Yikes! No fun.
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From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
I'll put it this way, at one telco I know, a disgruntled accountant called
the State
in front of that revenue stream.
Do you consult on such things?
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Hold your horses there Marlon
Nope, but I know plenty of consultants.
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Splitting hairs Chuck.
If it's government mandated
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Nope, but I know plenty of consultants.
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October
List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
right in the head...
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
It is a cost recovery mechanism. I got audited by USAC this
year to prove
that the USF we receive is to cover
In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is rampant
from what I see.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
is being used
to give my competitor a government backed competitive advantage. A huge one
at that.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
:-).
Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry. I
can't
fault him (too much) for that. I wish I were in a similar situation.
My
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
:-).
Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry. I
can't
fault him (too much
. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is rampant
from what I see.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Chuck
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
:-).
Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry. I
can't
fault
The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not shown any
telephone company to be misusing this money.
And I want to repeat, this
Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
goods and
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays
for USF???
No, it is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes from
telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
companies.
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
right in the head...
Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
It is a cost recovery mechanism. I got audited
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The current USF audits by USAC
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From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is
rampant
from what I see.
marlon
.
Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program.
That is not a tax.
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From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Tacking a fee on my
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From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Chuck, so your definition of a tax is if you are forced to pay?
Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public
.
- Original Message -
From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
I'll stand up for Marlon here: He is a veteran WISP'er and I have
never seen him post babble let alone
Chuck,
Moving off the debate topic a little, I do have an honest question (not
baiting, I promise) I was wondering if you could shed some light on.
Maybe the answer is much longer than can be explained on the list.
How is USF contribution calculated? If I recall, it changes from time
to
09, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Chuck, so your definition of a tax is if you are forced to pay?
Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public
utility by tax dollars that we all were forced to pay. IMO, that means
that we should be able use it without
- Original Message -
From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on so far,
I suspect you don't have a clue about the situation
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
I'll stand up for Marlon here: He is a veteran WISP'er and I have
never seen him post babble let alone mindless. I worked for a
phone company - it is a racket. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Chuck McCown wrote:
It is like sausage.
...
It is private enterprise socialism administered by the federal govt.
As opposed to what the market will bear decisions we evil capitalists
prefer ;)
Randy
WISPA Wants
telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
companies.
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Just because
: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
districts (the principle is the brother
List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquiries Acts several years ago.
The telco and ISP functions had to be seperate entities and their could be
no cross subsidization. Somewhere
.
- Original Message -
From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Chuck, so your definition of a tax is if you are forced to pay?
Keeping in mind that the phone system
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From: jp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of
ATT Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded
PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of
ATT Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for
federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility near
here to that facility.
--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
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From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:12 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Lyons was one of the power feed stations. Very cool
place. It is now in private ownership - a telephone
collector owns it.
Don't
The problem is... We dont get a piece of the action.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject:
It is a cost recovery mechanism. I got audited by USAC this year to prove
that the USF we receive is to cover the costs of providing the service. But
think how expensive it is to run a hundred miles of fiber and put in a class
5 switch to serve 30 or 50 customers.
You are right, I do love
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