 10 blocks away. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dylan Bouterse wrote: Howl at the Moon (Piano Bar) is right down there. Good times.

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move

[WISPA] MTU BPL

2007-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I have been against BPL due to RF pollution. That said, a technical evolution could resolve some of those issues. I recently saw an article about Moto's MTU BPL solutions and was wondering if anyone here has worked with them. Does anyone else have a internal BPL system (meaning not what the

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Brandon Brownlee
You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cornett Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
their 2 concerns I noted are their margins and their liability of customer data being passed onto the buyer and puting a companies data at risk and be sued.. They fear being sued because of the data that this box captures, they made the box, so they are liable for it. Kind of like a gun

RE: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless

2007-05-16 Thread michael mulcay
John, This is probably the only opportunity the small guys (WISPs) will have to compete on an even playing field with the big guys for spectrum that supports WiMax products. The first step is a favorable ruling from the FCC and then the filing of a standard application for a Part 101 license.

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread JohnnyO
Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda owners here.

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Cisco? *ducking and running away in a serpentine fashion* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Zack Kneisley
http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda

Re: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device

2007-05-16 Thread Bo Hamilton
Mac what are you doing on this list? Did you get lost? (laughing spilling coffee on the keyboard) Bo On 5/15/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're interested in

Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

2007-05-16 Thread Zack Kneisley
If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was supporting speeds of 15 Mbps Mind this is a distributor that sells the gear telling these stories, so take it with a grain of salt. On 5/16/07, Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no

Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

2007-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
oh, yeah, I fat fingered that 15 into a 25. That's why I came here, to see if anyone knows anything. They have the same story on the Moto web site. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please contact them if you haven't yet. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] MTU BPL

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
Telkonet has an in-house BPL (isn't this like HPNA?) solution. Now there is paint that can keep the RF from leaking outside the walls. Zack Kneisley wrote: If it was the article in Tessco Wireless Journal, it was 8-12 specs and one test showed that the network in the apartment building was

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato
David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email

[WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :)

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Ryan Langseth
I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
Would ThinkFree work? http://online.thinkfree.com/ Or Talk Write http://www.talkandwrite.com/english/index.php Or Active Collab: http://www.activecollab.com/ OpenOffice.org? HyperOffice or Kimbra if anyone is using it. BTW, these are great tools that you can offer your clients for

RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread David Peterson
Try google docs and spreadsheets. Free and easy... David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing OK, what is

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
OK, what is that? Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant grin I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the trick for us. And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Ryan Langseth
Subversion is a Revision Control System, used by Code monkeys (software developers) to store code. Its pretty good at fixing conflicts in text documents. I did some googling, it does not work as as well for word documents conflicts since they are binary data. Conflicts happen when the

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
I meant, Zimbra - Comcast is using it. (See here: http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/05/open-source-or-free-web-apps.html) Dylan Bouterse wrote: Kimbra? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:27 PM

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that you have to find someone that

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
George Rogato wrote: David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Peter R.
David E. Smith wrote: Sounds like a job for Microsoft SharePoint. The downside there is that you have to find someone that knows how it works. :( A regular revision control package like CVS or SubVersion won't work well for this, as it's proprietary binary data. MS SharePoint, though, would

RE: [WISPA] MTU BPL

2007-05-16 Thread Don Renner
The Motorola Solution I have used is 10-14Mbps total. Works like a hub in capacity. Have later technology should be out real soon now ;) (new chip set) that will take to 35-50Mbps. Don Renner NetsurfUSA, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Clint Ricker
Just out of curiousity, what privacy requirements are you trying to meet that aren't met by Google Docs? Thanks, Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 5/16/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Can't use anything public like that. We're working on sensitive data and the parties involved don't want anyone from outside the involved companies to have access to it. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Can't use that either. HAS to be inhouse. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Law enforcement stuff. Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
http://www.docushare.com/ Also have a 30-day free trial. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing Law

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
straight from Barracuda - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller,

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Ross Cornett
I have it on a 3 year amort so I would have to have at least $500 for it I can still shoot it and keep it on my shelf as an asset...If I sell it I loose the depreciation from the books...LOL - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Can't use that either. HAS to be inhouse. Okay, I don't quite follow what you're looking for, then. SharePoint is a fancy Web server widget, that you'd run on one of your own machines (that's already running IIS 6). Kinda like the FrontPage extensions,

Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Sam Tetherow
What part of the CALEA stuff requires an NDA? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Law enforcement stuff. Google hasn't signed the needed NDA so we can't host the docs there. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Muto
As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto

RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Rick Harnish
I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for others.

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato
Frank, you are right on Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no other vendor or wireless member has come close to. You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you fully

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread George Rogato
You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee. George Rick Harnish wrote: I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread W.D.McKinney
Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller

RE: [WISPA] Board Applications Available for Review

2007-05-16 Thread Rick Harnish
Peter, The WISPA Board Election is scheduled for June 15, 2007. Unfortunately, I will not be attending ISPCON this year as my daughter is graduating that Friday night. I will however be attending the Digital Cities Convention in Chicago Tuesday and Wednesday. I hate to miss ISPCON, but it just

Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

2007-05-16 Thread Frank Muto
That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then

[WISPA] routers

2007-05-16 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Does anyone have a source for generic 802.11b firewall/routers that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock. Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] routers

2007-05-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: Does anyone have a source for generic 802.11b firewall/routers that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock. Depends on what you mean by cheap and by firewall. For a router with real firewall capability you can go with Mikrotik RB133C

Re: [WISPA] routers

2007-05-16 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 16 May 2007, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: Does anyone have a source for generic 802.11b firewall/routers that are cheap? The last two places have run out of stock. Depends on what you mean by cheap and by firewall. For a router with real firewall

[WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run

2007-05-16 Thread John Scrivner
We need to have Ron run a new Ethernet run at Waltonville. Is there a big enough opening in the outdoor case there to terminate the Cat 5 before we send it up with Ron? Can Ron terminate Cat 5? We need to know these things before we send him up the tower obviously. This needs to be the first

Re: [WISPA] Waltonville Ethernet Run

2007-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
John Scrivner wrote: We need to have Ron run a new Ethernet run at Waltonville. Is there a big enough opening in the outdoor case there to terminate the Cat 5 before we send it up with Ron? Can Ron terminate Cat 5? We need to know these things before we send him up the tower obviously. This