[WSG] Css validation
Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Css validation
Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking some of these types like _ and * for IE versions. Those _ * will show errors when you validate, better option to use conditional comments Sundar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Sundar *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Css validation
I would say plug your code directly into the W3C CSS validator http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/#validate_by_input and delete the hacks. However i have used hacks before and found that they did still pass through the validator. Could there be errors in your hacks. Also, just as a note, errors could be highlighted in a validator as warnings and not so much actual errors. William Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Css validation
Ive use
#min-height:300px !important;
*html #mainContent{
behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important;
but cant get those validation..
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Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking
some of these types
like _ and * for IE versions.
Those _ * will show errors when you validate, better option to use
conditional comments
Sundar
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I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to
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Re: [WSG] Css validation
hi,
not sure what's going on in your CSS exactly.
but behavior is non-standard, it's a microsoft thing. with that png fix
I don't think you'll ever get it to validate but I could be wrong.
what's the hash (#) in front of min-height, is min-height an id? and
which element or selector is it applied to.
maybe we would have abetter idea of what's going on if you posted more
of the CSS
Fuji kusaka wrote:
Ive use
#min-height:300px !important;
*html #mainContent{
behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important;
but cant get those validation..
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Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably
thinking some of these types
like _ and * for IE versions.
Those _ * will show errors when you validate, better option to
use conditional comments
Sundar
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Re: [WSG] Css validation
Fuji kusaka wrote:
#min-height:300px !important;
This should be:
SomeSelector {min-height:300px !important;}
What SomeSelector is, some selector.
*html #mainContent{
You need a space between * and html
behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important;
This will never validated because it's IE only. You'll need to either
ignore this error or put it in a conditional comment.
Also, you're missing a closing brace (}).
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Re: [WSG] Css validation
I'm assuming most of the hacks are for IE? Why not just conditionally include them, i.e. unless the validator obeys IE policies, it won't even see the IE-specifi CSS. Dave Fuji kusaka wrote: Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Dave Lane = Egressive Ltd = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = m: +64 21 229 8147 p: +64 3 9633733 = Linux: it just tastes better = nosoftwarepatents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
Hi Patrick, i know thats the case with flash but what about the css/xhtml no flash content that validates when you use swf object 2.0 static method. If theres no flash support it degrades to normal xhtml navigation. A more specific question is if the majority of users are using the flash to navigate how will it impact seo? Patrick H. Lauke wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? without flash, no navigation; not crawled/indexed by search engines; not keyboard-accessible in firefox; even in other browsers, not accessible unless you make damn sure your flash itself is accessible; wouldn't work on devices like iPhone and co... more? P *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web standards with their CSS version. and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone. Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for presentation standards as well. I think it is their solution to controlling the user experience on handset side of things when someone accesses mobile web. Why don't they let the community sought it out? It seems now that if standards are to be effective in the mobile access space, there is now another hump to get an open standard. are they doing this for all sites on all types of phones or only changing it if the phone's browser can't handle the original format/doctype/css/etc The latter is nothing new... Google has been doing it for years for pages linked from mobile search results allowing even ancient phones to browse pages they would not otherwise be able to look at. (ie making them accessible!) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
On 25 Jun 2008, at 00:35, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? Assuming SWFObject 2 is like SWFObject 1 it writes your Flash file into a named Div. This div can (and should) hold alternative/falback content, which in this case should clearly be a fully-functioning html/ css navigation system. If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation javascript-dependant). If you don't provide a fallback then all the pitfalls that Patrick lists are, of course, applicable. And whether the SWFObject system plays nicely with all combinations of assistive technology is another issue, but one that I can't answer. I seem to recall reading that SWFObject 2 has an alternative method of implementation that doesn't require javascript (v1 only had the javascript option) but I've not toyed with it since version 1 so I can't confirm. -- Rick Lecoat www.sharkattack.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?
hi lynette, check out http://www.studiokdd.com/ the site still isn't finished under the hood, because i still need to add long descriptions. maybe your client could see that content with keywords can be tastefully done without clutter. remember, it's all about design! cheers, dwain On 6/24/08, Lynette Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to start a site that is going to be basically several image gallery site pages. My client is an artist. I asked for some text for the site but she doesn't want clutter. She asked: how does it work with key words I realise i have not included many. are they necessary these days and if so can they be incorporated to suit search engines without visually disturbing the presentation. She basically wants the website to look the same as the Power Point Presentation which is what I am working from. The problem is that what text there is - site title and subtitle, navigation menu names and individual painting titles- is in a very obscure font Andy that seems to be obsolete. A quick search of the web revealed it was used in several programmes late 80's/early 90's and doesn't seem to be available as a free download. I asked if I could change the font but apparently all her printed matter is in this particular font so she wants to use it on the website. I can use image replacement for the title but I would really like to use a standard font for the rest. I suppose I will have to rely on ALT text. Is there anything else I should consider? Thanks. Lyn Western Web Design Perth WA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
Rick Lecoat wrote: If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation javascript-dependant). Hi rick, Yes but do search engines count the times an xhtml link is clicked or when the page is loaded? For example: If there are two sites. one uses a swf object 2 swf for navigation like this: div id=swf_obeject_content ul class=navlist lia href... lia href... /ul /div One doesnt: div id=regurlar_div ul class=navlist lia href... lia href... /ul /div would google give the same ranking to both pages?? is it possible to be sure? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML with some enhancements thrown in by javascript? On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Jun 2008, at 00:35, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? Assuming SWFObject 2 is like SWFObject 1 it writes your Flash file into a named Div. This div can (and should) hold alternative/falback content, which in this case should clearly be a fully-functioning html/css navigation system. If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation javascript-dependant). If you don't provide a fallback then all the pitfalls that Patrick lists are, of course, applicable. And whether the SWFObject system plays nicely with all combinations of assistive technology is another issue, but one that I can't answer. I seem to recall reading that SWFObject 2 has an alternative method of implementation that doesn't require javascript (v1 only had the javascript option) but I've not toyed with it since version 1 so I can't confirm. -- Rick Lecoat www.sharkattack.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?
If the number of times the font is used per page isn't excessive, you could also resort to sIFR3 for font replacement. Check: http://novemberborn.net/sifr3 for more information. If you need help with this, you can contact me off-list. :) Gr. Matijs On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Lynette Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to start a site that is going to be basically several image gallery site pages. My client is an artist. I asked for some text for the site but she doesn't want clutter. She asked: how does it work with key words I realise i have not included many. are they necessary these days and if so can they be incorporated to suit search engines without visually disturbing the presentation. She basically wants the website to look the same as the Power Point Presentation which is what I am working from. The problem is that what text there is - site title and subtitle, navigation menu names and individual painting titles- is in a very obscure font Andy that seems to be obsolete. A quick search of the web revealed it was used in several programmes late 80's/early 90's and doesn't seem to be available as a free download. I asked if I could change the font but apparently all her printed matter is in this particular font so she wants to use it on the website. I can use image replacement for the title but I would really like to use a standard font for the rest. I suppose I will have to rely on ALT text. Is there anything else I should consider? Thanks. Lyn Western Web Design Perth WA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how many links are pointing to a page (either internally or externally), thereby measuring its 'popularity'. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Lecoat wrote: If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation javascript-dependant). Hi rick, Yes but do search engines count the times an xhtml link is clicked or when the page is loaded? For example: If there are two sites. one uses a swf object 2 swf for navigation like this: div id=swf_obeject_content ul class=navlist lia href... lia href... /ul /div One doesnt: div id=regurlar_div ul class=navlist lia href... lia href... /ul /div would google give the same ranking to both pages?? is it possible to be sure? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/scripts.html#edef-SCRIPT *Start tag: required, End tag: required* http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#prohibitions C.3. Element Minimization and Empty Element Content Given an empty instance of an element whose content model is not EMPTY (for example, an empty title or paragraph) do not use the minimized form (e.g. use p /p and not p /). or you don't like firefox loves standarts? 2008/6/24 Ken McInnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: G'day all, Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with Firefox 2 rendering. If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the validators will not pick it up as a problem - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head') Most browsers will render this OK, BUT Firefox 3 WILL NOT. It just renders the page with nothing on it. :-( All the pages that I detected this issue were xhtml 1.0 strict, without xml declarations, served up as 'text/html'. [ Do not have time to experiment at present - up to the eyebrows in marking. ] Just thought I would pass it on, as it is worth a quick search of your webpage coding to see if you have this issue. BTW, as a Uni lecturer in Internet Technologies / Web Development I have seen lots of html coding problems / validation problems when students do things like close 'img' or 'input' elements and validators do not pick it up - but have not detected any problems with the script element before. Browsers are usually to forgiving of sloppy code and will render just about anything, but this is an interesting change. regards Ken McInnes Adjuct Teaching Fellow Faculty of Information and Communication Technologies Swinburne University of Technology P O Box 218 Hawthorn, Victoria3122 Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
Thank you matijs thats what i was wondering, you make a good point about using javascript but im not an expert in using it. Matijs wrote: There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how many links are pointing to a page (either internally or externally), thereby measuring its 'popularity'. up.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
On 25 Jun 2008, at 11:49, Matijs wrote: Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML with some enhancements thrown in by javascript? Yes, I wasn't really advocating using Flash for navigation, just noting the options. HTML and javascript would be preferable, no doubt, especially since the visitor would probably need javascript turned on in order to use the SWFObject option anyway. -- Rick Lecoat www.sharkattack.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] flickr streams
any good standards based tutorials out there for adding them to regular xhtml pages? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flickr streams
Best one I've seen and used is at Veerle Pieters' blog: http://veerle.duoh.com/blog/comments/fickr_badge_w3c_valid/ Melissa Web Developer Graphic Designer www.technocolor.net On Jun 25, 2008, at 7:45 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: any good standards based tutorials out there for adding them to regular xhtml pages? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
Michael, My understanding is that they have different styles targeted for the different handsets and that is the other justification for carrying out such an exercise. William Michael MD wrote: I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web standards with their CSS version. and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone. Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for presentation standards as well. I think it is their solution to controlling the user experience on handset side of things when someone accesses mobile web. Why don't they let the community sought it out? It seems now that if standards are to be effective in the mobile access space, there is now another hump to get an open standard. are they doing this for all sites on all types of phones or only changing it if the phone's browser can't handle the original format/doctype/css/etc The latter is nothing new... Google has been doing it for years for pages linked from mobile search results allowing even ancient phones to browse pages they would not otherwise be able to look at. (ie making them accessible!) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
I know that there are a lot of free javascript libraries available for you to use without having to go to the extent of programming your own javascript features. things like dhtml goodies and scriptaculous, I'm sure the group has some other options but this is getting off topic now. a quick search would find a few for you. William kevin mcmonagle wrote: Thank you matijs thats what i was wondering, you make a good point about using javascript but im not an expert in using it. Matijs wrote: There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how many links are pointing to a page (either internally or externally), thereby measuring its 'popularity'. up.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flickr streams
Thanks thats just what i was looking for. Melissa wrote: Best one I've seen and used is at Veerle Pieters' blog: http://veerle.duoh.com/blog/comments/fickr_badge_w3c_valid/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael MD Sent: 25 June 2008 11:10 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web standards with their CSS version. and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone. Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for presentation standards as well. I think it is their solution to controlling the user experience on handset side of things when someone accesses mobile web. Why don't they let the community sought it out? It seems now that if standards are to be effective in the mobile access space, there is now another hump to get an open standard. are they doing this for all sites on all types of phones or only changing it if the phone's browser can't handle the original format/doctype/css/etc The latter is nothing new... Google has been doing it for years for pages linked from mobile search results allowing even ancient phones to browse pages they would not otherwise be able to look at. (ie making them accessible!) -- I believe that they are changing all types of phones. I have a sony ericcson k800i and it modifies the pages on that unless I go in the vodafone account settings and switch it off. It works fine without it! The Novarra proxy is over-riding the handheld stylesheet when I visit my website. This is because my site will deliver the standard stylesheet as it detects Novarra's user agent and not my mobile's. So it affects any site regardless if they are already mobile friendly! Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
