On Jul 13, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nick Cowie wrote:
I think that everybody has missed the original point of Marvin's post.
Marvin was looking for help in completing his visual design units
in his web design course, as Marvin is visually impaired and is
trying to build websites for sighted
i m sorry,lll be right back
2007/7/12, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OK, this is not pointed at any one person...
Lets get this thread back on topic and into more helpful, positive dialog
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Otherwise the thread will be closed and you will all have to go to your
rooms without
tomorrow see you !!bye solange
2007/7/13, Maria Solange Siebra Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i m sorry,lll be right back
2007/7/12, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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tomorrow see later !!bye solange
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If you are interested in being and all-rounder, don't let anyone scare
you away from it. I'm an all-rounder (designer/developer I
tomorrow see you later!!bye!solange
2007/7/12, Bruce Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Graphic Design vs Web Design - the keyword here is design, both
processes use the principles of design to solve a problem. We all use
repetition, balance, emphasis to create a product suitable to our
I think that everybody has missed the original point of Marvin's post.
Marvin was looking for help in completing his visual design units in his web
design course, as Marvin is visually impaired and is trying to build
websites for sighted people using a screen reader. And you thought is was
hard
If you are interested in being and all-rounder, don't let anyone scare
you away from it. I'm an all-rounder (designer/developer I would
call it), a one-man company. On my sites I do all the planning,
information layout, designing and coding - everything. (X)HTML, CSS,
javascript, PHP,
Yes, but that's still graphic design of the appearance of Websites, NOT
Website Design.
It's not designing the dynamic structure, usability and accessibility
(using Web standards) essential for good Website design which will hold
across different platforms/browsers in which the user has control
yes I agree.
Graphic design and Web (Graphic) design are different, similar concepts
but different.
what works on print does not always work on web
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/07/2007 2:48:57 pm
Yes, but that's still graphic design of the appearance of Websites,
NOT
Website Design.
It's not
All Rounders are good, im one myself aswell, but dont expect to jump in
and become good at everything, thats what im saying. And also, being
an All Rounder is not a good thing sometime's, the main reason being that
jobs
wont be completed as quick as a team of developers could do it, ive lost a
On 7/12/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but that's still graphic design of the appearance of Websites, NOT
Website Design.
No, it's Graphic Design, Not Graphic Design of the Appearance of
Websites. Qualifying it in such a way confuses matters, and is
terribly innaccurate.
Yes, I was replying the definition of graphic design that you gave.
I quote:
*Most* of this Graphic Designer's time should be spent with pencils and
paper, and not in Photoshop or Illustrator. A great deal of time
evaluating the problem at hand, and iteratively simplifying the solution.
This is
Breton Slivka wrote:
I explicitly said that graphic
design is *Not* about the visual, or aesthetic appearance.
Graphic design is an integrally visual craft. I cannot conceive of it in
any other medium, unless you're saying its real focus is your college
lectures (it gets even better than
OK, this is not pointed at any one person...
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Otherwise the thread will be closed and you will all have to go to your
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Russ
(with wooden spoon!)
If people are as severly misguided as you
This issue really pushes my buttons, I will admit. I had my rant (my initial
post), and I naively believed that would be pretty much the end of it. I
forgot that I push buttons when I'm ranting. I've even provided an out in my
last post inviting people to continue this conversation off list. That
Graphic Design vs Web Design - the keyword here is design, both
processes use the principles of design to solve a problem. We all use
repetition, balance, emphasis to create a product suitable to our
clients/overlords/users. let's not get hung up on the media.
There's no doubt in my mind a
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On Jul 11, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote:
..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a Graphic Designer
(or worse, mislabeled Web Designer) that looked for anything but
Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing about
BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed.
In my experience,
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get to a point of not saying
anything then.
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Russ maybe there is a way to filter the incoming post that is thread
closed' from being delivered as soon as the moderator(s) announced it?
So that it saves everyone frustration and irritation? :)
tee
On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:07 AM, russ - maxdesign wrote:
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Here are some helpful links:
Color Design:
http://www.sessions.edu/career_center/design_tools/color_calculator/index.asp
and
Color Theory: http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/color-theory-basics.html
Sample CSS Page Design Layouts for understanding how templates layout
Hi Marvin,
It sounds like your trying to do to much to soon.
First, lets understand the different aspects of web development.
1) Web Design - This involves understanding colors, extensive knowledge in
graphics
applications such as photoshop, illustrator or fireworks.
2) Front End - This is
Not that this will necessarily address Marvin's issues, but I just
couldn't let it go by :-)
First, lets understand the different aspects of web development.
1) Web Design - This involves understanding colors, extensive knowledge
in graphics applications such as photoshop, illustrator or
Yep and i would totally agree, but try telling that to marvin and youll
confuse
the poor guy, i was keeping things very simple for him/her.
From past knowledge, if your to add jargon (which it is to marvin here) you
would do more damage then good at this stage.
But yep Hassan is right. This
On 12/07/07, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep and i would totally agree, but try telling that to marvin and youll
confuse
the poor guy, i was keeping things very simple for him/her.
From past knowledge, if your to add jargon (which it is to marvin here)
you
would do more damage then
On 7/12/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not that this will necessarily address Marvin's issues, but I just
couldn't let it go by :-)
First, lets understand the different aspects of web development.
1) Web Design - This involves understanding colors, extensive knowledge
in
I'm currently doing the same course as
Marvin (different stage and campus) and I don't think its a hinderance
to be exposed to all sides of web development. I don't think they want
us (students) to become all-rounders but to at least develop
fundamental basics so if we are interested (eg.
Hi
This is true, the C4 course in Web Technology or whatever it is called now
at TAFE NSW aims to give everyone a grounding knowledge in the fundementals
of well, web technology. This includes graphic design, database design,
server side coding, project management and many others.
Some people
Breton Slivka wrote:
Argghh no! the ignorance! Just stop going about thinking you know what
you're talking about when it comes to Graphic Design! Graphic Design
isn't Make it Purdy, Graphic design isn't Learn how to use
photoshop. It's exactly that perception that leads to awful website
James Ellis wrote:
Hi
This is true, the C4 course in Web Technology or whatever it is called
now at TAFE NSW aims to give everyone a grounding knowledge in the
fundementals of well, web technology. This includes graphic design,
database design, server side coding, project management and many
On 7/12/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
, you are wrong about graphic design.
..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a Graphic Designer
(or worse, mislabeled Web Designer) that looked for anything but
Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing about
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