On 10/05/07, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is that the abbr is poorly supported by IE5 and IE6. This
means you may have to (1) revert to using the acronym element, or (2)
place a span inside your abbr element and style this instead or (3) use
JavaScript:
On Fri, 11 May 2007 09:54:47 -0600, Dan Dorman wrote:
On 5/11/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The OED seems pretty clear on the issue:
abbreviation, noun:
a shortened form of a word or phrase
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/abbreviation
acronym, noun:
a word formed from
On 12 May 2007, at 18:11:51, David Hucklesby wrote:
If the OED says it, I'll buy it. Thanks, Nick!
But be aware that common U.S. practice employs acronym for
initialisms[1].
I must agree with the Yanks that inititalism does not roll easily
off
the tongue!
[1]
On 11 May 2007, at 10:55:14, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Of course I cannot effectively support this by looking it up on the
web
because the lines on this have been blurred significantly over time
so the
dictionaries are of little help.
The OED seems pretty clear on the issue:
On 11 May 2007, at 09:56:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not 100% sure this is the case, but what a screen reader
_should_ do
is to _read_ an acronym and to _spell out_ an abreviation.
Even if
that is not yet the case, it seems likely in the future, assuming that
we all use the correct
Michael Brockington wrote:
I'm not 100% sure this is the case, but
what a screen reader _should_ do is to
_read_ an acronym and to _spell out_
an abreviation. Even if that is not yet
the case, it seems likely in the future,
assuming that we all use the correct
elements in the first
On 11 May 2007, at 13:10:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't see that this should be the case. For example, Ltd is a
common UK abbreviation for the word Limited in the context of a
Limited Liability Company, such as HyperGlobalMegaCorp Ltd.
Another example would be Mr,
On 5/11/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The OED seems pretty clear on the issue:
abbreviation, noun:
a shortened form of a word or phrase
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/abbreviation
acronym, noun:
a word formed from the initial letters of other words (e.g.
laser,
Craig.
Only the first occurrence on each page is advisable
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On 10/05/07, Craig Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just how extensive should our use of the acronym tag
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Just how extensive should our use of the acronym tag be?
For example, if I have a page devoted to explaining what a
Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is, should I tag MSA with the
acronym tag every single time it's mentioned?
Isn't it just an abbreviation
Quoting David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Isn't it just an abbreviation rather then an acronym? If not, how do you
pronounce it? Mesa?
Good question. We pronounce it M-S-A. Should I be using the
abbreviation tag?
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Only the first occurrence on each page is advisable
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Craig Bailey wrote:
Quoting David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Isn't it just an abbreviation rather then an acronym? If not, how do you
pronounce it? Mesa?
Good question. We pronounce it M-S-A. Should I be using the
abbreviation tag?
no. msa is an acronym just like ms is an acronym for
On 10 May 2007, at 15:46:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since most web pages are skimmed rather than being read in a
traditional, linear fashion, it makes sense to use the full tag and
attributes on every occasion.
The traditional, print-based method was to only expand the
abbreviation/acronym on
be impossible.
Regards,
Mike
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On the other hand, screen-readers are generally configured
On 10 May 2007, at 16:10:55, Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
On the other hand, screen-readers are generally configured by
default to always read out the expansion of text marked up as an
abbreviation (that is, the contents of the title attribute), so
using abbr (or the non-standard acronym)
From: Craig Bailey
For example, if I have a page devoted to explaining what a Metropolitan
Statistical Area (MSA) is, should I tag MSA with the acronym tag every
single time it's mentioned?
I'd use the element (abbr) each time MSA appears in the document and would
expand the title on its
Hello Criag,
Just how extensive should our use of the acronym tag be?
Not very, IMO.
We have some food for thought for you at Accessites.
http://accessites.org/site/2007/02/dealing-with-acronyms-abbreviations/
Cheers.
Mike
On 10 May 2007, at 16:08:49, russ - maxdesign wrote:
Initialisms are subsets of abbreviations. So theoretically this
should be
marked up using the abbr element:
abbr title= Metropolitan Statistical AreaM.S.A./abbr
The problem is that the abbr is poorly supported by IE5 and IE6.
This
means
From: Nick Fitzsimons
On the other hand, screen-readers are generally configured by default to
always read out the expansion of text marked up as an abbreviation (that
is, the contents of the title attribute), so using abbr (or the
non-standard acronym) repeatedly will force users of such
Hi,
The first time you use the acronym on each page it should be should
accompanied with the full name. So this wouldn't need the acromym tag.
Further uses of the acronym should be enclosed in the acronym tag.
I usually use CSS to give it a dotted underline and change the cursor to a
question
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz
Then I think it is a screen-reader issue as I believe there is no point to
have this as default setting since documents are supposed to contain the
expansion in plain text already...
On 10 May 2007, at 16:55:01, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
From: Nick Fitzsimons
On the other hand, screen-readers are generally configured by
default to always read out the expansion of text marked up as an
abbreviation (that is, the contents of the title attribute), so
using abbr (or the
On 5/10/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(and its another initilism mislabelled as an acronym)
Actually, that's correct usage of acronym, in terms of both HTML
syntax and dictionary definition [1]. It just depends on how one
thinks of an acronym.
Incidentally, it it strikes me as
From: David Dorward
Then I think it is a screen-reader issue as I believe there is no point
to
have this as default setting since documents are supposed to contain the
expansion in plain text already...
Specify the expansion of each abbreviation or acronym in a document
where
it first
On 11/5/07 1:08 AM, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, technically this is not an acroynm or even a tag. :)
An acronym is defined as a WORD formed from the initial letters of a
multi-word name. The important point here is that an acronym must be a WORD
- this means that the
On 5/10/07, Kevin Futter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ is indeed absolutely correct. These terms are confused all the time,
and while colloquial use might have become blurred in recent years, their
technical definitions have not.
I'm genuinely interested in seeing some references on the proper
On 11/5/07 10:23 AM, Dan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/10/07, Kevin Futter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ is indeed absolutely correct. These terms are confused all the time,
and while colloquial use might have become blurred in recent years, their
technical definitions have not.
I'm
Oh, and I'd vote for just the first instance on each page - as others have
suggested.
I've been thinking about this, and I think that each time the
abbreviation is mentioned it should be marked up. That is the only way
to get across your specialised aural styles. Unless screen-readers
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