RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, G.Villarini wrote: >When I sleep, my legs are relaxed too...jeje So are mine...I just don't sleep with my legs dangling below me. ;-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
When I sleep, my legs are relaxed too...jeje Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. >I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is >this thinking correct? It is not that the circulation is cut off. Veins (the blood vessels that move blood back to the heart) do not have the ability to move blood without the muscles around them moving. The veins in your body have valves every so often that assist in moving the blood back to the heart. The problem described in the article is not a result of blood flow being "cut off". Rather, the problem described is one where the muscles in your legs are inactive, and therefore, do not force the blood back up to the heart. This results in a lowered volume of blood for available for the heart to pump. In this situation, your heart will "automatically" reduce the flow of blood by slowing down. As stated in the article, usually, this reduction in blood flow will result in the victim fainting, which, for someone on the ground, is a good thing, because a victim that is prone (horizontal), gravity can get the blood (at least some of it) back into the system, and the blood volume will increase. HOWEVER, since the vicitim is strapped into an upright position on a tower, this does not occur, and gravity keeps the blood in the legs. The thing to learn, for a tower climber, is that it is not a good idea to let your legs "rest" by hanging from your positioning gear with your legs completely inactive for extended periods. By "extended" here, I mean 2-4 minutes. When I climb, I will sometimes "relax" by allowing my legs to dangle below me for a few seconds. For me, this is not a very comfortable position, but it is nice to remove the pressure on my feet for a few seconds. I find this article especially interesting, because when I was in college, I was a pre-med student, and my "love" was circulatory system studies. :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. >I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is >this thinking correct? It is not that the circulation is cut off. Veins (the blood vessels that move blood back to the heart) do not have the ability to move blood without the muscles around them moving. The veins in your body have valves every so often that assist in moving the blood back to the heart. The problem described in the article is not a result of blood flow being "cut off". Rather, the problem described is one where the muscles in your legs are inactive, and therefore, do not force the blood back up to the heart. This results in a lowered volume of blood for available for the heart to pump. In this situation, your heart will "automatically" reduce the flow of blood by slowing down. As stated in the article, usually, this reduction in blood flow will result in the victim fainting, which, for someone on the ground, is a good thing, because a victim that is prone (horizontal), gravity can get the blood (at least some of it) back into the system, and the blood volume will increase. HOWEVER, since the vicitim is strapped into an upright position on a tower, this does not occur, and gravity keeps the blood in the legs. The thing to learn, for a tower climber, is that it is not a good idea to let your legs "rest" by hanging from your positioning gear with your legs completely inactive for extended periods. By "extended" here, I mean 2-4 minutes. When I climb, I will sometimes "relax" by allowing my legs to dangle below me for a few seconds. For me, this is not a very comfortable position, but it is nice to remove the pressure on my feet for a few seconds. I find this article especially interesting, because when I was in college, I was a pre-med student, and my "love" was circulatory system studies. :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Don't know about that but look at the sala's. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Am I correct in thinking that this one http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10200 will kill you faster than this one? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is this thinking correct? Also, I printed the article and will deliver it to the fire chief here so he knows how to save my ass without killing it. =-O George wrote: > Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: > >> Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on >> the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the >> following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not >> aware of the dangers in doing so. >> >> http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Sa >> fety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm >> >> >> Lonnie >> > > > I had my guy read this link. > > One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a > seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. > It just adds added comfort. > > I think that was an important article for everyone to read. > > I mean who knew that this was something that happens. > > Surprised. > > George > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Am I correct in thinking that this one http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10200 will kill you faster than this one? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation. Is this thinking correct? Also, I printed the article and will deliver it to the fire chief here so he knows how to save my ass without killing it. =-O George wrote: Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie I had my guy read this link. One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. It just adds added comfort. I think that was an important article for everyone to read. I mean who knew that this was something that happens. Surprised. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie I had my guy read this link. One thing to note, is that the harness with the seat, is not really a seat that you sit in and dangle your feet. It just adds added comfort. I think that was an important article for everyone to read. I mean who knew that this was something that happens. Surprised. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
The time to rescue is the next best thing to not having the incident in the first place. Any mistake on a tower is a whole world of hurt. Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lonnie, > > Interesting Arcticle. > > First, I want to correct a previous statement. What I wrote was not what I > meant. When I was suggesting using the seat, I didn't mean actually sit > down, what I meant was use the seat. I use the lanyard to attach at the seat > side D-Rings, and lean back so my legs and straps share the weight instead > of my arms. In this possition it is easy to rest and regain strength. > > What I didn't know, and found interesting in the arcticle posted was: > > "Third, the harness keeps the worker in an upright position, regardless of > loss of consciousness, which is what kills workers." > > I never knew that. I was under the impression that if the head got cocked > back or cocked down, that it would restrict airflow, or if person got > inverted, blood rrush to their head and die, therefore upright was best. > > But after reading that, It sounds like to me that if you go unconcious, you > are screwed any way you rest, and really the only positive option to save a > person is shortening the time to complete the rescue. Any advice on the > preferred way to hang if you are unconcious? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > - Original Message - > From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread > > > Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on > the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the > following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not > aware of the dangers in doing so. > > http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm > > Lonnie > > On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are some of the alternative good training programs other than > > Comtrain? > > > > My advice as a novice, is... > > > > Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once > > you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have > > the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to > > be > > doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of > > and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When > > you > > climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are > > grabbing. > > > > Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process > > and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when > > you > > need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you > > put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they > > need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching > > on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to > > be > > comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same > > time, > > and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. > > Most > > importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much > > work > > as possible, to save the climber's strength. > > > > > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Brian Rohrbacher > > To: WISPA General List > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM > > Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread > > > > Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds > > for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. > > Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I > > figured a thread needs to be started. > > Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit > > someone who lacks common sense. > > Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof > > walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up > > strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. > > I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O > > > > Everyone reading this u
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Now rock climbing, that sounds fun. I wonder how far $600 would go in a rock climbing club. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: I agree. If you have ever seen one come down you know that it should be built correctly, and not by some guy who is cheap and dirty. A poorly constructed or installed tower can do much property damage and can even kill. I think common sense is great, but professional sense with respect to technical or trade things is better. If you do not wish to take a complete safety course why not approach your local fire dept and see if they would give some pointers at least. Join a rock climbing club and really get into it. The same issues are there when you are hanging on to a rock face and a slip or fall means certain death. Lonnie On 8/17/05, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too? If your climbing towers, you should know how to build one. That is the only way you might determine if one is safe to climb. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
I agree. If you have ever seen one come down you know that it should be built correctly, and not by some guy who is cheap and dirty. A poorly constructed or installed tower can do much property damage and can even kill. I think common sense is great, but professional sense with respect to technical or trade things is better. If you do not wish to take a complete safety course why not approach your local fire dept and see if they would give some pointers at least. Join a rock climbing club and really get into it. The same issues are there when you are hanging on to a rock face and a slip or fall means certain death. Lonnie On 8/17/05, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm > While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too? If > your climbing towers, you should know how to build one. That is the only > way you might determine if one is safe to climb. > > > Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: > Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the > harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following > link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers > in doing > so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On > 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are some of the alternative good training programs other than > Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength > it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for > your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back > down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the > top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, > and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get > sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter > height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will > encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of > the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you > don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back > again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do > you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you > hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn > to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go > climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save > the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: > Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 > 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford > training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either > way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently > informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to > be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that > would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into > the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, > procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to > use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone > reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that > and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P > http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm > G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! > Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband > Corp. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original > Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > George > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General > List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance > tosave > mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them > together :) > George G.Villarini wrote: > 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) > Gino A. > Villarini, > Aeronet Wireless Broadband > Corp. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original > Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > George > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General > List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to > save > mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about > guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school > and running a wisp, it > makes me happy and proud of you guys that are > starting life emb
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too? If your climbing towers, you should know how to build one. That is the only way you might determine if one is safe to climb. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Lonnie, Interesting Arcticle. First, I want to correct a previous statement. What I wrote was not what I meant. When I was suggesting using the seat, I didn't mean actually sit down, what I meant was use the seat. I use the lanyard to attach at the seat side D-Rings, and lean back so my legs and straps share the weight instead of my arms. In this possition it is easy to rest and regain strength. What I didn't know, and found interesting in the arcticle posted was: "Third, the harness keeps the worker in an upright position, regardless of loss of consciousness, which is what kills workers." I never knew that. I was under the impression that if the head got cocked back or cocked down, that it would restrict airflow, or if person got inverted, blood rrush to their head and die, therefore upright was best. But after reading that, It sounds like to me that if you go unconcious, you are screwed any way you rest, and really the only positive option to save a person is shortening the time to complete the rescue. Any advice on the preferred way to hang if you are unconcious? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? > > My advice as a novice, is... > > Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once > you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have > the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be > doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of > and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you > climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are > grabbing. > > Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process > and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you > need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you > put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they > need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching > on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be > comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, > and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most > importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work > as possible, to save the climber's strength. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > - Original Message - > From: Brian Rohrbacher > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM > Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread > > Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds > for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me. > Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I > figured a thread needs to be started. > Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit > someone who lacks common sense. > Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof > walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up > strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. > I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O > > Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are > just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. > :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm > > G.Villarini wrote: > Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband > Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original > Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General > List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance > tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them > together :) George G.Villarini wrote: > 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. > Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband > Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original > Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General > List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to > save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about > guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it > makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a > business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll > look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at > what ever you will be doing > then. > I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in > the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is > what drives the American way. Congrats again! George Brian Rohrbacher > wrote: > Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about > how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick > questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. > > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti
Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain? My advice as a novice, is... Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back down again! The last thing you want to be doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When you climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are grabbing. Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process and problems you will encounter. Simple problems get complicated, when you need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they need to get screwed back again. How do you keep your bucket from catching on things. What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to be comfortable. How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same time, and hold on? You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs. Most importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much work as possible, to save the climber's strength. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training. Either way, there are more people out there just like me.Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started. Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit someone who lacks common sense. Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect.. I'm just an accident waiting to happen. =-O Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any climbing. :-P http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm G.Villarini wrote: Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife) Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife) Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then. I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating in the business world. It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the American way. Congrats again! George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.11/74 - Release Date: 8/17/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
