Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
It's ok to use a double in this case :) Cheers, Rae 2009/12/7 Frances de Waal > Hi there, > > May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics? > > In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do with > each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few occasions to use > breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it? I like your opinion. > > In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form > semantically, both were using a list in the form. To me that seems totally > unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be the reason > of doing it that way? > > InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for every > editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep saying that > extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I agree they have no > meaning semantically, but they do create extra code which is not neccessary > for the content. But then again, we don't talk about 100 divs here. So, > besides of best practice, is there any place where the extra divs may have > bad influence? > > Frances de Waal > www.waalweb.nl > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] G'day from Copenhagen!
Hi all, I've decided to stop whinging about the lack of action on Climate Change and do something about it! I am currently in Copenhagen for the Climate Change Summit (COP15), which you've probably been hearing about. There's a load of stuff going on behind the scenes that you won't get to see on the news, such as Klimaforum - a totally seperate people's forum, where anyone can attend. I've setup a Blog about these things, which I'll be updating dailly. http://climatechangestuff.com I'm no expert on this stuff and there is so much technical jargon out there; the point of this trip is to learn more. The focus of the Blog is to document what I'm finding out and make the issues easy to understand. Please take a look if you're interested in Climate Change & COP15. I don't want to annoy you with constant messaging if you're not though, so I've setup a Facebook page, if you subscribe here you can get updates: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cozza/18826599?v=wall Or, you can sign-up for email updates on the right hand column of the site. Or Twitter: http://twitter.com/cozzabags Cheers, and and all the best. Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Re: [WSG] G'day from Copenhagen!
There is no action because the data has been totally faked. Emails have been released proving the scientists promoting this fraud were making up the data as they were going along http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/cru_climate_hack/ But if you are so worried you can lower your carbon emissions by turning off your computer. Facebook leaves a carbon imprint. Turn off your air conditioning and heat too. I assume you are planning on living in Copenhagen for the rest of your life. Plane trips also leave a carbon footprint. You should only go anywhere by walking. Now if we can get back on topic please Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I've decided to stop whinging about the lack of action on Climate Change and do something about it! I am currently in Copenhagen for the Climate Change Summit (COP15), which you've probably been hearing about. There's a load of stuff going on behind the scenes that you won't get to see on the news, such as Klimaforum - a totally seperate people's forum, where anyone can attend. I've setup a Blog about these things, which I'll be updating dailly. http://climatechangestuff.com I'm no expert on this stuff and there is so much technical jargon out there; the point of this trip is to learn more. The focus of the Blog is to document what I'm finding out and make the issues easy to understand. Please take a look if you're interested in Climate Change & COP15. I don't want to annoy you with constant messaging if you're not though, so I've setup a Facebook page, if you subscribe here you can get updates: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cozza/18826599?v=wall Or, you can sign-up for email updates on the right hand column of the site. Or Twitter: http://twitter.com/cozzabags Cheers, and and all the best. Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED - OFF TOPIC Re: [WSG] G'day from Copenhagen!
Hi all I'm really sorry for that last email, I sent it to the wrong list. Please ignore it! Cheers Paul 2009/12/7 Lea de Groot > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > *** > > -- --- I'm at the Copenhagen COP15 Climate Change Summit Dec 4th-19th Check out my blog: http://climatechangestuff.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] 8 invites for Google Wave [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
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[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
Regarding how to present a poem, I've had to research this a few times and another option was to use definition lists. I hadn't discovered using the pre element. So I looked it up (below). It does seem like it could be a perfect solution... hmmm... THE PRE ELEMENT W3C info: Preformatted text: The PRE elementPreformats text with fixed- width font, preserves the given white-space and line-breaks, usually disables automatic word-wrapping. Used in the code examples on this page, for example: Like the BR element, though, the PRE element has been abused and used to force line breaks for text formatting when CSS and other elements can be used appropriately instead. Just like I mention about the BR element, use the PRE element judiciously. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
On 7 Dec 2009, at 22:03, Jen Strickland wrote: > Regarding how to present a poem, I've had to research this a few times and > another option was to use definition lists. I hadn't discovered using the > pre element. So I looked it up (below). It does seem like it could be a > perfect solution... hmmm... I'd limit it's use to situations where white space was really significant (for example, a text in a book I have lurking around is about snakes, and formatted in the shape of a snake). > THE PRE ELEMENT > W3C info: Preformatted text: The PRE elementPreformats text with fixed-width > font, preserves the given white-space and line-breaks, usually disables > automatic word-wrapping. Used in the code examples on this page, for example: > > is not an inline element, so you can't do this. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] character codes and accessibility
Hi Luc, >> As regards the question what does a screen reader do? I'm afraid I've no idea. >> >> I think this is best served with the image. One image in the CSS as >> opposed to multiple character codes in the HTML. > Yup, but a wanted to stray away from the tradional path ;-) > > What i was worried about is the way how screen readers would > interprete it. Apart from the extraneous code, it would come in handy > as font sizing let's those tiny images (in my case it's a bread crumb > trail) be tiny on bigger font sizes I went through this recently with ★ ☆ (stars). NVDA and JAWS ignored these HTML entities, so my guess is that they would ignore » This is to reply to your question though, not to say that I agree with your ;-) HTH -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
