[WSG] WordPress CSS - Links In Sidebar Too Far Apart
One thing left to fix before I'm done with this theme. I dunno how I managed this, but the links in the sidebar are too far apart. Even though I added the display:inline CSS to all the places with a float, whatever else I did has messed that up too, so now the content and sidebar are squished together again in IE. I think that once this problem gets fixed with the links in the sidebar being too far apart, the other problem will go away. I've been working on this for hours and am cross-eyed from looking at the CSS. I cannot find my mistake lol. Any help would be greatly appreciated! My WordPress test site is here http://www.subliminalconfusion.net/wordpress/ If you're not using the Firefox Web Developer extension, you can find my CSS here http://subliminalconfusion.net/wordpress/wp-content/themes/KubricksDeLite/style.css Many thanks once again, Artemis ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book
Hey Folks! I really need a good book that handles JavaScript and DOM. Something that works both as learning and reference book for a intermediete script/web programmer. All recomendations are welcome! Please include ISBN and title if possible. Please mail private since this is off topic. Thanks in advance! Best regards Jörgen Nilsson E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WordPress CSS - Links In Sidebar Too Far Apart
Artemis wrote:
I dunno how I managed this, but the links in the sidebar are too far
apart.
http://www.subliminalconfusion.net/wordpress/
Add:
#sidebar ul li {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
...or some other suitable values.
Georg
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Re: [WSG] WordPress CSS - Links In Sidebar Too Far Apart
Georg,
Thank you so much! It also fixed the other problem :)
Now the theme is finished, and I can go to bed lol.
Have a wonderful week,
Artemis
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From: Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re:[WSG] WordPress CSS - Links In Sidebar Too Far Apart
Date: 11/22/2005 04:31
Artemis wrote:
I dunno how I managed this, but the links in the sidebar are too far
apart.
http://www.subliminalconfusion.net/wordpress/
Add:
#sidebar ul li {margin: 0; padding: 0;}
...or some other suitable values.
Georg
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RE: [WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book
I would recommend starting with Domscripting by Jeremy Keith. Then, follow with DHTML Utopia, I don't remember the author of DHTML Utopia. Jeremy has the ability to make scripting understandable to a visual designer. DHTML Utopia goes more in-depth but can be hard to read for a beginner. I had to re-read sections several times. Ted www.tdrake.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jörgen Nilsson Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book Hey Folks! I really need a good book that handles JavaScript and DOM. Something that works both as learning and reference book for a intermediete script/web programmer. All recomendations are welcome! Please include ISBN and title if possible. Please mail private since this is off topic. Thanks in advance! Best regards Jörgen Nilsson E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book
Dnia wtorek, 22 listopada 2005 17:50, Ted Drake napisał: I would recommend starting with Domscripting by Jeremy Keith. Then, follow with DHTML Utopia, I don't remember the author of DHTML Utopia. it's could be interesting too: Ajax in Action by Dave Crane and Eric Pascarello with Darren James Publisher: Manning Publications ISBN 1-932394-61-3, Softbound, 680 pages -- Dr. Jekyll had something to Hyde. -- *.gtf ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] OT - Understanding the Website Flow
On one of the lists I belong to, someone posted a link to an article about When Graphic Designers become Web Designers or Understanding the Website Flow or something like that. If I could remember, I could probably find it in the search a lot better. And it may not even been this group that I saw it on as well. But I am looking for some really good articles to pass along to some graphic designers I work with within our company so they can read up on CSS, website flow and how to design for it. -- Thanks! Jeff http://www.patandjeff.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] OT - Understanding the Website Flow
-they could do an introductory tutorial or two. This one is good though maybe its not exactly what your looking for. http://joshuaink.com/blog/196/a-simple-guide-to-3-column-layouts ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Bi-directional text
Hi Mordechai, Andrew already offered you some good advice. I absolutely agree that you shouldn't use graphics for the Hebrew text. Most major browsers support bidi text quite well these days (though I can't vouch for user agents on mobile devices). Since it seems you will generally be dealing with Hebrew text embedded inline in English text, I would suggest you read What you need to know about the bidi algorithm and inline markup http://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/ to understand the ins and outs of this. I can't think of anything you need to add to the head element in this case. Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida Internationalization Lead W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ http://www.w3.org/International/ http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller Sent: 17 November 2005 11:06 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Bi-directional text I need to mark-up a document (XHTML) written in English, but which includes some Hebrew words. I'm trying to decide the following: 1. How should the words be marked-up: span, dfn, or just leave them in the flow? 2. Is the bdo element needed, or just the dir attribute? 3. How should the transliteration and translation be included: title attribute or following in the flow? 4. How's the browser support for bidi? 5. What should be included in the head element? Thanks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch
Thanks, Susan, for pointing to that stuff. Paul, you if you're using Apache you may also find this particularly useful: Setting 'charset' information in .htaccess http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-htaccess-charset That would allow you to continue using utf-8, which I think is a good move. Also, you may find the following useful wrt using character references: Using character entities and NCRs http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-escapes Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida Internationalization Lead W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ http://www.w3.org/International/ http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susanne Jäger Sent: 10 November 2005 12:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch Paul Collins wrote, On 10.11.2005 12:44: I thought this was the correct way to add special characters for XHTML, but what I am reading now seems to contradict this. This is the part of standards where I get a bit confused. Does anyone have any advice or know of some good articles where they explain this in simple terms?? Have a look at the material in W3Cs internationalization-Section W3C I18N Topic Index http://www.w3.org/International/resource-index.html#charset I like the Tutorial: Character sets encodings in XHTML, HTML and CSS http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-char-enc/# choosing At least they try to explain the rather complicated stuff for everyone. ;-) HTH Susanne -- http://sujag.de - Webentwicklung und -beratung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lottumstr. 22, 10119 Berlin, Tel: 030 - 440 483 47 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book
On 11/22/2005 9:50 AM Ted Drake wrote: I would recommend starting with Domscripting by Jeremy Keith. Then, follow with DHTML Utopia, I don't remember the author of DHTML Utopia. +1 for the Keith book, but be aware many of the examples don't work in Mozilla browsers, I believe because they lack full support for setAttribute. Or at least that was my experience--when I played around using Opera it was much more fun. -- Steve Clason Web Design and Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] OT - Understanding the Website Flow
Excuse the spelling mistakes in it, I should really proof it a bit better, some of it could do with a bit of a rewriting too: http://www.geminidevelopment.com.au/html/article_printtoweb.php kvnmcwebn wrote: -they could do an introductory tutorial or two. This one is good though maybe its not exactly what your looking for. http://joshuaink.com/blog/196/a-simple-guide-to-3-column-layouts ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Lloyd wrote: Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ This would be my recommendation too. Unlike most technical authors Joe writes authoritatively and clearly, he doesn't take the WAI as sacrosanct, and your students will laugh their asses off at the book's cover. The good students, anyway. ps. The entire book isn't available online, just the meat of it. .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year?
I know it's early but... Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg meetings?) Cheers, C a d e W h i t b o u r n Web Designer - Web Projects and Business Development Australian Stock Exchange www.asx.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year?
Cade Whitbourn wrote: Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg meetings?) Webstock http://www.webstock.org.nz/ Hey, it's in a capital city :) Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year?
Webstock in May 2006 is hosted at a capital city--Wellington--and you guys probably treat NZ as a state :P Its going to be absolutely amazing -- Check out http://www.Webstock.org.nz Siggy -- Cade Whitbourn wrote: I know it's early but... Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg meetings?) Cheers, C a d e W h i t b o u r n Web Designer - Web Projects and Business Development Australian Stock Exchange www.asx.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year?
Someone once told me that New Zealand was a country, and not a state of Australia. I didn't believe them - I mean, we made Lord of the Rings and Russell Crowe, didn't we? :) Cheers, Miles. http://www.port80.asn.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sigurd Magnusson Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year? Webstock in May 2006 is hosted at a capital city--Wellington--and you guys probably treat NZ as a state :P Its going to be absolutely amazing -- Check out http://www.Webstock.org.nz Siggy -- Cade Whitbourn wrote: I know it's early but... Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg meetings?) Cheers, C a d e W h i t b o u r n Web Designer - Web Projects and Business Development Australian Stock Exchange www.asx.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Ted, I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline styles in the second assignment). Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Lloyd, can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into the present... -Original Message- From: Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Ted, I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline styles in the second assignment). Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next yea r?
No, you're thinking of the finn brothers and 'the piano' -Original Message- From: Miles Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year? Someone once told me that New Zealand was a country, and not a state of Australia. I didn't believe them - I mean, we made Lord of the Rings and Russell Crowe, didn't we? :) Cheers, Miles. http://www.port80.asn.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sigurd Magnusson Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year? Webstock in May 2006 is hosted at a capital city--Wellington--and you guys probably treat NZ as a state :P Its going to be absolutely amazing -- Check out http://www.Webstock.org.nz Siggy -- Cade Whitbourn wrote: I know it's early but... Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg meetings?) Cheers, C a d e W h i t b o u r n Web Designer - Web Projects and Business Development Australian Stock Exchange www.asx.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd So sorry to hear that... I am fortunate enough to go to a school where that dream is a reality, so at least it's possible. Only wish more professors taught like mine. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
The course/major is Internet Computer, a BSc. The unit was run in first semester of this year (2005). I would prefer not to mention the name of the Uni to the list but feel free to add me to MSN ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ICQ (18618174) and I will discuss it with you or anyone else who is interested. I must say that, to the absolute credit of the lecturer, they have adopted a new xHTML text book for next year, I believe largely due to my feedback. The lecturer, who I met with out of class several times, was largely unaware of the powers of CSS but a visit to pages like CSS Zen Garden really opened her eyes. They were aware of W3C and there was limited discussions about things such as colour blind users and a slide or two about things like screen readers. About a month ago I got an email, out of the blue, to visit her office. She thanked me for our conversations during the year and told me that the unit had adopted an xHTML text book for next year! Then she gave me a brand new copy of the new text book which must be worth over $100! At the end of the day if I had done that unit without my prior knowledge and experience I would never of known of the problems. I would not of said anything and things may not of changed. Lloyd On 11/23/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into the present... -Original Message- From: Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Ted, I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline styles in the second assignment). Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See
[WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1
Hi All - I'm putting together a template for a contents list page for the National Library of Australia's online pictures delivery system. We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so will be chunked into a set per page. There are two solutions... the first, for example: ol start=40 li divtext info in here/div /li ... or, the second: ol li divnumber inserted in here from our digital content management system/div divtext info in here/div /li ... While the first would be more elegant, start is now a depricated attribute. What do people suggest? Thanks Somaya _ Somaya Langley Digital Preservations Officer / Web Audio Analyst National Library of Australia Parkes Place Canberra ACT 2600 ph +61 2 6262 1366 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.musicaustralia.org http://www.nla.gov.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1
Ah, if only browsers had seen fit to support markers as defined in CSS 2.0... This is a sticky one. I have to admit I'd probably go for something like this: dl dt40/dt ddtext info in here/dd ... /dl You lose the semantics of an ordered list, but you get to be valid Strict and you don't have to include the numbers in your list item contents. If this isn't acceptable, I'd use your second proposed solution, but try to choose better tags for your number and list item content (e.g., a hX tag for the number, and paragraphs for the content). -- Kevin Yank Technical Director SitePoint Pty. Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.sitepoint.com/ p: +61 3 9419-5200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Somaya Langley Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 4:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1 Hi All - I'm putting together a template for a contents list page for the National Library of Australia's online pictures delivery system. We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so will be chunked into a set per page. There are two solutions... the first, for example: ol start=40 li divtext info in here/div /li ... or, the second: ol li divnumber inserted in here from our digital content management system/div divtext info in here/div /li ... While the first would be more elegant, start is now a depricated attribute. What do people suggest? Thanks Somaya _ Somaya Langley Digital Preservations Officer / Web Audio Analyst National Library of Australia Parkes Place Canberra ACT 2600 ph +61 2 6262 1366 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.musicaustralia.org http://www.nla.gov.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1
G'day We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so will be chunked into a set per page. ... What do people suggest? Use a transitional DTD (whether XHTML or HTML) so you can use the start attribute while keeping the document valid. Using divs to insert the numbers is IMO worse than using a (for transitional DTDs) valid, though deprecated attribute. In theory, you could use counters in CSS, but as far as I know very few browsers actually support it at this point in time. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
On 11/22/05 4:42 PM Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ Does that comprise the entire book, then? Thanks Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
On 11/22/05 10:45 PM Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ Does that comprise the entire book, then? Never mind. There's a good explanation at the bottom of this page: http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/ Sorry for the list clutter. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1
I agree with Bert - use the start attribute and a transitional dtd. It's cleaner, more concise, and captures exactly the semantics of what you are doing. You don't need the div around the text info though. Of course you could always write out the first 39 empty list-items and hide them :) Geoff Pack Somaya Langley wrote: Hi All - I'm putting together a template for a contents list page for the National Library of Australia's online pictures delivery system. We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so will be chunked into a set per page. There are two solutions... the first, for example: ol start=40 li divtext info in here/div /li ... or, the second: ol li divnumber inserted in here from our digital content management system/div divtext info in here/div /li ... While the first would be more elegant, start is now a depricated attribute. What do people suggest? Thanks Somaya ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Horizontal CSS based Navigation
Title: Horizontal CSS based Navigation Can anyone point me in the right direction for a CSS based horizontal navigation using UL's and LI's, where the first Level of nav uses images!? Regards Jack Bennie This message, including any attached files, is intended solely for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and are not necessarily the views of WorkCover NSW.
