[WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Designer
Hi all, What is the current wisdom about the syntax of alt tags? I believe that if I have a decorative image I am supposed to put a blank tag. But I've also been told that the tag should be alt= , NOT alt=, because with no spaces (or one) the screen reader will announce 'blank' whereas with

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread nroper
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RE: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Mohamed Jama
Hey all, First of all isn't ALT an attribute not a TAG? 1. When should one use an empty tag? I don't think you should empty attribute to start with, its all noted down in your DTD if you open it up for example the strict.dtd and search through you'll find this paragraph !-- To avoid

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Tee G. Peng
Hi Bob, On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:42 AM, Designer wrote: What is the current wisdom about the syntax of alt tags? I believe that if I have a decorative image I am supposed to put a blank tag. If it's decorative image, why not make it to background image? This is most appropriate way to

Re: Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread nroper
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Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Jamie Stewart
Hi Bob, Excellent question and I am sure you are going to receive many different answers which may confuse the matter more!! From my point of view I would suggest any decorative images should be styled as CSS background images, granted this brings with it the issue of losing it's place within

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread David Dorward
On 11 Sep 2007, at 10:00, Mohamed Jama wrote: First of all isn't ALT an attribute not a TAG? Yes, it is. (but see Part 5 of NOT the comp.text.sgml FAQ http:// www.flightlab.com/~joe/sgml/faq-not.txt :) 1. When should one use an empty tag? I don't think you should empty attribute to

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is the current wisdom about the syntax of alt tags? I believe that if I have a decorative image I am supposed to put a blank tag. But I've also been told that the tag should be alt= , NOT alt=, because with no spaces (or one) the screen reader will

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/09/2007, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For hand-crafted pages, done by a web artisan... Is that what we're calling ourselves now? ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

RE: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
tag. But I've also been told that the tag should be alt= , NOT alt=, because with no spaces (or one) the screen reader will announce 'blank' whereas with two spaces it remains silent. David Dorward has already posted the definitive answer to your questions, so I won't repeat what he

RE: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Mohamed Jama
For hand-crafted pages, done by a web artisan... Is that what we're calling ourselves now? ;) Funny you mentioned it , I instantly googled it and checked if the domain was available too sounds cool. M. Jama big:interactive 91 Princedale Road Holland Park London W11 4NS Email:

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:16 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Quoting Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If it's decorative image, why not make it to background image? This is most appropriate way to handle it, and you don't need to worry about blank alt tag. Depending on the situation, it's not

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If it's decorative image, why not make it to background image? This is most appropriate way to handle it, and you don't need to worry about blank alt tag. Depending on the situation, it's not always possible to add images as non-repeating CSS. For

Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/09/2007, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For hand-crafted pages, done by a web artisan... Is that what we're calling ourselves now? ;) Yup :) Watch out for my opinion piece the artisan and the mass producer in next month's .net

RE: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tee G. Peng Hmmm, I didn't think about that. My clients asked me how to add *decorative* images by themselves, I asked are they any meaning/ purpose of those images, are they echo to your content, they said no I just wanted my page looks nice in certain area. I told them sorry you

[WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread John Horner
I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and often it's assumed that we're freelance too. As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target audience meaning e.g. that you're

Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Jermayn Parker
I am personally both!! I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between corporate and government/ school etc On 9/12/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that the web developer/designer is

RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Webb, KerryA
John asked: So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education sector? More importantly, how would you classify yourself g Kerry (ACT Government)

Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Yes I'm sure too that would be the norm. Jermayn Parker wrote: I am personally both!! I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between corporate and government/ school etc On 9/12/07, * John Horner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've

Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread JonMarc Wright
So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sectorand how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education sector? Interesting question. I for one am in both sectors. I am a technology consultant and I have various clients that have me employed handling their

RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi John, Thought I'd send this off-list to you: Commercial Sector: I build web-based tech documentation for the development division of an international logistics/supply chain company - Supergroup Trading Ltd in South Africa (can't wait to get outta here). Non-profit Sector: I produce gratis