RE: [WSG] Question to the others ...

G'day Firstly, what kind of measurement is ex? http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#length-units Relative units are: em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font ex: the 'x-height' of the relevant font px: pixels, relative to the viewing device I tend to use a

RE: [WSG] Another body tag question ...

G'day body{font:84%/1.2em arial,sans-serif;direction:ltr} What's the point of setting the body font at 84% of 1.2em? (which is what I assume is what's happening). Your assumption is incorrect. The 1.2em refers to line height. See http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#font-shorthand

RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

Ok well compare that with this one: Median Windows Settings 96DPI (normal fonts) IE7.1 set to Medium How does one get IE 7.1? Oh DER!!! I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2. It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1. Whoops. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP

[WSG] Sticky Drop Downs

Hello, I was wondering if someone could inform me or point me to a resource on how to make a navigation dropdown/popout menu 'sticky' as a user progress deeper. (Parent menu items stay in hover state). The particular menu that I am working on is here: http://www.paulfarrell.com.au/dev/index.php

Re: [WSG] Sticky Drop Downs

Paul What you need is http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Paul Farrell wrote: Hello,

Re: [WSG] Question to the others ...

em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font Not totally. An em is the width of (no shit!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. -- Cheers, Rob. » http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for

Re[2]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:02:43 AM, Rob wrote: em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font Not totally. An em is the width of (no shit!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. Totally. The font size is set in em units. The unit is defined as the width of an 'm' glyph. --

Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, so I wanted to make clear that all units have a meaning. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:14:21 +, Iain Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:02:43 AM, Rob wrote: em: the 'font-size' of the relevant font Not

Re[3]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:14:21 AM, I wrote: Not totally. An em is the width of (no s--t!) an 'M' glyph. But the rest is allright for me. Totally. The font size is set in em units. The unit is defined as the width of an 'm' glyph. Since quoting Bob's message, I've had two bounce

Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:22:18 AM, Rob wrote: I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, I agree. Defining a font size in terms of a unit that is based on a font size seems pretty stupid to me too, but that's how it is. There are lots of stupidities around. Here in the UK, we use

Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 11:40:17 AM, Iain wrote: Fourthly, There was a third, but I decided it was rubbish. Sorry, folks. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

I find the description of font-size a bit dodgy, I agree. Defining a font size in terms of a unit that is based on a font size seems pretty stupid to me too, but that's how it is. There are lots of stupidities around. Well, in the print business, it's much more strict, which I prefer.

RE: Re[3]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

This is relevant in several respects: Firstly, we have to realise that there are some brain-dead mail filtering systems out there, and have to be careful about the words we use or quote in emails. I don't agree, I can be blue to people I know in person but profanity (including that mild but

Re: Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Did some really small superficial test to see which older browsers support underscores in class names: - IE 4 no - IE 5, 5.5 yes - Netscape 4.77 yes (surprisingly) - Netscape 6 no - Netscape 7 yes (obviously this list is far from complete) While I was at it, also

Re[5]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 12:11:52 PM, Peter wrote: And fifthly, be careful when inventing class names that they won't be a rude word in any possible language in the world! Why would you use anything like that? Why take the chance of embarrassing anyone? Now you are being silly. It's

Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

Michael Kear wrote: How does one get IE 7.1? Oh DER!!! I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2. It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1. Whoops. Netscape's been up to 7.2 since August. 7.1 has security bugs. -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of

Re: [WSG] Sticky Drop Downs

On Sun, Nov 14, 2004 at 07:24:05PM +1100, Neerav wrote: Paul What you need is http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ just a heads-up; this menu doesn't work in (some versions?) of konqueror, and as far as I can tell, shouldn't work at all according to the standards - I managed

Re: Re[4]: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Hi folks, My first post, since I've worked in print longer than web. In print, an em (and en) are mostly used to describe dashes (of the width of M and N) in a font. So they are appropriate to the task when used for that. They have been slightly redefined for the web (since an en is not always

[WSG] pt, em and ex

Greetings, As Marilyn notes, CSS has inherited a technical vocabulary from another technology - typography. In that world... - The point (pt) size tells the printer how big is the distance from the top of the ascender to the bottom of the descender for that font. - An em is equal to the height

RE: [WSG] Another body tag question ... [Use of dir]

FWIW, I consider this likely to be an incorrect usage of dir. The default is ltr, so it is hard to imagine a need for it on the body tag, though it's not incorrect to specify. However, direction should normally be specified for the html tag rather than body (it's inherited). And if it is

Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Mary Krieger wrote: - The point (pt) size tells the printer how big is the distance from the top of the ascender to the bottom of the descender for that font. - An em is equal to the height of the font being used ( or in other words the point size). It is used to set the widths and height of

Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 6:01:52 PM, Mordechai wrote: While pt's are fine for the print media type, when using the screen (by far the most commonly used media with CSS) pixels (px) essentially replace points. When you use points, the system has a chance to compensate for the screen

[WSG] What you think? And will it work

http://xhtmlandcss.co.uk/index.php?p=4 Well all weekend ive finally been getting this site sorted after about 3months of saying I would. Basically im going to offer templates, menus and such that I either didn't use for clients work or test ones. Id also like some advice on the copyright side

Re: [WSG] What you think? And will it work

Creative _Commons_ is the best you can do. Another thing you might want to add is a link or even generator meta to WordPress. It's published under the same CC you're referring to. On the concept: well, someone had to do it. On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:44:13 -, Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Iain Harrison wrote: It's best to have the base set in ems (for IE compatibility reasons) and use relative sizes thereafter. In my experience IE doesn't resize ems consistently. I've come to use % for the base (on the html), then em (on the body) Patrick H. Lauke

RE: [WSG] What you think? And will it work

Yeah, I shall be placing a powered by wordpress bit, just not got round to that bit yet :) And as for your Someone had to do it your damn right :) I shall be opening up the site to other to submit stuff too maybe not public but if people wanted to join up drop me a mail -Original

Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 8:02:50 PM, Patrick wrote: In my experience IE doesn't resize ems consistently. I've come to use % for the base (on the html), then em (on the body) Eh? That makes no sense to me. Body is a child of html. -- Iain

Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Iain Harrison wrote: Sunday, November 14, 2004, 8:02:50 PM, Patrick wrote: In my experience IE doesn't resize ems consistently. I've come to use % for the base (on the html), then em (on the body) Eh? That makes no sense to me. Body is a child of html. I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is:

Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 8:28:45 PM, Patrick wrote: it seems that ems and percentages are interchangeable Indeed. Unless you define a unit, I think the base unit is 1em. -- Iain ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] International Pages Check

Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being

[WSG] Safari form problem

Hi Safari (1.2.4) has a problem with the layout of this form: http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/form.html All other tested browsers render it fine. Safari seemingly isn't clearing the textarea in the first fieldset, and is adding a huge amount of whitespace at the top of the second fieldset.

[WSG] Height in IE6

I have redesigned a header for a web page. Firefox 1.0 displays the HTML and CSS just what I am trying to achieve. However, IE6 ignores the height in #logowrapper {. Why? And how do I fix it? Thank you. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune

RE: [WSG] International Pages Check

Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would not always like to see their language associated with the flag of another country, there are other reasons for not using flags. If you want to specify Swiss German, vs Swiss French vs. Swiss Italian sites, you need a second level of choice

[WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

have redesigned a header for a web page. Firefox 1.0 displays the HTML and CSS just what I am trying to achieve. However, IE6 ignores the height in #logowrapper {. Why? And how do I fix it? Thank you. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm CSS:

Re[2]: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Barring browser weirdness for a brief utopian moment, is this the way it is supposed to work.? In order for any text to appear, someone somewhere has to have chosen a font face and size. So choosing to use relative rather than absolute units for font size moves where the decision occurs. If

Re[3]: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Sunday, November 14, 2004, 9:52:20 PM, Mary wrote: is this the way it is supposed to work.? That's my understanding of it, I think. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

Michael, Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written 76% or 0.76em. I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where) that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of a rendering difference in one of the browsers. -Hugh 5) I'd suggest

[WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall

There was a mention in Scott Parsons' very useful talk (Thursday's Sydney meeting) of the difficulty of validating pages when they were inside a firewall. I just thought I'd post that it's not impossible, and give you some links to help you install your own validator. I'm not a

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

have redesigned a header for a web page. Firefox 1.0 displays the HTML and CSS just what I am trying to achieve. However, IE6 ignores the height in #logowrapper {. Why? And how do I fix it? Thank you. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm I get a 404 error on this URL and can't

Re: [WSG] Safari form problem

you're floating the textarea: remove this declaration from the CSS: form#application div.row textarea cheers Terry On 2004-11-15 10:05 AM, Mike Brown wrote: Hi Safari (1.2.4) has a problem with the layout of this form: http://dev5.signify.co.nz/templates/form.html All other tested browsers render

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

Damian HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm I get a 404 error on this URL and can't guess the right page. Sorry. I should check my typing. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon

Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

Hugh, thanks for your suggestions. I'm sorry that in the rush yesterday I didn't thank you for your input. I've implemented all of your suggestions and I have a better site now as a result. Thanks I notice that on one page now that the fonts are smaller, the flow of text has resulted in some

Re: [WSG] Question to the others ...

Marilyn Langfeld wrote: Hi folks, My first post, since I've worked in print longer than web. In print, an em (and en) are mostly used to describe dashes (of the width of M and N) in a font. So they are appropriate to the task when used for that. They have been slightly redefined for the web

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

Damian HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/HNew/CRFHeader.htm I get a 404 error on this URL and can't guess the right page. Sorry. I should check my typing. HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm IE is not your only issue. Safari

[WSG] Faux columns not staying horizontal

Hello WSG. My website at http://mavos.net/ is messing with my head. Actually it's Internet Explorer that's messing with my head. The two columns marked with red and yellow for debugging purposes don't stay next to each other in Internet Explorer, but the right column falls down below the

Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex

Mary Krieger wrote: Barring browser weirdness for a brief utopian moment, is this the way it is supposed to work.? In order for any text to appear, someone somewhere has to have chosen a font face and size. So choosing to use relative rather than absolute units for font size moves where the

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

Damian I took out the min-height: out. Does that make any change? HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page:

Re: [WSG] Site Critique

Laurie Keith wrote: Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com Hi Laurie, Others have cracked down on the Flash thing, so I'll focus on some other issues. Basically, it's a clean, neat site,

[WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him, I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest greatest image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really): http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ I'm sure I'm not the first to use it,

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

Damian I took out the min-height: out. Does that make any change? HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm CSS: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRF_css1.css This now looks broken in Firefox (image smaller and too high) and the image doesn't display at all in Safari. You've also now

[WSG] Site Check

Hi All, Just launched a mini-site while the core is under redesign @ ckimedia.com, all insight is most welcome. C Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee

Re: [WSG] International Pages Check

Thanks Richard - we did have that trouble with Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese. Same flag - didn't really know how to differentiate them. Cheers! On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:22:18 -, Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would

[WSG] -moz-border-radius

Lindsay I note that you're using the proprietary -moz-border-radius to achieve a rounded look just like I decided to a month ago at www.bhatt.id.au after evaluating the various rounded corner methods and finding them to be a pain to implement I contend that while it does make the stylesheet

RE: [WSG] Faux columns not staying horizontal

G'day My website at http://mavos.net/ is messing with my head. ... right column falls down below the content. Any ideas why this is happening? It's driving me crazy. Looks like the IE Doubled Float-Margin Bug. As a result of the double (left) margin, there's not enough room for your #menu

Fw: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!

Just asmall point Mike but in the section Webcam you have a spelling error, teh instead of the. Cheers Maureen Beattie Hugh, thanks for your suggestions. I'm sorry that in the rush yesterday I didn't thank you for your input. I've implemented all of your suggestions and I have

Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

Lindsay Evans wrote: http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ You forgot to close the second comment. Fundamentally though, unless I'm missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get duplication (at least in Firefox) . The normal heading is rendered,

Re: Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)

I understand the sillyness of class names like 'red' 'blue' 'bold' 'fontname' etc, but what is wrong with assigning multiple class names to an object? For example, I have many images on a page, some need a border, others don't. Some with borders need to also be floated, while others don't. I

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

I'll often use padding to cater to browsers that ignore the min-height or height attribute. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:05:22 +1100, Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damian I took out the min-height: out. Does that make any change? HTML: http://www.choroideremia.org/New/CRFHeader.htm

Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:54:36 +, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You forgot to close the second comment. Ooops, thanks. Fixed now. The perils of copy n' paste :p Fundamentally though, unless I'm missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get duplication

Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall

On 15 Nov 2004, at 7:07 am, John Horner wrote: and here are specific instructions for installing it on Mac OSX from Apple http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html and some less formal advice from Mediaville http://www.mediaville.net/articles/validator/ That

Re: Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)

Hi Natalie I achieve this with using multiple classes on the object eg class=borders floatR or just class=floatR for those that don't need the border, but must float. Is there an issue with this method or have a missed the point of your post? I have used the exact method you describe, and I

Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Other than that, it installs as a breeze, and it is extremely useful to have on your local dev server, esp when you work with dynamic pages (includes, etc). On windows, for quick and dirty html-only validation, it's also worth looking at the Tidy extension for

Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:07:20 +1100, John Horner wrote: I just thought I'd post that it's not impossible, and give you some links to help you install your own validator. Does anyone have any equally useful links (Thanks, John!) on evaluating accessability inside a firewall? Everything I've

RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall

Another Firefox extension that has local validation tools (among many others) can be found here. http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ Does anyone have any equally useful links (Thanks, John!) on evaluating accessability inside a firewall? Everything I've found assumes the

Re: [WSG] -moz-border-radius

The stylesheet is not invalid, it just doesn't validate (expl.: the validator is stuck to CSS 2.0 while proprietary extensions are allowed in CSS 2.01). Neerav wrote: ... I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines

Re: [WSG] Height in IE6 for Windows

Natalie Thank you. I forgot about the padding property. I put in padding: 0; and I have what I am looking for. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation

Re: [WSG] -moz-border-radius

Neerav wrote: I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines of my CSS file, its use is harmless and is OK for personal sites. CSS3 has a similar attribute *, does anybody see the -moz-border-radius attribute causing

Re: [WSG] -moz-border-radius

On Mon, Nov 15, 2004 at 05:32:38AM +0100, Dejan Kozina wrote: The stylesheet is not invalid, it just doesn't validate (expl.: the validator is stuck to CSS 2.0 while proprietary extensions are allowed in CSS 2.01). Indeed, for further reading: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#q4

[WSG] Design template for CMS, any thougts?

Hi!I've been working on a template to use for a new version of our cms.The idea is that the HTML-code (core) will be allmost the same for all the customers. Changes to the design is to be done only in the stylesheet. (yes... like www.csszengarden.com :-)I think I've managed to get it close

Re: [WSG] Design template for CMS, any thougts?

Hi Ben The concept is a good one, glad to see you are running with it. I'd change some of your class/id names - example: column 1, column 2 - they may not be columns at all in the long run. Something like primary or secondary might suit? I wish I wrote clean enough markup so I didn't have to

Re: [WSG] Design template for CMS, any thougts?

I would really appreciate some quality feedback on this subject as the cms is suppose to be finished yesterday :-) The template is validated XHTML and CSS.   The link to the html (xhtml) is http://www.siteman.no/v4/web_bi/webdeal/ and the stylesheet is located at

RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:23:54 +1100, Paul Farrell wrote: Another Firefox extension that has local validation tools (among many others) can be found here. http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ No, no - not validation. Accessability. Things that are easy to check at eg.