Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
kvnmcwebn wrote: My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly? form name=nav select name=link onChange=location=document.nav.link.options[document.nav.link.selectedIndex ].value; value=GO option selectedChoose a Destination/option option

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
On 21 Nov 2005, at 3:14 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly? Simple answer: You can't. Don't use this method as a navigation device: 1. Search engines don't submit forms, and they don't use javascript, so this kind of navigation menu

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
Thanks for the replies -this is going to be tuff- Patrick--- the menu functionality relies completely on javascript. Unless you do provide some other form of navigation that links to those pages, you're effectively hiding your pages from search engines. The .net programmer could

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Charlie Bartlett
If you have to do it this way, and like everyone else I don't recommend it, then you could help the SEO by adding the pages in link tags to the head. see http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_link.asp for more info. Cheers Charlie web : http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WSG] jump menu method (Out of office until Nov 23)

2005-11-20 Thread Andy Neale
Hello, I am out of the office until Nov 23. I will have limited access to email so for any urgent queries please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] on (04) 474 3000 x8884. Thanks, Andy wsg 11/21/05 08:34 If you have to do it this way, and like everyone else I don't recommend it, then you could help

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
thanks charlie-thats interesting...so it looks like link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / link rel=" subsection" type="text/css" href="" / and so on might help. I

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
kvnmcwebn said: Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. Here was the simple method that i suggested.. http://mcmonagle.biz/dropdowns/ That is quite different from the original sample supplied and it *does* look the ideal

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net)
Heya- try to find some nice ajax drop down thingyee like moo.fx ( http://www.mad4milk.net/ ) cheers 2005/11/20, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kvnmcwebn said: Theres no way of breaking down the navigation into smaller chunks without creating a mystery meat situation. Here was the simple

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
Thanks for clarifiying Terrence-i should have made my example more accurate. The url shceme is query based, i saw a thread about that recently i will look it up. So-should i use the link attribute as Charlie said in addition to the redundant links? Or does the query based url throw a wrench in

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
kvnmcwebn said: So-should i use the link attribute as Charlie said in addition to the redundant links? Or does the query based url throw a wrench in the link attribute? yes same thing applies - some spiders discard anything after the ? to prevent endless loops and indexing session id's,

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread kvnmcwebn
will do- thanks again terrence ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
Sorry if this has been commented on in this forum: http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm 10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of the browser market. -- Terrence Wood ** The discussion list for

[WSG] Forms, data tables and screenreaders

2005-11-20 Thread Mike Brown
Hi I'm trying to recreate this visual look: http://testing.signify.co.nz/test.gif So, I'm thinking it's a form with two data tables inside the form. I've marked it up as such here: http://testing.signify.co.nz/test.html My limited understanding of screenreaders is that they have a mode for

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: kvnmcwebn wrote: My big concerns: how to make these jump menus standards and seo friendly? As others have mentioned, there are various usability issues. However, in these circumstances (insistent clients etc) we usually build the menu out of an unordered list then

Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Christian Montoya
Sorry if this has been commented on in this forum: http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm 10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of the browser market. Thanks for the link. I see 12 in laptops at school everyday, students who don't want to carry

Re: [WSG] Forms, data tables and screenreaders

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
The table is for layout purposes only, so don't mark it up in any special way. Add additional labels to email and company fields so they are asscociated with their form control. Personally, I'd redesign the form so I didn't need a table =) I'm guessing it's an uber-login form... by the look of

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Terrence Wood
Lachlan Hardy said: build the menu out of an unordered list then use Javascript to transform that into a dropdown list for those with JS. Consider it a 'white lie of web design' or call it 'progressive enhancement'. nice solution. kind regards Terrence Wood.

RE: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Herrod, Lisa
This is a great article Terrance, and while interesting from a design / technology perspective, I think the human side of this story is more important. I'm sure everyone who saw Doug Bowmans presentation at WE05 'Zooming out of the trenches' http://we05.com/podcast/ was incredibly moved by his

[WSG] web essentials 05 - molly holzschlag keynote SMIL

2005-11-20 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Apologies for cross-posting: following on from last year's short web essentials 04 - zeldman keynote captioned with quicktime SMIL http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/66/, this year I created a SMIL version of Molly Holzschlag's one hour keynote address The State of the Web 2005 for web

Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Christian Montoya
It would be great if we (WSG listers) could come together to work on a project like this - we all have such great contacts, it would be a very powerful thing to do. I've been wanting to do something like this for a long time, if you are interested too, please contact me. lisa Wait, what

[WSG] $100 laptop WAS: why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Well the idea of the $100 laptop is to 'work with developing nations' to provide low cost access to knowledge via the Internet. What I'm doing is putting this out to our community to see who is interested in being involved in a project like this. Naturally we would need to discuss exactly what it

Re: [WSG] $100 laptop WAS: why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/20/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the idea of the $100 laptop is to 'work with developing nations' to provide low cost access to knowledge via the Internet. What I'm doing is putting this out to our community to see who is interested in being involved in a project like

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Dejan Kozina
Just a quick correction to a previous message: searchbots DO submit HTML forms. Years ago I wrote a contact form (no javascript involved) with a PHP script sending mail to myself and didn't care to check if any user input was actually submitted, so now I know every time a bot passes by because

RE: [WSG] $100 laptop WAS: why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Herrod, Lisa
My concern for MIT's project is whether or not internet access will be managed by the governments in some of these countries. I agree this is an important consideration, but separate to this discussion. as you say: But regardless of this concern, there's definitely a need. Sharing information

Re: [WSG] $100 laptop WAS: why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Jonathan O'Donnell
On 21/11/2005, at 2:23 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: On 11/20/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the idea of the $100 laptop is to 'work with developing nations' to provide low cost access to knowledge via the Internet. What I'm doing is putting this out to our community to see

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Mark Stanton
You must have been using GET rather than POST.Spider's won't submit forms that us POST, but they have every right to follow forms that use GET. http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/04/24/deviant.html http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2005/05/06/This-Stuff-Matters -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd

Re: [WSG] Firefox :hover font-weight: bold

2005-11-20 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
The flicker disappears if you simply remove the bold from the hover state. Why not remove the weight change? No matter what, the weight change is gonna move things around, try enlarging the text to eyesight impaired size and see what I mean. Personally, I think the color change on the hover

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Just a thought, but if all the links are counties within a greater whole, why not use a happy map image map interface? Thats a-okay standards-wise, and degrades nicely into a list of links, and looks cute for visitors. Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Terrence Wood wrote: Lachlan Hardy

RE: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Herrod, Lisa
can you send a link to an example of one of these? thanks, lisa -Original Message- From: Joseph R. B. Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] jump menu method Just a thought, but if all the links are

Re: [WSG] ASP.NET XHTML compliant blogging

2005-11-20 Thread Ben Wong
I used to use .Text and hacked the code to output standards compliant code with moderate success. ASP.NET 1.1 wasn't inherently designed with standards in mind (2.0 has though), but there are a few articles floating around to fix that (e.g.,

[WSG] ASP.NET XHTML compliant blogging

2005-11-20 Thread Mark B
Hi All Does anyone know of any blogging software that's asp.net based that produces XHTML compliant code, or can be persuaded to do so without heaps of work? I've checked out dasblog, community server (AKA .text) and singleuserblog, and they all have errors in the dozens or hundreds on their

RE: [WSG] ASP.NET XHTML compliant blogging

2005-11-20 Thread Mark Baartse
I would love to use wordpress, but just can't for this project, their operations guys only support MS stuff, so gotta be asp.net. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Wong Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:15 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] RapidWeaver?

2005-11-20 Thread Jonathan O'Donnell
Hi Richard Thanks for your phone call. The Rapid Weaver software is at: http://realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/index.php It costs $40- (presumably US$). I didn't realise that, but it looks like the download is a demo version. If we like it, we can pay for it in January, maybe. I

Re: [WSG] $100 laptop WAS: why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-20 Thread Jonathan O'Donnell
On 21/11/2005, at 2:40 PM, Herrod, Lisa wrote: ... I worked in indonesia for a short time teaching basic internet skills to a very poor school for deaf children. if they can pick up HTML, (which, remember is in english) taught by someone with basic indonesian and little Indo sign language,

Re: [WSG] jump menu method

2005-11-20 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Herrod, Lisa wrote: can you send a link to an example of one of these? Try this one: http://www.business.vic.gov.au/ Hopefully, you'll forgive the lack of validation - not our implementation, although I'm sure it'll get there eventually Cheers Lachlan

[WSG] WordPress CSS - Content and Sidebar Squished In IE

2005-11-20 Thread Artemis
Holiday Greetings! This is my first post in here, even though I have been a member for while. I want to thank everyone for all of the wonderful knowledge they share (even if some of it goes way above my head lol). I am very new to CSS (I put the N in Newbie!), and I had followed a book on