Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it. That's not to say it didn't happen. A side note... I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F! We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than what we had gotten used to. :) Sam On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Sounds like fun, and thank you for your service! Got pics? On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it. That's not to say it didn't happen. A side note... I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F! We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than what we had gotten used to. :) Sam On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Sam, I was a 13F20L7 (Joint Fires Observer) who was offered his E6's to stay in for another year or two. I passed. I got far used to 120deg F temps though between living in Phoenix and also Iraq. Somehow I ended up in Homer, Alaska :) Hoo-ah josh reynolds :: chief information officer :: spitwspots :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer :: On 12/03/2013 10:42 AM, Sam wrote: I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it. That's not to say it didn't happen. A side note... I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F! We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than what we had gotten used to. :) Sam On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
It actually *was* fun. The worst part about winters in Alaska (the interior of Alaska that is) isn't so much the cold - there's rarely any wind. You can don a parka, mukluks, and gauntlet gloves (think mittens on steroids), move around a little bit, and stay warm. But the lack of daylight is a real pain in the posterior. It's the darkest dark you can imagine, and like the cold, it's relentless. I did have pictures, but I think the wife took them when she upgraded to husband 2.0. I can ask her about them though - it was funny seeing a bunch of us out in the snow in summer clothes, barbequing our franks (And you're welcome. It was an honor.) On 12/3/2013 14:02, Clay Stewart wrote: Sounds like fun, and thank you for your service! Got pics? On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote: I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it. That's not to say it didn't happen. A side note... I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F! We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than what we had gotten used to. :) Sam On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Josh, There's supposed to be great halibut fishing in Homer. Never made it over there, but spent a ton of time in Valdez. When that drunk skipper decided to ram into Bligh Reef, we got a free invitation to come down and scrub oil off the rocks. (Wasn't so much an invitation as it was Boy, here's a bucket of Dawn and a brush. Go clean that mess up.) (For those of you who have never had the pleasure, it's not like cleaning up motor oil...this stuff was the thickest, tarriest, stinkiest stuff, and there was no way we were ever going to clean it all up. But we gave it our best shot.) I believe I'd take the cold over MOPP 5 chemical suits in Iraq. Or just practicing in Phoenix. You sir, have my utmost respect. Thank you. Sam On 12/3/2013 14:07, Josh Reynolds wrote: Sam, I was a 13F20L7 (Joint Fires Observer) who was offered his E6's to stay in for another year or two. I passed. I got far used to 120deg F temps though between living in Phoenix and also Iraq. Somehow I ended up in Homer, Alaska :) Hoo-ah josh reynolds :: chief information officer :: spitwspots :: Ubiquiti Certified AirMax Trainer :: On 12/03/2013 10:42 AM, Sam wrote: I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it. That's not to say it didn't happen. A side note... I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F! We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than what we had gotten used to. :) Sam On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Makes me think of the *MASH* episode where they went around singing Havin' a heat wave, tropical heat wave On 12/03/2013 12:09 PM, Sam wrote: It actually *was* fun. The worst part about winters in Alaska (the interior of Alaska that is) isn't so much the cold - there's rarely any wind. You can don a parka, mukluks, and gauntlet gloves (think mittens on steroids), move around a little bit, and stay warm. But the lack of daylight is a real pain in the posterior. It's the darkest dark you can imagine, and like the cold, it's relentless. I did have pictures, but I think the wife took them when she upgraded to husband 2.0. I can ask her about them though - it was funny seeing a bunch of us out in the snow in summer clothes, barbequing our franks (And you're welcome. It was an honor.) On 12/3/2013 14:02, Clay Stewart wrote: Sounds like fun, and thank you for your service! Got pics? On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com mailto:w...@csilogan.com wrote: I was in the military, stationed in Fairbanks (30 miles south of Fairbanks actually) for four years. There was a spell during the winter of 1988/1989 where we went something like six weeks with the temperature never climbing above -40F. (Fun fact: Five of the top ten lowest temperatures ever recorded in Alaska happened in January 1989.) We lived on-base so didn't have to deal with propane or LP gas. But I don't recall any of my friends living off-base having a problem with it. That's not to say it didn't happen. A side note... I remember one day after that spell of cold weather when a Chinook wind blew up from the Gulf of Alaska. The temperature warmed clear up to 0F! We were all outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts firing up the BBQ grills. Yeah, it was cold, but it was 50F to 60F degrees warmer than what we had gotten used to. :) Sam On 11/26/2013 15:06, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Steve, can you send me a link to the generator you purchased please. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_ id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an electric start dual fuel generator. The PacketFlux generator controller takes care of auto starting the generator when needed. We used a $5 electric door lock actuator motor from eBay on the thing to take care of opening and closing the choke to start it. Works great. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Where does it say it runs LP? -- On 11/26/2013 12:29 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an electric start dual fuel generator. The PacketFlux generator controller takes care of auto starting the generator when needed. We used a $5 electric door lock actuator motor from eBay on the thing to take care of opening and closing the choke to start it. Works great. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com mailto:sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 tel:434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 tel:434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com We Keep You Up and Running Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Oops. Sorry, I forwarded the wrong one. This is the one we are using: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Portable-Generator-4400-Watt/dp/B009RBKGZC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1385488324sr=8-1keywords=XP4400EH $499 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Where does it say it runs LP? -- On 11/26/2013 12:29 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an electric start dual fuel generator. The PacketFlux generator controller takes care of auto starting the generator when needed. We used a $5 electric door lock actuator motor from eBay on the thing to take care of opening and closing the choke to start it. Works great. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Is there a simple way to connect this to a large LP tank? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Utick Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Oops. Sorry, I forwarded the wrong one. This is the one we are using: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Portable-Generator-4400-Watt/dp/B009RBKGZC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1385488324sr=8-1keywords=XP4400EH $499 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.netmailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Where does it say it runs LP? -- On 11/26/2013 12:29 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an electric start dual fuel generator. The PacketFlux generator controller takes care of auto starting the generator when needed. We used a $5 electric door lock actuator motor from eBay on the thing to take care of opening and closing the choke to start it. Works great. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.commailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.commailto:sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363tel:434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510tel:434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.commailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648tel:269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
We just took off the factory hose and had the propane company come out and hook it up to a 250 gallon tank outside. We've also got an electric propane valve on it, controlled by the generator controller so we can turn the LP off when it's not running. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:59 AM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Is there a simple way to connect this to a large LP tank? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Oops. Sorry, I forwarded the wrong one. This is the one we are using: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Portable-Generator-4400-Watt/dp/B009RBKGZC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1385488324sr=8-1keywords=XP4400EH $499 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Where does it say it runs LP? -- On 11/26/2013 12:29 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Actually, I just looked, and they are down a bit from that: http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400E-Portable-Generator-Electric/dp/B001BMDFPS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1385486828sr=8-2keywords=xp4400eh $400. They are an electric start dual fuel generator. The PacketFlux generator controller takes care of auto starting the generator when needed. We used a $5 electric door lock actuator motor from eBay on the thing to take care of opening and closing the choke to start it. Works great. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Steve, what LP gas gen did you buy for $650? You say it has an automatic electric start? On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Steve Utick sut...@gmail.com wrote: We bought in inexpensive electric start LP gas generator ($650) and used one of these: http://www.packetflux.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=9products_id=55 We've got a 24v charger plugged into the generator and attached to the battery array. We've got the controller set to auto start the generator if the batteries dip to a set voltage, and run for a pre-set amount of time and then shut off. We are about $1,000 into the whole setup. (Doesn't include the battery charger, that was already at the site) On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.netthis sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.netthis sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=1737211180domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide *This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.* ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
*Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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How often is the tank refilled for what power load? On 11/26/2013 10:26 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Chris, Besides GlobalLTE, who else makes a decent TEG? Thanks, Mike On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:20, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Which TEG do you have? On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:26, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
On 11/26/13 10:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote: Which TEG do you have? I have 2 active and 2 in the shop Telan 50 series. They are no longer made but if you find them used snag them! :) Global is pretty much the only game in town unless you to with an RTG... but they are really only in the tundra of AK: http://ota-cdn.fas.org/reports/9423.pdf or somewhere way past Pluto: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/instruments_rtg.html :) ryan On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:26, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net mailto:rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
We never found a good, reliable TEG for Alaskan environments. One device that is showing a lot of promise for Alaskan environments is the Sterling external combustion engine, running on diesel. No installations yet but testing continues. http://www.whispergen-europe.com/ In Alaska we often used micro-filtered #2 diesel fuel and inside, heated auxiliary holding tanks with redundant pumps. We also installed dual 6kw, deep-sump gennies with a smart controller that did exercising and supported fail-over operation. One helicopter flight to an Alaskan mountain top typically cost about $10,000. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Chris, Besides GlobalLTE, who else makes a decent TEG? Thanks, Mike On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:20, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
What did you try? ryan On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: We never found a good, reliable TEG for Alaskan environments. One device that is showing a lot of promise for Alaskan environments is the Sterling external combustion engine, running on diesel. No installations yet but testing continues. http://www.whispergen-europe.com/ In Alaska we often used micro-filtered #2 diesel fuel and inside, heated auxiliary holding tanks with redundant pumps. We also installed dual 6kw, deep-sump gennies with a smart controller that did exercising and supported fail-over operation. One helicopter flight to an Alaskan mountain top typically cost about $10,000. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Chris, Besides GlobalLTE, who else makes a decent TEG? Thanks, Mike On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:20, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
I think that depends on how far away the mountain is from base, how long you stay on top of the mountain and whether or not the helicopter is still running while you are working due to the cold and altitude. An hour in a helicopter in Alaska runs about $1800 last I checked and they bill in 15 minute increments only when the engine is running. One of my clients is a Temsco Helicopters in Juneau ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We never found a good, reliable TEG for Alaskan environments. One device that is showing a lot of promise for Alaskan environments is the Sterling external combustion engine, running on diesel. No installations yet but testing continues. http://www.whispergen-europe.com/ In Alaska we often used micro-filtered #2 diesel fuel and inside, heated auxiliary holding tanks with redundant pumps. We also installed dual 6kw, deep-sump gennies with a smart controller that did exercising and supported fail-over operation. One helicopter flight to an Alaskan mountain top typically cost about $10,000. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Chris, Besides GlobalLTE, who else makes a decent TEG? Thanks, Mike On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:20, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
In my case, the propane was in various sized tanks from 100 gal Pig tanks to 1000 gal tanks depending on access. The most remote ones we used 100 gal pigs (14 per site ) and used helicopters to fly the propane. Made for more trips but the cost of the helicopter to fly big tanks was horrendous. Tanks were out in the weather but the lines and regulators were either in the shack with the TEGS or covered and insulated. Average winter temp without wind was about –10 F dipping to about –45 F. Not sure what the wind chill was. The people that bought the system augmented it with solar and wind (varying success with the wind as they could not keep impellers in the generators). It has been a couple of years so I am not sure of their present configuration or success. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate and enclose for success. I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year! ryan On 11/26/13 12:48 PM, Terry Hickey wrote: In my case, the propane was in various sized tanks from 100 gal Pig tanks to 1000 gal tanks depending on access. The most remote ones we used 100 gal pigs (14 per site ) and used helicopters to fly the propane. Made for more trips but the cost of the helicopter to fly big tanks was horrendous. Tanks were out in the weather but the lines and regulators were either in the shack with the TEGS or covered and insulated. Average winter temp without wind was about --10 F dipping to about --45 F. Not sure what the wind chill was. The people that bought the system augmented it with solar and wind (varying success with the wind as they could not keep impellers in the generators). It has been a couple of years so I am not sure of their present configuration or success. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:33 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com http://www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
I know the grandparents' farms have those things, doesn't get to 0 very often around here, let alone colder. I guess the compression and insulation help? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
$10k is a round-number summary deployment cost. Most of the mountain top sites we had were at least an hour one-way from Anchorage. And of course we had to pay for the bird to sit there while the technicians worked on the site. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Ruschmann Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I think that depends on how far away the mountain is from base, how long you stay on top of the mountain and whether or not the helicopter is still running while you are working due to the cold and altitude. An hour in a helicopter in Alaska runs about $1800 last I checked and they bill in 15 minute increments only when the engine is running. One of my clients is a Temsco Helicopters in Juneau ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Erickson Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We never found a good, reliable TEG for Alaskan environments. One device that is showing a lot of promise for Alaskan environments is the Sterling external combustion engine, running on diesel. No installations yet but testing continues. http://www.whispergen-europe.com/ In Alaska we often used micro-filtered #2 diesel fuel and inside, heated auxiliary holding tanks with redundant pumps. We also installed dual 6kw, deep-sump gennies with a smart controller that did exercising and supported fail-over operation. One helicopter flight to an Alaskan mountain top typically cost about $10,000. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Chris, Besides GlobalLTE, who else makes a decent TEG? Thanks, Mike On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:20, Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
If the regulators are inside then there won't be a problem with regulator icing. Maybe researching before typing will help. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Gas regulators have to have access to ambient pressure to work properly, so they can't be completely inside of the tank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_regulator However not all propane regulator designs have the same degree of vulnerability to icing and ones deployed outside in cold environments by professionals will likely be loss prone to icing than the Chinese stuff at the local hardware store. Icing is caused by the Ideal Gas Law. PV=nRT. A law of physics that would be silly to argue about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pv%3Dnrt Also, there are devices out there designed to connect to a Propane tank without an intermediate regulator. Large tanks of propane can benefit from thermal inertia for a while during cold snaps. But arguing about the -43.6F limit on Propane would be similar to arguing about the law of gravity. And my only point has been to remind people about the cold limits that exist for propane and propane regulators and to accommodate those limitations in your designs accordingly. I hope this helps. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car... outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Is the propane in a heated environment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes with its 20 below zero don't exist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Christopher Erickson christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is. Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane gas pressure regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F. This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important to know what the limits are. Christopher Erickson Consulting Engineer Summit Kinetics Waikoloa, HI 96738 www.summitkinetics.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Terry Hickey Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years before I sold the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving parts, very little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they just work . Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well. Terry -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6863 - Release Date: 11/24/13 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote rebooters etc How do you get away with 100w of power at a tower site? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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If I remember correctly the 5120 TEG is 120 W. We had 2 per tower site. From: Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:36 PM To: D. Ryan Spott ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote rebooters etc How do you get away with 100w of power at a tower site? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- From: D. Ryan Spott mailto:rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
For what it could cost for two or three of those for backup power to a site I can pay a guy on welfare to guard the site, remote reboot, and pedal the gen-bike when the lights go out for less per year :) Saves tax money too... Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Terry Hickey li...@khtech.ca Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators If I remember correctly the 5120 TEG is 120 W. We had 2 per tower site. From: Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:36 PM To: D. Ryan Spott ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote rebooters etc How do you get away with 100w of power at a tower site? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, Ican buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: D. Ryan Spott mailto:rsp...@irongoat.net Sent:Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject:Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was thisfrom? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on aTEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So iheard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a$300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propanegenset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a betterdeal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailinglist Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wirelessmailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Price of propane would make a difference in decision. It varies here from 2.99 to 3.35 a gal. So $3,300+ per fill up is a lot, so what are you paying for LP there? On Nov 26, 2013 1:56 PM, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: 50W DC is what I get out of mine. I fill the propane tank with ~1100 gallons every 2-4 years. I have a pic attached showing the simple power schematic The model is a 2T5 50W. The 40W is sitting standby. ryan On 11/26/13 10:33 AM, Robert wrote: How often is the tank refilled for what power load? On 11/26/2013 10:26 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Some of mine use 25 or 30 watts (5 UBNT radios and an RB750). If you add some licensed backhauls and a couple CCRs, though, and it'll add up real quick. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net, sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote rebooters etc How do you get away with 100w of power at a tower site? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PM To : sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From : D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net Sent : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM To : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Ubnt should start making TEGs... The market needs some disruption... On Nov 26, 2013, at 17:27, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Some of mine use 25 or 30 watts (5 UBNT radios and an RB750). If you add some licensed backhauls and a couple CCRs, though, and it'll add up real quick. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com *To: *D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net, sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36:15 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote rebooters etc How do you get away with 100w of power at a tower site? Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PM *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :) Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net rsp...@irongoat.net *Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
The 40W is just there to make up for lost solar time in the winter due to long days and snow. :) The consumption up there is ~100+Watts. There are a few hams that tend to use quite a bit of power. There is more than enough solar for April-October. ryan Scott Carullo November 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM We use a lot more then 100w though typical tower has two licensed links, 6 sectors, a few other unlicensed backhauls and two 24 port hp switches with 2 SPFs each, a router, thermal fans on two separate boxes, 3 DLI remote rebooters etc How do you get away with 100w of power at a tower site?Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: "D. Ryan Spott" rsp...@irongoat.netSent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:27 PMTo: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators*Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
I think we paid $1.60/gal. Like I said before, once you get past 1000 gallons you get a screamin' deal. I think we pay $7.00 (seven dollars) for the deliver fee too. It is 9 miles up pretty crazy logging roads to get to the site. ryan Clay Stewart November 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM Price of propane would make a difference in decision. It varies here from 2.99 to 3.35 a gal. So $3,300+ per fill up is a lot, so what are you paying for LP there? ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless D. Ryan Spott November 26, 2013 at 10:54 AM 50W DC is what I get out of mine. I fill the propane tank with ~1100 gallons every 2-4 years. I have a pic attached showing the simple power schematic The model is a 2T5 50W. The 40W is sitting standby. ryan Robert November 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM How often is the tank refilled for what power load?___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless D. Ryan Spott November 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM *Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to get to his sites... Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is: light let run for 1-5 years clean jets relight repeat. No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :) ryan On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote: Scott Carullo November 26, 2013 at 9:25 AM Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :)Scott CarulloTechnical Operations855-FLSPEED x102From: "D. Ryan Spott" rsp...@irongoat.netSent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AMTo: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric GeneratorsWho was this from?Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG.ryanOn 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
Except to refuel it :) http://www.globalte.com With a genset, you are not looking at any major maintenance, maybe a few hours / year. and if it dies , you buy another one and you are still under the amount a TEG would cost. Hell, you could buy 4 gensets for the price of a TEG. Me thinks its a ripoff even though i think they are cool... -Mike On Nov 25, 2013, at 21:15, D. Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote: Who was this from? Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG. ryan On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960 plus a $300 mount. It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal... -Mike ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
