Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-24 Thread John Scrivner
Chuck, I have heard that BPON is on its way out. You are using GPON? How long have you had it in place? Is this done with passive optical splits 1 by 32? Is it Wave Division Splits? If so how many splits per node? Still 20km distance by design? I thought there were problems with GPON not working in

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
We use GPON. BPON died (as a spec) very soon after it was implemented. As did APON and EPON. It is not wave division, it is very similar to CATV in that you can split it down the equivalent of 16 dB and you have a brick wall distance limitation of 12 miles on any leg. It does use two differen

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0388456.htm OR http://tinyurl.com/66rnd5 The nation's largest online marketplace for licensed broadband wireless spectrum went live today, enabling businesses, government agencies and communications service providers to quickly and easily

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Companies in the past went bankrupt trying to use this band. How far is it useful for PtP links? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, Apr

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread Jack Unger
Thanks for the link; here are some quick thoughts... 1. Buying (or leasing) licensed spectrum sounds good... if the spectrum and equipment costs are affordable. 2. Wouldn't it be nice to have "quick and easy", affordable access to spectrum that could be used for point-to-multipoint in a rural

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread George
This 28-31 GHz spectrum will probably only be useful for short-range > work where there are absolutely no obstructions end-to-end (like in big > city centers, etc.) > > jack What is the distance limitations and cost for PtP gear to do 28-31 GHz? --

[WISPA] Message from Ben Moore

2008-04-24 Thread Rick Harnish
I am forwarding this email to the list for Ben Moore. Hello All, Hope it is OK to post this here... I wanted to thank all in the WISP community for the opportunity that I have had to work with you while at Pacific Wireless. After 8+ years I have accepted a position at another company.

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread Stephen Patrick
Very interesting topic - In the UK similar bands (28, 32, 40) just got allocated on a regional/national basis, and some of the prices paid were very modest. Google OFCOM and have a look if interested. One of the national spectrum winners informally offered us access to their spectrum on a "per link

Re: [WISPA] Message from Ben Moore

2008-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Now who do I call to get anything out of PW? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:01 PM Subject:

[WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Zachery Wolfinger
Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. Who do you all suggest for: Unlicensed 60+ Mbps up to 25 mile links 5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter links) same vendor shoul

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Randy Cosby
Can you tell us what you've been using in the past? Zachery Wolfinger wrote: > Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the last 6 > years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors. > Who do you all suggest for: > > Unlicensed > 60+ Mbps > up to 25 mile li

Re: [WISPA] Message from Ben Moore

2008-04-24 Thread Cameron Kilton
No kidding, they are a crapshoot now. -Cam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:40 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Message from Ben Moore Now who do I call to

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Zachery Wolfinger
Not yet. The vendor claims to be working on resolving the issues that are causing us to look elsewhere. I'll give them some time before disclosing the identity of the guilty party :-p Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:01 PM, R

[WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode

2008-04-24 Thread John Valenti
One of the Chicago Tribune bloggers discusses an outage at his house in this posting: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/eric2_0/2008/04/real-life- imita.html He includes a clip from South Park that I gather is recent (we're an OTA family, so I'm several seasons behind). I think

Re: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode

2008-04-24 Thread Mark Nash
I watch South Park religiously... That said...if you watch the full episode... fair warning...part of this episode is extremely crude Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Jo

Re: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode

2008-04-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
Southpark Crude!!! NEVER!! ahahahhaa.. Mark Nash wrote: > I watch South Park religiously... > > That said...if you watch the full episode... > > fair warning...part of this episode is extremely crude > > Mark Nash > UnwiredWest > 78 Centennial Loop > Suite E > Eugene, OR 97401 > 541-998-

[WISPA] Hutton...

2008-04-24 Thread D. Ryan Spott
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[WISPA] 802.1x solutions for multiple egress points for muni meshes

2008-04-24 Thread Rogelio
I am researching some 802.1x solutions that will work with several emerging mesh solutions. For each of these solutions, I would like to have multiple SSIDs, and according to the SSID that someone hits, vector them off to a particular 802.1x solution that then let's them egress off their own parti

[WISPA] Qwest introduces 20 megabit DSL

2008-04-24 Thread George
charging $51.99 per month. The prices are $5 lower when combined with local phone service. The plans will be available in 23 of Qwest's top markets, the company said. By the end of the year, they will be available to 2 million customers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080424/ap_on_hi_te/qwes

[WISPA] Thank you from Ben Moore

2008-04-24 Thread John Scrivner
Ben Moore asked that I forward this along to all of us at WISPA. Happy Trails Ben. All the best, John Scrivner -- Forwarded message -- From: Ben Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:51 AM Subject: Thank you from Ben Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I wan

Re: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode

2008-04-24 Thread Mark Nash
Well, let's just say, a little more crude than usual... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" S

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown
If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here (ptmp assumed) please let me know. - Original Message - From: "Zachery Wolfinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions > Our company has used a single

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Jason Hensley
Ligowave is real close. 2.4, 5.8 in the same box. 900MHz solution. 70MBps PtP, but not sure distance on that. 5.3 and 5.4 are coming very soon from what I hear but don't know that for sure. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McC

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Gino Villarini
I wouldn't count on any 802.11a hitting 70 mbps in a 20 mhz channel maybe on a 40 mhz channel if you do some atheros tricks, if you have the cpu power and if you have enough fade margin Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Harold Bledsoe
The 70Mbps is a 40Mhz channel. We get around 40Mbps on a 20MHz channel. The PTP product is not an 11a mac as that has been rewritten by us to improve performance, especially over distance and to allow for better 2-way traffic handling, among other things. 70Mbps over distance (and higher) is poss

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Jason Hensley
40Mhz channel I do know. A couple of other things they've done as well that I can't remember. In my very high noise environment though it probably won't happen. Following the 3650 gear very closely right now trying to see who's going to be my best bet. I want it primarily for a good backhaul

[WISPA] LigoWave proprietary PtP (was Re: Radio Vendor Suggestions)

2008-04-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Our office is in the same city as Deliberant, so we have been able to test their new proprietary PtP radios quite extensively. We don't test for raw throughput; we focus on consistent payload with low latency, low jitter and the ability to handle a lot of PPS. While I don't claim to no the

[WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
Any ideas on an inexpensive but effective battery solution for remote tower location... would like to keep equipment powered 6-8 hours w/o electric. Equipment includes 1 mikrotik, 1 trango Link45 and 1 trango M900AP Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., c

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Scott Reed
MeanWell AD-155B (24VDC) or AD155C(48VDC) and some batteries from Interstate Battery. I use the batteries that would go in a APC 1400, not sure of the rating right now. With a AD-155B I run 3 RB333s 2 radios per board. 1 XR5, 1 XR2. 1 XR5, 1 XR2. 1XR5, 1 SR9. Ran for 14 hours before going

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am starting to put everything on a 24v setup of the APC 7/13ah batteries with a Battery Tender (batterytender.com) The battery tender acts like a constant power source and charge controller all in one. This works really well as I can set up a site for around $175 and get 6-24 hours runtime depend

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Zachery Wolfinger
Actually, for the non-900MHz units, we are talking PTP, not PTMP. Using these for backhaul mostly. Thank you, Zak Wolfinger IT Director - Cyberlink 888-293-3693 Ext 4357 On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Zachery Wolfinger
Yes, we are expecting a 40MHz channel to do the bandwidth we are looking for. Our current solution is configurable for 20MHz or 40MHz channel. The reason we are looking is that the 40MHz channel isn't working right and they keep pushing back the fix date. We're just about done waiting on

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Why not use an actual APC UPS and extra batteries? That way you can monitor the power, have an estimate of run-time when the power goes out, and get email alerts. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I am starting to put everything on a 24v setup of the APC 7/13ah batteries > with a Batter

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Mike Hammett
That sounds great. What part numbers do you use? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A goo

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Wallace L. Walcher
If you need the 60+ Mbps and going 25 miles on the same link, I don't know of anyone that meets all the requirements. If the above two requirements are separate, I believe StarOS meets them all, although their 5.4Ghz DFS is still a little flaky, in my opinion. You can do 900Mhz with the Ubiquiti

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
This was my first thought how do you add the extra batteries though, I read that it is not good to daisy chain the ups units together. And the cost of batteries that support external batteries aren't cheap. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions (800) 638-2614 http://www.cnetworksolution

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Wallace L. Walcher
We purchase used APC UPS's on Ebay for around $50. Search for Item 160231636080 to see an example. We remove the batteries that come with it (if there are any). We create a couple of cables to go from the UPS battery inputs to the external battery pack that we assemble. For the external battery

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We do the same, but we use AGM batteries. We found the Walmart (or any deep cycle battery) requires too much maintenance. The water levels usually needed re-filled every 3-4 months. We found 110aH (real aH, not the over-rated numbers on the deep cycle batteries) AGM on ebay for $100 each.

Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

2008-04-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Oh, OK. For backhaul we use orthogon in unlicensed and Trango and Dragonwave (and Harris) for licensed and achieve these speeds and ranges. - Original Message - From: "Zachery Wolfinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WI

Re: [WISPA] Message from Ben Moore

2008-04-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, very good question! - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Message from Ben Moore > Now who do I call to get anything out of PW? > > > -- >

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Mark Nash
This is what I do, but I will add that we get the APC SmartUPS models that can take an SNMP card. The SU700 or SU1000. We put an AP9617 in it (has more features than the AP9605). This emails you to notify you of a power event. Then you have your *howevermany* hours to deal with the outage.

Re: [WISPA] A good battery solution

2008-04-24 Thread Steve
We use decent marine deep cycle batteries with an Iota charger. A large part of battery life is the quality of the charger. Just using DC for all the power needs, so don't need the extra load of inverting/transforming to get back to dc. The way to go if you are able to. The RB333 has built in v