Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-12-03 Thread Sam
I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-12-03 Thread Clay Stewart
Sounds like fun, and thank you for your service! Got pics? On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-12-03 Thread Josh Reynolds
Sam, I was a 13F20L7 (Joint Fires Observer) who was offered his E6's to stay in for another year or two. I passed. I got far used to 120deg F temps though between living in Phoenix and also Iraq. Somehow I ended up in Homer, Alaska :) Hoo-ah josh reynolds :: chief information officer ::

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-12-03 Thread Sam
It actually *was* fun. The worst part about winters in Alaska (the interior of Alaska that is) isn't so much the cold - there's rarely any wind. You can don a parka, mukluks, and gauntlet gloves (think mittens on steroids), move around a little bit, and stay warm. But the lack of daylight is a

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-12-03 Thread Sam
Josh, There's supposed to be great halibut fishing in Homer. Never made it over there, but spent a ton of time in Valdez. When that drunk skipper decided to ram into Bligh Reef, we got a free invitation to come down and scrub oil off the rocks. (Wasn't so much an invitation as it was Boy,

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-12-03 Thread Robert Andrews
Makes me think of the *MASH* episode where they went around singing Havin' a heat wave, tropical heat wave On 12/03/2013 12:09 PM, Sam wrote: It actually *was* fun. The worst part about winters in Alaska (the interior of Alaska that is) isn't so much the cold - there's rarely any

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Utick
We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Clay Stewart
Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these:

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Scott Carullo
: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Scott Carullo
: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_ id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Utick
Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an electric start dual fuel generator. The PacketFlux generator controller takes

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Blair Davis
Where does it say it runs LP? -- On 11/26/2013 12:29 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Utick
Oops. Sorry, I forwarded the wrong one. This is the one we are using: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Portable-Generator-4400-Watt/dp/B009RBKGZC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1385488324sr=8-1keywords=XP4400EH $499 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread James Howard
Is there a simple way to connect this to a large LP tank? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Utick Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Oops. Sorry, I

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Steve Utick
Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Is there a simple way to connect this to a large LP tank? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] TEGs

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Terry Hickey
. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Christopher Erickson
as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread D. Ryan Spott
rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Robert
855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Mike Lyon
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Mike Lyon
-- *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread D. Ryan Spott
12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Christopher Erickson
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Mike Hammett
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Josh Luthman
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Mike Hammett
26, 2013 2:27:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Ryan Spott
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Chris, Besides GlobalLTE, who else makes a decent TEG? Thanks, Mike On Nov 26, 2013

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Chris Ruschmann
' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We never found a good, reliable TEG for Alaskan environments. One device that is showing a lot of promise for Alaskan environments is the Sterling external combustion engine, running on diesel. No installations yet but testing continues

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Terry Hickey
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread D. Ryan Spott
mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Josh Luthman
wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Christopher Erickson
, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Ruschmann Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I think

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Christopher Erickson
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Christopher Erickson
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Scott Carullo
855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Terry Hickey
If I remember correctly the 5120 TEG is 120 W. We had 2 per tower site. From: Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:36 PM To: D. Ryan Spott ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Scott Carullo
From: Terry Hickey li...@khtech.ca Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators If I remember correctly the 5120 TEG is 120 W. We had 2 per tower site. From: Scott

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Clay Stewart
Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Mike Hammett
...@brevardwireless.com To: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net, sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread Mike Lyon
:36:15 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-26 Thread rsp...@irongoat.net
with 100w of power at a tower site?Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: "D. Ryan Spott" rsp...@irongoat.netSent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PMTo: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electri

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2013-11-26 Thread rsp...@irongoat.net
I think we paid $1.60/gal. Like I said before, once you get past 1000 gallons you get a screamin' deal. I think we pay $7.00 (seven dollars) for the deliver fee too. It is 9 miles up pretty crazy logging roads to get to the site. ryan Clay Stewart November 26, 2013 at

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-25 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping

Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

2013-11-25 Thread Mike Lyon
Except to refuel it :) http://www.globalte.com With a genset, you are not looking at any major maintenance, maybe a few hours / year. and if it dies , you buy another one and you are still under the amount a TEG would cost. Hell, you could buy 4 gensets for the price of a TEG. Me thinks its a