Update Then problem was FireFox. As soon as it loaded it immediately was
loading some add-ons that killed the traffic on the IP.
Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
trial and suffering can t
In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better - B or G?
Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode or is it OK to do a mix?
Max I want off of 2.4 customers is 3meg so not that worried about the extra
speed that G will provide, but, I would like to know which is more st
If you aren't sectorized, you should do that first.
Neither normal b or g or b/g are ideal in high noise. I don't mix.
I like a little better g-mode on 10mhz channels using radio cards that
support listening on 5/10 mhz channels like the xr2. (Many listen on
20mhz) You're more than twice as li
The Atheros Deliberant cards will do half and quarter channels on G.
At 10:42 AM 10/1/2009, you wrote:
>If you aren't sectorized, you should do that first.
>
>Neither normal b or g or b/g are ideal in high noise. I don't mix.
>
>I like a little better g-mode on 10mhz channels using radio cards th
Mike - you mean 5mhz and 10mhz channels?
Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 P
Yeah, I think they use the same cards -- Willi Atheros. Goota set
IEEE mode to G first, then half/quarter channels are available.
At 11:04 AM 10/1/2009, you wrote:
>Mike - you mean 5mhz and 10mhz channels?
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Tr
I have a lot of Deliberant CPE in my network, just a few of their
APS. But the newer generation stock with Atheros cards supports
20/10/5 MHz channels.
From their site, concerning the Duos:
Product contains:
* Dual-Radio with adjustable RF Output Power
* Rugged cast aluminum hinged en
Smaller channel sizes is one thing we haven't done yet, but we can'd do it
permanently unless we swap out a few CPE's. Have a couple of older
Tranzeo's and an older Deliberant or two that don't support smaller channel
sizes.
Appreciate the info and help. We are going to try it on the Test AP we
I have almost 100% Tranzeo CPEs and almost any CPQ and SL2 can do 20 10 or 5Mhz
channels with the new 4.0.5 Firm.
5 and 10Mhz has really helped in some noisy areas. I had one tower I was about
to take the sectors down and once going to 5mhz I have 15 new clients.
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireles
This is going way out there what happens if you turn your radio 90 degrees.
Last month I had a client who was installed wrong. Tower was Horizontal and
guys setup the radio vertical but it worked and they did not know any better.
I got checking the tower later and saw the client was -79 at the
I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for the next month
-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list...
Our 2.4GHz spectrum is completely filled with vertical Canopy.
We run UBNT AP's. Fixed at 2mi ACK. No RTS. Fixed G-only. Horizontal
polarity. Max data rate of 54Mbps.
"-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list." LOL! :)
How many users per AP?
ryan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jayson Baker wrote:
> I'll tell you what we do, but won't get into defending it for the next month
> -- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list...
>
> Our 2.4GHz spectrum is com
First, your signal is much too high. Multipath is a reflected signal. The
newer radios hear quite nicely down to -94 or lower. The AVERAGE reflected
signal is about 30dB.
So if you have a signal any greater than -65 you'll be MORE likely to get
multipath. It can't always be helped but I try
Marlon,
Those experiences - what band and product?
On 10/1/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> First, your signal is much too high. Multipath is a reflected signal. The
> newer radios hear quite nicely down to -94 or lower. The AVERAGE reflected
> signal is about 30dB.
>
> So if you have a signal
In a related story - don't believe the polarity markings on an antenna
unless you've verified them back at the shop. We've had batches of
same-model antennas come in with some (but not all) of them marked
incorrectly.
Tom S.
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Barnes"
To: "WISPA Genera
I dunno? Not a ton. Maybe 40 at the most. This segment of our network is
very small. We mainly focus on big businesses.
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Ryan Spott wrote:
> "-- oh, wait, this is not the Canopy list." LOL! :)
>
> How many users per AP?
>
> ryan
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1
You don't say if you are using 5Mhz or 10MHz channels. I assume 10
with 40 customers.
With the smaller bandwidth and slower speeds I think fractional
channels limit the number of subscribers you can put on an AP. Does
anybody have any empirical data on the number of users that can use a
5MHz
Standard 20MHz channels.
I, too, thought it was impossible. We started with Orinoco back in the day
(2002), it worked well up until 30 subs -- then it was like dailup. Back
then, we offered 256Kbps service. Turns out the big differences is not only
much better radios, much better software, but
We get a capital fee up front that covers most of the equipment
charges. It was harder a few years ago with $380.00 radios, but like
most electronic stuff they keep getting better and cheaper. Soon
they will just be giving them to us. :-)
At 06:49 PM 10/1/2009, you wrote:
> Like I said, we
We've been running B mode since 2004. I dont lock the rates down but
always shoot for 11Mbps. I like the idea of G mode but every time I
try it, performance drops on the customer side. It may be because
we're still on WRAP's running StarOS v2. I just started updating to
v3, and it seems to be bette
As soon as you can offer 7ms latency to 100 people off the same AP
using WiFi based radios, please let me know. I will buy 200 AP's and
5,000 CPE. ;)
Oh, and they need to operate on the same channels within a 5 mile
radius. ;)
Travis
Microserv
Jayson Baker wrote:
Standard 20MHz channels.
This reminds me of my competitors claiming 5M downloads with 120
people per AP.
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/151865/fcc-asks-why-broadband-isnt-measuring-up-to-claims/
--
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Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 19:47 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
> As soon as you can offer 7ms latency to 100 people off the same AP
> using WiFi based radios, please let me know. I will buy 200 AP's and
> 5,000 CPE. ;)
That kind of density is NOT necessary for MANY WISPs. I know that is
the cry that ne
You'll see a dramatic improvement by upgrading from Wrap to Alix. Our net
throughput easily doubled when we did that.
Tom S.
- Original Message -
From: "RickG"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
We've been runn
I've had much better success with B in a hostile rf environment. Walmart
put in wireless scanners just to the south of a sector where we have
been running a Mikrotik AP and CPE's on G for a couple of years. I
couldn't change channels or channel sizes but moved to B and while
slower we were able
Yes, how childish. Don't ever talk bad about Canopy to a Canopy Operator.
It'll get them all flustered and they start flaming. I find it pretty
hilarious, really. I've come to surmise that the reason EVERY Canopy
Operator gets so pissed off when you talk about anything non-Canopy is
because they
I agree. We first started as a Canopy 900 Mhz WISP. We have lots and I mean
lots of hills around here. You normally can not go over 3 hundred feet without
hitting a hill in your way. We started by using 900Mhz Canopy equipment. I will
hear disputes from my partnerbut it is still the same. Wh
Tom,
Which OS?
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Tom Sharples wrote:
> You'll see a dramatic improvement by upgrading from Wrap to Alix. Our net
> throughput easily doubled when we did that.
>
> Tom S.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Thursday,
Wow... are we really going to start this _again_?
I started in 1997 with WaveLan 900mhz ISA cards in DOS based 386 PC
routers using Novell drivers to make a router box. We have used
WaveLan, Solectek, Orinoco, CM3's, 3Com, Trango, Mikrotik and lately
Canopy. I have built a network from 0 custo
Here was the original part of the message (that somehow got left off
your reply):
"For a very long time we got caught in the Canopy mentality "my Canopy
is
better than your <>" We finally opened our eyes, got
jumped out of the gang, and are very happy we did. It seems a lot of Canopy
operato
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