Re: [WSG] The Tables Revenge

2004-07-06 Thread Roger Johansson
On 5 jul 2004, at 22.43, ckimedia wrote: I've read this, and found it useful but isn't it retrograde making div's into table cells so we can style non tabular data in a table ? http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ equal_height_boxes_with_css_part_ii/ I made that example to show that

[WSG] OZEWAI 2004 (Australian Web Accessibility Initiative)

2004-07-06 Thread Geoff Deering
Hi, I'd just like to plug OZEWAI 2004 (http://www.ozewai.org/2004/). It would be great if people from the Web Standards Group could bring their experience and expertise to this conference. It's an annual event. Geoff * The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Linking Background Images

2004-07-06 Thread Craig Stump
You're in luck - ALA did an article in Accessible Image maps recently http://www.alistapart.com/articles/imagemap/ On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:49:30 -0600, Shane Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks good. Is there a way to specify more links with one image? What I mean is, can you make a

Re: [WSG] OZEWAI 2004 (Australian Web Accessibility Initiative)

2004-07-06 Thread Neerav
Note that its running : 1, 2 and 3 December 2004 at La Trobe University, Bundoora, Victoria. So I guess most attendees will be Victorians. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Geoff Deering

[WSG] FW: What do you consider to be the minimum Accessibility level to cover legal requirements?

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Foskett
Hi all, I'm about to rewrite the technical standards for the acceptance of external, and independent, web resources. At present they are only guidelines and they suggest: . Compliance to WAI priority one (plus a little). . W3C validated coding with allowable exceptions. E.g.

[WSG] Save me from a table (css overflow / container div problem I think)

2004-07-06 Thread Christiaan Knol
Hi, I have almost completed an e-commerce site using XHTML/CSS and have one last little niggle after testing on Windows IE 6. I have spent half the day googling, applying different floats, overflows, divs and clearing divs but I can't get anything to work so here's your chance to save me from

Re: [WSG] OZEWAI 2004 (Australian Web Accessibility Initiative)

2004-07-06 Thread Andy Budd
Geoff Deering wrote: I'd just like to plug OZEWAI 2004 (http://www.ozewai.org/2004/). It would be great if people from the Web Standards Group could bring their experience and expertise to this conference. It's an annual event. I think one big problem people associate with accessibility is

Re: [WSG] Save me from a table (css overflow / container div problem I think)

2004-07-06 Thread Christiaan Knol
AH... You my friend are a star! I tried every other combination I think, but not after the form element - I was concentrating on the image and creating more divs and floats separately for the image and text... If I was still in the UK I'd shout you a pint! Thanks again... Christiaan On

Re: [WSG] FW: What do you consider to be the minimum Accessibility level to cover legal requirements?

2004-07-06 Thread Andy Budd
Mike Foskett wrote: I'm about to rewrite the technical standards for the acceptance of external, and independent, web resources. At present they are only guidelines and they suggest: . Compliance to WAI priority one (plus a little). . W3C validated coding with allowable exceptions. E.g. Flash /

RE: [WSG] FW: What do you consider to be the minimum Accessibility level to cover legal requirements?

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Foskett
Thanks for the response Andy. Great quiz by the way. Made me think and laugh. You are suggesting the guidelines as they stand now with cases of must replacing should. The problem is they're set too high. If applied strictly then even the DRC's website would fail. Here's an extended scenario:

[WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Neerav
I havent tried this, but it sounds interesting http://www.phoenity.com/newtedge/hide_email_spambots/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
thats actually very good :) Thanks :) ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Hiding email

[WSG] Sliding Doors not working in Opera

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Here's the situation: Sliding doors, right justified. Works fine in Firefox and IE/Win 5.01+. In Opera 7.23 all the tabs line up vertically. According to the ALA article IE/Mac does something similar. The solution there is to float the anchors, but it doesn't help here. The only thing which

[WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Michael Kear
Ive lost a reference to another excellent article I read about how to guarantee that two or three columns will go all the way to the bottom of the page, regardless of the length of any of the columns. Can anyone help? The article Im looking for shows how to have columns styled all the

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Sven Jacobs
Michael Kear wrote: Ive lost a reference to another excellent article I read about how to guarantee that two or three columns will go all the way to the bottom of the page, regardless of the length of any of the columns.Can anyone help? You can do this by cheating a bit with the background,

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mar, 06-07-2004 a las 15:45, Michael Kear escribió: I've lost a reference to another excellent article I read about how to guarantee that two or three columns will go all the way to the bottom of the page, regardless of the length of any of the columns.Can anyone help? Could it be the

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Michael Kear wrote: Ive lost a reference to another excellent article I read about how to guarantee that two or three columns will go all the way to the bottom of the page, regardless of the length of any of the columns. Can anyone help? Was it

RE: [WSG] FW: What do you consider to be the minimum Accessibility level to cover legal requirements?

2004-07-06 Thread Geoff Deering
-Original Message- From: Mike Foskett Hi all, I'm about to rewrite the technical standards for the acceptance of external, and independent, web resources. At present they are only guidelines and they suggest: . Compliance to WAI priority one (plus a little). . W3C

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: I havent tried this, but it sounds interesting http://www.phoenity.com/newtedge/hide_email_spambots/ Two problems: doesn't allow mailto:; and doesn't work in IE. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread dan
Also, on Firebird you can't copy and paste the email address which is a bit annoying. Also, it would be a bit annoying to deploy on site where the email address links are generated dynamically, you'd need to generate a bit of CSS as well as the link. All in all, I wouldn't use that method.

Re: [WSG] The Tables Revenge

2004-07-06 Thread ckimedia
Hi, Thanks, it is truly enlightening hearing from the author. So this is not an example of how to convert div's to cells but just vertical alignment without the need for images, so semantically all is good with this technique? C On Tuesday, July 6, 2004, at 12:08 AM, Roger Johansson wrote:

RE: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Ted Drake
I use the following javascript. It works well for me. script language=JavaScript!-- var name = insert username; var domain = insert domain name; document.write('a href=\mailto:' + name + '@' + domain + '\'); document.write(name + '@'

RE: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Michael Kear
No it wasn't that one Mordechai, but it's a terrific article. That's a fantastic resource. And it can build your styles automatically too!! Thanks for finding it. I never fail to be astonished at the worthwhile and downright practical ideas coming from this list, day after day. Thanks

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
- Original Message - From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the following javascript. It works well for me. Ted - the downside beign they dont use a JS enabled browser? They cant contact you. Better is a PHP Contact Form John Wyles has one - a very good one indeed.

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Trusz, Andrew
On the H1 issue, there are many people that think using an H1 around the logo or hidden text. Unfortunately, that is improper. Your H1 should be visible and should support the title of the page. Yes it does... but I'm also quite confused. I thought the way I set up the page

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
How's about: pso-and-soscriptdocument.write(@anywhere.com)/scriptnoscript@anywhere.com/noscript/p At least you're covered whether or not JavaScript is enabled. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Lee Roberts
Let's discuss some issues for a moment and perhaps some light will shine upon some comments. Drew [qoute]The vague discussion of some people not approving of skipped levels does not say that a hierarchy of headings is required.[/quote] The vague discussion of some people refers to the

Re: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi Drew, Thank you for your very detailed explanation. It was actually just what I needed because I'm almost running over with reading specs from W3 and numorus other sources. (It's now saved in my useful folder on my backup drive) Anyway your last paragraph did it for me because that just

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Pepper
Didn't want to get sucked into this issue but thought ... bugger :o) Headings go from h1 ~ 6 with no gaps; neither should they run anything other than h1 down to h6, meaning h1, h3, h2 is not permissible ordering. Headings assist with scanning whether or not using AT or dealing with impaired as

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Trusz, Andrew
Let's discuss some issues for a moment and perhaps some light will shine upon some comments. Drew [qoute]The vague discussion of some people not approving of skipped levels does not say that a hierarchy of headings is required.[/quote] The vague discussion of some people refers to the

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Trusz, Andrew
You're most welcome. Good luck with it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Kruse Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG]headers Hi Drew, Thank you for your very detailed explanation. It was actually

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 06 Jul 2004 17:16:02 +0200, Manuel González Noriega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a blog? Blogmarks. That way i can keep track of interesting links while sharing them with the world. Other people will suggest surely a service like http://del.icio.us/ or plain old bookmarks :) I

RE: [WSG] mcafee site built with css

2004-07-06 Thread Steve Ganz
Hey Friends, Thought I'd pop in and thank Tim for noticing the redesign. Iza, I am definitely aware of the text-size issues and am working diligently to get them resolved ASAP. I would love to include a style-sheet switcher but have been unable to get the go ahead for that and the designers

RE: [WSG]headers

2004-07-06 Thread Lee Roberts
There are more than W3C standards. While the W3C standards are great, they leave too much to interpretation. Hence the problem that arises here. Lee [quote]However, once you start approaching any attempt to comply with WCAG you need to follow the standards correctly.[/quote] Drew

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Adam Carmichael
Neerav wrote: I havent tried this, but it sounds interesting http://www.phoenity.com/newtedge/hide_email_spambots/ Nice concept -- but -- all it takes is for a spammer to start harvesting based on the \40 string and stream substitute it for the @ into their DB. Given the incompatibility with

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Kay I have a wiki on my site, so that I can categorize and annotate my bookmarks. It's become a huge organic sprawling beast in less than a year, but *so* useful. The resources section of the WSG site is meant to be just this type of beast (http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/) except

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mark Stanton
HI All My thoughts on this issue are here: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg05509.html If doesn't really matter what obfuscation method you use: - If its visible to users spam harvestors can get it if they really want to. - The more you hide it (via js, css or what ever else)

Re: [WSG] Footer

2004-07-06 Thread Ern Marshall
Frstly thanks to everyone that answered How about this for a crazy thought reguards getting a footer connected to a external style sheet, If I made a small image map ...called it a background image and placed it at bottom centre. Is there any reason why that could/would not work? Ern Marshall

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kay Smoljak wrote: On an almost completely unrelated and off-topic topic, I find it interesting that the word Favourites has never become as popular as Bookmarks, even amongst casual non-technical users, despite the fact that IE has like 110% market share. I guess it's because you can't use

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Stanton wrote: - If its visible to users spam harvestors can get it if they really want to. Of course. The point is just to make it more difficult. A car alarm doesn't stop car theft, but with all else equal, the thief will choose one without an alarm.

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mark Stanton
Of course. The point is just to make it more difficult. A car alarm doesn't stop car theft, but with all else equal, the thief will choose one without an alarm. That's fine true but by making it difficult for spam bots you also make it difficult for your users. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty