I used to use 10' PVC sticks, but now I just use sprinkler water pipe. Thinner wall, but much cheaper.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:51 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule > It's 18" everywhere, that's NEC rules. I tell people what code is then > let > them handle the ditch... > > Also, we NEVER direct bury anymore. Eventually the gophers or something > will get it, and you just can't splice this cable either (at least *I* > won't). > > We put all underground in conduit nowadays. Life is sooo much better this > way. > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curtis Maurand" <cmaur...@xyonet.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule > > >> >> I would never do it that way. too much chance of someone crunching it >> if its not down far enough. ground expands and thaws and that can sever >> a cable. I know this doesn't classify as electrical, but electrical >> code around here is 18" deep. >> >> --C >> >> Mike wrote: >>> No you don't. I have *several* direct burials just inches down. I >>> dug them just the way I said. There's nothing to freeze? My >>> business IS in the frozen north; Iowa. >>> >>> At 12:22 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in >>>> the great white north, you need to go down 18 inches. >>>> >>>> --C >>>> >>>> Mike wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to >>>>> conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my >>>>> idealism. Since starting this business I have regained some of >>>>> >>>> that idealism. >>>> >>>>> My experience is the opposite. I usually take care of those >>>>> customers who need minor help with things THEY consider part of MY >>>>> network. I would not have gone overhead unless there was no way to >>>>> trench. Direct burial cable is cheap. A trench can be made with a >>>>> power edger with a new blade. An aerial should be tied to a >>>>> supporting rope or wire. >>>>> >>>>> Most of my customers knew they couldn't get Internet except slow >>>>> dialup before we came along. Is it loyalty? A new company has been >>>>> selling in my county off of their cellular towers. I have only lost >>>>> 2 customers to them. >>>>> >>>>> Never underestimate the power of good customer service. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> At 07:58 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I used to think that but I have found no matter how much you give >>>>>> away, there is no loyalty! The monthly rate is all most care about. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for >>>>>>> materials. You may just retain that customer for the next two years >>>>>>> because of your good will. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If he is prepared for $50 and its easy and doesn't take you long, >>>>>>> you can say give me $20.00 for the cable and the custom ends, and >>>>>>> we'll call it even. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Either way, you'll make a friend/keep a customer; and they do talk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our hourly billing is $60. Usually to make network settings, get >>>>>>> virus protection on a machine ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 09:52 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his >>>>>>>> garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told him >>>>>>>> we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? >>>>>>>> Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable calls? >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> -RickG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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