Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread RickG
But, do the ones who have a choice for cheaper service and out of contract stay with you? -RickG On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Similar to your example of perceived value, we extract a capital fee up front when putting on a new customer.  My accountant described

Re: [WISPA] Long + Fast BH

2009-10-13 Thread Marco Coelho
2 twenty mile links would be much more probable to accomplish. Do you have any limits to dish size? Marco On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Pathing a ~43mile backhaul with little luck meeting the throughput requirements.  I'd buy whatever radio

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Curtis Maurand
Around here, ethernet drops run $100.00 each. Your price is very reasonable. --Curtis RickG wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair?

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Curtis Maurand
You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in the great white north, you need to go down 18 inches. --C Mike wrote: When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my idealism. Since starting

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Josh Luthman
Ethernet drops are 100/each here too but a repair isn't the same IMO. On 10/13/09, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Around here, ethernet drops run $100.00 each. Your price is very reasonable. --Curtis RickG wrote: Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Mike
No you don't. I have *several* direct burials just inches down. I dug them just the way I said. There's nothing to freeze? My business IS in the frozen north; Iowa. At 12:22 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in the great white

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Mike
Rick: The competition that came at me is 39.00. Mine, if you pay promptly is 42.50. They intentionally came in under me. Like I've said, only 2 have jumped ship. At 11:08 AM 10/13/2009, you wrote: But, do the ones who have a choice for cheaper service and out of contract stay with you?

[WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread Jeremy Parr
Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Ha! I have a pic of a competitor pointing a 13db 900 MHz panel at my gear. 30 feet away at the same colo site! ryan On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread Mike
Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to use. I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground screen. Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the tower/mount. There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with that level of signal. It

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Curtis Maurand
In that case I usually get $75.00/hr on-site plus $25.00/hr travel each direction plus materials. --Curtis Josh Luthman wrote: Ethernet drops are 100/each here too but a repair isn't the same IMO. On 10/13/09, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Around here, ethernet drops run

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Curtis Maurand
I would never do it that way. too much chance of someone crunching it if its not down far enough. ground expands and thaws and that can sever a cable. I know this doesn't classify as electrical, but electrical code around here is 18 deep. --C Mike wrote: No you don't. I have *several*

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/10/13 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? And a NS2 about 1/2 mile away from their omni, aimed 25* off and separated by a few sparse trees

[WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread jp
We've got a municipal lease for one of our towers in a town (We have several towers/sites in the town) and it's up for renewal. The municipal leaders wants a map of all users in town and where they get their service from. They want a listing of all users intown and out of town, who use the

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread lakeland
Don't do it. Cell companies don't do it Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:40:42 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] customer information We've got a municipal lease for one of our towers in a

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread Jerry Richardson
I would provide the revenue figure in the form of x # subs @ $y/mo but thats as far as i would go and that all they can reasonably expect to ask Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread Robert West
Sounds like they are looking into a new revenue stream. They are, after all, receiving a product that originates within the city limits. I've had my eye out for such a thing in my area also. We do small towns and our access points are outside of the towns for the most part. I figure it's just

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread Frank Crawford
Whats your plan if they raise the tower lease to an unacceptable level. Once you have a workable plan tell them no. Frank jp wrote: We've got a municipal lease for one of our towers in a town (We have several towers/sites in the town) and it's up for renewal. The municipal leaders wants a

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread lakeland
Are there other non-municipal users on this tower? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:40:42 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] customer information We've got a municipal lease for one of our towers

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread Blake Bowers
Sounds like someone in the city has the bright idea to offer municipal service and make some of the millions of dollars you are raking in each month. I know if you gave out my information like that, I would be finding another provider. Do they lease to anyone else on their sites? Are their new

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread RickG
Is it a comparable service? What do you give versus what they give? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: The competition that came at me is 39.00.  Mine, if you pay promptly is 42.50.  They intentionally came in under me.  Like I've said, only 2 have jumped

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread Nick Olsen
Fight fire with fire? Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and constantly bandwidth test between them? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread RickG
Before starting a war, go meet with them and see if you can get it worked out. -RickG On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Fight fire with fire? Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and constantly bandwidth test between

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread Mike Bushard Jr
How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was

[WISPA] Measuring broadband shouldn’t be this ha rd.

2009-10-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://telephonyonline.com/commentary/measuring-broadband-not-hard-1012/ If everyone HAD to report 477, and enforced, would it help? I know the enforced part is comical...but what if it wasn't? Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
It's 18 everywhere, that's NEC rules. I tell people what code is then let them handle the ditch... Also, we NEVER direct bury anymore. Eventually the gophers or something will get it, and you just can't splice this cable either (at least *I* won't). We put all underground in conduit

Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Our John Deere salesman confirmed for me that they're 902-928 and doesn't believe John Deere has anything outside of that. However, I don't know how to configure them or anything for when I but up against them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Mike Hammett
I used to use 10' PVC sticks, but now I just use sprinkler water pipe. Thinner wall, but much cheaper. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread jp
Thanks for the feedback everyone! I'm their guinea pig. They haven't let any cell providers in yet. I'm the only tower user leasing town property. I suspect they mistakenly assume I'm raking in millions from my rohn25 tower there, and not investing a dime to do something for their residents/my

Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule

2009-10-13 Thread Mike
Sorry Marlon; you'll have to show me. Not only is there no burial depth requirement for limited energy circuits, such as telephone, and data, but the installation you speak of was done by a communications utility, making it exempt from any NEC rules. NEC does talk about low voltage 30V

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
I would ask LOTS of questions. Not to be a gopher...hit me offlist if you want to know more. Scott -- Original Message -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:40:42 -0400 We've got a

Re: [WISPA] customer information

2009-10-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
Disregard b4, pretty much what he said. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:59:41 + Don't do it. Cell companies don't do it Sent from my