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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-15 Thread Cameron Crum

Might have already been mentioned, but Patrick Fidell
pfid...@bandwidthsolutions.com.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:16 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Marcus at giglynx
> On Aug 11, 2014 7:47 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> There's a few WISPA members that perform those services.
>>
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>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM
>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
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>> Does anyone have some contacts?
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-15 Thread TJ Trout

Marcus at giglynx
On Aug 11, 2014 7:47 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> There's a few WISPA members that perform those services.
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>
> Does anyone have some contacts?
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


While we're at it, who knows anyone at dollar general?
There's one per every 1.5 miles in this town now.
I am NOT kidding.

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  From: Sam 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers


  Josh,

  Broadband Consultants (information included below) work with several 
  Tier I providers.

  www.broadbandconsultants.com
  meg...@broadbandconsultants.com
  Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025

  Also, have you checked to see if Hurricane Electric is available in the 
  area where you are needing service?

  Thanks, and good luck!
  Sam



  On 8/12/2014 10:38, Josh Luthman wrote:
  > I'm looking for a few people that have deals with "multiple carriers"
  > like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc.
  >
  >
  > Josh Luthman
  > Office: 937-552-2340
  > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
  > Troy, OH 45373
  >
  >
  > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson  <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
  >
  > I guess part of it depends on where and what.  If you are going into
  > a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport.
  >
  > Justin
  >
  > --
  > Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net>>
  > http://www.mtin.net <http://www.mtin.net/blog>
  > Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
  > http://www.thebrotherswisp.com
  > Podcast about xISP topics
  >
  >
  >
  > From: Josh Luthman  <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
  > Reply-To: WISPA General List  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
  > Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM
  >
  > To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
  > Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
  >
  > Does anyone have some contacts?
  >
  > Josh Luthman
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  > Direct: 937-552-2343 
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Mike Hammett

I don't think anyone gets "deals" on Verizon. ;-) 




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From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Justin Wilson"  
Cc: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:38:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers 


I'm looking for a few people that have deals with "multiple carriers" like 
Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc. 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson < li...@mtin.net > wrote: 




I guess part of it depends on where and what. If you are going into a co-lo 
then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport. 


Justin 




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From: Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM 

To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers 





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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Sam

Josh,

Broadband Consultants (information included below) work with several 
Tier I providers.

www.broadbandconsultants.com
meg...@broadbandconsultants.com
Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025

Also, have you checked to see if Hurricane Electric is available in the 
area where you are needing service?

Thanks, and good luck!
Sam



On 8/12/2014 10:38, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I'm looking for a few people that have deals with "multiple carriers"
> like Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson  > wrote:
>
> I guess part of it depends on where and what.  If you are going into
> a co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport.
>
> Justin
>
> --
> Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.net>>
> http://www.mtin.net 
> Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com
> Podcast about xISP topics
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman  >
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  >
> Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
>
> Does anyone have some contacts?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Blake Covarrubias

Check out GigLinx. We just went through them to get some transport.

Offir Schwartz
Global Accounts Manager
www.giglinx.com
Office: 512-377-6827

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> On Aug 12, 2014, at 8:38, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a few people that have deals with "multiple carriers" like 
> Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>  I guess part of it depends on where and what.  If you are going into a 
>> co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport.
>> 
>>  Justin
>> 
>> --
>> Justin Wilson  
>> http://www.mtin.net
>> Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
>> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com 
>> Podcast about xISP topics
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>> 
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
>> 
>> Does anyone have some contacts?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Josh Luthman

I'm looking for a few people that have deals with "multiple carriers" like
Level 3, Cogent, Verizon, etc.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

>  I guess part of it depends on where and what.  If you are going into a
> co-lo then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport.
>
> Justin
>
> --
> Justin Wilson 
> http://www.mtin.net 
> Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers
> http://www.thebrotherswisp.com
> Podcast about xISP topics
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
>
> Does anyone have some contacts?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Josh Luthman

Roger, I'm very familiar with that company already.  I hadn't heard of that
domain before, though!


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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> Looking for bandwidth? Have you looked at these guys?
>
> http://ifnetwork.biz/
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have some contacts?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Justin Wilson

I guess part of it depends on where and what.  If you are going into a co-lo
then ethernet is much easier to sell separate from transport.

Justin

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From:  Josh Luthman 
Reply-To:  WISPA General List 
Date:  Monday, August 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM
To:  WISPA General List 
Subject:  [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers


Does anyone have some contacts?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Mike Hammett

That's what I did. Well, I ruled out vendors that I know what they did or their 
name lended itself to a certain type of service... like BillMax. Pretty sure 
they do billing, so I don't need to check there. 




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From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:24:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers 


I'm sure there is, however short of going through every vendor member I don't 
know who to look at. 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. 




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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers 




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Josh Luthman

I'm sure there is, however short of going through every vendor member I
don't know who to look at.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Mike Hammett 
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>
> Does anyone have some contacts?
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Sam

Josh, Megan Henry and the folks in her office have been great to work with.

www.broadbandconsultants.com

meg...@broadbandconsultants.com

Ph: 888-488-BROADBAND Ext 1025


On 8/11/2014 18:14, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Does anyone have some contacts?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-12 Thread Mac Dearman

Josh,

 

   We are two years deep in a contract with the folks below. I have to give the 
kudo’s - - they gave us some good pricing and have been outstanding good help. 
I don’t know if he can help you, but I would think it would be worth a phone 
call. YMMV

 

Good luck,

Mac

 

Scott Fairbairn
American Communication Solutions, Inc.
901 South Mopac, Bldg. 2, Suite 505
Austin, TX 78746

www.amcomsolutions.com
512-342-2226  x101

cid:part2.00040902.06050700@amcomsolutions.com

 

 

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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:15 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

 

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-11 Thread Mike Hammett

There's a few WISPA members that perform those services. 




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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers 


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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

2014-08-11 Thread Roger Howard

Looking for bandwidth? Have you looked at these guys?

http://ifnetwork.biz/


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-21 Thread Mark Spring

can't wait to try this version out, mine did have a messed up link
though..didn't go to irongoat at all. Fixed:

http://www.irongoat.net/tranzeofaq/speedtest2.zip<http://tranzeofaq.com/speedtest2.zip>


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On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:

>  I liked the speedtests that are based off of fancy speedtest but I did
> not like the fact that I could not see historical speedtest data. I edited
> it to collect data on any customer running the speedtest.
>
> I have a few customers that will call and freak out over slow speedtests
> until I looked and saw they were running the test over and over and over
> again with good results and then they would get a bad one, stop testing,
> and call me! After I told them I had a record of all of the tests suddenly
> the monthly race to get a bad test (and ask for a credit!) would stop!
>
> <http://www.irongoat.net/tranzeofaq/speedtest2.zip><http://tranzeofaq.com/speedtest2.zip>
>
> This test shows your customer the last 5 speedtests and allows you, the
> admin to see ALL of the speedtests performed.
>
> You will need to muck around a bit to setup the mysql username/passwords.
>
> ryan
>
>
> On 3/15/14 4:49 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>
>  Yeah, I'd like that script, too.
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Art Stephens
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> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
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>
>
> Care to share to script?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>
> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
> describe...
>
> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
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> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
> > Good Morning Folks!
> >
> > Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> > boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> > I cannot remember the name of it.
> >
> > Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> > for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> > from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> > provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> > is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> > to their equipment at their home or business.
> >
> > Hopefully this makes sense
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-20 Thread D. Ryan Spott

I liked the speedtests that are based off of fancy speedtest but I did 
not like the fact that I could not see historical speedtest data. I 
edited it to collect data on any customer running the speedtest.

I have a few customers that will call and freak out over slow speedtests 
until I looked and saw they were running the test over and over and over 
again with good results and then they would get a bad one, stop testing, 
and call me! After I told them I had a record of all of the tests 
suddenly the monthly race to get a bad test (and ask for a credit!) 
would stop!

<http://www.irongoat.net/tranzeofaq/speedtest2.zip>

This test shows your customer the last 5 speedtests and allows you, the 
admin to see ALL of the speedtests performed.

You will need to muck around a bit to setup the mysql username/passwords.

ryan

On 3/15/14 4:49 PM, David Williamson wrote:

Yeah, I'd like that script, too.

David

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Care to share to script?

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:

There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php 
<http://www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php>

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>
> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> I cannot remember the name of it.
>
> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> to their equipment at their home or business.
>
> Hopefully this makes sense
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-16 Thread David Williamson

Yeah, I'd like that script, too.

 

David

 

 

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Behalf Of Art Stephens
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

 

Care to share to script?

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:

There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php

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On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
> Good Morning Folks!
>
> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the
Linux
> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of
me
> I cannot remember the name of it.
>
> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd
like
> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the
tower
> to their equipment at their home or business.
>
> Hopefully this makes sense
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Art Stephens

Care to share to script?


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:

> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
> describe...
>
> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
>
> --
> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
> > Good Morning Folks!
> >
> > Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> > boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> > I cannot remember the name of it.
> >
> > Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> > for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> > from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> > provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> > is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> > to their equipment at their home or business.
> >
> > Hopefully this makes sense
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Blair Davis

opps!

Anybody who wants it, send an email to me and I'll send you a zip.

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> Thanks to everyone who's helped with this and offered suggestions! As
> always, you guys are the best!
>
>
> On 3/6/2014 12:14, Blair Davis wrote:
>> Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003.
>>
>> I have a zip of the directory it lives in.
>>
>> I just opened it up and looked at it.  It appears to be C1999 and C2001
>> by WISPA...  under GPL
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote:
>>> These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
>>> a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
>>> very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
 There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
 describe...

 www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Sam

Thanks to everyone who's helped with this and offered suggestions! As 
always, you guys are the best!


On 3/6/2014 12:14, Blair Davis wrote:
> Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003.
>
> I have a zip of the directory it lives in.
>
> I just opened it up and looked at it.  It appears to be C1999 and C2001
> by WISPA...  under GPL
>
> --
>
>
> On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote:
>> These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
>> a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
>> very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>   Robert
>>
>>
>> On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
>>> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
>>> describe...
>>>
>>> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
>>

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2014-03-06 Thread Blair Davis

Quite honestly, it has been on my website since 2003.

I have a zip of the directory it lives in.

I just opened it up and looked at it.  It appears to be C1999 and C2001 
by WISPA...  under GPL

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On 3/6/2014 12:39 PM, Robert wrote:
> These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
> a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
> very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...
>
> Best,
>
>  Robert
>
>
> On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
>> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
>> describe...
>>
>> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
>>
>> --
>> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
>>> Good Morning Folks!
>>>
>>> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
>>> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
>>> I cannot remember the name of it.
>>>
>>> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
>>> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
>>> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
>>> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
>>> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
>>> to their equipment at their home or business.
>>>
>>> Hopefully this makes sense
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Robert

These can usually be made more accurate for greater bandwidths by giving
a variety of download file sizes for different pipe sizes..   Usually
very easy programming...  If you wouldn't mind sharing the source...

Best,

Robert


On 03/06/2014 08:25 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you 
> describe...
> 
> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
> 
> --
> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
>> Good Morning Folks!
>>
>> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
>> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
>> I cannot remember the name of it.
>>
>> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
>> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
>> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
>> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
>> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
>> to their equipment at their home or business.
>>
>> Hopefully this makes sense
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Roger Howard

I think I like that.. . Might put it on my website. Hahaha.


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 100Mbit
> fiber
>
> *217739.688 Kbps*
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>
>> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
>> describe...
>>
>> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
>>
>> --
>> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
>> > Good Morning Folks!
>> >
>> > Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
>> > boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
>> > I cannot remember the name of it.
>> >
>> > Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
>> > for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
>> > from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
>> > provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
>> > is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
>> > to their equipment at their home or business.
>> >
>> > Hopefully this makes sense
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sam
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Blair Davis


It was built in the days of dial-up.  Works ok to about 10M.

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On 3/6/2014 11:29 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 
100Mbit fiber


*217739.688 Kbps*


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis > wrote:


There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php


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On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
> Good Morning Folks!
>
> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of
the Linux
> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the
life of me
> I cannot remember the name of it.
>
> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically
I'd like
> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming
bandwidth
> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my
equipment
> is providing them with service from this server at the base of
the tower
> to their equipment at their home or business.
>
> Hopefully this makes sense
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Roger Howard

I just loaded that one a few times and managed to get 217Mbps on a 100Mbit
fiber

*217739.688 Kbps*


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:

> There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
> describe...
>
> www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php
>
> --
> On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
> > Good Morning Folks!
> >
> > Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> > boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> > I cannot remember the name of it.
> >
> > Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> > for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> > from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> > provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> > is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> > to their equipment at their home or business.
> >
> > Hopefully this makes sense
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Blair Davis

There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you 
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php

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> Good Morning Folks!
>
> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> I cannot remember the name of it.
>
> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> to their equipment at their home or business.
>
> Hopefully this makes sense
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Josh Luthman

Just update it every Sunday.

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On Mar 6, 2014 9:58 AM, "Justin Wilson"  wrote:

> http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php
>
>
> It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month
> or so).
>
> Justin
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Sam 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
>
> >Good Morning Folks!
> >
> >Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> >boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> >I cannot remember the name of it.
> >
> >Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> >for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> >from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> >provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> >is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> >to their equipment at their home or business.
> >
> >Hopefully this makes sense
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Sam

Thank you for sending that Justin.

Do you (or anyone of you) know of one written in PERL? I'm 
reasonably-certain that's how the original that I used to use was coded. 
In a nutshell it times how long a large file would take to be 
downloaded, do the math, and figure out Kbps (or Mbps). While PERL isn't 
my strong suit, I may be able to write one from scratch. However if 
someone's already invented the wheel, there's no point in reinventing it 
all over again. :)

Thanks
Sam


On 3/6/2014 08:58, Justin Wilson wrote:
> http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php
>
>
> It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month
> or so).
>
> Justin
>
>
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> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Thursday, March 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test
>
>> Good Morning Folks!
>>
>> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
>> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
>> I cannot remember the name of it.
>>
>> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
>> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
>>from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
>> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
>> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
>> to their equipment at their home or business.
>>
>> Hopefully this makes sense
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

2014-03-06 Thread Justin Wilson

http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php


It expires on a regular basis so check on it every so often (every month
or so).

Justin


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>Good Morning Folks!
>
>Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
>boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
>I cannot remember the name of it.
>
>Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
>for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
>from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
>provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
>is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
>to their equipment at their home or business.
>
>Hopefully this makes sense
>
>Thanks,
>Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread Ben West

The ability to apply these kinds of filters in UBNT and Mikrotik firmware
will be limited, but I've had moderate success using Boyer-Moore filters
with iptables in OpenWRT land.  The commands below are for a chain labeled
"p2pblock," through which all incoming NAT traffic to be forwarded, ports
1024 above, are piped.  Not 100% by any measure, but it does help to
unambiguously identify unencrypted torrent traffic.

iptables -I p2pblock -m string --string "BitTorrent protocol"
--algo bm -m recent --rdest --set --name P2PBLOCK
iptables -I p2pblock -m string --string "BitTorrent protocol"
--algo bm -m limit --limit 1/minute -j LOG --log-prefix P2PBLOCK-seen-bitbm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyer%E2%80%93Moore_string_search_algorithm
https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=38843 (demonstration for OpenWRT)

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>  We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very expensive
> IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also discussed in
> our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by using a socks proxy
> to another country just for torrent traffic.
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread ~NGL~

How do I set limits on Nanostations?
NGL

--
From: "Sam Tetherow" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:26 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

> Which is why you really should limit the behavior and not the
> application.  The problem isn't because they are torrents, it is because
> the a) use a lot of download bandwidth b) use a lot of upload bandwidth
> c) have a high pps d) have a large connection count.  Pick which one is
> affecting your network and limit that rather than trying to limit a
> specific application.  That way you are fixing the problem and not
> chasing today's cause of the problem.
>
> On 02/18/2014 01:18 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered 
>> tracker.
>>
>> But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that
>> will work fine to block it.
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net
>> 530.272.4000
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very
>>> expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also
>>> discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by
>>> using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic.
>>>
>>> *Josh Reynolds*
>>> Chief Information Officer
>>> SPITwSPOTS
>>> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>> On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>>> So how do you stop torrents?
>>>> NGL
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>
>>>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM
>>>>  *To:* wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage
>>>>
>>>>  It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the
>>>>  goal line.
>>>>
>>>>  *Josh Reynolds*
>>>>  Chief Information Officer
>>>>  SPITwSPOTS
>>>>  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com 
>>>> <http://www.spitwspots.com>
>>>>
>>>>  On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>  Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after
>>>>>  something a bit different.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>>>  Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>  1100 Wayne St
>>>>>  Suite 1337
>>>>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>>>>  mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>  You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets
>>>>>  displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the
>>>>>  nanostation or whatever device you're running.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  *Josh Reynolds*
>>>>>  Chief Information Officer
>>>>>  SPITwSPOTS
>>>>>  j...@spitwspots.com <mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> |
>>>>>  www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>  For an hour?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>>>>  Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>>>>  Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>>>>  1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>  Suite 1337
>>>>>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, "Sam Tetherow"
>>>>>>  mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use
>>>>>>  tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic 
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>>  How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of
>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread Sam Tetherow

Which is why you really should limit the behavior and not the 
application.  The problem isn't because they are torrents, it is because 
the a) use a lot of download bandwidth b) use a lot of upload bandwidth 
c) have a high pps d) have a large connection count.  Pick which one is 
affecting your network and limit that rather than trying to limit a 
specific application.  That way you are fixing the problem and not 
chasing today's cause of the problem.

On 02/18/2014 01:18 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker.
>
> But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that
> will work fine to block it.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very
>> expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also
>> discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by
>> using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic.
>>
>> *Josh Reynolds*
>> Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS
>> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>> So how do you stop torrents?
>>> NGL
>>>
>>>  *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM
>>>  *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
>>>  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage
>>>
>>>  It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the
>>>  goal line.
>>>
>>>  *Josh Reynolds*
>>>  Chief Information Officer
>>>  SPITwSPOTS
>>>  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com 
>>>
>>>  On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after
  something a bit different.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
  mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

  

  You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets
  displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the
  nanostation or whatever device you're running.


  *Josh Reynolds*
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com  |
  www.spitwspots.com 

  On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>  For an hour?
>
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340 
>  Direct: 937-552-2343 
>  1100 Wayne St
>  Suite 1337
>  Troy, OH 45373
>
>  On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, "Sam Tetherow"
>  mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:
>
>  Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use
>  tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out.
>
>  On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>  How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of
>>  memory/flash?  netstat would be pretty hard to read if
>>  it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>>  Office: 937-552-2340 
>>  Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>  1100 Wayne St
>>  Suite 1337
>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>  mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  Horsepoopy
>>
>>  tcpdump / netstat / iptraf
>>
>>  See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this
>>  thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people
>>  actually knew how to use it.
>>
>>  *Josh Reynolds*
>>  Chief Information Officer
>>  SPITwSPOTS
>>  j...@spitwspots.com  |
>>  www.spitwspots.com 
>>
>>  On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>  If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going
>>>  to have to do a packet capture some how.
>>>
>>>  Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman
>>>  Office: 937-552-2340 
>>>  Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>>  1100 Wayne St
>>>  Suite 1337
>>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread Josh Reynolds

And to us, if they're tunneled, they're not stressing our network. :)

On Feb 18, 2014 10:18 AM, Matt Jenkins  wrote:
>
> My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker. 
>
> But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that 
> will work fine to block it. 
>
> Matthew Jenkins 
> SmarterBroadband 
> m...@sbbinc.net 
> 530.272.4000 
>
> On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
> > We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very 
> > expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also 
> > discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by 
> > using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic. 
> > 
> > *Josh Reynolds* 
> > Chief Information Officer 
> > SPITwSPOTS 
> > j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com 
> > 
> > On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: 
> >> So how do you stop torrents? 
> >> NGL 
> >> 
> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds  
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM 
> >> *To:* wireless@wispa.org  
> >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage 
> >> 
> >> It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the 
> >> goal line. 
> >> 
> >> *Josh Reynolds* 
> >> Chief Information Officer 
> >> SPITwSPOTS 
> >> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com  
> >> 
> >> On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> >>> Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after 
> >>> something a bit different. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Josh Luthman 
> >>> Office: 937-552-2340 
> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> >>> 1100 Wayne St 
> >>> Suite 1337 
> >>> Troy, OH 45373 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> >>> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>> You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets 
> >>> displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the 
> >>> nanostation or whatever device you're running. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> *Josh Reynolds* 
> >>> Chief Information Officer 
> >>> SPITwSPOTS 
> >>> j...@spitwspots.com  | 
> >>> www.spitwspots.com  
> >>> 
> >>> On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
>  
>  For an hour? 
>  
>  Josh Luthman 
>  Office: 937-552-2340  
>  Direct: 937-552-2343  
>  1100 Wayne St 
>  Suite 1337 
>  Troy, OH 45373 
>  
>  On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, "Sam Tetherow" 
>  mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote: 
>  
>  Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use 
>  tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out. 
>  
>  On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> > How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of 
> > memory/flash?  netstat would be pretty hard to read if 
> > it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist. 
> > 
> > 
> > Josh Luthman 
> > Office: 937-552-2340  
> > Direct: 937-552-2343  
> > 1100 Wayne St 
> > Suite 1337 
> > Troy, OH 45373 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> > mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote: 
> > 
> > Horsepoopy 
> > 
> > tcpdump / netstat / iptraf 
> > 
> > See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this 
> > thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people 
> > actually knew how to use it. 
> > 
> > *Josh Reynolds* 
> > Chief Information Officer 
> > SPITwSPOTS 
> > j...@spitwspots.com  | 
> > www.spitwspots.com  
> > 
> > On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> >> If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going 
> >> to have to do a packet capture some how. 
> >> 
> >> Mikrotik would make this much much much easier. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Josh Luthman 
> >> Office: 937-552-2340  
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343  
> >> 1100 Wayne St 
> >> Suite 1337 
> >> Troy, OH 45373 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~ 
> >> mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> How do I check for UDP connections,

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread Matt Jenkins

My torrents are encrypted over port 443 in a tunnel to a registered tracker.

But if they are using plain ol' piratebay or equivalent a box like that 
will work fine to block it.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 02/18/2014 11:15 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> We do L7 QoS / shaping / filtering at our head end with a very 
> expensive IPOQUE PRX device, and explicitly block torrents. It's also 
> discussed in our ToS. The only way I've found to get around it is by 
> using a socks proxy to another country just for torrent traffic.
>
> *Josh Reynolds*
> Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS
> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 02/18/2014 10:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>> So how do you stop torrents?
>> NGL
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM
>> *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage
>>
>> It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the
>> goal line.
>>
>> *Josh Reynolds*
>> Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS
>> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com 
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after
>>> something a bit different.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets
>>> displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the
>>> nanostation or whatever device you're running.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Josh Reynolds*
>>> Chief Information Officer
>>> SPITwSPOTS
>>> j...@spitwspots.com  |
>>> www.spitwspots.com 
>>>
>>> On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 For an hour?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 
 Direct: 937-552-2343 
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, "Sam Tetherow"
 mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net>> wrote:

 Not sure I understand what the problem is. I use
 tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out.

 On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of
> memory/flash?  netstat would be pretty hard to read if
> it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds
> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>
> Horsepoopy
>
> tcpdump / netstat / iptraf
>
> See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this
> thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people
> actually knew how to use it.
>
> *Josh Reynolds*
> Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS
> j...@spitwspots.com  |
> www.spitwspots.com 
>
> On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going
>> to have to do a packet capture some how.
>>
>> Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~
>> mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:
>>
>> How do I check for UDP connections, I am
>> using Nanostations?
>>
>> *From:* Ben West 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage
>>
>> Torrents can consume up and down
>> bandwidth with n

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread Matt Jenkins

Bill for overusage.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 02/18/2014 11:08 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> So how do you stop torrents?
> NGL
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage
>
> It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the
> goal line.
>
> *Josh Reynolds*
> Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS
> j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com 
>
> On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after
>> something a bit different.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
>> mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets
>> displayed on the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the
>> nanostation or whatever device you're running.
>>
>>
>> *Josh Reynolds*
>> Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS
>> j...@spitwspots.com  |
>> www.spitwspots.com 
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> For an hour?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, "Sam Tetherow" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure I understand what the problem is.  I use
>>> tcpdump all the time on a nanostation to check traffic out.
>>>
>>> On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of
 memory/flash?  netstat would be pretty hard to read if
 it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 
 Direct: 937-552-2343 
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

 Horsepoopy

 tcpdump / netstat / iptraf

 See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this
 thing called Linux. Once upon a time, people
 actually knew how to use it.

 *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com  |
 www.spitwspots.com 

 On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to
> have to do a packet capture some how.
>
> Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~
> mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:
>
> How do I check for UDP connections, I am using
> Nanostations?
>
> *From:* Ben West 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage
>
> Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth
> with no limit, depending on how the client
> is set up.  Do you see that customer
> opening many many many UDP connections?
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~
> mailto:n...@ngl.net>> wrote:
>
> I have a customer that has used 19
> GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in the
> last 18 hours.
> What does a smart TV use?
> What can they be doing?
> NGL
>   If you

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread ~NGL~

So how do you stop torrents?
NGL
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:03 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

  It's kind of hard to score a touchdown when you keep moving the goal line.

  Josh Reynolds
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

  On 02/18/2014 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Sure for currently active traffic.  But I think OP is after something a bit 
different.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  You're running tcpdump in an SSH session. All the data gets displayed on 
the ssh client, it doesn't stay on the nanostation or whatever device you're 
running. 

  Josh Reynolds
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

  On 02/18/2014 09:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

For an hour?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 18, 2014 1:30 PM, "Sam Tetherow"  wrote:

  Not sure I understand what the problem is.  I use tcpdump all the 
time on a nanostation to check traffic out.

  On 02/18/2014 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How are you going to tcpdump with 16 MB of memory/flash?  netstat 
would be pretty hard to read if it's bridge mode and iptraf doesn't exist.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  Horsepoopy

  tcpdump / netstat / iptraf

  See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called 
Linux. Once upon a time, people actually knew how to use it.

  Josh Reynolds
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
  j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

  On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a 
packet capture some how. 

Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

  How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations?

From: Ben West 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth with no limit, 
depending on how the client is set up.  Do you see that customer opening many 
many many UDP connections?

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~  
wrote:

  I have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down and 9 
GBytes up in the last 18 hours.

  What does a smart TV use?

  What can they be doing?

  NGL

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth usage

2014-02-18 Thread ~NGL~

Why not just have the client remove the torrent from their computers?
NGL
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:17 AM
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

  Hah! :)

  Josh Reynolds
  Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS
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  On 02/18/2014 09:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Linux...  wasn't he the guy with the blanket?  ;-)

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From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:15:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

Horsepoopy

tcpdump / netstat / iptraf

See, before there was Mikrotik, there was this thing called Linux. Once 
upon a time, people actually knew how to use it.

Josh Reynolds
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On 02/18/2014 09:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  If you're limited to Nanostations, you're going to have to do a packet 
capture some how. 

  Mikrotik would make this much much much easier.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

How do I check for UDP connections, I am using Nanostations?

  From: Ben West 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:57 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Banswidth usage

  Torrents can consume up and down bandwidth with no limit, depending 
on how the client is set up.  Do you see that customer opening many many many 
UDP connections?

  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:

I have a customer that has used 19 GBytes down and 9 GBytes up in 
the last 18 hours.

What does a smart TV use?

What can they be doing?

NGL

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-20 Thread Jerry Richardson (airCloud)

+1 on MikroTik

A few evenings with the online tutorials and it will start to make perfect
sense.


On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
paolo.difrance...@level7.it> wrote:

> Mikrotik with:
>
> 1) Radius integration (PPPoE could help you)
> 2) scripting integration (no PPPoE just "fixed" per IP policies)
>
>
>
> > Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping.  We have some
> > older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an
> > appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP.
> >
> > Troy A. Slagle
> >
> > Information Technology Manager
> >
> > Mid-States Services, LLC.
> >
> > 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
> >
> > 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
> >
> > tsla...@grundyec.com <mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com>
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
> >
> > Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?
> >
> > For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett  > <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Mikrotik?
> >
> >
> >
> > -
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> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > 
> >
> > *From: *"Troy Slagle" mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com
> >>
> > *To: *wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM
> > *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
> >
> > I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody
> > have any recommendations?
> >
> > Troy A. Slagle
> >
> > Information Technology Manager
> >
> > Mid-States Services, LLC
> >
> > 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
> >
> > 660-359-3941  - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-19 Thread Paolo Di Francesco

Mikrotik with:

1) Radius integration (PPPoE could help you)
2) scripting integration (no PPPoE just "fixed" per IP policies)



> Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping.  We have some
> older equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an
> appliance to handle the bandwidth control per IP.
>
> Troy A. Slagle
>
> Information Technology Manager
>
> Mid-States Services, LLC.
>
> 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
>
> 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
>
> tsla...@grundyec.com <mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Clay Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
>
> Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?
>
> For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett  <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
> Mikrotik?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
>
> *From: *"Troy Slagle" mailto:tsla...@grundyec.com>>
> *To: *wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
>
> I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody
> have any recommendations?
>
> Troy A. Slagle
>
> Information Technology Manager
>
> Mid-States Services, LLC
>
> 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
>
> 660-359-3941  - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-17 Thread Justin Wilson

+1

Mikrotik is very powerful.   As an alternative you could try pfsense. But
Mikrotik would be my first choice.
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From:  Dennis Burgess 
Reply-To:  WISPA General List 
Date:  Wednesday, January 15, 2014 at 4:06 PM
To:  WISPA General List , 
Subject:  Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

> Mikrotik . simple ! J
>  
>  
> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second
> Edition <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm> ²
>  Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Clay Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:22 PM
> To: tsla...@grundyec.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
>  
> 
> Mikrotik then...
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Troy Slagle  wrote:
> 
> Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping.  We have some older
> equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle
> the bandwidth control per IP.
> 
>  
> Troy A. Slagle
> Information Technology Manager
> Mid-States Services, LLC.
> 
> 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
> 660-359-3941   - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
> 
> tsla...@grundyec.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
> Of Clay Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
> 
>  
> 
> Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?
> 
>  
> 
> For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
> 
> Mikrotik?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>  
> 
> 
> From: "Troy Slagle" 
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
> 
>  
> 
> I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have
> any recommendations?
>  
>  
>  
> Troy A. Slagle
> Information Technology Manager
> Mid-States Services, LLC
> 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
> 660-359-3941   - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-15 Thread Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik . simple ! J  

 

 

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Edition <http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm> ”  
   
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:22 PM
To: tsla...@grundyec.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

 

Mikrotik then...

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Troy Slagle  wrote:

Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping.  We have some older 
equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle 
the bandwidth control per IP.

 

Troy A. Slagle

Information Technology Manager

Mid-States Services, LLC.

4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683

660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48  

tsla...@grundyec.com

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

 

Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?

 

For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Mikrotik?



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From: "Troy Slagle" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

 

I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have 
any recommendations?

 

 

 

Troy A. Slagle

Information Technology Manager

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4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-15 Thread Clay Stewart

Mikrotik then...


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Troy Slagle  wrote:

> Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping.  We have some older
> equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to
> handle the bandwidth control per IP.
>
>
>
> Troy A. Slagle
>
> Information Technology Manager
>
> Mid-States Services, LLC.
>
> 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
>
> 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
>
> tsla...@grundyec.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Clay Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:10 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
>
>
>
> Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?
>
>
>
> For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
> Mikrotik?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Troy Slagle" 
> *To: *wireless@wispa.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM
> *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper
>
>
>
> I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody
> have any recommendations?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Troy A. Slagle
>
> Information Technology Manager
>
> Mid-States Services, LLC
>
> 4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683
>
> 660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48
>
> tsla...@grundyec.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-15 Thread Troy Slagle

Just speed limiting, not concerned about data capping.  We have some older 
equipment that we does not have CPE limiting so we need an appliance to handle 
the bandwidth control per IP.

 

Troy A. Slagle

Information Technology Manager

Mid-States Services, LLC.

4100 Oklahoma Ave., Trenton, MO 64683

660-359-3941 - 1-800-279-2249 x 48

tsla...@grundyec.com

 

 

 

 

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Of Clay Stewart
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Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?

 

For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.

 

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Mikrotik?



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Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

 

I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have 
any recommendations?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-15 Thread Clay Stewart

Shaper meaning speed limiting, not data amount limiting (Capping)?

For speed we use built-in UBNT CPE limiting with MT backup limiting.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Mikrotik?
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> I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody
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> Troy A. Slagle
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper

2014-01-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Mikrotik? 




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From: "Troy Slagle"  
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:53:40 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Shaper 



I am in the process of looking for a new Bandwidth Shaper, does anybody have 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2012-01-06 Thread Matt Jenkins

Cisco and Mikrotik via NetFlow data sent to a pair of redundant PMACCT 
collectors which store data on a set of redundant SQL servers. All 
writes are done on one SQL server and all reads are done from a slave. 
There is a second slave just for backup.

On 01/05/2012 08:30 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 13:51 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com
>> Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID
>> number instead.
>> http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210&curDate=1325107879
>> 
>>
>> I would be happy to share the code if you want it.
> Code sharing is nice, but I'm more interested in what gear you are
> gathering these stats from.
>

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2012-01-05 Thread Butch Evans

On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 13:51 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com
> Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID 
> number instead.
> http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210&curDate=1325107879
>  
> 
> 
> I would be happy to share the code if you want it.

Code sharing is nice, but I'm more interested in what gear you are
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2011-12-28 Thread Kevin Battersby


Thank-you for the offer to share code.

I'm having difficulty connecting to your site at http://usage.sbbnet.com. The 
name is not resolving.

On December 28, 2011, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com
> Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID
> number instead.
> http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210&curDate=13251
>07879
> 107879>
>
> I would be happy to share the code if you want it.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2011-12-28 Thread Matt Jenkins

I put together a very simple page: http://usage.sbbnet.com
Currently it takes an IP address but could easily take a customer ID 
number instead.
http://usage.sbbnet.com/customer.php?customer=173.195.182.210&curDate=1325107879

I would be happy to share the code if you want it.

On 12/28/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote:
> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any
> success stories?
>

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2011-12-28 Thread Kevin Battersby

Thanks. These software packages look like they have the potential to do what we 
need and I'll check them out.

On December 28, 2011, bret clark wrote:
> http://www.cacti.net/

On December 28, 2011, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> http://demo.oetiker.torrus.net/

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2011-12-28 Thread Kristian Hoffmann

Hi,

I've been eyeing torrus for a while, but I just ran across this demo 
integration with torrus, SIAM, and Extopus...

http://demo.oetiker.torrus.net/

SIAM is a perl library for abstracting service data in a way that it can 
be collected and aggregated from multiple monitoring systems (torrus, in 
this case).  Extopus is the front end that will take data from SIAM, and 
as a result, anything that you can integrate with SIAM.

If you're thinking custom, I'd say this is would be a good place to 
start.  If you could write a SIAM driver for pmacct, you may be well on 
your way.

Regards,

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> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any
> success stories?
>

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

2011-12-28 Thread bret clark

We use Cacti and give customers who request it individual login's to see 
only their utilization.
http://www.cacti.net/

On 12/28/2011 3:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote:
> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any
> success stories?
>




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth shaping and QOS

2011-11-02 Thread Jim Patient

Pat,

If you would like to login to a live running Mikrotik router just give
me a call.  You can login and I'll give you the "nickel tour".  This one
has about 300 subs on it.

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What is everybody using?  Looking to dump Net Enforcer for something
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300+ subs, mix of Cisco 1250 and UBNT AP's.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth shaping and QOS

2011-11-02 Thread Matt Jenkins

Even I finally went the Mikrotik route. Use the Tik to set max speeds. 
But I use the CPE to set sustained and burst amounts. This prevents 
bursting to the max speed of the AP. Gives us better control over the 
plans we provide. Add in a backend radius server for the Tik and CPE and 
you can automate almost everything.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-25 Thread Cameron Crum

lp when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
>> the customers.
>>
>> How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
>> the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
>> per tower.
>>
>> Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
>> questions I can.  509.988.0260
>>
>>  marlon
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Cameron Crum 
>> *To:* WISPA General List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
>>
>>  Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth
>> caps for years.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger wrote:
>>
>>> They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
>>> uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
>>> cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
>>> for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
>>> for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
>>> speed.
>>>
>>> Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
>>> caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
>>> of caps.
>>>
>>> Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
>>> > We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is
>>> scheduled
>>> > to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
>>> > video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
>>> > looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
>>> > model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model
>>> or
>>> > block pricing.
>>> >
>>> > Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
>>> > much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
>>> > anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
>>> > this, the simpler the better?
>>> >
>>> > Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
>>> > and automate billing of overages, etc?
>>> >
>>> > Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
>>> >
>>> > --Dan P.
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-25 Thread Mark Nash


Cameron...

That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help 
operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :)  I look 
forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next 
year or so...


As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB, 
they will look to Wispmon & other key players in this area more & more.


On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were 
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers. 
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is 
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon 
customers of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still 
stuck on the speed issue. They simply want what is offered to your 
customers. Whether is is BS or not I guess is up to the conscience of 
the reporter. Most of our Wispmon customers never thought of recording 
actual speeds until they started using our software and it was 
convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the work order system, 
it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to do with 
Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep better 
records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them realizing 
how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then that 
is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data 
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have 
made it as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a 
time doing business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but 
at least you had accurate records in pretty much one place. We get 
people with info spread across 5 different programs and can correlate 
none of them.


Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com>> wrote:


Thanks Cameron,
Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally
laughed at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all
of the time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you
buy it by the current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per
square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc.
etc. etc.
Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less
than a dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used. 
In my case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit

depending on my costs and how you run the numbers.
You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to
transfer during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't
deliver.  We use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth
hogs to mess up someone else's service and keep my system running
at peak capabilities, not beyond them.
Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts. 
That's enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except

movies and 24/7 internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to
10.  Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer
has available and send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a
little or a lot.  Usually a lot.
We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users
these days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money
in fiber anyway, then the customer wants to use $20 per month in
upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.
It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average
customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in
business.
We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't
have caps.  But those guys are going to go down in flames in the
next couple of years.  They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise
their rates.  Even higher prices isn't going to help when there
isn't enough spectrum available to service the customers.
How many movies can you support at once across the average AP? 
5?  10 at the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even

point is 10 subs per tower.
Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
questions I can.  509.988.0260
marlon

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Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He'

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-25 Thread Cameron Crum

I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Cameron,
>
> Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
> at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
>
> But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
> time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
> current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
> used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.
>
> Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
> dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
>
> We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
> case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
> and how you run the numbers.
>
> You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer
> during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit
> caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's
> service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.
>
> Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
> enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
> internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
>
> For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
> Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
> send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
> lot.
>
> We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
> days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
> then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
> net account.
>
> It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer
> can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.
>
> We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
> But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
> They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
> isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
> the customers.
>
> How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
> the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
> per tower.
>
> Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
> questions I can.  509.988.0260
>
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
>
> Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
> for years.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger wrote:
>
>> They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
>> uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
>> cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
>> for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
>> for

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)

Thanks Cameron,

Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed at.  
Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.

But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the time?  
You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the current used.  
Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons used.  Gas isn't in 
miles per hour etc. etc. etc.

Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a 
dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'

We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my case 
the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs and how 
you run the numbers.

You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer 
during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit 
caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's service 
and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.

Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's enough 
to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7 internet 
radio (my parents have this problem :-).

For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.  Netflix 
will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and send more 
data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a lot.

We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these days.  
But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway, then the 
customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00 net account.

It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer can 
do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.

We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.  But 
those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.  They 
will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices isn't 
going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service the 
customers.

How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at the 
most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs per tower.

Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any questions I 
can.  509.988.0260

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cameron Crum 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

  Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps 
for years.

  Cameron

  On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger  wrote:

They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
> We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
> to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
> video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
> looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
> block pricing.
>
> Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
> much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> this, the simpler the better?
>
> Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
> and automate billing of overages, etc?
>
> Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
>
> --Dan P.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

I wrote about this on my http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ blog -

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

There are some other articles about Usage Based Billing (UBB) there as 
well.   Read it and see if that helps.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 4/21/2011 10:30 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth 
caps for years.

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger > wrote:

They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan mailto:deathandta...@caglan.net>> wrote:
> We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is
scheduled
> to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme
but the
> video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.
 We are
> looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage
model or
> block pricing.
>
> Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth
caps too
> much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> this, the simpler the better?
>
> Also, what software or management platform are people using to
monitor
> and automate billing of overages, etc?
>
> Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
>
> --Dan P.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-21 Thread Cameron Crum

Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
for years.

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger  wrote:

> They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
> uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
> cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
> for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
> for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
> speed.
>
> Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
> caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
> of caps.
>
> Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.
>
> Jason
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
> > We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
> > to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
> > video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
> > looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> > model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
> > block pricing.
> >
> > Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
> > much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> > anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> > this, the simpler the better?
> >
> > Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
> > and automate billing of overages, etc?
> >
> > Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
> >
> > --Dan P.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-21 Thread Jason Novinger

They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
> We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
> to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
> video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
> looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
> block pricing.
>
> Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
> much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> this, the simpler the better?
>
> Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
> and automate billing of overages, etc?
>
> Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
>
> --Dan P.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-21 Thread Blair Davis



  
  
This discussion has been on the members list on and off for the last
few months...

On 4/21/2011 3:04 PM, Dan wrote:

  We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled 
to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the 
video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are 
looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right 
model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or 
block pricing.

Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too 
much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can 
anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to 
this, the simpler the better?

Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor 
and automate billing of overages, etc?

Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.

--Dan P.




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News

2011-03-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)

H.

Who would have thought this would ever happen?  roflol

Maybe those of us that set usage limits back in 2000?  whoo hooo  I am 
SOO good at this business!
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Caps in the News

2011-03-16 Thread Charles N Wyble

Is there an official statement from AT&T on the DSL bandwidth cap? I 
can't find one. I can just find the broadband reports blog post on it.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?

2011-03-15 Thread Rogelio

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Kevin R. Battersby  wrote:

> We use both fees as a deterrent. The worst cause for abuse is Bittorrent in 
> our
> case. It's always good fun to get the parents on the line and let them in on a
> few facts about copyright violations and usage charges.

Just curious...what would those facts be?

That getting in any real trouble with copyright is probably about as
likely as winning the lottery?

Kids see through these issues, and parents soon see through them,
especially when their kids start tunneling through to other
juridictions etc (at which point the "getting in trouble" part becomes
a non-issue).  At that point, they know that the issue is not the
issue, and that it's not copyright you care about, but rather
excessive bandwidth.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?

2011-02-16 Thread Kevin R. Battersby

On February 16, 2011, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Charge them for being late and charge them for the excessive usage (that is
> dollar per byte).

We use both fees as a deterrent. The worst cause for abuse is Bittorrent in our 
case. It's always good fun to get the parents on the line and let them in on a 
few facts about copyright violations and usage charges.

The back-haul providers bill still needs to get paid.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?

2011-02-16 Thread Sam Tetherow

Charge an overage fee if you have it set up, if you don't, let them know 
you are instituting one.  Either they are chatting with their son in 
1080p high def or something else is going on.

On 2/16/11 3:35 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
> What do you do with a client that uses 65gigs in 42 days ? To top it off they 
> are late payers and complain a little and always use the excuse they have to 
> talk to their son in Iraq early in the morning. We only allow 20 gigs for 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?

2011-02-16 Thread Josh Luthman

Charge them for being late and charge them for the excessive usage (that is
dollar per byte).

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Hog or Hippo ?

2011-02-16 Thread David E. Smith

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 15:35, Stuart Pierce  wrote:

> What do you do with a client that uses 65gigs in 42 days ? To top it off
> they are late payers and complain a little and always use the excuse they
> have to talk to their son in Iraq early in the morning. We only allow 20
> gigs for their plan anyhow.
>

If their contract says they get 20 GB of transfer in a billing cycle, and
they use more, you bill them. If they don't pay, you shut them off or sue
them. It's business, nothing more.

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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2011-01-01 Thread Ryan Spott

Exactly, a x-connect is ~$200-600 a month.  Once you get connected,
you can peer with as many providers as you want. Free or usually
negotiated rates.

ryan

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> My guess is the local loop is the big cost... not the actual bandwidth.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 1/1/2011 10:48 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
>> What amount of bandwidth are you using at this time? John is a pretty
>> reasonable guy. Renegotiate for lower rates at a higher commit.
>>
>> Or. Go to another colo and ask for 3 rack units and an X-Connect to
>> the SIX. When you have that Xconnect, your bandwidth costs should go
>> down pretty dramatically as there is no longer a loop charge.
>>
>> Pick a provider:
>> <http://www.seattleix.net/autogen/participants_5.html>  done. Cogent?
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM, MDK  wrote:
>>> I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as
>>> much as 10% a month.   Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to
>>> talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of
>>> collecting money.    They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to
>>> warrant anyone's time for any other matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Ryan Spott"
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
>>>
>>>> spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
>>>> http://www.seattleix.net/<- get on this! :)
>>>> http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ryan
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK  wrote:
>>>>> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
>>>>> have names / etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++
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>>>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>>>> ++
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2011-01-01 Thread Travis Johnson

My guess is the local loop is the big cost... not the actual bandwidth.

Travis
Microserv


On 1/1/2011 10:48 AM, Ryan Spott wrote:
> What amount of bandwidth are you using at this time? John is a pretty
> reasonable guy. Renegotiate for lower rates at a higher commit.
>
> Or. Go to another colo and ask for 3 rack units and an X-Connect to
> the SIX. When you have that Xconnect, your bandwidth costs should go
> down pretty dramatically as there is no longer a loop charge.
>
> Pick a provider:
> <http://www.seattleix.net/autogen/participants_5.html>  done. Cogent?
>
> ryan
>
> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as
>> much as 10% a month.   Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to
>> talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of
>> collecting money.They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to
>> warrant anyone's time for any other matters.
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> ----------
>> From: "Ryan Spott"
>> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
>>
>>> spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
>>> http://www.seattleix.net/<- get on this! :)
>>> http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK  wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
>>>> have names / etc?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2011-01-01 Thread Ryan Spott

What amount of bandwidth are you using at this time? John is a pretty
reasonable guy. Renegotiate for lower rates at a higher commit.

Or. Go to another colo and ask for 3 rack units and an X-Connect to
the SIX. When you have that Xconnect, your bandwidth costs should go
down pretty dramatically as there is no longer a loop charge.

Pick a provider:
<http://www.seattleix.net/autogen/participants_5.html> done. Cogent?

ryan

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM, MDK  wrote:
> I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as
> much as 10% a month.   Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to
> talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of
> collecting money.    They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to
> warrant anyone's time for any other matters.
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "Ryan Spott" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin
>
>> spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
>> http://www.seattleix.net/ <- get on this! :)
>> http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm
>>
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK  wrote:
>>> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
>>> have names / etc?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2011-01-01 Thread MDK

I'm using Spectrum now, and at 65/meg, it hurts, since my use is going up as 
much as 10% a month.   Not only that, I haven't been able to get anyone to 
talk to me or respond to emails in six months, except for matters of 
collecting money.They're all over that, but I'm too small, I guess, to 
warrant anyone's time for any other matters.



++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

--
From: "Ryan Spott" 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:57 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

> spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
> http://www.seattleix.net/ <- get on this! :)
> http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm
>
>
> ryan
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
>> have names / etc?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2010-12-31 Thread Courtney Smith



http://www.comcast.com/dedicatedinternet/default.html


> 
> On 12/30/2010 11:52 AM, MDK wrote:
>> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  
>> Anyone have names / etc?
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2010-12-30 Thread Mike Hammett


http://www.westinbuilding.com/telecom/tenants.cfm

https://www.peeringdb.com/private/facility_view.php?id=71

Those aren't even complete.  For example, Cogent is in the building, but 
not on either of those lists.  You'll just have to ask the carriers if 
they're there.


I think what suite you're in will be important as well.

-
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On 12/30/2010 11:52 AM, MDK wrote:
I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  
Anyone have names / etc?

Thanks
Mark
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2010-12-30 Thread Jeromie Reeves

What he said, Plus what I told you a few weeks ago. Decent pricing on
that 100mbit port, transport sucks but can use who can be found. Did
you find someone? Gimmie a call.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ryan Spott  wrote:
> spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
> http://www.seattleix.net/ <- get on this! :)
> http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm
>
>
> ryan
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
>> have names / etc?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
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Re: [WISPA] bandwidth provider at Westin

2010-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott

spectrumnet.us (aka condointernet)
http://www.seattleix.net/ <- get on this! :)
http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm


ryan

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, MDK  wrote:
> I'm looking for wholesale bandwidth providers located in Westin..  Anyone
> have names / etc?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ++
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> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-03 Thread Chris Gotstein

We have the same issue with ATT/Qwest.  Getting a DS-3 right now using
AT&T as the loop, delivered via fiber.  They put a Fujitsu box in our
office, which i know they can just pop in an ethernet card and offer us
a direct ethernet hookup, but they say it's not available in our area.
I've talked to the local AT&T engineer about this and she says that it's
all technically possible and the equipment is there, just a matter of
getting the sales department to come up with pricing in our area and
make the service available.  Been going through this for 2 years now,
with no hope in site of getting a direct ethernet feed from them.

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On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote:
>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>> do any BGP peering?
> 
> We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
> Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
> cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
> price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
> from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
> ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
> get back to us in a week or so.
> 
> Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
> called OptiMan something if we have fiber?
> 
> Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Matt

>    One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order
> bonded T1s.  Most likely the local plant will run out of copper.  Amazing
> how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you.  Seen this happen
> several times.

Just got another full OC3 quote for one of these locations.

20K$ monthly plus change.  The port part of this was only like 5.6K$
monthly and the rest was loop.

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson

One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order
bonded T1s.  Most likely the local plant will run out of copper.  Amazing
how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you.  Seen this happen
several times.

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From: Mike Mattox 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:13:32 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

This doesn't seem to work well.  I am served by AT&T fiber from a manhole 2
feet from by building.  The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they
just made a new pull this spring.  I entered my address, got back:
This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the AT&T
incumbent local exchange companies.
 
Then I put in the address of the AT&T central office, got the same results.
Do they have anybody actually running this company?
 
 
>  
> - Original Message -
>  
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>  
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers;  OptiMan
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> Of particular interest is
> http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Mattox

This doesn't seem to work well.  I am served by AT&T fiber from a manhole 2 
feet from by building.  The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just 
made a new pull this spring.  I entered my address, got back:
This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the AT&T 
incumbent local exchange companies.

Then I put in the address of the AT&T central office, got the same results.  Do 
they have anybody actually running this company?


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  Of particular interest is 
http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson

Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so
I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you.  We always start
making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing.

Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with.  They will do BGP feeds and
the like.  Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your
area?  They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in
Indiana.

Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of.
If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until
you can get another physical connection.  This would allow you to become
multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space.  I am sure this would
keep you busy re-numbering.  Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity
would open up.

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From: Eric Rogers 
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
do any BGP peering?

What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
under contract...

When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread jp

On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:52:38AM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so
> I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you.  We always start
> making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing.

This is because it can take 6 months to put in facilities, so 8 months 
is reasonable planning. You should keep this schedule in mind too when 
shopping for a potential replacement. If you think you are going to be 
switching, you could have AT&T and perhaps Comcast or someone while 
doing the ARIN/BGP setup, then drop AT&T after setting up BGP. It would 
satisfy the application requirements and the renumbering would make it 
easier for you to drop AT&T.

Talk to your sales guy toward the end of the month when he's probably 
trying to get some extra business. The obviously don't want to trade a 
current connection for something cheaper, but perhaps if you mentioned 
you want more bandwidth for the same money, or triple the bandwidth for 
a little bit more money, the idea of them getting the same or more money 
is appealing. 

With AT&T there is also likely a period for you to cancel the contract. 
Like they need 60-90 days notice or it self renews or other stupid 
things. Be aware of that. 

> Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with.  They will do BGP feeds and
> the like.  Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your
> area?  They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in
> Indiana.
> 
> Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of.
> If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until
> you can get another physical connection.  This would allow you to become
> multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space.  I am sure this would
> keep you busy re-numbering.  Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity
> would open up.
> 
> Justin
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> 
> From: Eric Rogers 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
> 
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?
> 
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> under contract...
> 
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
> 
> Eric Rogers
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread David Sovereen

Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast?  Comcast in
our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to
competitors

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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>    Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so
> I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you.  We always start
> making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing.
>
> Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with.  They will do BGP feeds and
> the like.  Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your
> area?  They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in
> Indiana.
>
> Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of.
>   If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until
> you can get another physical connection.  This would allow you to become
> multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space.  I am sure this would
> keep you busy re-numbering.  Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity
> would open up.
>
> Justin
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> 
> From: Eric Rogers 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
>
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Jon Auer

There are AT&T sales reps that aren't lazy?
Where?
I'll take contact info :-)

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>    Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the
> contract nears its end.   They should have said let’s talk in a couple of
> months or something.  Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy.   If they were
> new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to
> extend the contract.  I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18
> months into the contract.   Just means the contract was extended.  Happens a
> lot.
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> 
> From: Travis Johnson 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
>
>  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
> of the contract? How does that make sense?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>> do any BGP peering?
>>
>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
>> under contract...
>>
>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>>
>> Eric Rogers
>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>> (317) 831-3000 x200
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Kristian Hoffmann


On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:04 -0500, Matt wrote:

> We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
> Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
> cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
> price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
> from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
> ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
> get back to us in a week or so.
> 
> Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
> called OptiMan something if we have fiber?

It's Opt E MAN...

https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89

We were in the same situation (AT&T fiber with a DS3 for ~10 years), but
they did let us upgrade from our DS3 to Opt E MAN without pulling any
new fiber.  Maybe they don't have that capability in your CO?

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson

https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89

The CO has to support it.  It is a form of metro Ethernet.
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From: Matt 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:04:33 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?

We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
get back to us in a week or so.

Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
called OptiMan something if we have fiber?

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Charles N Wyble



Check out https://primeaccess.att.com/

Of particular interest is 
http://www.corp.att.com/wholesale/find_fiber/find_fiber.html


On 09/02/2010 09:04 AM, Matt wrote:

I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
do any BGP peering?
 
   





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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Who is the local power company in your area ?

(Pretty much all power companies have a side division which deploys and 
operates a fiber network.)

Most of them provide services "carrier to carrier" as such don't 
advertise too much... The power companies have right of way and as such 
can bring fiber service to anywhere...

(these days the alternate Cell Carriers are big clients of the 
Power/Fiber companies... since the local ILECS, pretty much refuse to 
provide them with reasonable cost, high capacity circuits).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/2/2010 12:04 PM, Matt wrote:
>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>> do any BGP peering?
>
> We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
> Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
> cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
> price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
> from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
> ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
> get back to us in a week or so.
>
> Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
> called OptiMan something if we have fiber?
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett

  The CO may not have the right gear.

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On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote:
>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>> do any BGP peering?
> We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
> Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
> cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
> price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
> from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
> ~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
> get back to us in a week or so.
>
> Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
> called OptiMan something if we have fiber?
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Matt

> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?

We currently have AT&T fiber at both our headends used to deliver the
Qwest DS'3.  We are in old SBC territory.  AT&T has stated in past we
cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop
price is a killer on these.  Just talked to our previous ACC/AT&T rep
from back when we only had T1's.  He thought we should be able to get
~FastE if we have fiber and he is going to do some deep digging and
get back to us in a week or so.

Anyone have any inside knowledge why we cannot get FastE or what is it
called OptiMan something if we have fiber?

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett


 Then you aren't talking to the right people, or they changed their policy.

http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/index.aspx

Maria Azada

Comcast- Enterprise Business Services

Direct: 847-585-0409

Cell: 773-447-8487

Azada, Maria [maria_az...@cable.comcast.com]

I haven't spoken with her in quite some time, however.

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On 9/2/2010 10:05 AM, David Sovereen wrote:

Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast?  Comcast in
our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to
competitors

Dave
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so
I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you.  We always start
making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing.

 Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with.  They will do BGP feeds and
the like.  Have you contacted Zayo to see if they are doing anything in your
area?  They have some stimulus money and have some projects on the books in
Indiana.

 Another thing to consider is where your AT&T circuit is homed out of.
   If it is at a carrier hotel you could simply use them for transport until
you can get another physical connection.  This would allow you to become
multi-homed and get your AS# and work toward IP space.  I am sure this would
keep you busy re-numbering.  Maybe in the meantime a circuit opportunity
would open up.

 Justin
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From: Eric Rogers
Reply-To: WISPA General List
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:41:50 -0400
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
do any BGP peering?

What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
under contract...

When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?

Eric Rogers
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
(317) 831-3000 x200




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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson

Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the
contract nears its end.   They should have said let¹s talk in a couple of
months or something.  Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy.   If they were
new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to
extend the contract.  I have seen 3 years contracts be re-negotiated 18
months into the contract.   Just means the contract was extended.  Happens a
lot.
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From: Travis Johnson 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:07:50 -0600
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
of the contract? How does that make sense?

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Rogers

And when I say re-negotiate, I mean sign a new contract at the other
rate.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

No no no no What I am saying is that I am willing to "re-up" the
contract (as I have done for the last 6 years) and get current services
that they are selling to others.  I am fully capable/willing to finish
my contract with them.  What bothers me is that to "Upgrade" to more
speed, they are selling it to me at nearly double the price as what they
are selling it to anyone off the street.  Wouldn't you want to reward
current customers for being loyal?

It is forcing us to look elsewhere for the upgraded speed, which we
should be doing anyway.  Just the principal that they won't re-negotiate
the contract to what they are selling to others.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
of the contract? How does that make sense?

Travis
Microserv

On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently 
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of 
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY 
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to

> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up 
> with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less 
> than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and

> they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because

> I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for

> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new 
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am 
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Rogers

No no no no What I am saying is that I am willing to "re-up" the
contract (as I have done for the last 6 years) and get current services
that they are selling to others.  I am fully capable/willing to finish
my contract with them.  What bothers me is that to "Upgrade" to more
speed, they are selling it to me at nearly double the price as what they
are selling it to anyone off the street.  Wouldn't you want to reward
current customers for being loyal?

It is forcing us to look elsewhere for the upgraded speed, which we
should be doing anyway.  Just the principal that they won't re-negotiate
the contract to what they are selling to others.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
of the contract? How does that make sense?

Travis
Microserv

On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently 
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of 
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY 
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to

> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up 
> with AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less 
> than what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and

> they stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because

> I am under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for

> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new 
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am 
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson

  You can almost always get the "new" pricing, if you want to sign a new 
contract for the same as your existing one. I have done that at least 20 
times with Qwest on PRI and T1 lines for customers.

The original poster just said "they won't give me the new pricing". 
Sometimes you have to work at it, but as you said, most of the time they 
are willing to do it if the new contract total value is more than the 
existing contract value.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 6:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the
> ethical thing to do is honor it.
> BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to
> change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow
> that.
> There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a
> contract term or renegotiate it.
>
> A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business.
> A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high
> rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a
> lower rate for the rest of enternity.
> Its called "customer retention".  When the market changes sometime contracts
> need to adapt with the new market conditions.
> One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes
> taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the
> custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time.
>
> I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a
> mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a
> contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with
> you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower
> prices, for mutual benefit.
>
> Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract
> terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but
> it doesn't mean that they wont.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
>
>
>>   So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
>> of the contract? How does that make sense?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>>> do any BGP peering?
>>>
>>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
>>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
>>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
>>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
>>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
>>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
>>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
>>> under contract...
>>>
>>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>>>
>>> Eric Rogers
>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>> (317) 831-3000 x200
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-01 Thread Bret Clark

I agree...the economy sucks, use it to your advantage. Tell your vendor 
you're having a hard time paying the current rate and that you need to 
get the price lowered or you may have to look at closing your doors. 
You'll be amazed at how many will change their tune regarding contract 
terms.

Another thing to try is that if you can get a lower price you'll reup on 
the contract for another 3 years...or whatever your current contract 
period was.

Bret

On 09/01/2010 08:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the
> ethical thing to do is honor it.
> BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to
> change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow
> that.
> There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a
> contract term or renegotiate it.
>
> A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business.
> A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high
> rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a
> lower rate for the rest of enternity.
> Its called "customer retention".  When the market changes sometime contracts
> need to adapt with the new market conditions.
> One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes
> taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the
> custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time.
>
> I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a
> mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a
> contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with
> you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower
> prices, for mutual benefit.
>
> Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract
> terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but
> it doesn't mean that they wont.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers
>
>
>
>>   So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
>> of the contract? How does that make sense?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>>  
>>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>>> do any BGP peering?
>>>
>>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
>>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
>>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
>>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
>>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
>>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
>>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
>>> under contract...
>>>
>>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>>>
>>> Eric Rogers
>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>> (317) 831-3000 x200
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-01 Thread Tom DeReggi

Not so fast... Sure, if the other party wont let you out of a contract, the 
ethical thing to do is honor it.
BUT... its not unethical for the two parties involved to mutually agree to 
change an agreement for mutual benefit. Most contracts specifically allow 
that.
There are many reasons a party might want to let the other party out of a 
contract term or renegotiate it.

A vendor does not benefit if a Buyer goes out of business.
A Vendor does not benefit if a Buyer is locked in for another year at a high 
rate, if that rate forces the buyer to signup with another provider at a 
lower rate for the rest of enternity.
Its called "customer retention".  When the market changes sometime contracts 
need to adapt with the new market conditions.
One must also ask what it might cost to inforce a contract, and sometimes 
taht is more than the revenue that would be discounted by keeping the 
custoemr happy and retained long term and paying on time.

I'm not going to mention any names, but at ISPCON, someone I considered a 
mentor spoke at a session, and what he learned was So what if there is a 
contract... Hold out, and convince your vendors why they should work with 
you on price. While under contract, he was able to get most vendors to lower 
prices, for mutual benefit.

Admittedly, ATT is not like a company that would easily budge on contract 
terms, expecially in an underserved area where they are a near monopoly, but 
it doesn't mean that they wont.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

>  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end
> of the contract? How does that make sense?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
>> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
>> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
>> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
>> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
>> do any BGP peering?
>>
>> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
>> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
>> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
>> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
>> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
>> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
>> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
>> under contract...
>>
>> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>>
>> Eric Rogers
>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>> (317) 831-3000 x200
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson

  So what you are saying is that YOU shouldn't have to uphold YOUR end 
of the contract? How does that make sense?

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 1:41 PM, Eric Rogers wrote:
> I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently
> have AT&T Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of
> becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY
> other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to
> do any BGP peering?
>
> What really rocked my boat was that I am seeing new ISPs signing up with
> AT&T Opt-E-Man with 100 MB circuits for $2600/mo.  That is less than
> what I am paying for my 50 MB circuit.  I called my sales rep and they
> stated that I could get a 100 MB circuit for $4200/mo and because I am
> under contract for another year, there is nothing they can do for
> price...so pretty much they are saying to me that they want new
> customers, and anyone under contract they can gouge as long as I am
> under contract...
>
> When can we get rid of these monopolies?!?!?
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
>
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