[WISPA] update Macintosh traffic issues?

2009-10-01 Thread Steve Barnes
Update Then problem was FireFox. As soon as it loaded it immediately was loading some add-ons that killed the traffic on the IP. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can t

[WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Jason Hensley
In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better - B or G? Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode or is it OK to do a mix? Max I want off of 2.4 customers is 3meg so not that worried about the extra speed that G will provide, but, I would like to know which is more st

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread jp
If you aren't sectorized, you should do that first. Neither normal b or g or b/g are ideal in high noise. I don't mix. I like a little better g-mode on 10mhz channels using radio cards that support listening on 5/10 mhz channels like the xr2. (Many listen on 20mhz) You're more than twice as li

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Mike
The Atheros Deliberant cards will do half and quarter channels on G. At 10:42 AM 10/1/2009, you wrote: >If you aren't sectorized, you should do that first. > >Neither normal b or g or b/g are ideal in high noise. I don't mix. > >I like a little better g-mode on 10mhz channels using radio cards th

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Mike - you mean 5mhz and 10mhz channels? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 P

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Mike
Yeah, I think they use the same cards -- Willi Atheros. Goota set IEEE mode to G first, then half/quarter channels are available. At 11:04 AM 10/1/2009, you wrote: >Mike - you mean 5mhz and 10mhz channels? > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Tr

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Mike
I have a lot of Deliberant CPE in my network, just a few of their APS. But the newer generation stock with Atheros cards supports 20/10/5 MHz channels. From their site, concerning the Duos: Product contains: * Dual-Radio with adjustable RF Output Power * Rugged cast aluminum hinged en

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Jason Hensley
Smaller channel sizes is one thing we haven't done yet, but we can'd do it permanently unless we swap out a few CPE's. Have a couple of older Tranzeo's and an older Deliberant or two that don't support smaller channel sizes. Appreciate the info and help. We are going to try it on the Test AP we

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Steve Barnes
I have almost 100% Tranzeo CPEs and almost any CPQ and SL2 can do 20 10 or 5Mhz channels with the new 4.0.5 Firm. 5 and 10Mhz has really helped in some noisy areas. I had one tower I was about to take the sectors down and once going to 5mhz I have 15 new clients. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireles

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-10-01 Thread Steve Barnes
This is going way out there what happens if you turn your radio 90 degrees. Last month I had a client who was installed wrong. Tower was Horizontal and guys setup the radio vertical but it worked and they did not know any better. I got checking the tower later and saw the client was -79 at the

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Jayson Baker
I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for the next month -- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list... Our 2.4GHz spectrum is completely filled with vertical Canopy. We run UBNT AP's. Fixed at 2mi ACK. No RTS. Fixed G-only. Horizontal polarity. Max data rate of 54Mbps.

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Ryan Spott
"-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list." LOL! :) How many users per AP? ryan On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for the next month > -- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list... > > Our 2.4GHz spectrum is com

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-10-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
First, your signal is much too high. Multipath is a reflected signal. The newer radios hear quite nicely down to -94 or lower. The AVERAGE reflected signal is about 30dB. So if you have a signal any greater than -65 you'll be MORE likely to get multipath. It can't always be helped but I try

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-10-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Marlon, Those experiences - what band and product? On 10/1/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > First, your signal is much too high. Multipath is a reflected signal. The > newer radios hear quite nicely down to -94 or lower. The AVERAGE reflected > signal is about 30dB. > > So if you have a signal

Re: [WISPA] Multipath

2009-10-01 Thread Tom Sharples
In a related story - don't believe the polarity markings on an antenna unless you've verified them back at the shop. We've had batches of same-model antennas come in with some (but not all) of them marked incorrectly. Tom S. - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA Genera

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Jayson Baker
I dunno? Not a ton. Maybe 40 at the most. This segment of our network is very small. We mainly focus on big businesses. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Ryan Spott wrote: > "-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list." LOL! :) > > How many users per AP? > > ryan > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Mike
You don't say if you are using 5Mhz or 10MHz channels. I assume 10 with 40 customers. With the smaller bandwidth and slower speeds I think fractional channels limit the number of subscribers you can put on an AP. Does anybody have any empirical data on the number of users that can use a 5MHz

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Jayson Baker
Standard 20MHz channels. I, too, thought it was impossible. We started with Orinoco back in the day (2002), it worked well up until 30 subs -- then it was like dailup. Back then, we offered 256Kbps service. Turns out the big differences is not only much better radios, much better software, but

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Mike
We get a capital fee up front that covers most of the equipment charges. It was harder a few years ago with $380.00 radios, but like most electronic stuff they keep getting better and cheaper. Soon they will just be giving them to us. :-) At 06:49 PM 10/1/2009, you wrote: > Like I said, we

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread RickG
We've been running B mode since 2004. I dont lock the rates down but always shoot for 11Mbps. I like the idea of G mode but every time I try it, performance drops on the customer side. It may be because we're still on WRAP's running StarOS v2. I just started updating to v3, and it seems to be bette

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Travis Johnson
As soon as you can offer 7ms latency to 100 people off the same AP using WiFi based radios, please let me know. I will buy 200 AP's and 5,000 CPE. ;) Oh, and they need to operate on the same channels within a 5 mile radius. ;) Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: Standard 20MHz channels.

[WISPA] fcc article

2009-10-01 Thread Marco Coelho
This reminds me of my competitors claiming 5M downloads with 120 people per AP. http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/151865/fcc-asks-why-broadband-isnt-measuring-up-to-claims/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 19:47 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: > As soon as you can offer 7ms latency to 100 people off the same AP > using WiFi based radios, please let me know. I will buy 200 AP's and > 5,000 CPE. ;) That kind of density is NOT necessary for MANY WISPs. I know that is the cry that ne

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Tom Sharples
You'll see a dramatic improvement by upgrading from Wrap to Alix. Our net throughput easily doubled when we did that. Tom S. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-) We've been runn

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread David Hulsebus
I've had much better success with B in a hostile rf environment. Walmart put in wireless scanners just to the south of a sector where we have been running a Mikrotik AP and CPE's on G for a couple of years. I couldn't change channels or channel sizes but moved to B and while slower we were able

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Jayson Baker
Yes, how childish. Don't ever talk bad about Canopy to a Canopy Operator. It'll get them all flustered and they start flaming. I find it pretty hilarious, really. I've come to surmise that the reason EVERY Canopy Operator gets so pissed off when you talk about anything non-Canopy is because they

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Scottie Arnett
I agree. We first started as a Canopy 900 Mhz WISP. We have lots and I mean lots of hills around here. You normally can not go over 3 hundred feet without hitting a hill in your way. We started by using 900Mhz Canopy equipment. I will hear disputes from my partnerbut it is still the same. Wh

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread RickG
Tom, Which OS? On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: > You'll see a dramatic improvement by upgrading from Wrap to Alix. Our net > throughput easily doubled when we did that. > > Tom S. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Travis Johnson
Wow... are we really going to start this _again_? I started in 1997 with WaveLan 900mhz ISA cards in DOS based 386 PC routers using Novell drivers to make a router box. We have used WaveLan, Solectek, Orinoco, CM3's, 3Com, Trango, Mikrotik and lately Canopy. I have built a network from 0 custo

Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

2009-10-01 Thread Travis Johnson
Here was the original part of the message (that somehow got left off your reply): "For a very long time we got caught in the Canopy mentality "my Canopy is better than your <>" We finally opened our eyes, got jumped out of the gang, and are very happy we did. It seems a lot of Canopy operato