And I'll add a bit:
Forms on Websites
Is there a good place that explains/makes available the coding
involved for putting simple forms on sites? My programming
knowledge
doesn't go beyond css, xhtml and using JavaScript nuggets, but I've
always wanted to be able to put contact forms on
Hi Lorenzo,
Firstly thanks for joining! You wrapped up one of the two continents we were
missing in our members. Only Antarctica to go now (I think?).
You could try looking at the document on
http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource135.cfm
Regards,
Peter
PS: While I'm at it a quick member
hiya,
I noticed that the
much publicized new qantas airline - http://www.jetstar.com/-
launchedtheirsite with a css layout.
I havent had a real
look at the code, but my question is more about class and id names. when you
have a pretty complicated site and you end up using some sort of
Title: RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology
Hi Tim,
thanks for yr kind words :)
I was going to send a note around to the list when we fixed a
few things up with it but just havent had time...
ok, so few points:
* yep, the new tech section is our first live site
Title: RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology
I'd certainly like to use them if you have no objections.
of course not, its an important message. gotta get it out there :)
we're going to try to put together a whats new about the design page on the site with some more
Good question Peter!
Absolutely. The metadata is about the page not the site and should be unique
(at least the title and description) for every page. Depends on how much
metadata you use.
This leads to a really deep discussion about metadata that we may have at
some point, but in the mean time
PS. Not all search engines read nor care about meta keywords
In fact, we believe that only one (not too significant) SE looks at them at
all and they would be far down the decision list there anyway as they are
perfect spambait for spamming the engines with incorrect metadata.
There is some
In looking for some other
stuff on W3, I stumbled across this pagehttp://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/
The DTD is
"-//W3C//DTD XHTML Basic 1.0//EN"
Anyone had anything to do
with this? I hadn't heard of it at all (maybe I'm ignorant and should spend more
time trawling the W3 site).
P
Jaime, this is not a CSS list so no apology required. You are definitely
on-topic.
Unless you want to tell your client to go all the way I suggest you tell
them that they are clutching for buzzwords by demanding XHTML 1.0 Strict (or
anything beyond XHTML 1.0 Transitional). If they continue to
Title: double quoting
Hi guys,
theres a CMS (content management system) I'm dealing with that is converting some double quotes to single quotes, so this...
div id=content
...becomes...
div id='content'
...when published.
this is on a XHTML transitional page.
Now, I'm a bit
Title: RE: [WSG] double quoting
James wrote:
So, as far as I can tell, single quotes
on your attribute values are perfectly
acceptable (for xhtml1).
Havent done any real testing in browsers,
but I'd say it is a non-issue.
nice! hey thanks for digging that up :) very
://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/benefits/
Peter: Hope to see the photos on the website soon!
As requested... a few snapshots:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event6.cfm
Thanks again everybody. Looking forward to the next WSG meeting.
-- tim
Next, to Melbourne on 8th March for our
So move your form out to surround an area that isn't pixel-perfect
critical.. the whole page if necessary..
P
From: Chris Stratford
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004
2:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG]
IE bug
Is that why when you close
Just thought you all may be interested in the WSG user base.
136 Australia
2 Austria
6 Belgium
8 Brazil
8 Canada
2 Denmark
1 Finland
1 France
8 Germany
1 Iceland
3 India
1 Indonesia
1 Iraq
4 Italy
1 Jordan
4 New Zealand
1 Norway
1 Peru
2 Philippines
1
problems as IE anyway.
Interested ...
Peter
I keep biting my tongue on this subject.
Let me state first... I have no particular love of IE. It's what the vast
majority of my audience uses and therefore it's my default browser. If
Mozilla or something else takes the market share, I'll change my default (as
I did when Netscape 4.x lost
Hi JG,
If you validate the page using the HTML validator, there is a link to check
the CSS as well and this parses the page to validate the CSS (easier than
validating all the CSS files individually if you have more than one and more
correct as it uses the parsing tree).
So go to:
I know I have my browser (IE 6 WinXP Pro) set to not cache
anything, but this method doesn't work for me. Over a second delay on rollover
and roll off with a blank space in the meantime. It makes no difference to a
_javascript_ preload at all. Much better code though so I'm not canning
it.
!
Thanks
Peter
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Title: RE: [WSG] CSS Rules - Naming Conventions
yeah I'm known to use
id=wrap
id=masthead
id=nav
id=sidebar
id=footer etc etc
all the time trying to keep the names non-specific to the layout (like id=lefthandnav) cause when/if it changes later to a horizontal nav across the top i'd feel a
Mark wrote:
creating an additional award is not going to make the main award events
stand up and go duh, we've been coming at this from the wrong angle.
I also feel that hall of shame type stuff is not a great solution either -
I'm seriously wondering what the right approach would be - I really
Stick with it David. Our time will come. The benefits of going through the
(hard) process of getting your standards codebank together far outweigh the
pain. Once you have it, you start with a base codeset and then, creating a
new site is a much easier process. Whether you pass the savings on to
Hi Chris,
You need to escape any with
amp;(even in URL query strings). Links to the relevant
files/validator results would help so we could see the code.
P
From: Chris Stratford
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004
1:01 PMTo: Web Standards
The other suggestion is to validate the CSS file(s)
separately at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.htmlrather
than parsing the xhtml for the linked files.
P
I have an
interesting problem here...i try and validate the CSS of my XHTML
website...and the CSS page says i
It's good practice to do it for (amp;) and (quot;) in the text all the
time (HTML or XHTML).
Also be aware of em-dashes, en-dashes, epsilons (...) and the curly
varieties of and ' (which I hate and always strip back to the plain text
version).
If it's your own blog software, make sure to
, how embarrassment!
But I'd rather stick with 3 dots (...) as I have seen this one break badly
in a search result or text browser or something, can't remember where now.
May just be a stubborn bad habit. Sorry if that worries Peter (UH) as well.
P
Hi Peter,
That really should happen on the server using whatever programming language
you're equipped with (ColdFusion, PHP, Perl, ASP etc.) It is possible to do
it from the client using JavaScript or simply submitting the form to an
email address but it's really dodgy and I strongly recommend
Title: RE: Opening pages in new windows... was Re: [WSG] XHTML (OT??)
p.s. I don't work for f2.com.au
i do :)
although before i look at the code behind that example (*preparing to grimace*) I'll let you know we have got a fair way to go with standards in general.
we are on it though.
We can probably shut this one down now folks. It's gotten way OT.
Browser set-up preferences isn't really on-topic at all.
New windows are a personal/professional preference rather than a standards
topic (though the conversation did start on-topic when related to target in
XHTML and the handy
Title: RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name]
Taco wrote:
my suggestion was to put nbsp; between
the tag, and then set its style to not
display so it does not take up any space,
something like a name=c44 class=anchor/a
If you set display:none on the links opera and mozilla wont
Netscape isn't tied to the OS like IE is on Windows, so it
isn't an issue. You can load any number of other browsers, but without the
aforementioned installations, you are generally stuck with one version of IE
unless you set up a dual-boot system.
P
From: Universal Head
Title: Message
Absolutely, one of the big ones in designing a CMS (or
blog)or making sure a static site is standards compliant (see http://www.webboy.net/presentation/validation.cfm)
Also all " in the text should really be quot; (and no
I really don't see the need for the curly varieties,
Title: RE: [WSG] What Causes Selection Problems In IE.
Russ wrote:
Here is a test page to show you. Check it with Win/IE6:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/css/try-and-highlight-me.htm
mmm, interesting, without wanting to sound like an IE fan ;-), I can select that text no problem using
Yes it's interesting but not a web standards discussion. Please reply to
this thread off list.
Peter
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in a separate list just on Content
Management (and yes this includes Dreamweaver as it is a valid tool to
manage content), please let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if we get more
than 10 interested participants, I'll set it up.
Regards,
Peter (ListDad
gone astray as well. So rather than bother with it any
further, it's done.
If you want to be on the CMS mailing list please send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subscribe cms (no quotes) in the BODY
of the message.
Regards,
Peter
Sent this message before 10am today, and it seems to have
gurus,
can anyone tell me
why this code...
-
style
type=text/cssli {display: inline}/style
ollisome
text/lilia little more text/lilianother
bit/lilieven a bit
more/li/ol
-
...drops the numbers
from the start of each list item as soon as you make the list run
horizontally?
I
In some Government organisations, Netscape 4 is still used as the default
browser generally to the use of the Netscape email client and because they
paid a site licence for corporate use (which is why Netscape had to bring
out an update to 4.7? last year). If one of these organisations is your
Title: RE: [WSG] big trouble...still!
Can someone please check again for me?
yep, its good to go,
it did crash my IE6 on Win2k before, but all is fine now.
pete
Hi
all,
I've got a simple
list of events with dates and am trying to keep it as a simple ordered list.
http://www.c41.com.au/test.htmlshows
my example with everything else stripped out. (the css is inline just for ease of creating the
example.)
I thought I had it
sorted until I
Title: RE: [WSG] ordered list for events
thanks everyone!
in response to a few of those questions:
Gary wrote:
I realise you have said you want to keep it as a simple ordered list - but
I am not sure of the reason why.
glory ;-)
nah, I guess I'm just getting a real kick out of
not
We are thinking about this, the problem is that many people have sigs with
their url in them and other people post links to sites with their questions.
If we automate the link stripping, we'll get those too.
I suggest (actually Russ did) we make sure we post the links in the
resources area so
Title: Small bug
Hi
Peter,
Much obliged y'all. Hey, and work in progress exhibited on this list is
confidential, right?
Members of
the list would adhere to this I'm sure, but remember that the list is publicly
archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org
It may be a good time to repost this from Russ on 5th July 2003:
repost
Peter and I have been (endlessly) discussing the pro's and cons of XHTML
over HTML4.01. We made the move from HTML4.01 transitional to XHTML 1.0
transitional mid last year, and while the transition was quick, we have been
Hi Nick,
Ah ok... so the type must be sent in the headers before the page is
even generated (i.e. by the web server). So how would the presence of
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1
/ or the xml prolog affect the process afterwards?
Presumably by then
they
Hi Adam,
To send the header, I believe it is cfcontent type=application/xhtml+xml
I use cfcontent type=text/xml for XML and RDF AGLS harvest control lists
and metadata. e.g.: http://gtconnect.webboy.net/meta/index.cfm (HCL) and
http://gtconnect.webboy.net/meta/metadata.cfm (metadata for other
Gulp! Yeah. Well by the time I've fixed all those I might
just have fixed
whatever the problem is.
Thanks Peter.
Cheers
Mike Kear
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Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2003 1:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sorting those issues out first as this will eliminate some of the
problems and make troubleshooting easier for others. A doctype is very
important as it affects how browsers render the page.
Regards,
Peter
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Title: FW: [WSG] Site Issues
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Hi Jonathon,
It has dynamic menus that you're not getting in Safari.
A good illustration of not testing (or caring about) cross platform
compatibility.
This is also a good time to point out that if you use these types of dynamic
menus, you must point the initial link to a meaningful address (a
If you force a user to save the file locally instead of
opening it in the manner in which their browser is set up to handle it you're
taking away their control of default behaviours. I really recommend against
this. Let the browser handle it. If they have only the Acrobat Reader,a
PDF
We must remember the origin of the Home Page. This was the page that your
old Unix shell account browser saved their bookmarks to (the two I used to
use were lynx and I believe the other was simply www). This page was (by
default) the index document in your account directory
display the generated content.
Peter.
Moose wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone out there can point me to an article or
crib-sheet discussing the current support for generated content in
CSS2. Such as are discussed here
http://www.richinstyle.com/guides/generated2.html. I would like to use
Also FWIW (a good generic audience) take a look at the AM Online stats
breakdown of browsers and platforms for November 2003
http://www.amonline.net.au/website/reports/amonline/0311/index_08_b.htm
Regards,
Peter
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recommend against it.
I
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that the
user simply edits the text without having to know the entities.
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Peter (ListDad)
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